Hello world,
(I really hope this is the correct section)
I recently bought an Oyama OY661 for use with my Android tablet and was disappointed to find out none of the special keys (shift, ctrl, alt) worked with it. Using a key test app I noticed that while for my fullsize USB keyboard it showed e.g. meta_shift_on|meta_shift_left_on along with 'a' when pressing shift-a, obviously, for the bt keyboard it just showed the letter, while showing the shift code when pressed alone (so I knew the keys themselves were working, just not combining them). Without giving it any second thought I returned it as incompatible and got a Rapoo E6300 instead, as I saw it had all-around great reviews.
I now regret that decision. The keyboard is the same size as the onscreen one, but with all the keys crammed together, it's actually even more uncomfortable go use. The battery is built-in, meaning you have to get a new keyboard when it dies out, and the auto-sleep is too agressive, having to reconnect more often than not when e.g. browsing and reading a forum.
Seeing how I actally preffer writing this post using the onscreen keyboard of my 4" phone than using the E6300, I'll return this one as well today. So my question is: Should I get the OY661 back? I've tried every "confirmed working fix" (disable chrome after uninstalling updates, set everything to 'default' in lang&input, force everything to 'English (US)' in lang&input etc) but none worked for me. But now I'm thinking maybe this can be fixed by modifying the keyboard layout&map files? Or is this a driver/hw specific issue and I'm better off looking for another keyboard? (I'm looking for something cheap to use with a $200 tablet. So a $100 keyboard that works with my computer, tablet & dog will not do, as anything designed primarily for the desktop compromises on the mobility usage and vice-versa - take the multimedia vs Fn keys; plus, I don't have a dog.)
Hello XDA! I'm one of those old school guys who likes physical keyboard on phone. Specially I like qwerty sliders but the bad thing is that they are dying out. (Watch out small screens, you are next!). Of course there is Priv but I think that it is sliding wrong way. So I decided to make my own qwerty slider:
I bought "The Beast" Xiaomi Mi4C and a bluetooth qwerty keyboard case for iPhone 6 (about 20$). First I cut the edges from the case, drilled hole for a speaker and made the camera hole little bit bigger for flash light. Then I just glued phone and case together. Because I cut the edges from the case there was about 1-3mm meeting between case and phone. I filled the cap with Sugru™. It should last for usage and temperature changes (between -50°C to +180°C).
For the software part I rooted my Mi4C and flashed CM13. Then I installed Keyboard Manager. With that app you can change keyboard based on orientation automatically. For landscape I use Minuum Keyboard with Mini Mode because I wanted the 5th number row. In the settings you can make the Minuum Keyboard only 140px (60+80) high. It takes only 13% of your screen space on Mi4C. If you don't want to use Minuum Keyboard you can use Null Input Method. In portait I use Google Keyboard. (Hint: You can transfer your dictionary from other keyboard to Minuum Keyboard).
When you install the Keyboard Manager you need to make this fix:
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If you are unable to launch the app after installation, please follow these steps:
- Look in your sdcard folder for the directory /Android/data/com.ne0fhykLabs.android.utility.kmLauncher/files/
- There should be an apk file there, Keyboardmanager.x.y.apk, where x,y stands for the version number
- Copy that file to /system/app/, and change the permissions to rw-r--r-- (Read/write for owner, read for group, and read for other)
- Reboot your device, and try running the app again.
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Total dimensions are 139 x 69.6 x 16 mm and weight is 228 g but I have installed tempered glass screen protector. For comparison Motorola Droid 4: 127 x 67.3 x 12.7 mm and 178.9 g. Here is more pictures:
http://imgur.com/a/Pbvpo
Here are some similar projects:
NUU keyboard and Alcatel One Touch Star
Turning Samsung galaxy note 4 (SM-N910F) into a mobile pc
OnePlus X and iPhone 6 qwerty case (finnish)
Xiaomi Note 2 and Galaxy S4 qwerty case (finnish)
Hit thanks if you liked my mod
PS: I already bought another original back cover so I can change back to "normal" phone if I like (not going to happen :silly
I have found one 5 row bluetooth keyboard case. It is for iPhone 5/5s so it is much smaller. Maybe it is possible to mod it to Mi4C or other phone (Xperia Z5 Compact?):
That's great. I've seen these few Bluetooth sliding keyboards and have been wondering if it was possible to mod them to fit other phones, and obviously it is!
Does the sliding mechanism have any kind of sensor that will tell the phone whether the keyboard is open or not? I use an Xperia Pro and often slide the keyboard open to wake the phone, and also force it into landscape mode. I also sometimes deliberately shut the keyboard in order to gain access to the landscape on-screen keyboard for special symbols, and it would be easier if I could keep it in landscape mode to do that rather than switch to portrait.
With the keyboard closed I guess the speaker is a bit muffled?
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That's great. I've seen these few Bluetooth sliding keyboards and have been wondering if it was possible to mod them to fit other phones, and obviously it is!
Does the sliding mechanism have any kind of sensor that will tell the phone whether the keyboard is open or not? I use an Xperia Pro and often slide the keyboard open to wake the phone, and also force it into landscape mode. I also sometimes deliberately shut the keyboard in order to gain access to the landscape on-screen keyboard for special symbols, and it would be easier if I could keep it in landscape mode to do that rather than switch to portrait.
With the keyboard closed I guess the speaker is a bit muffled?
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The keyboard that I have does not have any sensor that could tell if the keyboard is open or not. However, I believe that it could be pretty easy to implement with NFC. You could just put NFC tag to the keyboard (where?) and the phone would recognize when the keyboard is closed. (I mean that there would be connection in closed position and no-connection in opened position). Mi4C doesn't have NFC so I can't test this. Actually I don't miss that feature at all. I'm pretty happy with double tap. Also you can simply press one button on keyboard and it will wake up the screen.
It is also possible to implement a switcher for keyboard. With Tasker and Secure Settings you can make a toggle which change the keyboard. And if you wanna be really geeky you can control that toggle with gestures using AutomateIt (or maybe Tasker can do this also) and All in one Gestures. So if you use Null Input Method in landscape you can just swipe up to change it to Google Keyboard for example.
For me Minuum Keyboard has every special symbol that I need. Actually only ones that are missing from keyboard are "[" and "]". There are tons of possibilities to tweak with. It is possible to lock phone in landscape with gestures also. You just have to be little bit creative. Of course "native" QWERTY slider is always better but I'm happy with my mod.
The speaker is not that bad in closed position in my Mi4C. As you can se from the teardown pictures the speaker is located only in the left side of the phone when you look from back. Also the keyboard does not cover the speaker directly so there is a air cap between speaker and keyboard. You can test this by placing your thumb directly to the speaker and then test again and leave this time a 5mm cap between finger and speaker.
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The keyboard that I have does not have any sensor that could tell if the keyboard is open or not. However, I believe that could be pretty easy to implement with NFC. You could just put NFC tag to the keyboard (where?) and the phone would recognize when the keyboard is closed. (I mean that there would be connection in closed position and no-connection in opened position). Mi4C doesn't have NFC so I can't test this. Actually I don't miss that feature at all. I'm pretty happy with double tap. Also you can simply press one button on keyboard and it will wake up the screen.
It is also possible to implement a switcher for keyboard. With Tasker and Secure Settings you can make a toggle which change the keyboard. And if you wanna be really geeky you can control that toggle with gestures using AutomateIt (or maybe Tasker can do this also) and All in one Gestures. So if you use Null Input Method in landscape you can just swipe up to change it to Google Keyboard for example.
For me Minuum Keyboard has every special symbol that I need. Actually only ones that are missing from keyboard are "[" and "]". There are tons of possibilities to tweak with. It possible to lock phone in landscape with gestures also. You just have to bi little bit creative. Of course "native" QWERTY slider is always better but I'm happy with my mod.
The speaker is not that bad in closed position in my Mi4C. As you can se from the teardown pictures the speaker is located only in the left side of the phone when you look from back. Also the keyboard does not cover the speaker directly so there is a air cap between speaker and keyboard. You can test this by placing your thumb directly to speaker and then test again leaving and 5mm cap between finger and speaker.
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For my similar project you've already seen, I've used tasker to automate the phone unlock and horizontal rotation when the NUU keyboard slides out and so connects to BT.
On NUU keuboard there isn't nothing that inform the phone that the keyboard is closed, other than the BT disconnection timeout.
So i made a number of conditions to get practical the exit from the qwerty mode.
The phone turned in vertical, if the screen went in standby, if the phone was oriented verctically, and if a physical button was long pushed.
With tasker I had also the automated soft keyboard switch, because the SW keyboard I wanted to use with the vertical keyboard wasn't physical keyboard friendly. So I used two different sw keyboards that switched automatically depending if the phone was landscape or portrait mode.
The landscape keyboard could be the simple null keyboard, if you don't care about the spell checking function.
How's the weight distribution with this combination? With "native" qwerty phones, like Xperia Pro, and Nokia N900, the weight is mostly in the lower half (the keyboard half), with the top half only being the screen itself. This means that the bit you hold and type on is the heavier one.
With your project, is the top (screen/phone) half heavier than the keyboard, and if so, does that mean it feels top heavy if you're holding it by the keyboard only, and feel like it might topple to the ground?
How's the battery life on the keyboard? It would be annoying to have to charge it every day like the phone itself.
Which exact keyboard did you use? Did you take any pics of the making process, to turn it into a sort of tutorial?
EDIT: Have you done this, or seen it done by others, on different model phones?
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How's the weight distribution with this combination? With "native" qwerty phones, like Xperia Pro, and Nokia N900, the weight is mostly in the lower half (the keyboard half), with the top half only being the screen itself. This means that the bit you hold and type on is the heavier one.
With your project, is the top (screen/phone) half heavier than the keyboard, and if so, does that mean it feels top heavy if you're holding it by the keyboard only, and feel like it might topple to the ground?
How's the battery life on the keyboard? It would be annoying to have to charge it every day like the phone itself.
Which exact keyboard did you use? Did you take any pics of the making process, to turn it into a sort of tutorial?
EDIT: Have you done this, or seen it done by others, on different model phones?
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I haven't measured the weight yet but I will do that later today and add it to the first post. The weight is 228g. For me it is pretty light weigh compared to the size. (Xiaomi Mi 4C itself weights 132g). The weight distribution is pretty stable. I mean if I open the keyboard and leave the phone to the table it will stay steady. I can even push the screen part and it will go back where it was. It doesn't feel that it is going to flip when I'm holding it. Of course there is more weight in the screen part but it is pretty stable.
The battery life of the keyboard is very good. I don't even know how long it will last. I have been charging the keyboard once a week. For phone I got 4h SOT in one charge with bluetooth always on. Sorry, I didn't take any pictures during the process. However, here is one picture when I was testing this combination with double-sided tape. Back then there was nasty cap between case and phone. I filled that cap with Sugru™. I don't know if anyone else has done this kind of mod excluding The Solutor. Althought I have found this: Turning Samsung galaxy note 4 (SM-N910F) into a mobile pc
I believe that I bought this one: Mini Bluetooth V3.0 Ultra-thin Wireless Slide-Out Keyboard case cover for iPhone 6 (4.7). I bought it from different seller from ebay and it was cheaper but the name is same (V3.0).
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For my similar project you've already seen, I've used tasker to automate the phone unlock and horizontal rotation when the NUU keyboard slides out and so connects to BT.
On NUU keuboard there isn't nothing that inform the phone that the keyboard is closed, other than the BT disconnection timeout.
So i made a number of conditions to get practical the exit from the qwerty mode.
The phone turned in vertical, if the screen went in standby, if the phone was oriented verctically, and if a physical button was long pushed.
With tasker I had also the automated soft keyboard switch, because the SW keyboard I wanted to use with the vertical keyboard wasn't physical keyboard friendly. So I used two different sw keyboards that switched automatically depending if the phone was landscape or portrait mode.
The landscape keyboard could be the simple null keyboard, if you don't care about the spell checking function.
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Actually you were an inspiration for me, thank you . I will check what Tasker can do for me. For now I think that bluetooth timeout method is too slow. I think that double tab is much faster and easier.
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Actually you were an inspiration for me, thank you .
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Thanks
I will check what Tasker can do for me. For now I think that bluetooth timeout method is too slow.
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Well, I wrote too quickly, and I wanted to be brief just beacause I don't want to hijiak other's threads.
Anyway, the BT timeout didn't require tasker at all. It's just an internal timeout of the NUU keyboard.
What tasker did in that scenario, was the exit contition:
Enter condition ---> the keyboard slides out and connects to BT. Tasker rotates the screen, switches the keyboard, unlocks the phone (if needed) and so on.
On BT timeout (which is managed by the keyboard)--- tasker reverted the above actions.
Additionally I made a number of other conditions to force the exit task.
The phone is hold vertically for a second or so, the screen is turned off (because the power button was pushed, or because the phone turned it off), a physical button was long pushed, and maybe others that I don't remember.
Obviously there only your fantasy is the limit. You can choose a gesture, a tap combination, a shake action...
Whatever tasker and its plugins are able to manage...
Want to make me one? How much do you want?
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Want to make me one? How much do you want?
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Maybe it is better that you make it by yourself. I believe that shipping cost etc. would cost too much for you.
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First I cut the edges from the case, drilled hole for a speaker and made the camera hole little bit bigger for flash light. Then I just glued phone and case together. Because I cut the edges from the case there was about 1-3mm meeting between case and phone. I filled the cap with Sugru™.
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I was wondering about the reason for cutting off the edges and then filling the gap with Sugru. I don't have the parts yet, but I assume the problem is that the phone is slightly too large to sit within the keyboard case edges as manufactured?
It would be great if there was a way to simply remove the phone from the keyboard case just by pulling the phone out, as you can do with the iPhone 6 the case is designed for. Would there be any way to modify the case to make that possible?
Also, is the back of the keyboard case less slippery than the original Mi 4C back cover?
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I was wondering about the reason for cutting off the edges and then filling the gap with Sugru. I don't have the parts yet, but I assume the problem is that the phone is slightly too large to sit within the keyboard case edges as manufactured?
It would be great if there was a way to simply remove the phone from the keyboard case just by pulling the phone out, as you can do with the iPhone 6 the case is designed for. Would there be any way to modify the case to make that possible?
Also, is the back of the keyboard case less slippery than the original Mi 4C back cover?
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Yes Mi4C doesn't fit to the iPhone case properly. If you want removable keyboard case then you can buy a cover case for Mi4C. Then just glue the cover case and keyboard case together. You can also pull out the whole sliding mechanism like this (not my modification):
There is pretty good grip in the keyboard case. Much less slippery than Mi4C.
Thanks.
Looking around, I've found someone doing something similar. A few years old, but may be useful for some ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cu6UCobKyY
I've just bought one of those sliding keyboards for iPhone 6. It looks a little different to your one - mine looks like:
Specifically, mine has a sliding power switch on the left, a Bluetooth sync button above that, the space bar is only two normal letters width rather than three, it has an extra "clover" button on the right of the space bar, the labelling is different on some keys to the left, and the keys in general look flatter than yours.
I haven't tried modding it yet, but I'm a bit put off by the power switch, as I would rather not have to switch the keyboard off and on manually. Does your keyboard have a power switch on it too, somewhere else?
I know that beggars can't be choosers, but having tried this keyboard for a while (in conjunction with a Nexus 7 (2013), as I don't actually have a Mi 4C yet), there are some aspects of it which aren't perfect.
For a start, the keys are quite clicky, much more so than my Xperia Pro or Nokia N900, making it noisier to use whenever there is someone else around.
I would like there to be a Ctrl key - I've been trying to use External Keyboard Helper to map keys, and the ideal one looks like the two clover keys, but I can't seem to map those. When I press those keys I get a big animated white border around the entire screen - is that Google Now? I don't know, as I don't use that.
There is also an annoying few seconds delay after pressing a key to wake up the keyboard and the device responding. With my previous phones with intergrated keyboards, they respond straight away. This is presumably just because of Bluetooth and nothing can really be done about that.
The five-row Boxwave keyboard buddy you mention in the second post looks interesting, but I can't seem to find it (or any generic branded clones) on ebay unfortunately.
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I would like there to be a Ctrl key - I've been trying to use External Keyboard Helper to map keys, and the ideal one looks like the two clover keys, but I can't seem to map those. When I press those keys I get a big animated white border around the entire screen - is that Google Now? I don't know, as I don't use that.
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It's been a while since I did that phone, but, assuming you're rooted you should be able to adjust the keylayout to your lickings
https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-layout-files.html
There is also an annoying few seconds delay after pressing a key to wake up the keyboard and the device responding.
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I assume that depends on the keyboard used. my NUU keyboard did connect when sliding out, not when the first key was pressed.
Taking account there was a small delay since the connection, because tasker had to wakeup and unlock the phone (if locked and/or sleeping) and to force the horizontal orientation (and optionally to swap the SW keyboard with something mechanical friendly like swiftkey or touchpal), I had no perceivable delay on the first key pressed.
P.S. Guys please resize a bit such huge images before posting them.
They break the forum layout using the classic skin (the yellow one)
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It's been a while since I did that phone, but, assuming you're rooted you should be able to adjust the keylayout to your lickings
https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-layout-files.html
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That's a good pointer, I'll look into that. It would be good to remap the keys without using External Keyboard Helper.
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I assume that depends on the keyboard used. my NUU keyboard did connect when sliding out, not when the first key was pressed.
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Unfortunately the keyboard I was trying doesn't seem to have any kind of sensor that would know when the keyboard was slid out or not.
I followed Flash-A-Holic's great example and built a cover for Huawei P8 Lite.
Here's the process:
http://symbioosi.blogspot.fi/2016/11/how-to-physical-keyboard-for-huawei-p8.html
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I followed Flash-A-Holic's great example and built a cover for Huawei P8 Lite.
Here's the process:
http://symbioosi.blogspot.fi/2016/11/how-to-physical-keyboard-for-huawei-p8.html
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Did you just apply a back case from another casing to the bluetooth keyboard of a slider case?
Super happy to have found this thread. I'm using my Motorola Droid 4, but it's lost its GPS antenna, and I'm really tempted to jump at this Moto G4 Plus... Just held it in-store at Best Buy, and it feels massive, something I wouldn't type on with just one hand holding it. I just want landscape QWERTY keyboard functionality!
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I followed Flash-A-Holic's great example and built a cover for Huawei P8 Lite.
Here's the process:
http://symbioosi.blogspot.fi/2016/11/how-to-physical-keyboard-for-huawei-p8.html
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After being disappointed by Blackberry's attempts at a physical keyboard, I'm back to strongly considering this approach. Your blog post is a great inspiration for finally upgrading my Motorola Photon Q LTE to something that can run something more than Android 4.1.2...
What's the most powerful android phone in roughly the right form-factor for this keyboard case? I see you're ripping off the iPhone case part and attaching a proper case for the Huawei, and I'd do similar, but I'd want the whole thing to be vaguely the right shape. Like, attaching this keyboard to a Pixel XL would just be silly, but there aren't that many android phones around the size of the iPhone 6/7.
Finding decent accessories for this tablet is hard. Especially when it comes to cases as many of them are poorly made. A few days ago I went to Best Buy and bought the 'Universal Folio' by Logitech, however, I wasn't planning on doing so. My intentions were to buy a USB keyboard designed for tablets, and they already had some in stock of what I had looked at the least time I was there. I also needed a case. So I thought, why not kill two birds with one stone and buy it. The salesman let me open and look at it. I was impressed.
Initially I was going to pass at it. The front of the box says "Fits most 9-10in tablets." (This is a Kindle 8.9 and when it comes to Amazon products vs. accessories, yes size does matter). I flipped the box and read ALL of the back. On the right side, the last supported product listed, 'Amazon Kindle Fire 8.9 (HDX included). Score!
Retail at Best Buy was $59.99, ten dollars cheaper than the USB keyboard (not a case). Open it up, insert tablet under the two bottom tabs. Push up on both corners of the clamps on both sides and insert the upper half of the tablet below the clamps, allowing them to grasp it into place. You have a fully functional QWERTY keyboard, which is confusing to setup. Pull the yellow tag out of the battery case and switch on the Folio. Looking at the top right of the keyboard, you will see the F12 key which also has a Bluetooth symbol on it. Make sure you are in the tablet's Bluetooth settings and make sure the tablet's Bluetooth is on, and the folio is turned on. Press the bluetooth symbol (F12) on the folio and also tap it on your tablet. Select your options in the pop up box and tap ok. Enter their given pin number when it's displayed. You have about 10 seconds to enter it so be quick or you'll have to try again. No box will pop up, so just type the pin quickly and hit the enter key on the folio when done.
All in all, this is a really cool accessory. I give it 4 out of 5 stars and recommend it to anyone. My favorite part: it looks like a laptop Pictures attached.
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/universal-folio-tablet-keyboard-case
I wanted to get more out of this setup and wanted to get a mouse. Two things to know: 1) Although the tablets support USB OTG, they do not supply the port with enough power so the standard USB mouse, used with an OTG adapter, will NOT work. 2) A standard wireless mouse with the clip, also will NOT work.
So now I was left with the final option, Bluetooth. I wasn't sure if these tablets would run two Bluetooth devices at one time. I figured it was only $20 for a Bluetooth mouse, so I had nothing too much to lose. I again went to Best Website and looked for one. I got an HP Bluetooth mouse for $18.99, $20 off retail for Black Friday. Batteries were included (2 AA). Simply pull out the paper tab, turn on the Bluetooth on both devices, and select the mouse on your tablet. No pin number is required. Connection is near instant.
Since nearly everyone has rooted, TWRPed and rommed by now, you can I stall the Xposed Framework and install a module called 'Disable full screen keyboard.' this will add a toggle to a notification in the statusbar that allows you to turn off and on, the full screen keyboard "for any keyboard" allowing you the full physical keyboard experience. See attached photos below.
Disadvantages:
1) you may have trouble using this on your actual lap. The tow clips located on the bottom of the tablet, which hold the tablet in place when in the laptop format, pull up on the plastic ever so slightly when leaned back too far. This causes the connection between the battery and the folio, to become separated which causes the folio to constantly reconnect when pressing the screen too hard.
2) There's no padding between the screen and keyboard. The clips put about 1/4 inch between the screen and keyboard so make sure it's secure and the strap is pulled over properly or you'll scratch the screen big time.
3) Pressing the keys too quick or too hard will cause you to type double letters. This happens a lot for me. So if you're used to really pounding on the keys, you'll have to adjust your pressure.
4) The instructions are vague. If I hadn't figured out how to set it up on my own, it would've gone back to the store.
Issues with mouse?
I've recently been using a mouse with my tablet over Bluetooth but in most apps the "click" isn't working I have show touches on and obviously with my finger it shows up but with a mouse is does not, any chance you know a way round this? Cheers
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I've recently been using a mouse with my tablet over Bluetooth but in most apps the "click" isn't working I have show touches on and obviously with my finger it shows up but with a mouse is does not, any chance you know a way round this? Cheers
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Are you rooted? If so with or without a custom rom?
Sent from my Amazon KFSUWI using XDA Labs
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Are you rooted? If so with or without a custom rom?
Sent from my Amazon KFSUWI using XDA Labs
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I am running a old ROM, I've figured it out now for anyone that is interested.
Simply download the octopus app from play store and launch your desired app you want to use a mouse on through that works flawlessly. Thankyou for your time.