Hi All,
I'm looking for a ROM which can support indian languages. I'm even watching google android forum. They didnt released any support towards indian languages. However, I found a work around with DroidSansFallback.ttf file. This is not rendering fully like how it will render in my system.
Can our ROM gurus include indian language support in terms of rendering & locale (I can support them for translation).
i've attached font which I'm using in my mobile. You need to replace this file with /system/fonts folder. You must have ROOT access.
Using command prompt:
adb remount
adb push DroidSansFallback.ttf /system/fonts
font must be located in the same folder
or you can replace with root explorer
then reboot your device
19-May-2011:
Finally i can able to get menu in Telugu language. I just converted 2% menu and it is working fine (only rendering issues are there). I'll try to finish convert whole menu in Telugu by this weekend .
23-May-2011:
I've added some more telugu translation based on rendering capabilities of Android. Finally decided to recompile code with harfbuzz but still looking help from a kernel compilers
19-July-2012
Good news that now Jelly Bean can render text properly in browser but still interface level rendering for Indian Languages not yet supported
PS: I'm really happy who can compile kernel with indic support .
I get this message;
you cannot paste here because the file system is read-only.
i am using root explorer
hnkumar said:
Hi All,
I'm looking for a ROM which can support indian languages. I'm even watching google android forum. They didnt released any support towards indian languages. However, I found a work around with DroidSansFallback.ttf file. This is not rendering fully like how it will render in my system.
Can our ROM gurus include indian language support in terms of rendering & locale (I can support them for translation).
i've attached font which I'm using in my mobile. You need to replace this file with /system/fonts folder. You must have ROOT access.
Using command prompt:
adb remount
adb push DroidSansFallback.ttf /system/fonts
font must be located in the same folder
or you can replace with root explorer
then reboot your device
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itsme_4ucz said:
I get this message;
you cannot paste here because the file system is read-only.
i am using root explorer
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use such nice one button in right up corner to mount system partition before u paste in Root Explorer.
Krzysiec said:
use such nice one button in right up corner to mount system partition before u paste in Root Explorer.
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yup.. it sounds simple.. but for some people it dossnt work..
even i had the same problem .. you need to download a free app from the market called mount system r/w .. and then from the app just mount the system R/W and then you will be able to copy/paste..
wait i'll just upload it in a second
ok attached the app mount system r/w .. as its free in the market i dont think its against the laws to add it here
and if you want to say thanks there is a thanks button
update
Finally i can able to get menu in Telugu language. I just converted 2% menu and it is working fine (only rendering issues are there). I'll try to finish convert whole menu in Telugu by this weekend .
I'll publish framework-res.apk by end of this week which is belongs to MDJ's Cyanogenmod v1.4
Don't compliant about rendering, i'm seeking help from kernel developers
Update - 23rd May 2011
Added few screenshots of telugu menu . Will add some more screen by end of this week (most probably, i'll complete telugu translation).
I can't figure out if this is a Question thread, or if you're developing something...
NeoS2007 said:
I can't figure out if this is a Question thread, or if you're developing something...
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Hi Neo,
this is not a question thread, I'm developing for my own mother language menu based on CM7 (at present). Ofcourse also I'm looking at some kernel developers, who can compile existing kernel (CM7 or HTC or Ultradroid) with Harfbuzz so indic languages also can render properly.
Wants to release ROM with proper telugu translation. It is just a first step to have a translation for Telugu. 2nd step is sorting out rendering issues with the help our kernel gurus.
Any plan to work on hindi language support?
Thanks....It's useful for some people..
amresh said:
Any plan to work on hindi language support?
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Amresh, I'm not so good in Hindi. What I'm doing is preparing a master list of translation document. If anybody can help me to translate the whole thing into Hindi then I can able to support Hindi too .
Also, you must understand that still we are struggling for indic support . So rendering may not be proper .
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Amresh, I'm not so good in Hindi. What I'm doing is preparing a master list of translation document. If anybody can help me to translate the whole thing into Hindi then I can able to support Hindi too .
Also, you must understand that still we are struggling for indic support . So rendering may not be proper .
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No problem. Let me know if I can help in anyways for hindi support. I will try my best.
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Hi there guys.
Nice to know that I am not the only person interested in l18n of android. Do we have a separate forum / thread etc. where such things are discussed?
What the OP is trying to do is to "translate the UI", have I got you right?
But alongside that, we need proper fonts ( I guess the fonts are already there - Droidsansfallback posted by sridhar in some other thread - need to test it)m, AND rendering.
I just reading up on the whole thing, and just found that harfbuzz, a derivative / conjugate of pango is handling CTL (complex text layout) for other scripts. I would like to see CTL enabled by default in all apps ROMs. AFAICT, support for each script in Pango was modular, and it ought to be same way in harfbuzz too. This means developers are probably enabling modules only for the languages they are interested in. Probably, it is perceived that demand for support for Indic languages is not there?
BTW, on Linux desktop, CTL rendering is not in the Kernel - it is in the X applications.
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Any plan to work on hindi language support?
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I have Hindi working but no other languages.
Your phone must be rooted
I have attached a zip file.
Extract 2 fonts files from the zip and put them in System/fonts via root explorer
You may be asked to replace some file, just say yes.
reboot your phone
this should do it, that all i had to do.
Dev
genieass said:
Hi there guys.
Nice to know that I am not the only person interested in l18n of android. Do we have a separate forum / thread etc. where such things are discussed?
What the OP is trying to do is to "translate the UI", have I got you right?
But alongside that, we need proper fonts ( I guess the fonts are already there - Droidsansfallback posted by sridhar in some other thread - need to test it)m, AND rendering.
I just reading up on the whole thing, and just found that harfbuzz, a derivative / conjugate of pango is handling CTL (complex text layout) for other scripts. I would like to see CTL enabled by default in all apps ROMs. AFAICT, support for each script in Pango was modular, and it ought to be same way in harfbuzz too. This means developers are probably enabling modules only for the languages they are interested in. Probably, it is perceived that demand for support for Indic languages is not there?
BTW, on Linux desktop, CTL rendering is not in the Kernel - it is in the X applications.
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Geineass - It is not just "translate the UI". It is proper rendering system for Indic languages. I don't know about Linux but in Android most of the system rendering use base rendering system. By tweaking a small part of rending system, can show proper rendering whole system. Due to some personal reasons, I couldn't able to work on this. Rendering engineers can help us here. I agree in most of the forums that most of "Indian" engineers works in Android / Iphone / Symbian / other systems but we are not promoting Indic languages .
I also agree that "Indians" can easily adopt / understand "English"
genieass said:
Hi there guys.
Nice to know that I am not the only person interested in l18n of android. Do we have a separate forum / thread etc. where such things are discussed?
What the OP is trying to do is to "translate the UI", have I got you right?
But alongside that, we need proper fonts ( I guess the fonts are already there - Droidsansfallback posted by sridhar in some other thread - need to test it)m, AND rendering.
I just reading up on the whole thing, and just found that harfbuzz, a derivative / conjugate of pango is handling CTL (complex text layout) for other scripts. I would like to see CTL enabled by default in all apps ROMs. AFAICT, support for each script in Pango was modular, and it ought to be same way in harfbuzz too. This means developers are probably enabling modules only for the languages they are interested in. Probably, it is perceived that demand for support for Indic languages is not there?
BTW, on Linux desktop, CTL rendering is not in the Kernel - it is in the X applications.
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rohitbaba said:
I have Hindi working but no other languages.
Your phone must be rooted
I have attached a zip file.
Extract 2 fonts files from the zip and put them in System/fonts via root explorer
You may be asked to replace some file, just say yes.
reboot your phone
this should do it, that all i had to do.
Dev
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Rohitbaba - It support other languages but it won't render properly. I'm sure it won't render Hindi properly . I've replaced fonts and living with that .
hnkumar said:
Geineass - It is not just "translate the UI". It is proper rendering system for Indic languages.
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Nice to meet you.
I have worked closely with Indic rendering teams on Linux. I know the difference. Mostly, my role was fixing the bridge between the Unicode standards and developers.
I don't know about Linux but in Android most of the system rendering use base rendering system.
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Which precisely explains why Indic does not work. What that does not explain is why Arabic and Hebrew and other languages work. At least on my 5570, when it was running stock froyo, 2.2.1, it had the Koran preinstalled. AFAICT, on linux, these scripts use pango (on gtk). Or native kdelibs on kde.
By tweaking a small part of rending system, can show proper rendering whole system.
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The work is pretty complex. (and I am addressing anybody else wishing to work on this. )
My limitation is that I cannot tell C code from java code. But I can tell you that if Android is reusing the linux ecosystem ( heard Harfbuzz mentioned on one of the SE threads), what needs to be done is simply port the relevant rendering engine to Android.
And things are not too easy. Each Indic language may require a separate module. Or same module will require separate code (as in lines of code) for each Language. And fonts will have to use Opentype layout, or use the conjuncts in Private Use Area.
[/QUOTE] Due to some personal reasons, I couldn't able to work on this. Rendering engineers can help us here. I agree in most of the forums that most of "Indian" engineers works in Android / Iphone / Symbian / other systems but we are not promoting Indic languages .[/QUOTE]
People working on the systems you mentioned above are working for their employers, not for the love of the platform or freedom. Do not blame them. :-(
I also agree that "Indians" can easily adopt / understand "English"
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No offence meant, that is what I thought up to 20 years back. Then I started working. For past 5 years, been in govt. service. And my experience is that yes, people understand English well, but when it comes to expressing in English, people are not too well. ( hope you get the sarcasm).
genieass said:
Nice to meet you.
I have worked closely with Indic rendering teams on Linux. I know the difference. Mostly, my role was fixing the bridge between the Unicode standards and developers.
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Nice to meet you too. Happy that one expert starting sharing thoughts with me. May be we can work closely on this. What do you say? This weekend is long weekend, I can spend some time. Problem is I'm not Java coder, so I need to take help of some Java codes (my brother can do).
Which precisely explains why Indic does not work. What that does not explain is why Arabic and Hebrew and other languages work. At least on my 5570, when it was running stock froyo, 2.2.1, it had the Koran preinstalled. AFAICT, on linux, these scripts use pango (on gtk). Or native kdelibs on kde.
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Yup, I found that Arabic and Herbew they have changed somelibs. Here also, I dont know how to compile libs.
The work is pretty complex. (and I am addressing anybody else wishing to work on this. )
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Yes, it is complex.
My limitation is that I cannot tell C code from java code. But I can tell you that if Android is reusing the linux ecosystem ( heard Harfbuzz mentioned on one of the SE threads), what needs to be done is simply port the relevant rendering engine to Android.
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I found in Android source code only they have Indic support. But they are not using that. I dont know the reason. I found this few weeks back.
And things are not too easy. Each Indic language may require a separate module. Or same module will require separate code (as in lines of code) for each Language. And fonts will have to use Opentype layout, or use the conjuncts in Private Use Area.
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Ya, I downloaded Unicode for each language. However, I can only try with Telugu as I can understand whether it is rendering properly or not. If you help me then I can try for that.
People working on the systems you mentioned above are working for their employers, not for the love of the platform or freedom. Do not blame them. :-(
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True, but at least they can influence. If they have good experience like these kind of forums they can support other users
No offence meant, that is what I thought up to 20 years back. Then I started working. For past 5 years, been in govt. service. And my experience is that yes, people understand English well, but when it comes to expressing in English, people are not too well. ( hope you get the sarcasm).
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Yes, I can understand .
Why dont you keep in touch with me over email?
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Yup, I found that Arabic and Herbew they have changed somelibs. Here also, I dont know how to compile libs.
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What do they use for text shaping?
Yes, it is complex.
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I suggest you go through the Harfbuzz source code to find how they do it.
Find the tree here :-
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/harfbuzz/tree/
In particular:-
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/harfbuzz/tree/src/hb-ot-shape-complex-indic.cc
I found in Android source code only they have Indic support. But they are not using that. I dont know the reason. I found this few weeks back.
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In which case, all that may be required are a few compile / runtime switches or some "INCLUDE <blabla.h> directive somewhere???
"switches" as in "make ---with-indic-support-enabled". Hope you get the idea.
We had to do a 2 month war with the Debian team to have pango / indic support enabled by default in Mozilla (a that time).
Ya, I downloaded Unicode for each language. However, I can only try with Telugu as I can understand whether it is rendering properly or not. If you help me then I can try for that.
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Let me see what I can do. But, i do not know any Telegu - apart from imitating NTR in school for some fancy dress competition. <lol> Remember NTR?
Why dont you keep in touch with me over email?
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See my pm.
Edit:- Android does use Harfbuzz. See this link:-
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/harfbuzz.git;a=summary
This is the thread I've been looking for a long time.
Three things first - 1. I've yet to get reply on my post in official bug report for android.
2. I've heard that Honeycomb 3.1 renders Indic text perfectly.
3. Samsung Galaxy Pro renders Hindi flawlessly in stock browser, which means whatever framework is needed to render is there and working.
I am not much of help in terms of coding as my coding skills began at GW BASIC and ended at VB4.0 :/ Though I can help in getting translation done in Punjabi/Hindi.
PS: Subscribed to the thread.
PPS: This is how Hindi text renders perfectly in a mid range Samsung Galaxy Pro
Do any one has found a way to get the froyo (spell check for second language feature ?)
Or a way to change the spell checking from whatever language is in settings without having to go settings --> input --> spell check --> navigate trough list of languages ?
I tough of adding 140k french words and 100k Spanish words to the custom dict using UDM app but didn't work... the spell checker insist in using its own dict and ignore my custom.
This problem is magnified with the use of the bloody dock keyboard which was the single reason i bought the TF700 (which is on ebay for sale ATM)
I remember the times when Linux meant freedom and flexibility... JB is an Ugly unfinished IOs rip off (and that's in a good day)
Nazeroth said:
Do any one has found a way to get the froyo (spell check for second language feature ?)
Or a way to change the spell checking from whatever language is in settings without having to go settings --> input --> spell check --> navigate trough list of languages ?
I tough of adding 140k french words and 100k Spanish words to the custom dict using UDM app but didn't work... the spell checker insist in using its own dict and ignore my custom.
This problem is magnified with the use of the bloody dock keyboard which was the single reason i bought the TF700 (which is on ebay for sale ATM)
I remember the times when Linux meant freedom and flexibility... JB is an Ugly unfinished IOs rip off (and that's in a good day)
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The problem your encountering is not a "JB" issue. Rather, it is the fact that the TF700 (and ASUS in general) uses a proprietary subsystem called XT9 (produced by a company called 'Nuance'). For this reason, we cannot create new keyboard layouts nor add more languages. I've been investigating this in my spare time and, though there are some hacks you can do for some modified functionality, the extent you are wanting requires information that is just not available.
Hope this at least gives you a better idea of what the problem is.
Alien, thanks for your reply,
Maybe some of my problems come from the TF but the second language spell check is a feature last since ICS, that was the reason I sold my SG3 after three days.
I use a qwerty layout on all my hardware and my Desire HD2 for example is set to English and second language French.
I still miss spanish but it being my mother language i tend not make many mistakes on it.
There is a Bug report for Android about it http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22707
The problem is that they split the system Spell checker and now we realy a lot on the keyboard used and its suggestions, evidently that magnifies the problem on a Docked Asus TF but it is general to Android.
I think sadly that this is going the wrong way, like the bar not being hidable, or the gmail app not allowing to remove the conversation view... Google is trying to force on users theyir way of what is better for you just as Apple does.
even more Sadly Ubuntu and Unity are taking the same path. (I.E Unity top bar cant be hidden, at least they had the tought of putting it on top, as on android every time i try the OSK on the asus instead of space i hit the bar andallmywordslooklikethis)).
Nazeroth said:
Alien, thanks for your reply,
Maybe some of my problems come from the TF but the second language spell check is a feature last since ICS, that was the reason I sold my SG3 after three days.
I use a qwerty layout on all my hardware and my Desire HD2 for example is set to English and second language French.
I still miss spanish but it being my mother language i tend not make many mistakes on it.
There is a Bug report for Android about it http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=22707
The problem is that they split the system Spell checker and now we realy a lot on the keyboard used and its suggestions, evidently that magnifies the problem on a Docked Asus TF but it is general to Android.
I think sadly that this is going the wrong way, like the bar not being hidable, or the gmail app not allowing to remove the conversation view... Google is trying to force on users theyir way of what is better for you just as Apple does.
even more Sadly Ubuntu and Unity are taking the same path. (I.E Unity top bar cant be hidden, at least they had the tought of putting it on top, as on android every time i try the OSK on the asus instead of space i hit the bar andallmywordslooklikethis)).
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I understand your meaning as I am multilingual myself and Android isn't as versatile as I would like. I'm merely saying that everything that is entered via the dock on your TF700 is handled by the subsystem and not by Android directly. Anything that is entered via "ASUS Keyboard" is available for spell-check in the keyboard language that is selected. Just try opening SuperNote and typing in something like "Eu sou um americano Je suis un américain Yo soy un americano Ich bin eine Amerikaner" then setup your ASUS Keyboard for French, Spanish, Portuguese, and German. While in Supernote, press Left-Control+Left-Shift to bring up the keyboard list, and select a different language. When you change the contents (like add a space at the end) you can see it reparse everything and highlight words that are not known in the selected keyboard language. It's not 100% perfect but it should at least give you a bit of flexibility.
Edit: For clarification, no I don't speak/write in French, German, or Spanish. They were just thrown in for elaborating the test.
Thanks Alien, didn't knew about the CTRL ALT thing, however I did the rational thing... Sold the Asus and got an Ipad after all i only need to do note taking on the go, boor reader and emails and sadly the bloody ipad handles those very well...
BTW: I had removed Super notes after it crashed on me and made me loose a lot of text i had entered, i was using another note app free from the market that did less but did well.
I dont know if im getting older or what but my frustration trying to get the most of my screen while reading books and coherent margins and stuff while my wife laugthed at me reading the same book from her ipad got to me.
Now trying to jailbreak the thing so i can brick it lol...
PS: With a BT apple KB, command space swaps the language im writing in seamless like with the on screen keyboard and the spell check works, thou auto caps not...
I'm a college student. My minor is in Biblical languages. This being the case I write and read and study languages that have not been used in a very long time. Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew are the two languages I am most concerned about getting to work properly on my phone. The problem is that modern Greek and Hebrew have different letters than their ancient counterparts and the ancient characters are not supported by Android (except on a few apps that apparently supply their own fonts).
All these characters are supported natively by Microsoft and Apple and Linux, and I do believe that my friends on the iPhone also have them supported. Does anyone know how I would go about adding support for these characters on my phone, so that I can read them in various apps (email, facebook, twitter, Youversion, etc)
I've heard question like this a couple times, but it was more for adding unsupported languages (German, Croatian etc) but the answer was generally to ask your rom developers to add them. I'm not sure how the lettering is handled on the software level, but there are obviously languages that are very unusual that are supported, so I think it's just a matter of having the developer's add them. And judging from some glimpses at the commits on Github for adding languages it seems a pretty straightforward process. If you're on all stock, them I'm unsure as to how you would implement them
Running the latest Liquid Smooth ROM (although it's getting on my nerves and I am thinking of reverting back to the previous one). I've got the ROM Toolbox app which has a font adding function, which is why I first even thought about posing this question, but it looks like that just adds more fonts to change from the settings for the system font.
Dear devs,
The stock keyboard says it supports Vietnamese, but the encoding method is strange to Vietnamese users, and we can't use it and thus a third party keyboard is needed.
Would any developers be kind enough to merge telex encoding method to the keyboard? It would be great help.
I found this on github but it reads alien to mere mortals like I am.
https://github.com/typester/emacs/blob/master/lisp/language/vietnamese.el
Please help.
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nqk said:
Dear devs,
The stock keyboard says it supports Vietnamese, but the encoding method is strange to Vietnamese users, and we can't use it and thus a third party keyboard is needed.
Would any developers be kind enough to merge telex encoding method to the keyboard? It would be great help.
I found this on github but it reads alien to mere mortals like I am.
https://github.com/typester/emacs/blob/master/lisp/language/vietnamese.el
Please help.
Sent from my Nexus 4
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Unfortunately there's really nothing we can do here, unless there is someone who does understand what this encoding issue is, and knows what it should look like, and how to do that.
That links is for emacs, but really this looks like an entire new characterset, which means we'd need someone who understands this characterset, and can write the initial code for the feature.
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Unfortunately there's really nothing we can do here, unless there is someone who does understand what this encoding issue is, and knows what it should look like, and how to do that.
That links is for emacs, but really this looks like an entire new characterset, which means we'd need someone who understands this characterset, and can write the initial code for the feature.
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Thank you for your concern.
I understand that this issue should have been fixed by a Vietnamese developer. What a shame that I don't have their contacts.
However, I think if I had said "input method", it would have explained the situation better. I don't think there is a need for a new charset, it's still unicode, the same thing that is used by Android (Roboto font family supports it quite well).
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I don't know how difficult it may be, but let me explain how it should works when inputting Vietnamese using Telex (we call it) method.
Vietnamese char table include these characters (in addition to English alphabets): â, ă, ê, ô, ơ, ư, and they are combined with accent charracters: ´ (acute), ` (grave), ˜ (tilde), ̉ (hook above), and ̣ (dot below)
Normally, we use the English keyboard, which contains no such characters, so we type:
aa ==> â, aw ==> ă, ee ==> ê, oo ==> ô, ow ==> ơ, uw ==> ư ( or [ ==> ơ, ] ==> ư ), uo ==> ươ
To combine vowels with accents we use s ==> accute, f ==> grave, x ==> tilde, r ==> hook above, and j ==> dot below
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Examples:
tooi ==> tôi
toois ==> tối
thor ==> thỏ
hoaf ==> hòa
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I know this may be impossible for non-Vietnamese developer, but I still hope for a solution.
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This is anothe link to a linux Vietnamese keyboard, which is OpenSource. It is in fact the most popular keyboard software in Vietnam.
http://unikey.org/source.php
http://sourceforge.net/projects/uni...unikey-1.0.4.tar.bz2/download?use_mirror=nchc
An opensource Android keyboard app would be MUCH more useful as a reference.
Otherwise I'm not sure if there's much chance of this getting done properly without a Vietnamese developer who can properly test things as they work.
(similar to why EAP-SIM support still isn't in any custom firmware - only a small subset of developers can even work on EAP-SIM since only a few carriers support it.)
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An opensource Android keyboard app would be MUCH more useful as a reference.
Otherwise I'm not sure if there's much chance of this getting done properly without a Vietnamese developer who can properly test things as they work.
(similar to why EAP-SIM support still isn't in any custom firmware - only a small subset of developers can even work on EAP-SIM since only a few carriers support it.)
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Dear @Entropy512,
I found this https://github.com/AgeOfMobile/Vietnamese-LatinIME
Is it good (enough)?