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Hi everyone!
As the title suggests, I'm thinking about making the switch to Android I'm currently at windows mobile, on a HD2. It's a great phone but I can't help but feel that WinMo just doesn't make such a great mobile OS.
Custom ROM's do improve the experience and all, but still, it's WinMo.. So, I thought "Okay, I'll sell my HD2 and buy myself a Desire". At this time of writing, someone is willing to pay € 250 (keep in mind that this phone is almost a year old and has some scratches on the side).
€ 250 is okay, but I'm aiming for € 300
But, now I'm getting second thoughts.. Should I wait to switch to android? Or should I keep the HD2? The Desire seems pretty solid and futureproof...
I really don't know anymore.. And since it involves quite a lot of money, I thought I could use someone else's take on this
So XDA, what do you think is best?
Wait for something better than the desire, and in the mean time, use the android rom for the hd2
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Yeah, that's why I'm having second thoughts There are a lot rumored phones which should out somewhere around the holidays I guess.. But, is it worth the wait? Because the rumored dual core cpu seems kinda overkill.. And 1.2 GHz cpu's don't really seem to make much difference to me.
I mean, 1GHz is already a lot of horse power for a phone :O
Edit: In the world of gadgets and technology, something new and better is released daily, I could keep on waiting for something better?
It depends what you want from your phone. I've had the desire since probably about April, and whilst it was already an amazing phone, I rooted it yesterday because I didn't want to wait around for froyo update. Now what was a great phone is a Stellar phone!
But that's just me. As others have said, HTC are bringing some new phones out but hardware wise they're not too dissimilar to turf desire. If you want either a 4+ inch screen an 8meg camera, or a slide out keyboard, then wait for the desire HD or the Desire Z.
If these are not essential, a desire will be future proof for a least a year yet id say. But hey I'm no.expert
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It depends what you want from your phone. I've had the desire since probably about April, and whilst it was already an amazing phone, I rooted it yesterday because I didn't want to wait around for froyo update. Now what was a great phone is a Stellar phone!
But that's just me. As others have said, HTC are bringing some new phones out but hardware wise they're not too dissimilar to turf desire. If you want either a 4+ inch screen an 8meg camera, or a slide out keyboard, then wait for the desire HD or the Desire Z.
If these are not essential, a desire will be future proof for a least a year yet id say. But hey I'm no.expert
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I was kinda thinking the same thing Although I'm hoping to get by a little longer with such a phone, so that's why I want to make the right decision this time. I mean, the HD2 feels like a mistake.. It was and still is, a quite expensive phone so yeah..
En pff, a 4" screen is nice but I don't know.. It's probably going to be the same resolution? And the design of the Desire HD looks less attractive compared to the one of the HD2 or the Desire. Well, that's just my opinion
and oh, do you have any remarks on your Desire? Something that could've been done better or..?
I'd definitely make the switch. With the help of a friend, I was recently able to put Android (2.2) on my Acer L2R Geeksphone. Since then, I've just been addicted to the phone (mind you, my Tilt2 has got super specs in almost every single aspect than the Acer L2R).
Everything that wasn't available for me with Wm is now on Android. My Tilt2 has just been laying on the floor since I got Android on this device. Now I'm looking to get a Captivate.
I've been with Windows Mobile since PocketPC 2002 on my Toshiba e740. I liked the OS because it was hackable. Swap out components, make edits, and new features.
What I didn't like is the sluggishness.
Android on my Nexus One is amazing. Here are a few thoughts that I've come across. The trackball is better then an optical pad, but don't buy anything without either one of those. You could get by without it but the trackball has really been useful in games and emulaters. I'm not sure how the optical pad would suffice. I had a Samsung Epix with an optical sensor and 1 swipe was 1 direction. So gaming is out right there. Selecting text is a pain but better then nothing.
The larger screens may seems nice, but the same resolution things will start to look blocky/pixelized. My friend has an AT&T Captivate (Galaxy S) and the screen looks good. It is a bit too big for me. The bigness of the screen make the phone very thin. Which is a good/bad thing. The Galaxy S is sweet but it lacks a trackball/sensor that is very handy.
The Desire is basically the same as a Nexus One. If I could trade my Trackball for a few physical buttons... I wouldn't. The phone is responsive and fast enough to use the onscreen controls. Being able to hit the green send button to quickly bring up the dialpad would very sweet vs having to launch the dialer from my homescreen. Honestly I don't miss a physical button though.
Life is a trade off though:
Nexus One
Trackball is the best of the best if you want to do any kind of gaming.
Trackball Notifications is a treat, presenting 255 programmable different colors for various notifications.
I think they got the FM radio working on the Nexus One.
Software updates are glorious.
You can make the Nexus one look like the Desire (which is sexy)
Desire:
Physical buttons make it easy to bring up the dialer from anywhere to make a call. I've noticed on Android the End Key doesn't really do anything beside hang up a call. I guess some programs could remap those keys for other uses.
Optical sensor is middle grade. Makes gaming basically useless unless it is all touch controls. Given the quirky multitouch issues of the screen in the Desire/Nexus one, that is also limiting.
I think the Desire is sexy
Galaxy S
I'm not too sure about it yet. I recommended my friend by one, and he did. He complains about the battery being very very short (half a day on light use).
The screen has a blue/green hue. Very noticable.
The screen is easily visible in direct sunlight. Which is awesome.
No trackball/sensor. Ouch.
Hummingbird processor/GPU
Screen has a great multitouch screen. So multitouch gaming is easily possible.
Phone is so THIN that you could probably afford a thicker longer battery to make it last throughout the day.
My opinion... wait. If you want one now the Nexus will start to get Gingerbread probably starting in October (almost a month). Maybe try to find one second hand or cheap. Stay out of contract because some better phones with better processors will start coming out very soon.
The wait for a new phone like desire hd or desire z is not to long and will be a big difference. But no one would blame you if you jumped the gun, especially if you like the design better and feel 1 ghz is enough.
Yeah, the Nexus One has crossed my mind already.. but it's a bit more expensive than the Desire and it's kinda hard to order one and get it shipped right here to Belgium.
I don't know why, but Google doesn't ship to Belgium. It did to the Netherlands but, Google has stopped shipping Nexus' and right now, I don't find a webshop which has cheap shipping or even the Nexus One.
And concerning the Desire HD/Z, I don't think there'll be much difference, the Z will have a physical keyboard and the HD will have a huge screen, just like de HD2 does. But, I noticed that with the HD2, holding the phone can be problematic sometimes. Operating the device with one hand can be kinda tricky, you could easily drop the phone that way..And oh, the Desire HD is not likely to have a trackbaal/sensor And just like player911 says, it's something which is very handy! Most of the time when I have a Android device in my hand, I use the trackball/sensor to switch screens etc.
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http://htcpedia.com/news/995.html
(rumored spec's of the HTC HD, although I guess most of you already knew that )
Are there any more rumored Android devices? :O
One of the only things I would have improved on the desire would have been speed of the OS as it ran slightly slow at times. However now that I've upgraded to froyo I'm struggling to think of anything. The minor gripes I had before are mostly ironed out in froyo.
The biggest negative for The desire is the battery life, but this can be remedied in a # of different ways. I have a spare battery for instance. Also, froyo supposedly improves battery but I haven't run any tests personally.
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I'd wait for better and more powerful android devices as i can't see much difference or generation gap between the HD2 and Desire/Captivate etc.. HD2 is still a powerhouse device and it has great android rom ports. In addition, it looks like WM7 port will be available for HD2,too. So hd2 is also very flexible between different platforms.
Sems.
narcoustic said:
One of the only things I would have improved on the desire would have been speed of the OS as it ran slightly slow at times. However now that I've upgraded to froyo I'm struggling to think of anything. The minor gripes I had before are mostly ironed out in froyo.
The biggest negative for The desire is the battery life, but this can be remedied in a # of different ways. I have a spare battery for instance. Also, froyo supposedly improves battery but I haven't run any tests personally.
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Hmm, I've read about the battery life.. Is it really that bad? I mean, do you have troubles to get through the day with one charge?
Semseddin said:
I'd wait for better and more powerful android devices as i can't see much difference or generation gap between the HD2 and Desire/Captivate etc.. HD2 is still a powerhouse device and it has great android rom ports. In addition, it looks like WM7 port will be available for HD2,too. So hd2 is also very flexible between different platforms.
Sems.
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Good point. But the Android ports for the HD2 are nothing close to the real deal, it seems. No? And personally, I don't like WP7 at all.. Way to apple-ish for me. I want a phone which lets me do whatever I want to do with it. That's something which is not going to be possible with WP7 - unless it gets hacked, and it probably will, but still, I don't like it
Battery on desire will get you through about a day on a single charge (pre froyo) but its not drastically worse than other smart phones I don't think. I always charge my phone everyday anyway.
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I wouldn´t think on make the switch
My Leo is capable of having the best of both OS and still has same or even better specs than "newer" devices.
And now that WP7 is just around the corner, I´ll stay with WM/WP!
After owning an HD2 you won't to go back to anything with a smaller screen, i did and hated it, so bought a streak! So much better than the HTC in every department
Personally, I think 4" is the biggest screen size I find comfy. Anything bigger is a bit of a risk in the hand.
Ive had the Nexus one and the desire. ALthough near identical, I much appreciate the hard buttons as opposed t o the softkeys on the Nexus.
The Nexus Trackball acts funny after a few months of use (or did in my case) and the optical joystick on the desire randomly breaks with most CM based Roms. so
Btw HTC Sense has a pretty good text selection feature making it easy to deal w/o any sort of joystick/trackball.
I'd wait and get the next range of HTC phones or a samsung galaxy phone. Both will have huge android dev (galaxy coz they simply sold so many!) and HTC because the community has been built around HTC Devices.
The two biggest things on my Desire wish list include:
- better GPU not that I really play games , but hey! I would if I could!
- Multi touch issue (you wont notice it in the browser) but a lot of games are soooo frustrating because of the multi-touch bug
THe Nexus one had the following issues:
Power button has a mind of its own
hard to press soft keys
Bought a Galaxy S to review so will let you know what thats like. Im sure it'll have its quirks.
Hope this helped
Oz
Okay, I've got an HD2 fresh out of the box and running like a dream that someone wants to trade a samsung vibrant for. This HD2 runs froyo great and with a disabled G sensor I've got all the quirks out (minus the G sensor of course) I just wanted to see what you'd go with, sadly I know samsung hasnt been so good about keeping their phones updated and that is the one thing that makes me hesitant (okay not the one thing, the screen and processing power certainly help) and I'm just looking for opinions from other nerds
Keep the HD2. It runs Android pretty fast as well as Windows Mobile. Oh, and the HD2's Android port already has 2.2 with Flash support
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Keep the HD2. It runs Android pretty fast as well as Windows Mobile. Oh, and the HD2's Android port already has 2.2 with Flash support
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Hell yes!!!
I thought that too but I'm eligible for upgrade in 4 months so which would retain value better
I'm biased towards HTC so I'd say stick with the option to dual boot. But if you want a true Android experience then definitely try the Vibrant.
Btw I'm posting this from my HTC HD2 running darkstones froyo
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and I'm going it from shubcraft with the G-sensor disabled.
I just want to know which will retain value more since I am eligible for upgrade (to whatever the best phone is at that time) in 4 months and I want it to still be sellable, I'd do the vibrant but I know how iffy they are on their upgrades, I was a sad owner of a behold 2
ive used both and ive loved android from my g1 days! like a poster said above if you want the true android experience get the vibrant. its only a matter of time before roms start dropping. the screen is prettier then the hd2 and lets face it ... no matter what you do to windows mobile it still sucks! sorry guys !
get the vibrant !!!!
how is the screen prettier? I must ask I didnt know anything about that really... i just know it feels cheap and plasticky and none of the specs are as good as hd2 with android
i have the hd2 with android and i also have a vibrant. now before anything get says ive never been a fan of wm! in my opinion the vibrant is a better phone. if you want android get an android phone. not a phone with " windows mobile" then flash android on there! the samsung also has a higher resloution screen and it actually works in the sunlight. and the battery life on the hd2 is HORRENDOUS and thats being nice. i average about 10,000 texts a month and over 3000 minutes and the hd2 would crap out on me in 4 hours flat! im all for buying spare batteries and such and i really wish i could say i had a good experience with the hd2 but besides the big screen the phone serves as a good paper weight
but in what way is the HD2 worse than this as an android phone? theres the G sensor yeah but were like 4 steps away from calibrating that and defeating the issue and the hardware is quite obviously better...
Speaking strictly on hardware I think the HD2 is the winner. The Vibrant doesn't feel too well put together. The hardware was what made me get the HD2 over the Behold 2 and other phones being offered in April.
Software speaking I wish I'd never gotten the HD2. Maybe that's just my experience. But as soon as I saw that you could run Android from the HD2 the phone was new again. But right now while I want a true Android experience I'm gonna till Sept for the newest offerings rather than get the Samsung.
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so I guess the general consensus is the HD2, i mean with an HD2 running android it seems theres really no competition from my standpoint, I really dont see much longevity in the galaxy S series either, i mean they still havent updated to froyo...
z33dev33l said:
but in what way is the HD2 worse than this as an android phone? theres the G sensor yeah but were like 4 steps away from calibrating that and defeating the issue and the hardware is quite obviously better...
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OTHER than the horrendous battery life?
both run a 1ghz cpu i also thought i read the gpu was better on the vibrant as far as screen yea its.3 inches smaller but it has gorilla glass which is stronger than the hd2 and the hd2 is 480 X 800 WVGA where the vibrant is 480 x 800 Super AM-OLED battery life on the vibrant is great and is true android dont get me wrong hd2 is great but it depends on personal preference
They're both excellent phones. The HD2's screen is large and immersive, and with some tweaking and researching, HD2 would be near-perfect according to today's standards of phones. Samsung vibrant is just as good, but the screen isn't as large. However, the quality of the Vibrant's screen is amazing. Again, both great phones, definitely some of the best that T-Mobile has to offer right now.
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i have the hd2 with android and i also have a vibrant. now before anything get says ive never been a fan of wm! in my opinion the vibrant is a better phone. if you want android get an android phone. not a phone with " windows mobile" then flash android on there! the samsung also has a higher resloution screen and it actually works in the sunlight. and the battery life on the hd2 is HORRENDOUS and thats being nice. i average about 10,000 texts a month and over 3000 minutes and the hd2 would crap out on me in 4 hours flat! im all for buying spare batteries and such and i really wish i could say i had a good experience with the hd2 but besides the big screen the phone serves as a good paper weight
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They have the same 800x480 screen res. Battery life has gotten better with new builds, I'm averaging a solid 12 hrs of heavy use. The HD2 feels better, looks better and is made better than that ugly plastic samsung thing.
And also..last time I checked no one is trying to put winmo on their phone.... Get the vibrant! And you wouldn't get 12 hours out of any phone with heavy use! Stop your ****!
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Vibrant has a faster processor (Hummingbird > Snapdragon), more graphics power, better quality screen (Super AMOLED), and runs Android out of the box. I have an Epic 4G and coming from the regular AMOLED on my Samsung Moment I notice a HUGE difference. The Galaxy S screens are just amazing.
All Galaxy S phones (Vibrant, Captivate, Epic 4G, and Fascinate) will get FroYo by early October, and likely Gingerbread by March/April of next year.
If you want the extra .3 inches in screen real estate get the HD2, if you want the newer, more powerful device get the Vibrant.
Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
- Captivate seems to be somewhat buggy? With self shutdown problems, GPS can't lock and alarm won't pop up / go off ... little quirks.
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!
Motorola Atrix.
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number16 said:
Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
- Captivate seems to be somewhat buggy? With self shutdown problems, GPS can't lock and alarm won't pop up / go off ... little quirks.
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!
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what ever you do, if you want your phone to run the latest software, have a gps working, lagless UI, do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT BUY A SAMSUNG PHONE
get a desire or wait for the motorola atrix
If you do buy the Captivate, make sure you get the newest hardware build which is 1012 I believe?
Either way it has the gps, shutdown issues fixed.
I've never heard about the alarm issue.
I don't recommend samsung smartphones. worst manufacturer when it comes to upgrading latest android updates.
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Thanks guys ... from the sound of it, despite superior hardware the Captivate is pretty buggy and there are plenty of small little quirks? (I don't call occasional self power-down as "small" quick neither)
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Thanks guys ... from the sound of it, despite superior hardware the Captivate is pretty buggy and there are plenty of small little quirks? (I don't call occasional self power-down as "small" quick neither)
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Before you make a final decision, I suggest you ask this exact same question (if you havent already) on the HTC Desire forums and see what they say. Right now, many people on the captivate forums are frustrated with the lack of official updates, gps issues, shutdown issues, etc and will point out the negative aspects of this device. People who are frustrated tend to speak "louder" than people who are happy, its just human nature.
See what responses you get from the HTC Desire forums, research what people have been saying about it, go to the store and play with both, then make a decision.
I too am frustrated with the Captivate at times and even my girlfriends HTC Aria looks better and better.
gormander said:
Before you make a final decision, I suggest you ask this exact same question (if you havent already) on the HTC Desire forums and see what they say. Right now, many people on the captivate forums are frustrated with the lack of official updates, gps issues, shutdown issues, etc and will point out the negative aspects of this device. People who are frustrated tend to speak "louder" than people who are happy, its just human nature.
See what responses you get from the HTC Desire forums, research what people have been saying about it, go to the store and play with both, then make a decision.
I too am frustrated with the Captivate at times and even my girlfriends HTC Aria looks better and better.
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+1
But looks like the GPS and shutdown issues are fixed in newer captivates.
But wait for 2 months. Couple better phones are "currently" set to be released by end of first quarter.
Thanks! Yes, I do have a similar thread over at the Desire forum (nobody's posted to it yet ... either it means there's no serious issue or it's a phone people have kindda lost interest in? )
I do believe in general, htc phones are free of major problems. I'm on my 4th htc phone and I've been pretty happy with each of them ... except maybe the battery life.
It's just Galaxy S has a GREAT screen (I think it's the best screen available today, bar none) that I started considering it.
If you are planing on flashing roms I think the better hardware wins in the long run.
I agree I would check out the Moto forums sense some think the 1.2ghz Processor is worth moto putting in a locked bootloader so might be a long while till you see any roms for it if at all
I agree better hardware wins in the long run, and I do plan to flash with cooked ROMs ... that said, I do want a phone that's reasonably bug-free in the meantime. I don't know when Samsung can iron out its problems, and that also has an impact on cooked ROM's.
I think the new dual core processors are interesting, but my budget won't allow me to get one of the newest phones. I think given my budget, my best choices are the Desire and the Captivate.
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I agree better hardware wins in the long run, and I do plan to flash with cooked ROMs ... that said, I do want a phone that's reasonably bug-free in the meantime. I don't know when Samsung can iron out its problems, and that also has an impact on cooked ROM's.
I think the new dual core processors are interesting, but my budget won't allow me to get one of the newest phones. I think given my budget, my best choices are the Desire and the Captivate.
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To tell the truth the Desire HD is my next device unless HTC comes out with something before I get the cash together. When it comes to PPC I have learned that now that while hardware is great samsung just doesnt have the CS that I would like and Motorola tries everything they can to lock up the bootloader to prevent custom roms.
I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to flashing roms. I do work in IT though and love messing around with gadgets. I just want to say I love my captivate. The gps does take a while to lock, but once it locks it works fine. I have no shutdown issues. I'm running Perception 10.1 with the Firebird 2 kernel and it rocks. Videos do look crisp on this phone as well. I have no experience with the Desire, but I bought a refurb Captivate and I am very happy with it.
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Motorola Atrix.
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Not so fast, as much as i love the specs on the atrix looks like motorola will be locking the bootloader damn shame.
Just get the nexus S when it comes out. I have a captivate and have no problems with it, very fasy, great screen and best thing.... got all my iphone freinds jelous lol
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Vik_92_Sandhu said:
Just get the nexus S when it comes out. I have a captivate and have no problems with it, very fasy, great screen and best thing.... got all my iphone freinds jelous lol
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Isn't Nexus S already out since last November?
Love my Captivate
Well, i have the Captivate since October and I guess I have been one of the lucky ones because it works great for me. Shortly after I got the phone an update came out and fixed the GPS issue. I use it quite a lot and I have not rooted or updated the ROM a of yet. I have been waiting for Froyo as we all have but the phone does everything i want it to do and more.
I also came from the HTC world, my last phone was an HTC Fuze. I am so glad that I got this phone. Battery life is rather low but overall I just keep a charger around with me and in the car. My phone does a lot. I use it every other day as a GPS when I bike ride 5-10 miles a day. When in the car I stream music with either Pandora or Audiogalaxy. I send text and email messages regularly. Browse the Web and read my Kindle books as well as my Bible.
Just remember if you are going to use the phone a lot you are going to need to have the ability to charge it more often.
It is rather frustrating that AT&T has not released FROYO and that the battery life is not as good as some other phones but for me the pluses out way the minuses.
My brother owned an iPhone 4 an after seeing how my phone worked and looked he bought a Captivate for about $275. He was tired of the dropped calls and smaller screen and just overall functionality. He has been using the iPhone type phones for about 3 years. He has only had it for about 3 days and is loving it!!!
So whether you should buy the Captivate or not you really need to make the choice yourself. Every phone is going to have an issue one way or another. The question is can you live with those issues. Change is always hard and uncomfortable. But in the end you have to make that decision.
Someone suggested that you may want to hold off as the newer phones are on the horizon. That may not be a bad idea. In the end, remember, it is just a phone!!! Most of the heavy lifting is going to be done on your PC!!!
Good luck!!!
I'd say go captivate.
I have the i896 and the gps works perfectly, locks on in about ten seconds or less. I haven't had any problems with random shut downs or my alarm. As for the updates, as long as you are capable of rooting and installing custom roms you'll have 'updates' asap.
Regarding the screen it's absolutely no comparison; I'd say that's enough to buy the phone.
Again, there's no comparison between the hummingbird and the last gen snapdragon, especially with custom roms/kernals this phone demolishes the desire. Me and a friends have done some speed tests with my captivate with phoenix rom, and desire with a custom rom (can't remember the name, wasn't oc though) and in about every test we did the captivate was the winner.
My major complaint with this phone is the build quality, it feels kind of flimsy, especially compared to htc.
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Not so fast, as much as i love the specs on the atrix looks like motorola will be locking the bootloader damn shame.
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Looks like motorola is backtracking a bit on that bootloader comment.
I have been holding this captivate for about a year, its performance is miserable, frequent hang, freeze, turn off, application crashes are common. At best it responds to keypress in such a way I feel like using decade old computer. It is basically piece of junk. I chose it a year ago, based on its screen brightness.
For the android next phone, I am putting priority on reliability and performance. Please suggest as to which phone you would think the best fit in my need? Thanks,
first question i ask anyone with a question like this, to see if i can help. what country, what carrier?
Wait for the Galaxy Nexus. Performance wise, the software is fully optimized for the hardware. Pure google so no bloatwares eating resources. I think it will also be reliable because if there will be bugs or glitches, it will receive immediate updates. No more waiting.
the GS2 is a good phone too. Fast, decent battery life, camera is good, haven't heard of any major bugs.
Why not give your Captivate a new lease of life and flash a Custom ROM to it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978150
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Wait for the Galaxy Nexus. Performance wise, the software is fully optimized for the hardware. Pure google so no bloatwares eating resources. I think it will also be reliable because if there will be bugs or glitches, it will receive immediate updates. No more waiting.
the GS2 is a good phone too. Fast, decent battery life, camera is good, haven't heard of any major bugs.
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Sure it's good, but TouchWiz isn't great imo and audio quality is truly horrible if you wanna listen to some music on the go. Imho the audio thing should be regarded as a deal breaker: i was about to sell this phone lately, mainly due to that...
Very happy with my samsung Galaxy S2 Epic 4g touch, FAST everything. I even get decent signal everywhere I go, wifi when avail picks right up, battery is decent. It is my first smartphone so obviously I would be wowed.
As far as iphones go, they UNDERWOW me every time I borrow a co-workers to play with, and my ex had one since week one, and it was cool, but not wow enough to convert me from my beloved flip-phones since the Motorola STARTAC days (most recent a katana, which looks like it is from 1989 compared to my epic 4g touch.... Not to mention all of the iphone people always want to mess with my phone. I mean, do phones come smoother? Smartphones in general are cool fargin technology. If you told me when I finished college in 2002 that I would have a laptop in my pocket everyday in ten or so years I would have told you pigs fly. However, some obviously perform better than others, allow for customization, and are not "enslaved" to a complete system (apple) of trying to control everything and make me pay $1 for a song... Once I heard that dollar for a song thing, it made me want to goose more music than I could ever need or want, just because it is free, and for me will always be. $1 per song ROFL, suckers are born every day, BILLIONS of them it seems....
I am not an apple guy anyway. I was so upset that after having not used my ipod for nearly a year, and therefore not having upgraded itunes in probably 4 years (My brother built a new computer for me and purposefully left itunes on my old harddrive that is still part of my racked ones dating to 2000 or so...) so back then I could move music easy to and from (I DO NOT PAY for music - spent that money on cd's in the 80's and 90's and got most of it back with early napster and the past 8 years with e**yn**s).
With the android system, plug it in my comp, copy the music/videos complete with artwork to the sdcard (or internal if you dont get one, but for $20-40 why wouldn't you?) and play away. Epic 4g's come with ample storage stock, but there is a reason they have an sdcard slot. IMO - a card above class 4 is not needed, and those class 4 16 and 32 gig cards will hold a kings ransom. Arguably MORE than you would ever want to have on a sole device capable of total loss with.
mini rant over...
JC
HTC Desire!!!!!
Samsung Galaxy S2 or HTC Desire. Your choice.
Well if you found a captivate with a custom rom on it like cognition to be slow and buggy, I cannot recommend any android phone for you. Maybe you should go for an iPhone or WP7, they both work great and I doubt you'll run into bugs or such.
guyenxda000 said:
I have been holding this captivate for about a year, its performance is miserable, frequent hang, freeze, turn off, application crashes are common. At best it responds to keypress in such a way I feel like using decade old computer. It is basically piece of junk.
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Sounds like a user problem.
Notice how most of the responses recommend samsung galaxy phones.
My stock Galaxy S (stock when i got it in Aug '10 -running Eclair) was "ok" for a while, but it became a slow POS. That's when I started flashing custom ROMs and never looked back! To TRULY see your Captivate's potential, do yourself a favor and upgrade that thing to a Froyo or GB custom ROM. It will be like an entirely NEW and improved phone. Stock Captivate is not even in the same league.
I'm currently running Apex 10.1, which is GB 2.3.5, Dark Core Kernel OC'd to 1.2 Ghz...
I NEVER have lag, ZERO issues, incredible battery life - it's amazing.
I know that Quadrant scores are unreliable benchmarks, but just it still gives a sort of idea as to how far we've come from stock - conisistently scores 3100.
The first time you flash a custom ROM can be scary, but the ROM devs are great about helping.
I really think you're selling yourself short by buying a new phone without "uncorking" the abilities of the device in your hands.
Sent from Samsung Captivate using Tapatalk
want a new phone??
state your needs in the first place
1.- Pictures? Try a Nokia WM7 phone, or Galaxy S II, Motorola RAZR, HTC Amaze, or Xperia Arc S with EXMOR sensor
2.- Design? Xperia Arc S, Xperia Ray or Moto RAZR
3.- Bleeding edge hardware and top-notch specs? HTC Amaze or Galaxy S II
4.- Screen? Check the xperia line with BRAVIA engine (Ray, Arc S, etc)
5.- Waterproof and scratchproof? Moto RAZR (some say it is also bulletproof )
6.- Latest software? Galaxian Nexus with Android 4.01, but be aware all of the other mentioned phones will also get the software update in a couple of months
7.- Small form factor? Xperia Ray
8.- Big screen? Galaxy Note
DirkGently said:
Why not give your Captivate a new lease of life and flash a Custom ROM to it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978150
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I could upgrade,but if it does not solve its problem of reliability what is point? No matter how many bells and whistles it has but if it does not have the stability, it is of no use to me.
peacekeeper05 said:
Wait for the Galaxy Nexus. Performance wise, the software is fully optimized for the hardware. Pure google so no bloatwares eating resources. I think it will also be reliable because if there will be bugs or glitches, it will receive immediate updates. No more waiting.
the GS2 is a good phone too. Fast, decent battery life, camera is good, haven't heard of any major bugs.
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THanks peacekeeper, but my experience with captivate was so low, I just cant settle with another Samsung phone. I am really done with Samsung. I wanna try something different this time.
SnackCracker said:
My stock Galaxy S (stock when i got it in Aug '10 -running Eclair) was "ok" for a while, but it became a slow POS. That's when I started flashing custom ROMs and never looked back! To TRULY see your Captivate's potential, do yourself a favor and upgrade that thing to a Froyo or GB custom ROM. It will be like an entirely NEW and improved phone. Stock Captivate is not even in the same league.
I'm currently running Apex 10.1, which is GB 2.3.5, Dark Core Kernel OC'd to 1.2 Ghz...
I NEVER have lag, ZERO issues, incredible battery life - it's amazing.
I know that Quadrant scores are unreliable benchmarks, but just it still gives a sort of idea as to how far we've come from stock - conisistently scores 3100.
The first time you flash a custom ROM can be scary, but the ROM devs are great about helping.
I really think you're selling yourself short by buying a new phone without "uncorking" the abilities of the device in your hands.
Sent from Samsung Captivate using Tapatalk
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I got one a year ago, which had a bad gpd and miserable performance. Using that I upgraded to froyo and it became even worse.
Now recently I had it replaced at att center with improved gps and Froyo. But performance is no better at all. It just freezes when I needed it most. Just yesterday, wanted to wake up the phone and use it as a gpd and start driving but it hang with blank screen and all four touch button lit. Other times, it is common that when I wake up the phone and start inputting the unlock pattern, it sleep right back. just few examples. it is just sucker I have no word to describe it.
Mytouch 4g ftw my phone is awesome especially with my custom Rom and kernel I never have lag EVEN WHEN PLAYING HIGH END HD GAMES like asphalt 6 mobile combat 2 and nova 2 and I'm bout start playing 9mm I can Overclock my phone to 2.0ghz hell yea pc fast boiee but I keep it at 1.4ghz on daily bases and my Rom virtuous unity 2.39 sexy and slick HTC sense 3.0 with awesome tweaks like 3d homescreen and fancy inputs ING I love ky phone u one love it too get on also did I mention u can flash beats by Dr free on my ROM o yea louder music too
HTC Glacier - Virtuous Unity 2.39/Kernel V9 Unity (Main Overclocked - 1.4 Ghz-932Ghz)
I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?
What brand? The HTCs and Samsungs? Well, one came from Ebay, few came from the carriers. See, I didn't specify any specific models because every single ones that I used lacked in few important things, such as battery life. Either way, let's hope Android survives its retarded fragmentation and becomes just as stable (but not as stale) as Symbian has.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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You should consider WP7. Nokia is doing some hardware with WP7 in mind. They currently have the Lumia 800 (N9) and the Lumia 710. There isn't anything better than WP7 in my experience. It's even better than iOS. The battery life isn't too good right now, but Nokia's hardware may have that resolved.
Give WP7 a nod and check it out.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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My camera is great. And as much as I use my phone...a day is pretty good for battery life..my. phone is a beast..
sent...ah whatever its on there now..
Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".
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Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".
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It's perfectly understandable. This was more of personal rant for me - I'm kinda pissed that what I think is a superior OS doesn't do it for me, nothing more.
P.S. I disagree that all are satisfactory... Symbian S60v5 was something truly out of a horror movie.
Well I can't really say for symbian since I have never extensively used it. But judging from what I read about symbian, I will retract my statement of all are satisfactory.
I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
I think the deal with battery life isn't always the battery or OS, but WHAT the phone can do and how often you use it. My old N95 8gb which I LOVED and hung onto for many years (and claimed a high price when recycled), that thing had many functions and that battery could last for hours or days, things like GPS/Maps (with the 3G loading more map squares as you move). The only time my Nexus S hasn't lasted a day unexpectedly was when I found the Facebook chat talking away in the background !! (quickly removed after that incident) I like the battery monitor graph so I can identify if there's a specific battery hog, but otherwise I always think if your phone is awesome and has many apps then the battery won't last long because you'll want to use it all the time. I imagine blackberry's last for a long time because they don't do anything fun afaik. :3
Also I find my OS very good ("pure Android"), and it gets frequent updates.
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I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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Mine looks and feels very polished.
Android is Linux. Ubuntu doesn't look good out of the box, you gotta tinker with it to get it just right.
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And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?
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everywhere..
and I think we must consider iPhone now..
I agree, Nokia is just superb in overall quality. Samsung focuses on great screens, HTC caters to gimmicks and openness and is pretty much favored largely by members here because they push the openness... Horrid build quality though. Nokia is just superb in quality. I'm so glad that they now utilize an OS that can keep up.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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hmmm.. the camera on my evo 3D works amazingly. it is exceptional in my opinion. just because the the default "auto settings" aren't amazing, doesn't make it terrible. adjust the exposure, sharpness (all available in settings) bam, amazing pictures.
i'm not quite sure why the battery life is so bad on most android phones? the only thing i can think of (theory obviously, but logical) is that a lot of the top end android phones like mine for example have big processors and bigger screens... that display CHEWS through my battery life like you would not believe. it is rarely less than 50 percent of the battery consumption.
needless to say, another thing i enjoy about android is the fact that there are always expandable battery options. the one in my phone is currently the 4,000 mah from seido... i charge my phone once a week.
i have said it once, and again, i will never own a smartphone that cannot be rooted/jailbroken... there is too much spying going on from carriers and phone companies. they know what apps you use, how often you use them, and when you uninstall them. if you think i am making this up, you are a fool. they do this to market to you every time you log into the app store/market so they know what to throw at you - things you like...
i personally like to have all of that stuff NOT on my phone. for me, android provides freedom to choose what i put on my phone and who gets to see it... not the other way around. plus all of the customization that comes with android platforms. i would take a dream machine phone to move me in a different direction.
either way, here is a screen shot of my last battery cycle, this a modest example as there was very heavy use this past weekend. usually i charge it on a monday and it lasts till saturday/sunday...
oh and cool story bro
EDIT*** oh and z33, i totally agree with you about build quality. the build quality on the evo 3D seems rugged and archaic. i wish it was a little more "sexy" looking. i just love the utter performance of the thing. it is astounding the things this phone is capable of.
i think of it like.... apple products and a select few of other phones are like ferraris to me... and my phone is like a 67 camaro with a chevy big block and blower.... doesn't look to nice, but eats up anything in performance.
the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.
that would be expected out of a single core phone with a 3.7 inch low resolution display. not surprising.
and i shouldn't say low resolution, i guess the appropriate observation would be "lower" resolution than many others out there. most are pushing HD pixels.... 800x480 or whatever it is, is pretty bare minimum by today's standards. but on a smaller screen i suppose it will still look pretty slick and sharp.
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the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.
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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...
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I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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The apps are atrocious, I have been using an HD7 for about a week and I am quite reaady to switch back. Moving to a Nexus One by the end of the week.
i tried the n9 yesterday, and i must say that the UI i far ahead of both android and ios. however, it has almost no apps compared to android/ios, and it is probably going to stay that way since nokia has dropped meamo.
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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...
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I admitted that they often use outdated processors. Please stop attempting to troll, you're not particularly good at it.