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Security storage app? Consumes 98% battery

I have the app android booster to monitor battery use. When I go to applications everything is at 1% and 2% but the android process "security storage" is consuming 98% battery? Does anyone know what this is? Is there a way to minimize it or can I freeze it with Titanium Backup?
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I wish I knew as it's killing my battery also, I'm thinking I'll have to reflash or even odin back to stock before I'll get rd of the battery drain caused by secure storage, I found out it's com.android.providers.security that started secure storage but not much else

I see nobody is addressing this issue, or even explaining it. Too bad, as I'm having the same issue. The annoying part is, no matter what kernel I run, the same thing happens: The phone will sit sedately idle until I want to use it, then the minute I try to do something "Security Storage" starts running and the phone becomes non-responsive for 30 seconds to a minute or two while that stupid app is running.
Why can't this app do its maintenance while the phone is idle, rather than the minute the user wants to do something, or be forced into "nice" mode (don't know if Android has such a setting, but it's based on linux and linux does have such a setting) so that it's only allowed to hog the CPU when the phone is idling.

change build prop ro.securestorage to false

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
change build prop ro.securestorage to false
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I just registered to say THANK YOU to this man. :good:
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I've noticed a lot of system resources get wasted even after removing the knox apps and enterprise and container agent stuff that comes on samsung phones. I mean, I guess its good as an option to have if you have use for it. Problem is tho, for ppl like me, its also built into the system in order to make those implementations effective and when you install a custom ROM and or kernel it causes errors. I think thats why some people dont like touchwiz ROMs and think theyre laggy. When the kernel and system are not synced anymore, crap goes on in the background that is just a waste. I still dont know much really, but I spent some time trying to fugure out how to disable some loggers and errors that were going on and were pissing me off. Here is a link to a post I ran across that helped shed some light on some stuff. Be careful tho, and if you don't know what your doing, spend some time to learn about what all that stuff does, because it's system stuff and you could find yourself in a bootloop or with an expensive azz brick http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2599266

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interestingly using icyfusion rom and terrasilent kernel, I cannot find this line in my build.prop. anyone else not seeing it there? secure storage is eating up at least 20% constantly of battery/cpu accord to elixir2. My battery drain continues to plague the device and I can only get about 1-2 hours of light use out of it while it continues to drain when screen is off. All I want to do is use it to listen to some tunes and I'm regretting rooting the device now. Refreshing to stock, wiping everything...formatting etc. has no effect. Has anyone solved this problem (presumably related to secure storage?) with another method?
(yp-g1 us version, currently on GB 2.3.5 stock, rooted with terrasilent kernel).

klemmaniac said:
interestingly using icyfusion rom and terrasilent kernel, I cannot find this line in my build.prop..... currently on GB 2.3.5 stock, rooted with terrasilent kernel).
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have you tried any current builds?

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have you tried any current builds?
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I tried CM11 which worked fine for a week or so and then all of the sudden the battery drain problem appeared. I didn't check the build.prop when on that because I decided to reflash to stock and start from scratch trying different roms/kernels. I can't shake the battery drain now no matter what I do - factory reset full wipe, you name it. I guess I could try installing cm11 again and see if it is in the build.prop then?? I just don't know how to proceed at this point.

My suggestion would be to go into developer options and take a look at process stats to see if there are any rogue processes running that you don't need. You can also download and install BetterBatteryStats app from here on XDA or purchase the paid version from the play store so that you can specifically pinpoint what is causing your device problems. Also, older devices often need batteries replaced because they wear out. I don't think the secure storage bug affects AOSP based ROMs since it is related to Samsung's Knox. Another tip would be to use a build prop editor app that has a search function to make finding things easier.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
My suggestion would be to go into developer options and take a look at process stats to see if there are any rogue processes running that you don't need. You can also download and install BetterBatteryStats app from here on XDA or purchase the paid version from the play store so that you can specifically pinpoint what is causing your device problems. Also, older devices often need batteries replaced because they wear out. I don't think the secure storage bug affects AOSP based ROMs since it is related to Samsung's Knox. Another tip would be to use a build prop editor app that has a search function to make finding things easier.
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thanks for the suggestions, but it's all similar to what I've already tried. I did use Elixir2 and another battery status app to monitor things, and I have also gone through running process and disabled everything that I don't need. I did order a new battery just to check, but I don't think that's the problem. The top part of the case (where the CPU is running I presume, not the battery) is getting very hot, so there is some problem with a program or service overheating the CPU which in turn drains the battery. I just charged to full today and turned the screen off so that the device will sleep. 2 hours later, it is dead. I checked battery stats in settings and there is no indication that the device wakes while screen is off...I'm just totally at a loss. It's almost like it's a hardware issue maybe caused by a kernel or something like that, rather than an app or service. I just have no idea. Someone in another forum advised me to flash to stock and run a logcat app and post results..so I guess I'll do that. I'm worried though, because I was googling prices for ipod touches earlier today....I don't want to go back to the dark side...but I just want a device that works and I can listen to music for more than 30 minutes too.

klemmaniac said:
thanks for the suggestions, but it's all similar to what I've already tried. I did use Elixir2 and another battery status app to monitor things, and I have also gone through running process and disabled everything that I don't need. I did order a new battery just to check, but I don't think that's the problem. The top part of the case (where the CPU is running I presume, not the battery) is getting very hot, so there is some problem with a program or service overheating the CPU which in turn drains the battery. I just charged to full today and turned the screen off so that the device will sleep. 2 hours later, it is dead. I checked battery stats in settings and there is no indication that the device wakes while screen is off...I'm just totally at a loss. It's almost like it's a hardware issue maybe caused by a kernel or something like that, rather than an app or service. I just have no idea. Someone in another forum advised me to flash to stock and run a logcat app and post results..so I guess I'll do that. I'm worried though, because I was googling prices for ipod touches earlier today....I don't want to go back to the dark side...but I just want a device that works and I can listen to music for more than 30 minutes too.
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turn gps off

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turn gps off
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thanks, but that was one of the first things I turned off. I only want to use the device for music listening and quick browsing/email. I shut off wifi when not using and leave it in airplane mode as well....definitely something internally wrong with the device somewhere that goes beyong changing the usual battery draining settings. Still have the logcat running and the device is making very strange noises I've never heard before...popping, screeching scratchy sounds....very strange...things just seem to be getting worse and I'm worried I'm quickly heading to an expensive paper weight situation... Battery continues to drain at 20% or more/hour with screen off. I think after this if no progress is made,...I may try to unroot the device, but I don't know if that will solve the problem and will undo the damage already done.

[Q] Performance: k3g_wq, what is it?

My Charge has seen decreasing performance. I'm running 2.3.6, the last TBH leak, and I was initially getting Quadrant scores as high as the 1400's. Now, I'm down around 700! Needless to say, the phone has gotten laggy.
I'm using OSMonitor to look at what processes are busy, and I keep seeing k3g_wq running, using anywhere from 20% to just under 40%. Never used to see it before. I figure it's a system process, as if I kill it, it starts back right away and always has the PID of 54.
I've searched here and with Google and I can't find anything about what this process is. From the name, I might guess it has something to do with 3g access, but it's running like that even when I go into airplane mode.
Thanks for any info.

just a suggestion but since GB has officially been released i would wipe cashe,dalvik and data. Then flash infinity, tweak stock or danalo's stock debloated/deoxided rom. Then flash imoseyon's repacked voodoo kernel. you will get a quadrant score of around 2000. Im currently running infinity ext4 without tsm, imoseyon's kernel and v6 script. its been pretty good for me so far. i have no complaints.
But if anybody else has a better setup. I myself would like to know as well

Wow, that's quite a prescription! For now, I'd just like to know what that process is and why it's running, so I can try to get it to back down.
Thanks for the tips. BTW, I was running voodoo lagfix back in the day, and it got me quadrant scores similar to what I was getting with this GB ROM (not 2K, but 1600 wasn't unusual); I'd like to get back to that point. Without necessarily starting over.

You're basically going to have to. The TBH leak is really old.
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The TBH leak isn't that old (I downloaded it on Nov 7th), and the age of it doesn't make kernel processes run away. It's GB 2.3.6, basically the same as the latest OTA. And it only started doing this recently.
I'm afraid either something I've installed recently is triggering this (the better option, as I can start uninstalling stuff until the problem goes away), or there is something gone wonky with the hardware itself that the kernel is reacting to (obviously the worst case). That wouldn't surprise me, as this is my 3rd Charge, the first two having had lost their minds, running really hot and then rebooting every few minutes (this on the stock OS, rooted with the voodoo lagfix kernel).
More data (if there's anyone out there who actually knows what that kernel process is): OS Monitor's "messages" list is flooded with this:
"k3g_work_func: fifo entries are less than we want"
I get dozens of these PER SECOND.
Again, if anyone has any insight on what that process is about, glad to hear from you. Those who say "Nuke and pave!", not so much.

Fifo is an io scheduler if I remember correctly. Try changing it and seeing what happens.
"Nuke and pave" still seems like the best option.
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Fifo is an io scheduler if I remember correctly. Try changing it and seeing what happens.
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Fifo is a general term for a queue -- "first in/first out". Many kernel processes live their lives managing queues. This one is complaining about it's queue being shorter (fewer entries) than it thinks it should have.
Did I see your name attached to a thread about trying to compile a kernel? If so, would you do me a favor, so I don't have to get all into git so I can get to the AOSP code, and grep for "k3g" and/or "k3g_wq" (still sounds to me like like "kernel 3g worker queue") and see if you can see what it does? Nothing in depth, just in general what it handles.
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"Nuke and pave" still seems like the best option.
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Funny thing happened today. It was getting worse and worse. Battery stats showed a shocking thing--for the first time ever, Display wasn't the biggest battery hog, it was Android OS!
So I decided to just reboot, to see if I could get it back to good enough to do backups and start the nuke-n-pave process. I had rebooted a few times over the last few days, and it didn't solve anything. Today it did! Back to normal, and I ran Quadrant twice and got a 16xx on the second run. Nice. A few hours later, and it's still good. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Oh, I had also uninstalled DropBox (which I wasn't using yet anyway) and this massive Gameloft game, "Tintin". Those didn't help, before reboot. But maybe those, coupled with the reboot, did.
I may still nuke and pave, but probably with the stock GB and just root after that. And keep hoping the CyanogenMod comes out with a ROM for it.
Thanks.

I'm gonna revive this thread because I have a similar problem. My dad's charge is fully stock. He has never messed with anything. It was fine the whole time he had it except today. He has not used it at all today (10m screen time in 12 hours, and half of that was me trying to fix it) and the battery drained down to 30% all by itself. Me being the tech guy, he gave it to me and I checked battery usage. Android OS was reported to be using 89%. Cell standby was at 3%, and display came in last at 2%.
Since "Android OS" is very generic, I used adb to put the xda version of betterbatterystats on his phone, and under process, there is this thing called "k3g_wq" with almost a full bar. Under other, it shows the phone being awake 98.2% of the time. This problem only arose today. As he has not used the phone at all, there would be no rogue apps unless something just turned up. I disabled automatic updates in the market since the stock tunewiki app updated its permissions to read SMS (spyware???).
Does anyone have a solution to this besides factory reset?

K3G is a sensor, specifically the level sensor. Not sure why it would take up system resources, but I would think turning off auto screen rotation may be one method to try and limit its use and battery drain.

See my posts on k3g_wq above. Note that I found error log message about it not having enough entries--thus my supposition that wq == worker queue. If imnuts says it's a level sensor, then that's got to be it; from the name, I figured k was for kernel and 3g was...well...3g.
In my case, I was able to see it using OS Monitor (free in the market), using consistently about 30% of the CPU, which resulted in the OS being the largest consumer of battery.
And, for me, it finally just stopped doing it, after one more reboot. Hasn't come back. But every time the phone gets a bit laggy, I go look at that process list.
On another note, we're using my Charge at work as a test phone for our Android app, as it makes it blow up like no other device we have.

I have noticed a sensor leak associated with google maps. Try opening maps in that phone, exit out of it and see if sensor usage persists. I hadn't mentioned it before assuming it was unique to my device.
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I also notice runaway usage of k3g_wq in the last week. I have stock OTA EP4 and it had been running fine for many weeks with no issue. So there has to be something that changed recently. My guesses are the new version of Google Maps, or new version of Tiny Flashlight with the "shake on lockscreen" feature. I don't see Tiny Flashlight running any services, but since I disabled the shake on lockscreen feature my k3g_wq usage seems to be OK.

I factory reset the phone and the problem disappeared.
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Ooooh, I just had the k3g_wq high usage issue while actively using my phone. OS Monitor showed it using 40% of processor all the time. So I tried the following:
1) disable auto-rotation. No impact.
2) started and exited maps. No impact.
3) Unistalled maps update and tiny flashlight. No impact.
3) Turned off wifi, GPS, data, BT. No impact.
4) Killed every running service that would stay killed. No impact.
5) Rebooted. This fixed it for now.
This makes me think back to the flash destroying early leak of GB for the Fascinate. This ROM would also have a similar process that got stuck using lots of CPU. On that dirty ROM, auto rotation needed to be enabled to see the issue. However once you had the problem, it wouldn't go away until reboot. The only safe thing was to disable auto rotation, reboot, and never reenable. Perhaps the Charge is now the same.
My opinion of Android and Samsung is not improving. In fact I do have some anger issues.
Give me a freaking iPhone at this point, I'll do anything for a quality engineered and tested device that actually works out of the box. Android and Google are sloppy if nothing else. Open sloppy mind you.

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Ooooh, I just had the k3g_wq high usage issue while actively using my phone. OS Monitor showed it using 40% of processor all the time. So I tried the following:
1) disable auto-rotation. No impact.
2) started and exited maps. No impact.
3) Unistalled maps update and tiny flashlight. No impact.
3) Turned off wifi, GPS, data, BT. No impact.
4) Killed every running service that would stay killed. No impact.
5) Rebooted. This fixed it for now.
This makes me think back to the flash destroying early leak of GB for the Fascinate. This ROM would also have a similar process that got stuck using lots of CPU. On that dirty ROM, auto rotation needed to be enabled to see the issue. However once you had the problem, it wouldn't go away until reboot. The only safe thing was to disable auto rotation, reboot, and never reenable. Perhaps the Charge is now the same.
My opinion of Android and Samsung is not improving. In fact I do have some anger issues.
Give me a freaking iPhone at this point, I'll do anything for a quality engineered and tested device that actually works out of the box. Android and Google are sloppy if nothing else. Open sloppy mind you.
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Must resist urge to flame... Seriously though, I think it's just good practice to get used to flashing ROMs, making backups, and learning to mod your phone. I've had some curious problems that only a reflash would solve. In any case, the only thing worth a damn on the iPhone 4S is the camera. The internals are fast, but what's the point?

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Must resist urge to flame... Seriously though, I think it's just good practice to get used to flashing ROMs, making backups, and learning to mod your phone. I've had some curious problems that only a reflash would solve. In any case, the only thing worth a damn on the iPhone 4S is the camera. The internals are fast, but what's the point?
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If you're a geek and have time to flash and mod, that's great for you. I used to be in this camp. Now I just want my phone to work without contanstaintly modifying it, babysitting process and battery life. I want a phone I could recommended to ANY friend or parent without worrying. The Charge definately isn't it.
My brief history in Android:
Samsung Fascinate: got tired of poor battery life and runaway processes.
Samsung Charge: got tired of poor battery life and runaway processed. Also, voice quality is horrendous.
Samsung Galaxy Nexus: Tons of reviews of runaway "Android OS" proccessed during idle. Voice quality is bad and outbound audio drops.
With each generation, problems weren't fixed and Google/Samsung continue their careless ways. To me its just sloppy, sloppy, execution.

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I'll do anything for a quality engineered and tested device that actually works out of the box. Android and Google are sloppy if nothing else. Open sloppy mind you.
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You're running a leaked, unofficial build that was part of the testing process, not the result of the testing process. If it's a software related problem (either due to a rogue app or to a bug with the leaked build), there's no one to blame but yourself for installing it. If it's a hardware related issue on the other hand, there's probably warranty coverage that would cover the problem.
Go back to stock, OTA, unrooted. See if the problem persists. Reinstall your apps. See if the problem persists. If it does, your phone will be "stock" and you can pursue a warranty claim.

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You're running a leaked, unofficial build that was part of the testing process, not the result of the testing process. If it's a software related problem (either due to a rogue app or to a bug with the leaked build), there's no one to blame but yourself for installing it. If it's a hardware related issue on the other hand, there's probably warranty coverage that would cover the problem.
Go back to stock, OTA, unrooted. See if the problem persists. Reinstall your apps. See if the problem persists. If it does, your phone will be "stock" and you can pursue a warranty claim.
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No man, i already mentioned, I'm stock OTA EP4. I'm also unrooted.

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No man, i already mentioned, I'm stock OTA EP4. I'm also unrooted.
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Sorry, thought you were OP
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k3g_wq ... it came back, and then I killed it, I think
OP here.
Today I was looking at my Charge and marveling at how I was getting pretty good performance but better battery life due to my latest tweaks in SetCPU, when I looked at battery usage: Android OS was creeping up on Display as juice-user No. 1.
Uh oh.
So back to OS Monitor, and sure enough, there's k3g_wq on a steady 25-30% of the CPU.
Opened and closed Maps--no luck.
Killed its process in the process list in OS Monitor (it appeared to be swapped out, but what the heck)--no luck.
Opened another cool app called Elixir that shows you sensors, and lets you enable/disable them. Hrm...gyroscope, rotation and orientation sensors. All were off; turned each on, then back off.
Looked in OS Monitor and...YES! k3g_wq is gone!
Wild guess time, but apparently the start-up/shut-down of whichever sensor it is doesn't always work right, and leaves that service looking for its momma (that's a highly technical description of the problem, sniff).
Anyway, if you're seeing k3g_wq running wild, give that a try. Next time I do, I'll try them one at a time, see which one does the trick (assuming it's only one).
LDog
PS -- Kudos again to imnuts for letting us know it's the level sensor. Or sensors.

Horrible Battery Life

Hello All,
I have (2) N5's (one white, one black). I've noticed that battery life on the black one is extremely bad. I'm almost always near a charger, so it was quite a shock when I noticed the black one down to 37% by noon. The next day I swapped phones and never saw the charge on the white one drop below 97%. I wiped both phones and configured each identically and was able to duplicate very similar results over the next few days. This morning I decided to see what happened when I did not connect to a charger. My use has been almost nothing (5 mins of screen time, 3 hrs off battery), yet my phone is already at 81%. I notice "Android OS" is using approx 50% of the battery. I do have a few apps that run in the background and I also leave GPS, BT, mobile and wifi on all of the time, however this is no different than how I used the white one or any previous phones. I suspect this is a hardware problem, however I would like to try to pinpoint the cause to satisfy my own curiosity. Can anyone recommend specific apps/tools that would provide more detailed information about what is going on with the different subsystems (battery, cpu, radios, storage, etc) that could help me find the problem? Thank you.

Do some searching and reading.

It's your apps. Not a hardware problem.
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Do a complete factory restore on both, with full charge, Then don't touch them at all, the post results
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You have a wakelock obviously. My Android OS does the same thing, but it doesnt destroy the battery that bad. My wakelock is wlan_rx_wake, and its very annoying to get rid of. Still havent found a way to kill it yet.

I've noticed if you turn the location settings to "Device only" the Nexus 5 sips battery, while the screen is off, because it isn't always waking itself 1,000+ times a day to report your location.

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Pretty sure that's what I'm doing?
It's your apps. Not a hardware problem.
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I initially thought the same thing; however, I did not install any apps after wiping the phone, yet the problem remains. Also, I do not have this problem on my other N5 with all of my normal apps installed and configured for normal use.
Do a complete factory restore on both, with full charge, Then don't touch them at all, the post results
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I did this... mostly. After wiping both phones (by reflashing the factory image) I did charge both to 100% before using them. Unfortunately, I am on-call 24/7 and have to use one phone at all times. I did keep usage as identical as possible. I did this by not installing any apps and charging at the same times for the same amount of time. Also, my commute and time at work/home/elsewhere was almost identical. Of course there are some things that are out of my control (call, sms, emails, etc received), however it was certainly not enough to account for the difference I am seeing. If I take the phones off the charger at 7A, and use as little as possible, the white one will be >90% where the black one with be <40% by noon.
You have a wakelock obviously. My Android OS does the same thing, but it doesnt destroy the battery that bad. My wakelock is wlan_rx_wake, and its very annoying to get rid of. Still havent found a way to kill it yet.
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This very well may be. How did you find out that your wakelock is wlan_rx_wake? This is what I'm really seeking - app recommendations or other ways to acquire this in-depth information. I've done some googling, but many of the apps that I've seen recommended do not work with KitKat. What I find most odd is how the white N5 with a 100% identical configuration does not have this problem.
I've noticed if you turn the location settings to "Device only" the Nexus 5 sips battery, while the screen is off, because it isn't always waking itself 1,000+ times a day to report your location.
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Thank you. I suspect this would make a difference, however I am basing my expected usage on what I get with the white N5 with the same configuration. I did not change any settings on either and would like to see them similar with the same configuration. Once the issue is worked out, I will definitely take your advice and change this setting to increase my battery life.
Thank you all.

Did you download the firmware from Google then flash it in bootloader? Also you need to flash both phones to stock, Then not install any apps or settings on both so there both the same. That's a fair test.
If you can't do this, Then this thread is pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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Did you download the firmware from Google then flash it in bootloader? Also you need to flash both phones to stock, Then not install any apps or settings on both so there both the same. That's a fair test.
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Yes, I downloaded and flashed the stock image from Google. I run stock on all of my Nexus devices. I did not install any apps, however I had to setup E-Mail and modify my APN settings.
If you can't do this, Then this thread is pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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Why the attitude? You're clearly a helpful person, based on the time you spend helping others on here. If you're having a bad day or dealing with some personal issues, I sincerely hope things get better for you. If you really have a problem with my test constraints, then please move along. As a UNIX Administrator for the past 15 years, and a component-level electronics tech for 5 years before that, I can tell you from experience that the real world simply does not always provide for ideal conditions. While I agree that a 100% identical setup is preferred as a control, it's simply not an option. Even with my constraints, there is no way the number of emails and texts that I sent/received on a given day are the cause here. All that said, the point of this thread was to gain insight into how I can find more detailed information about what is going on with the various subsystems - either app recommendations or other tools. Much of the information I've found has been high-level - Settings > Battery or BetterBatteryStats (which doesn't work with KitKat AFAIK).
Thank you.

Without the 100% identical test, it's a guessing game.
I don't have an attitude, if I did, I would have told you my credentials, but I didn't think that had anything to do with this thread...
I'm not being a smart-ass buddy, and I do like to help on here as much as possible or as much as my knowledge can allow me.
Better battery stats, is for sure your best bet, that app is a must have for trouble shooting. I'm sure within a few days, there will be a update.
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Android 4.4.2 Improvements...?

Hi. I want to buy the new Nexus 5 from Google/LG and i want to ask about the Android 4.4.2 update.
I have read that there were issues (again similar to the Nexus 4) that there were occasional wifi signal dropouts, weak speakers, screen quality and the camera.
Has these problems been resolved with the update?
Please advice. Thanks.

The sound of the speaker is average! It's a hardware thing, no software update can change it.. If you want some boost, you will need to root it and install a sound mod like Viper4android...
No wifi signal dropouts here. Whaatttttt??? The screen on this beast is a real BEAUT!
The camera is pretty good and can manage decent shots.

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Hi. I want to buy the new Nexus 5 from Google/LG and i want to ask about the Android 4.4.2 update.
I have read that there were issues (again similar to the Nexus 4) that there were occasional wifi signal dropouts, weak speakers, screen quality and the camera.
Has these problems been resolved with the update?
Please advice. Thanks.
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Never had wifi problem, speaker is easily fixed and they addressed it in 4.4.2, my screen is perfect, and my camera is perfect.
This nice man made a volume boost mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2532788
and this nice man made a camera mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061

As i have mentioned in my other thread i'm not into modding or rooting as for me its too technical and i would rather air my complaints (and suggestions) to Google et al and wait for the official updates be it minor or major.
This is my 2nd-ever Nexus phone. The other one being the Nexus 4 and i didn't like it as there were just too many issues and problems hardware-wide and also software.
I would like to give this phone a chance and i hope the unit i got from Carphone Warehouse is free from hardware "abnormalities" and problems as they don't offer refunds anymore and only just exchange.
I heard after the 4.4.2 update there were still issues with the camera like it tends to over compensate or over saturate in some instances. The contrast algorithim (or whatever they call it) was tweaked but somewhat of a hit n' miss depending on the time of the day. True?
Also, how's is the shutter lag? (i.e. in-between shots) Is it a lot faster now than the N4? My old Galaxy S3 and my current iPhone 5C has an almost zero shutter lag which will benefit me.

gino_76ph said:
As i have mentioned in my other thread i'm not into modding or rooting as for me its too technical and i would rather air my complaints (and suggestions) to Google et al and wait for the official updates be it minor or major.
This is my 2nd-ever Nexus phone. The other one being the Nexus 4 and i didn't like it as there were just too many issues and problems hardware-wide and also software.
I would like to give this phone a chance and i hope the unit i got from Carphone Warehouse is free from hardware "abnormalities" and problems as they don't offer refunds anymore and only just exchange.
I heard after the 4.4.2 update there were still issues with the camera like it tends to over compensate or over saturate in some instances. The contrast algorithim (or whatever they call it) was tweaked but somewhat of a hit n' miss depending on the time of the day. True?
Also, how's is the shutter lag? (i.e. in-between shots) Is it a lot faster now than the N4? My old Galaxy S3 and my current iPhone 5C has an almost zero shutter lag which will benefit me.
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Rooting and stuff is not technical at all, it requires little to no knowledge. Just read the guide threads..

My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
I still would go to the normal route i.e. waiting for official updates based on end-user comments/complaints/issues/suggestions which i do every now and again till Google and those other OEM's realise things.

gino_76ph said:
My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
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Hi,
You can unroot and go back to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513701.
As for viruses and bugs, it's not the root that can cause that but more what you will do after rooting your device... There is no bug, at least no more than a non rooted device, with only rooting your device. It's only if you modify some files system, flash something not stable, or the wrong file and so on. If you install a "crappy" or cracked app with root access (and allow it without know what it does), yes maybe you can encounter some bugs or viruses. It's on the user side...

I have not rooted my phone and it's perfect, i have no complaints whatsoever. I keep refraining myself from rooting tho because of gravitybox, my geeky side keeps telling me to root but i don't right now because i don't need it, but i will definitely do it after a year or something (knowing myself).

gino_76ph said:
My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
I still would go to the normal route i.e. waiting for official updates based on end-user comments/complaints/issues/suggestions which i do every now and again till Google and those other OEM's realise things.
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When using Fastboot and ADB its commands so there is no chance of bugs or viruses.modding is what XDA is all about.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

I could maybe try rooting my device one day. But until then i'm happy with normal updates.
I have been reading about the "fiasco" of 4.4.1 and i just think that Google sometimes don't listen to end-user complaints too quickly and they would rather sit back and wait till the complaints are a mountain high (with the same issues attached to it) until they act.

I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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ej8989 said:
I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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Sorry i can't find the picture thread.

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Sorry i can't find the picture thread.
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Hi,
Here: [PHOTOS] Post Your Pictures and Videos...

ej8989 said:
I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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I have been hearing somewhat conflicting comments that the 4.4.2 camera still has more space for improvements. It can sometimes bring oversaturatedness, greyness, haziness and still weak in the low-light department.
Another issue i heard is the battery seems still not convincingly and dramatically improved from the last time. 3G & 4G signal seems also not perfect. What i mean is if the phone comes from a 3G to a 4G area the phone either reboots itself, turns itself off or would take time to "reconfigure" its software to know that its in a strong 4G signal. Am i making sense?
Is there any truth to this?

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Is there any truth to this?
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Not with respect to my phone.

Still somewhat not convinced. There are still some known issues with 4.4.2 i heard. I'm not too worried about the camera as i believe it is much improved but my other main concern is the battery life.
Some are saying that the "Android system" (or the OS) is the culprit. I'm not an engineer but is it because of maybe the way the OS works or something. I also heard that there are random wifi crashes, phone just turns off by itself and when the phone is actually asleep it drains a lot and then the battery heats up, etc.
I'm sorry to be bringing this issues up buy you hear and read this online and it seems credible. If more than 1 person have been complaining the same thing surely there is truth to the issue.

5Hi,
In my opinion stop the "I heard someone" or "some are saying" and jump the train...
4.4.2 is way better than 4.4/4.4.1 (and yes I ran stock rom in the past ).
About Android usage in battery stats is already discussed here, I mean in this Q&A forum, I have not it, like almost 90% (or more) users, it's on the user side (whatever some other users tends to think). It can happen on 4.4/4.4.1 too... but since a minority of users are still on this version and the updates have been quick, nobody still speak about it.
Wi-Fi crashes, phone turn OFF by itself (on full stock?) it's also a very large minority on stock (I would say never), it could be due to the user too, no?
High battery drain in idle-> mostly user side (rogue app for example). Ans so on...
Don't mixe what your read about some problems between stock rom and custom rom/kernel/mods...., in my opinion (and I'm not alone) all you read is nothing, biased feedback due to some users who don't know how use their phones, install xx and xy apps and after that they are complaining about battery life, bugs and so on
Battery heat (or CPU?), what is heat for you or for the guy who said that? I any case there is thermal throttle to prevent any dammage and you are running a quadcore CPU (with a max CPU freq at 2,26 GHz ) enclosed without thermal cooling so in certain circumstances expect some heat...
If you are not still convinced, hum... don't do anything
Test and see by yourself, sometimes it will be better than read something here and there... . I'm not saying that you are "reported" is false but nonestly it's mostly ******, at least like I said it's not about 4.4.2 itself but user side.
That being said you seem a user easily influenced by some things read or heard here and there, maybe you'll be more influenced by the replies in your thread

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Still somewhat not convinced. There are still some known issues with 4.4.2 i heard. I'm not too worried about the camera as i believe it is much improved but my other main concern is the battery life.
Some are saying that the "Android system" (or the OS) is the culprit. I'm not an engineer but is it because of maybe the way the OS works or something. I also heard that there are random wifi crashes, phone just turns off by itself and when the phone is actually asleep it drains a lot and then the battery heats up, etc.
I'm sorry to be bringing this issues up buy you hear and read this online and it seems credible. If more than 1 person have been complaining the same thing surely there is truth to the issue.
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I have not experienced any of these issues when I was on stock for a week. I suggest you go buy the nexus 5 and return it if you don't like it then try the G2 if you really want amazing battery life. But I assure you, once you experience Nexus, you'll go back to Nexus.

Well, for one thing i had a Nexus 4 and i had to return/sell it because of so many issues. And those same issues have again cropped-up in the stock Nexus 5 4.4/4.4.1/4.4.2. Sounds familiar?
Yes it's true it "could be" a minority who have the same issues but its STILL a minority and its STILL the same issues. It's either the users fault or the phone itself. Yes it could be malicious/battery-draining apps or a ROM that has some bugs, etc. But in the past 6 months i have not heard of a "minority" of HTC One or Galaxy S3/S4 users that have the same issues. Have you? It does tell you something about how the phone was made and how Google pushes its updates.
I know and i'm well aware that the only thing to do is to actually try one. But what if if i try one, got the same problems, do a factory reset, still same problems, have to return/sell the thing and so on. Its such a hassle. That is why i am looking for answers and reviews/comments here. And i truly appreciate all your insights. I really do.
Call me fuzzy or overly-careful. I'm not looking for a "perfect" Google Nexus phone. I just want a phone (and Android phone as such) that works.
Again, as i said i'm not overly worried about the camera because a phone camera can & will never replace a proper one.My other concern is the 4.4.2 battery life. My Nexus 4's battery life was near atrocious. Could not tell you how long (or short) it's battery life is thats is why i got rid of it. But if a number of issues come up with the same battery life issue and battery getting warmer then am i to worry?
My typical day is get up at 6AM, remove the charger on my phone (if it was charged overnight), turn it off or turn the wifi off whilst i have my shower, get on the bus and the train, turn on my mobile data then checking the morning news/weather/notes/Twitter, get on to my work and keep my mobile data (and everything else like wifi, bluetooth, NFC...you know) turned off, turn on my data again for my 30-minute lunch and turn it off when back to my afternoon shift, going back home i listen to some music (a typical journey lasts around 45 minutes) whilst at the same time checking out some tech news on Appy Geek, when i'm at home i turn off my mobile data and connect to my home wifi (kept On till until i wake up again the next morning) whilst in-between supper & shower & bed i check Twiiter again, Instagram, couple of Youtube videos, email, playing a game which would last maybe 30-60 minutes max and that's it. I sleep around 11PM and wake up again around 6AM.
My questions are:
1. Anything to worry about the battery life?
2. Is it wise to install a "battery saving" app on the Play store?
3. Will heat be a factor on my "typical" day on draining my battery life?
4. Is it true the battery life improves after a couple of charges?
The area where i live, where i travel and my work place hasn't got a strong 4G signal. I have no problems with my home broadband/wifi as i typically have a very fast and stable connection. So...
5. Will the phone picking up 3G & 4G signal (switching back & forth and re-initializing again and again) be a factor in a battery drain?
6. What tips can you advice me on how to save battery life on my Nexus 5?
Thanks peeps.

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1. Anything to worry about the battery life?
Based on how you use your phone, not really. Unless there's a hardware defect.
2. Is it wise to install a "battery saving" app on the Play store?
For me, no. I once tried one and it didn't help at all. But there's no harm in trying.
3. Will heat be a factor on my "typical" day on draining my battery life?
A few weeks ago I did some heavy gaming for an hour and the phone was really warm, but I still got >5hrs SoT at the end of the day before charging again.
4. Is it true the battery life improves after a couple of charges?
Yes the battery life is somewhat improved; but what I experienced was that it improves when I stay in the same ROM for some days, and I charge it overnight when the battery is less than 5%.
5. Will the phone picking up 3G & 4G signal (switching back & forth and re-initializing again and again) be a factor in a battery drain?
In my opinion (and experience), yes.
6. What tips can you advice me on how to save battery life on my Nexus 5?
Here's a thread you can analyze: Nexus 5 Battery Results

[RANT] - Lollipop is not great, but tolerable

I was very excited to see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...w-to-update-to-g900voc4-5-0-keeproot-t3068546
So, I pushed ahead thinking that Lollipop has already been in the wild long enough, surely the initial kinks like WiFi drops and battery hogging have been resolved. No such luck, and after doing it, it looks like I'm going to have to do this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784880
Lollipop is horrible. My phone no longer does one of the most basic things that's been around since the G1: Go (the F) to sleep! Seriously?!?!
Here are my other problems:
-Phone doesn't sleep on its own if timeout set for longer than 30 seconds (and even then, it's not reliable)
-WiFi doesn't reconnect after sleep (when sleep even happens, which is only when I push the button to force it). I have to toggle WiFi off/on to reconnect.
-Battery drain is pretty bad. My first month with the S5 had me barely even thinking about charging. Now, with Lollipop, I feel like I'm back on my old HTC MyTouch!
-The silly way they implemented the lockscreen. Here's my problem: I can ONLY use Settings > Sound and Notification > While locked with the option "Do not show notifications". Why? Any other setting blocks the Owner Information (Settings > Lock screen > Owner Information). If I don't, and if I'm unfortunate enough to have lost my phone, yet fortunate enough to have it found by a good samaritan, I better hope I haven't miss any calls or received any messages in the meantime. This one REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS because it's a horribly-implemented Feature ... at least the others are unintended bugs, but somebody had to give this one the green light.
-I can't adjust the icon sizes anymore. There used to be a choice of large or small icons.
-Oh, and for some bonehead reason, Samsung decided their stock ROM wouldn't have the Lollipop built-in flashlight icon.
-Another intentional feature that I can't disable: the phone keeps a history of recent activity that persists through reboots. YUCK! Why can I not disable this?!?! Again, another bonehead call that somebody had to green-light, without even considering the possibility that I might want to turn it off!
-All the UI "polishing" and improvements don't mean a thing to me, I want it to work.
I found all of the above in less than 24 hours on Lollipop! I might lose my s**t entirely if I keep it for much longer.
Here is my take on why:
Google and Apple are in a heated race to the top. They wrongly assume that what will set each apart from one another is almost entirely dependent on what a few bloggers say about some hot new feature. The paradigm appears to be something like: "Who cares if millions of loyal subscribers lose functionality when we want 100 people to have this one obscure and half-baked feature?"
Latest != Greatest
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I've had a change of heart on this. It's not too bad, I just needed to adjust a few settings and live with the other issues.

I too do not like the lolli. Bad battery life, and for some reason the Heart rate monitor led turns on whenever anything is within a half inch of it. I just can't figure that out, but it sucks the battery like a red led vampire!
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Tldnr
Don't start a thread just to complain

Lmfao when I saw that link and clicked it, I actually had that same thread opened moments before opening this thread because I, too, am having to go back to KitKat. I laughed for a good 20 seconds. Lollipop is freaking terrible at the moment. Zero customization and Google + Samsung are forcing too much garbage on us without giving any bit of customization.

mygraine said:
I too do not like the lolli. Bad battery life, and for some reason the Heart rate monitor led turns on whenever anything is within a half inch of it. I just can't figure that out, but it sucks the battery like a red led vampire!
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Heart rate monitor thing was fixed in OC4 I think, but if it still goes off a factory reset will fix it.

Agree
OP, I agree with you. It probably is the first version without the definitely improvement overall for users. It is risky to upgrade and troublesome if it didn't work out well on your devices. Wish Android 5.1 could be better than Kitkat overall.

I have absolutely no problems with the lollipop. I always had it stock from the start and just let the OTAs take over on their own. Have you tried even rebooting into recovery and wipe cache? Even though it's not a custom recovery you can still do that, also even when you dirty flash nightlies that's something that's good practice. My wife's phone had similar issues that I wasn't experiencing, until I did that to her phone and now she's having no problems. Now the general annoyances of how Samsung implemented ****, I understand, it's stupid with not having native flashlight, tethering is annoying having to use foxfi, and the lockscreen.. bleh. But other than that, everything is actually working like it is supposed to

Chiming in, Yes it's bad.
I have two lines with Verizon, both with S5 phones on them. Great device, its actually the first Android phone I've had that I did not do anything with beyond the out of the box experience. That changed when Lollipop was pushed via OTA, the most prominent issue I experienced on both of my S5s is general responsiveness issues, simple things like switching apps or launching apps sometimes would leave me with a white screen for between 5-10 seconds, an eternity especially when the device was lighting fast on 4.4.4 Kitkat. I followed every suggestion from wiping the device in Android, Wiping in recovery, wiping cache, all of these with only marginal improvements. It really is a shame that Google / Samsung did not do a bit better quality assurance on this build before it was pushed out to carriers and ultimately peoples devices. It says something that other carriers skipped 5.0 and that very rapidly 5.1 surfaced on Newer devices / Nexus devices.
As of last night both of my phones are Odin'd back to 4.4.4 and its like having a brand new phone. Sure, there might not be as much polish, but there are no features I will die without having. The only one that I can say I do miss is the feature where the device will disable the lock screen when your smart watch or home WiFi is connected.
Here's to hoping that Google eventually gets Android 5 right in the optimization department and that Samsung picks it up for the S5, and that Verizon gets it ready for OTA before I am ready to move on to a new device. Not interested in the S6 at all for its sealed nature for storage and battery, but that's for another thread on a different day.
-Nate

I Have to agree. I've given it several chances to perform to expectations but it just fails.... ( insert sad puppy face here ) no matter what I have tried it just under-performs and the biggest thing is the horrible battery life. Sooooo yeah like most of the other commentators in this thread, I'm moving back to 4.4.4......

Unfortunately/fortunately, I have found most of my battery issues were solved with a factory reset. I'm more frustrated that Samsung seems to having issues with Android Auto.

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Observations, not complaints. Getting these points out in the open is an essential stepping stone to getting them fixed. Maybe, just maybe, a Producteer or architect at Google has read this by now so they know what to improve next time. Problems cannot be solved until they are defined.
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The issue with the screen not sleeping was actually related to the "Show CPU Usage" setting in the app "OS Monitor". I've used that for years on previous Android version with no problems. In Lollipop, it must be disabled.

CaptainRewind said:
Observations, not complaints. Getting these points out in the open is an essential stepping stone to getting them fixed. Maybe, just maybe, a Producteer or architect at Google has read this by now so they know what to improve next time. Problems cannot be solved until they are defined.
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The issue with the screen not sleeping was actually related to the "Show CPU Usage" setting in the app "OS Monitor". I've used that for years on previous Android version with no problems. In Lollipop, it must be disabled.
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Yeah, go start a petition, just like the bootloader guys, see how far it got them? No one from google reads your complaint threads and regrets their work...

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Yeah, go start a petition, just like the bootloader guys, see how far it got them? No one from google reads your complaint threads and regrets their work...
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Yeah, I guess that was wishful thinking.
In any case, it seems this thread was a complete waste of time. It made me feel better at the time, but looking back on it and the purpose of this site, it doesn't add any value or help anyone modify their phone. Not only that, one of my primary reasons for the OP was the screen lock issues which turned out to be an app, not the Android version.
So, I stand corrected. Live and learn. Enough said.

My wife would never let me root her phone ever. After this update either I find a way to go back a few with root or it goes against the wall. Looks like I have to start reading and figure out how to do this.

Lol I love how you described it. Sometimes you have to vent. Lol

CaptainRewind said:
UPDATE:
The issue with the screen not sleeping was actually related to the "Show CPU Usage" setting in the app "OS Monitor". I've used that for years on previous Android version with no problems. In Lollipop, it must be disabled.
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Care to share where this app is?
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dk-v1 said:
Care to share where this app is?
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This is the one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eolwral.osmonitor&hl=en
It's a great app, but something about it staying active in the Notification Bar keeps the screen awake. I still use the app, just can't keep the notification active in Lollipop.
And in case it isn't obvious, even though I still have my concerns about Lollipop, I never did go about the procedure of downgrading. It looks like a risky procedure, and I don't want to trip Knox, or worse, have a brick.

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This is the one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eolwral.osmonitor&hl=en
It's a great app, but something about it staying active in the Notification Bar keeps the screen awake. I still use the app, just can't keep the notification active in Lollipop.
And in case it isn't obvious, even though I still have my concerns about Lollipop, I never did go about the procedure of downgrading. It looks like a risky procedure, and I don't want to trip Knox, or worse, have a brick.
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Ok, so it's not a stock app. I am still having poor battery life and overheating issues.
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