[Q] SD Card Works Slow - X10 Mini Pro - General Questions and Answers

Hi everyone this is my first post lol
I have X10 Mini Pro phone upgraded to Android 2.1 and I bought a 4 GB SD card. It used to work really fast when I formatted it using phone's own SD format tool, (which I found to be formatted as FAT32 16K cluster size) however when accessing various pictures in Album or playing some SD card intensive games, the SD card stops responding and would show zero size in SD card properties. But now I have solved the problem by re-formatting SD card with FAT32 4096 bytes cluster size using my PC, but it works really slow, takes time to process thumbnails in Album or when recording video it records with few hiccups I tested my SD card for bad sectors on PC there were none and then speed tested using various apps on my PC which shows that when formatted as 16K cluster it performs like a class 4 SD card, and when formatted as 4096 bytes it performs like a class 2 SD card, half the speed that is
Can anybody guide me what filesystem and cluster size should I use, or any other solution? I just can't put aside this SD card since this 4 GB worth its size and it has no bad sectors
Btw I like xda's community, I frequently read most threads here

fshahid said:
Hi everyone this is my first post lol
I have X10 Mini Pro phone upgraded to Android 2.1 and I bought a 4 GB SD card. It used to work really fast when I formatted it using phone's own SD format tool, (which I found to be formatted as FAT32 16K cluster size) however when accessing various pictures in Album or playing some SD card intensive games, the SD card stops responding and would show zero size in SD card properties. But now I have solved the problem by re-formatting SD card with FAT32 4096 bytes cluster size using my PC, but it works really slow, takes time to process thumbnails in Album or when recording video it records with few hiccups I tested my SD card for bad sectors on PC there were none and then speed tested using various apps on my PC which shows that when formatted as 16K cluster it performs like a class 4 SD card, and when formatted as 4096 bytes it performs like a class 2 SD card, half the speed that is
Can anybody guide me what filesystem and cluster size should I use, or any other solution? I just can't put aside this SD card since this 4 GB worth its size and it has no bad sectors
Btw I like xda's community, I frequently read most threads here
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I had the same problem with MicroSDHC 8GB in Galaxy Mini and I used this to format: https://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter_3/...it solved all my problems. Hope this helps you too.

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Storage card speed optimization – long-time & real-world tests. A MUST!

After having downloaded the latest Shadow of Legend beta, I’ve realized it has 9422 files and 424 directories. If you’ve followed my articles for more than a year, you may already know that this means really slow transfer rates to even the fastest cards. (For example, to a (cheap) 1 GByte Kingston SD card, formatted with the most storage-saving FAT32/512 format (and not using a backup FAT table to speed up operation), it took exactly 2:28 (h:mm) to transfer all these files. (Only to find out 14M was left free, which resulted in the immediate crashing of the updater program because there simply was no free storage to download updates to. The SoL web page should be updated and the 1+ GB storage requirement increased to at least 2GB so that others don't even try to copy it to an 1GB card.) If you’ve read my three-year-old, highly recommended article on optimizing storage card speeds, you may already know you can heavily decrease the time needed to transfer several thousand files to a card by using another file system.
Note that I will NOT explain all the stuff I’ve already elaborated on in the above-linked article once more. Read it so that you understand what I’m writing about, what tools you should use to format your cards with etc. This test is pretty much like the previous one, except that, of course, I’ve tested the latest high-capacity microSD cards to find out how they compare to each other. For real-world tests, I’ve benchmarked transferring 48 files residing in 18 directories to these cars. In addition, I’ve, instead of some meaningless desktop file transfer speed testings, I’ve run some real-world tests using my Canon IXUS 960IS (SD 950IS) 12 Mpixel camera in superfine mode, using continuous shooting. I use continuous shooting a lot when taking social photos so that I have several shots to select the best from; then, card writing speeds have a tremendous effect on the continuity and speed of shooting. In this respect, this test will be of real importance to people looking for the fastest possible card to be used in their (high-end – don’t forget low(er)-end cameras like that of HP simply can’t make use of the high speed of cards) digital cameras.
Symbian and BlackBerry users: note that this article is applicable to your operating systems too. It’s just that you won’t have access to the Windows Mobile apps to format your cards. However, you can do the same on your desktop. And, of course, you may also face the problem of having to copy to thousands of files to your card – or, for that matter, optimizing it for speed when used in a digital camera (or a desktop card reader).
(Note that I, generally, only take shots in fine mode only; then, the cards’ transfer speed doesn’t have that big an impact on the speed of taking photos in continuous mode as in Super Fine mode. The latter uses roughly twice the storage for shots than Fine mode.)
The cards I’ve tested (click the image for a higher-resolution one)
Now, let’s take a look at the results. In the first part, I only elaborate on the file creation speed. You’ll want to check this section out if you want to optimize your cards for file creation - but not necessarily massive, multi-Gigabyte file transfers; see the second section, the real-world camera tests, for that. Note that optimizing for file creation speed doesn’t necessarily result in being optimized for massive file transfers, as will also be shown in the camera tests.
Section 1 – optimizing strictly for file creation speed
Lower-capacity SD cards
2GB Connect3D:
FAT32 / 512 / -: 32s
FAT32 / 512 / +: 45s
FAT32 / 2k / +: 40s
FAT32 / 4k / +: 40s
FAT32 / 16k / +: 43s
FAT16 / 32k / +: 25s
FAT16 / 64k / +: 26s
FAT16 / 32k / -: 26s
FAT32 / 4k / -: 34s
Recommended: FAT16 / 32k for file creation speed (with or without backup); otherwise, FAT32 / 512 / - (12.5% slower).
1GB Kingston:
FAT32 / 512 / -: 23s
FAT32 / 512 / +: 32s
FAT16 / 16k / +: 9s
FAT16 / 32k / +: 16s
FAT16 / 32k / -: 9s
FAT16 / 16k / -: 8s
FAT32 / 4k / -: 20s
Recommended: FAT16 / 16k / - for speed; otherwise, FAT32 / 512/ - (280% slower)
1GB Sandisk:
FAT32 / 512 / -: 9s
FAT32 / 512 / +: 22s
FAT32 / 4k / +: 22s
FAT16 / 16k / +: 19s
FAT16 / 16k / -: 7s
Recommended: FAT16 / 16k / - for speed; otherwise, FAT32 / 512/ - (28% slower)
High(er)-capacity, higher-speed microSD cards:
SanDisk 2GB, no class given:
FAT32 / 512 / -: 4s
FAT32 / 512 / +: 11s
FAT32 / 4k / -: 5s
FAT16 / 32k / -: 5s
FAT16 / 32k / +: 10s
Recommended: FAT32 / 512 / - for both speed and capacity; backup FAT introduces at least a 100% speed hit
SanDisk 8G SDHC class 4
FAT32/32k/+: 4s
FAT32/32k/-: 4s
FAT32/4k/-: 4s
FAT32/512/-: 4s
Kingston 4G SDHC class 4
FAT32/4k/+: 24s
FAT32/4k/-: 11s
FAT32/512/-: 22s
FAT32/512/+: 29s
Optimal: FAT32/4k/-; backup FAT introduces 100% speed hit; 512byte is slow
Sandisk 256M miniSD:
FAT16 / 4k / -: 12s
FAT16 / 4k / +: 13s
FAT16 / 16k / -: 12s
FAT32 / 512 / -: 11s
FAT32 / 512 / +: 12s
Optimal: FAT32/512/-; other settings aren’t considerably worse, though
Section 2 - Camera tests
Shooting continuous images (the screen of an LCD monitor; this guarantees the output will consist of huge JPG files) for 2 minutes. I’ve tested the cards with the parameters optimized for file creation speed and for FAT32/32k/+ (the default mode the IXUS960 formats all cards to). The former is before and the latter is after the slash. I’ve also marked how many shots were taken in two minutes and how much storage they took. As an example, let’s take a look at the first row,
1GB Sandisk 82 shots (FAT16 / 16k / -) for 651,106k / 82 shots (default) for 669,843k
just below. The section before the slash,
1GB Sandisk 82 shots (FAT16 / 16k / -) for 651,106k
means the Canon took 82 shots, totaling 651106k, when using the FAT16 / 16k / - file system with the 1GB Sandisk SD card. Continuing with the part after the slash (/),
82 shots (default) for 669,843k
states (also) 82 shots have been taken with the default (Canon) FAT32/32k/+ file format, totaling, this time, 669843kbytes. (Note that we’re speaking of photos; this is why they aren’t of exactly the same size.)
Now, the results (SD and microSD; I haven't benchmarked the miniSD card in this test):
SD:
1GB Sandisk: 82 shots (FAT16 / 16k / -) for 651,106k / 82 shots (default) for 669,843k
1GB Kingston: 82 (FAT16 / 16k / -) for 630,179k / 79 (def) for 657,524k
2GB Connect3D: 51 (FAT16 / 32k / -) for 421,809k / 47 (def) for 415,823k
microSD:
Sandisk 2GB: 89 (FAT32 / 512 / - ; about 1-3s warm-up time) for 518.584k / 88 for 624,291k
Kingston 4GByte Class 4 SDHC: 128 (FAT32/4k/-) for 781,932k / 98 (FAT32/32k/+) for 703,071k. That is, in this case, the camera default is somewhat suboptimal.
Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC: 95 (FAT32/512/-; takes 16 secs to check the card on every restart!!) for 797.178k / 142 (FAT32/32k/+) for 1,051,712k
As a rule of thumb, in most cases, the default file system is optimal when used with the Canon. (With for example the Kingston 4Gbyte Class 4 microSDHC, I’ve got somewhat better results in the other way around. It’s still about 34% worse than the Sandisk 8GB Class 4 results in the default mode, which is, incidentally, way better than the performance delivered by all the other, tested cards.) Of course, for pure file creation speed, you’ll want to look at the results in the first section and format your card(s) accordingly. Don’t forget the Canon, as has already been pointed out, uses a backup FAT, which results in, with some cards, even two or even three times worse performance when copying a large number of small files than without the backup FAT. Keep this in mind when transferring for example Shadow of Legend to your card.
Finally, note that if you use the, otherwise, most storage saving FAT32/ 512byte combo with really high-capacity cards, you may encounter slowdowns upon powering up the devices using the cards. For example, the Canon camera needs approximately 16 seconds (!!!) to gain access to the Sandisk 8GB microSDHC when formatted to this mode. With the 2GB Sandisk microSD, this warm-up time was about 1-3s secs. You’ll encounter the same issue with desktop card readers (you’ll need to wait that more(!) to gain access to the contents of the card) and, probably, even handhelds / handsets (if they do power down the card when suspending). This means you’ll need to carefully test whether heavily optimizing for storage results in huge slowdowns at startup / resuming your mobile device.

16GB microSDHC card & touch cruise

Today I got my 16GB microSDHC storage card (Sandisk 16GB Class 2)
It is working on HTC Touch Cruise Original WWE 6.1 Rom from HTC released last week.
why Sandisk made the 16GB card Class 2 instead of Class 4 or 6 i don't know.
File transfer information:
* Large files: (mp3) did: average 11MB p/s. (9MB - 12.8MB)
* Large & some small files (tomtom maps) did: 6MB - 12MB p/s with an peak at 13.141 p/s
*small files (programs & data files) did 0.9MB - 6.7MB p/s with some peaks at 9MB p/s
I looked for an Class4 or Class6 microSDHC card but could not find one anywhere at the moment.)
thechefcooks said:
Today I got my 16GB microSDHC storage card (Sandisk 16GB Class 2)
It is working on HTC Touch Cruise Original WWE 6.1 Rom from HTC released last week.
why Sandisk made the 16GB card Class 2 instead of Class 4 or 6 i don't know.
File transfer information:
* Large files: (mp3) did: average 11MB p/s. (9MB - 12.8MB)
* Large & some small files (tomtom maps) did: 6MB - 12MB p/s with an peak at 13.141 p/s
*small files (programs & data files) did 0.9MB - 6.7MB p/s with some peaks at 9MB p/s
I looked for an Class4 or Class6 microSDHC card but could not find one anywhere at the moment.)
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hehe why don't you try on ebay?!
i recently won on a bid 4 MicroSDHC 8Gb Class 6 cards for $27(total), and works fine (one on my Cruise, the other on a friends Cruis, third on TyTTNII and third on Wii)

[Q] Burst Shot storage location

Is there any way to change the default storage location for "Burst Shot" pictures? By design I know it uses the internal storage because it is typically "faster" than SD cards, but I am running using a 64GB Class 10 SD card and think it would be plenty fast to handle Burst Shots.
Thanks.

Virtual memory, or apps off SD card?

I'm interested in expanding my phone's RAM because I've noticed I run enough apps that it goes slow.
It has 1.5 GB memory, and 5 GB HDD.
I have an option of buying a 64 GB micro SDXC card. I want to know the best write speed for it if I intend to use it for virtual memory, IF using virtual memory via SWAP is even preferable to running apps directly off the SD card.
Here are the phone specs:
RAM: 4700 mb/s
Internal memory: 59 mb/s (read), 24 mb/s (write)
sd card: 60 mb/s wite: 24 mb/s
So I'm thinking, any SD card I get is going to be slower than real RAM, but if I get the cards that read/write 90 mb/s and 80 mb/s, that should be far superior to what I would get off the internal SD card, no?
Also, if I have files on the external SD while using it for virtual memory, will that mess things up?

Ideal file system for 128 GB micro SD card?

Hi there!
So I have a Samsung Evo+ 128 GB micro SD card and I'm curious which file system would be optimal to use.
Since I use custom ROM and kernel file system support isn't really a problem. I had many problems with FAT32 so I try to avoid it at all cost. I've been using the card as exFAT for half a year now and it's not bad. Even though it doesn't seem to be as fast as it could according to benchmarks and official description of the card furthermore, when I do multitasking while listening to music stored on the card, the music stutters once a minute. According to my own statistics the card achieves the best performance with NOOP I/O scheduler and lowest (128kb) read-ahead size. Would it prove higher performance if formatted as F2FS/EXT4 or NTFS?
Detailed device description:
Phone(4GB RAM version)
OS(always latest for I'm a flashaholic)
Kernel(always latest)
I would go with exFAT for compatibility and stability.
Scott said:
I would go with exFAT for compatibility and stability.
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I thought the same. Speed isn't much good if you lose your files.
greenys' said:
Hi there!
So I have a Samsung Evo+ 128 GB micro SD card and I'm curious which file system would be optimal to use.
Since I use custom ROM and kernel file system support isn't really a problem. I had many problems with FAT32 so I try to avoid it at all cost. I've been using the card as exFAT for half a year now and it's not bad. Even though it doesn't seem to be as fast as it could according to benchmarks and official description of the card furthermore, when I do multitasking while listening to music stored on the card, the music stutters once a minute. According to my own statistics the card achieves the best performance with NOOP I/O scheduler and lowest (128kb) read-ahead size. Would it prove higher performance if formatted as F2FS/EXT4 or NTFS?
Detailed device description:
Phone(4GB RAM version)
OS(always latest for I'm a flashaholic)
Kernel(always latest)
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EXT4 and f2fs are the most common formats used in android.
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