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The EEE Transformer is the pick for me i think, have just bought an ipad2 a few weeks back and it sucks (no jailbreak = no customization) [No offence Apple lovers]
Tho i would love to have a Windows7 tablet with the EEE's AWSOME dock, SD Reader, USB ect ect, but also run android on it. will it be possible to dual-boot the two OS' ?
Not officially off course but eventually, is it possible for devs to port over win7 ?
might be a silly question but i have to know before i go purshasing one..
Nico
No. windows seven doesnt.run on arm hardware. Windows 8 might. But no one.knows when that is being released. But to answer ur question. No though you can remotly connect to a pc
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Definitely not possible currently, as nobody has access to a Windows 7 build compiled for ARM processors, at least other than Microsoft themselves and perhaps a few outside people doing testing for them...
Eventually, an ARM build of Win7 or a future Win release (depends whom you ask) is on the cards (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-dealtalk-intel-idUSTRE73K7ZZ20110421 "Microsoft's plans to make future versions of Windows 7 compatible with ARM is another reason why Intel needs to move faster to get into Microsoft devices, Shah said"), but I'd guess you won't be able to buy it retail, and even if you can, whether or not you can install it depends on a lot more than just whether the processor architecture is right.
I'd give this a chance of "slim to none".
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The EEE Transformer is the pick for me i think, have just bought an ipad2 a few weeks back and it sucks (no jailbreak = no customization) [No offence Apple lovers]
Tho i would love to have a Windows7 tablet with the EEE's AWSOME dock, SD Reader, USB ect ect, but also run android on it. will it be possible to dual-boot the two OS' ?
Not officially off course but eventually, is it possible for devs to port over win7 ?
might be a silly question but i have to know before i go purshasing one..
Nico
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Search? It's been answered many times before.
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Search? It's been answered many times before.
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...and it's been answered twice before your post, as well.
Your best alternative to a Windows 7-running tablet similar to the transformer would be the Acer Iconia W500, which is similar to the A500 except for the fact that it runs windows. It will also have a keyboard dock accessory, although i personally prefer the ASUS offering
Rumor has it that the Eee Pad Slider (transformer with a slide out keyboard buit into the back) will have both android (ARM) and windows 7 (AMD fusion I believe) based models.
The dual-form nature of this item would fit a dual-boot scenario perfectly. Boot into Android when used as a tablet, boot into Ubuntu when docked. Just curious as to the possibility of this.
As far as I know, Ubuntu supports ARM architecture, so the Tegra 2 chip should work well with it. I'm not familiar with the touch screen driver support in Ubuntu, but I remember when I modded my old EeePC netbook with a touch screen, I was able to install third party touch screen drivers without any problem. Then again, even if the touchscreen won't work, when docked it has the mouse and keyboard anyway.
Are there any devs working on this, or know what the feasibility of such an endeavor would be?
Thanks!
Let me know when I can dual boot into Linux Mint.
I'm wondering if the webtop from atrix can be ported to work here.
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Let me know when I can dual boot into Linux Mint.
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Linux Mint is based off of Ubuntu, so if you can get one working, you can get the other. However, vanilla Ubuntu has three times the user base, so I feel that would be the best bet, considering the much larger community support.
Definitely should be a project someone works on
Should be very easy to boot ubuntu alongside android. Got a lot of spare ram on these systems.
This of course means running ubuntu with a vnc server, and connecting to localhost. Which is far from optimal. But it works atleast. That's what I plan to do when I get the tablet.
Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
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Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
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Not unless we get an ARM SDK. There is nothing I would like more than to be able to develop for my tablet on my tablet, but right now it is not possible, even with Ubuntu.
Ubuntu 11.04 was just released with the new Unity interface standardized. I'm not sure how well the Tegra 2 can handle it, but there's also Unity 2D, which looks great.
And the touchscreen interface looks lovely:
http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/
I'm getting excited, I really hope we can get this working!
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Should be very easy to boot ubuntu alongside android. Got a lot of spare ram on these systems.
This of course means running ubuntu with a vnc server, and connecting to localhost. Which is far from optimal. But it works atleast. That's what I plan to do when I get the tablet.
Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
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This was already done on the Xoom I believe.
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Not unless we get an ARM SDK. There is nothing I would like more than to be able to develop for my tablet on my tablet, but right now it is not possible, even with Ubuntu.
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A very good point :/, oh well. I can still do my normal development
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A very good point :/, oh well. I can still do my normal development
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From what I understand, Eclipse is actually built entirely on Java. Is anyone aware of a full java environment for ARM Linux?
The problem isn't eclipse being based on Java, the problem is the Android SDK plug-in (which specifies x86). It could be that you only need x86 for the emulator or for the USB drivers (I don't know), but it could also be something else where none of the plug-in will work on ARM. You could probably do development (write code), but you probably couldn't compile to apk or test at all. People on PPC Macs already have this issue. It appears that the source code for the SDK is publicly available so maybe we could get it working, but I think that might be more effort than it is worth at this point in time.
But this is getting off topic. We need Ubuntu (or other full linux distro) before the rest of this is even remotely possible.
They have Ubuntu working on some of the old Windows Mobile phones (check out the HTC Touch Pro 2 / Rhodium). Isn't that an ARM based CPU?
Yes, Ubuntu should have no problem working on ARM. The only questions on Ubuntu are the drivers and bootloader.
Getting linux up and running shouldn't be hard. It's done on most modern cell phones already. And the cut down versions are normally due to limitations in hardware.
The only part that sucks is the vnc localhost solution which is generally being deployed, it's not exactly optimal performance wise.
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The only part that sucks is the vnc localhost solution which is generally being deployed, it's not exactly optimal performance wise.
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The best way to deal with this problem would probably to get X11 working with Android's graphics stack (mostly OpenGL) as a backend- sort of like Xephyr, or Wayland's embedding of X11 (basing the work on Wayland's work might be the easiest, since they already use OpenGL ES).
That should deliver near-native performance, with full hardware acceleration.
I'd think the best way to structure it would be to have an app you launch within Android that connects to the X11 server and just pushes the final image to the screen (akin to what Wayland does). That should make it reasonable practical to move between Android and Unity (/Gnome/KDE/etc) without too much weirdities.
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For doing Android development on Android, until there's a native SDK, you could use X11's network transparency to be running Eclipse on a remote machine via SSH, using port forwarding to allow the remote machine to connect back over the tunnel for ADB. It's ugly, but it should work (assuming you have a network connection... and a working x11!).
Initially thought this would be a huge reverse enginering job, but look and behold : http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/news/linux-tegra-released !
Did anyone actually tried to run any Linux distro on it?
Is there any dev working on the question ?
Having a Android/Ubuntu tablet with an actual removable keyboard good me a huge advantage in terms of productivity/entertainment share... !!
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Is there any dev working on the question ?
Having a Android/Ubuntu tablet with an actual removable keyboard good me a huge advantage in terms of productivity/entertainment share... !!
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+1 for that
Hello!
I want to buy a tablet for use in school instead of my notebook.
I really love Android Honeycomb but I have some problems here and there...
I will tell you something about what i need and want. I hope some of you can make some good suggestions.
I looked around a bit and three devices were generally suitable... The problem is I don'T know what to take... Win or Android...
The three devices:
-Acer Iconia A500 (or A501)
-Acer Iconia W500 (or W501)
-Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101
Perfect fo me would be to have a dual-booting tablet with Win7 and Honeycomb.
I want to have an easy to handle Tablet. Means I do never want to have a real HArd Disk. Thats why most Windows Tablets are not possible for me.
SSD or Flash / NAND storage is an important criteria.
Next I want my pad to be lightweight meaning I preferr ARM-Platforms as they have much less Hardware. Especially the Fan in x86-HW is annoying in my eyes.
But I need the Tablet for basicly five things:
-Presentations: Animated Presentations like in PowerPoint (That's a Contra Android I think)
-Text (Word or similar - Okay Eee Pad has an office solution)
-Table Calculation (low weight not so important)
-Software engineering (Which is a big Pro for Windows as I don't know apps for Android doing that.
-Gaming: Playing Minigames whan I'm off... Well thats a point where I like Android
And some point for me is the battery time... Unformtunately x86-Hardware is much power consuming in opptsite to ARM.
I'd love to have a device which is able to boot both systems but unfortunately honeycomb is not ported to x86 yet
Well I have a windows server so I could probably use terminal sessions for programming as a workaround
What do you think?
Or would you suggest me another Tablet else than the ones listed above?
Do you believe it will be possible to install Windows 8 onto Eee Pad Transformer?
Probably even DualBoot?
For school purposes, I think a Windows tablet would be your best bet. You just can't get all of the widely used/ popular business features in Android. Plus you don't wanna get distracted during class
I would have to Say Windows if it for school, but then again look into Android with Word power, or use of School related Apps, for which Android I think is perfect because of the use of many many different Apps to help with whatever situation you're in.
I would think Android would be a much better tablet experience than Windows.
Excluding the possibility of Windows 8.
I would like to point out Bluestacks
http://www.bluestacks.com/
Wait a few months, and a dual-booting tablet will be possible
In the meantime, have you used windows 7 with a touchscreen? IMHO, it kinda sucks.
hahah ,very thanks
Well Windows 7 on touchscreen is possible and it is quite usable. I tried one out (Ambiance AT-something)
But I really love Android as I already stated. And it is better in tiouchscreen-use of course.
The school I mean is not a regular school but it is a school wehre you go if you learn a job (don't know the english word for it). I'm learning an IT-Specialist Job so thats not any problem
The question is while looking on each parameter what would be the best choice for me?
None is suitable 100% I guess this will end up in a 45-55 percent decision...
As I you said generally Windows has much more "known" capabilities e.g. MS Office but on the other hand android is much better while talkting from tablets... It is more efficient light-weight (focussing on hardware specs) and when I focus on travelluign I would like to have android as it has more battery lifetime and at the same time the games are better (You have to remember that most windows games are too hardware-hungry to run on a tablet and if they do you have battery times around two hours? )
For my purposes the polaris office Word equivalent is enough.
The presentation thing is okay for small presentations. for bigger ones I'd have to use windows or wait until some software comes out (which will happen I think)
I did not try table caluclation on polaris office yet...
A big plus-point for windows is programming... IS there any software out for android which supports that? I don't think so.
But therefore I could use my server as I already said.
A big plus for android is portabliity and the in my oppinion better games for entertaiment.
Besides the Transformers Screen is awsome in comparison to the Acer...
The transformer does have a nice screen. It's a quite capable tablet, I liked the hardware much more than the Acer. Honeycomb just isnt quite there yet. If It has to work and be easy, go Windows. If it has to be fun go Android
I wouldn't buy any android tablet at the present date, especially if i don't wanna use it mainly as a toy...android is not mature yet, it still has a lot of glitches to be ironed out, on a tablet they can become even more annoying.
It'S exactly what my problem is^^ I want fun but also be able to do my work.
But I don't mind having it a bit more complicated then.
I would instantly say I take a windows thing and use android-x86 ginger as dualboot... But I dislike the x86-Arch-Hardware in a Tablet.
Tablet android 100%
There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..
rajivshahi said:
There is already a tablet with dual booting os i.e. android n windows....
here is the link..
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Friend I am really sceptic when I see a Dual-Booting Tablet, looking like an ipad coming from Hong Kong and haveing Win7 ULTIMATE on it.
Next there is another doing this from Viewsonic. But installing Android 2.2 or 2.3 on an x86 platform is not the problem...
Honeycomb is not possible unfortunately - YET I know TegaTech is workign on it and it is running. Just google not permitting the release yet.
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Tablet android 100%
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Can you describe why?
Going off what you've said you need it for, and that you don't mind how W7 works on a tablet, I'd say go that route, and install bluestacks when it comes out to get your android games.
Coding inside android is not something I've ever heard about, I know you mentioned it, but I don't know how important it is to you.
If battery life is really important, however, I'd recommended the Asus transformer - massive battery life with the dock, and works great as a netbook or a tablet. Dunno how Google docs or similar works on it as an office suite, but its definitely an option.
Thanks mtmerrick
Your post is exactly what I think.
Win7 is good in software and Transformer in Hardware...
If Transformer 2 was out now I would have bought it... Do you think if I buy TF now I will be able to install WIndows 8 on it when it comes out?
I don't know if it's even possible to install anything there?
//Edit: The Programming part is not important for me. But for School. As said I'd use Terminal Sessions for this purpose when thats the only death criteria for android.
Thank my posts if they helped.
There's been talk of putting windows 8 on android devices already, but its too soon to say if it'll actually be possible. I also want to add, Windows 8 ARM apps are most likely not going to be compatible with windows 8 x86 and x64 programs, if that makes a difference to you.
Android has several office suites avalible, and they're pretty good. I'm not exactly sure how strong they are but I do know they're more then enough for most of my entire office. Add the Transformer's hardware keyboard and you should be good to go.
So, I've effectively talked myself into the Asus Eee Pad Transformer for you. What do you think?
I am sure Windows 8 ARM will support MSOffice and Visual C# Express As wella s there will be a notepad++ compile for ARM so that's really all I need lol
Well Microsoft has already said there'll he a version of Office avalible for ARM, so no need to worry about that. But, as I said, android office apps should be all you need,expically with that hardware keyboard. And the transformer has an HDMI out, if I remember correctly, so that (probably) means dual monitor support, and definitely mirroring. Thing is, most people just don't NEED the full capabilities of windows. Only reasons for my laptop are AutoCAD and iTunes. And if windows 8 ARM is going to require its own programs, honestly, why bother with it?
I agree with you.
Define "need"
I saw ubuntu is able to run on the transformer... That opens a new way =)
Which includes even most programming problems
Does anyone know if I can dualboot Android and Ubuntu on the Transformer?
If yes I know what I will buy
android of cos....
So I see NVFLASH is coming soon, this excites the hell out of me.
I see development has been done on TF101/201 with success.
my wonder at this point, if I brick the bootloader, will that lock me out of recovery/fastboot?
this question is the only thing that has stopped me from flashing flashing uboot + a new filesystem based on the reference example from nvidia.
I want real linux on this thing. it's such a rad piece of hardware, and with some real linux I can work around the i/o issues that seem to plague this thing (I can't run torrents, listen to 320k mp3s and browse the web at the same time)
on a similar but unrelated note, could I possibly see overall speed improvements by using external SDHC/SDXC? I just haven't gotten a solid answer if the hardware i/o issues are because of the flash memory controller or the actual internal flash memory itself.
I'll keep screwing with this antequated 2.6~ kernel for now. I guess JB is coming, but it's still android.
what I REALLY want is something akin to the webtop hack on the atrix, dock your android, boot into linux. but since I already have a tweaked out android phone that does everything I need a device of that size/class to do. I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen
I've been pouring through the kernel sources, as well as the kernel I downloaded from nVidia for tegra linux, and this all looks very doable.
I guess I'm just being a wuss 'cause this tablet was f'n expensive! and the chroot/loopback/vnc linux solution is not a solution. It's a joke. I have a 1920x1200 screen that I want to put to good use. if I can't make that happen, I'm contemplating gutting the tablet just to rob its screen/digitizer for my netbook, and throw the rest in the garbage.
to say its performance is disappointing is an understatement. it's about as responsive to input as a boeing 707 (that's why I keep calling it a TF707 )
I agree with your sentiment and am going to attempt to compile a workable kernel for this cause. If more are willing to help it might be best to upload source to sourceforge.
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i will agree here and am willing to help and now the NVFlash is is released, sadly i updated and currently cant use it i am looking for a fix soon when i get an extra minute. but once i am NVFlashed i am willing to help out with anything. this is something i have been waiting for since i bought the thing. a good dual boot for this baby. i unlike you do want to keep the android on there also but i do want some good linux on this baby. if you can keep us/me up to date with your plans it would be great.
--Jezzirolk
I'll be back stateside in the next week or so, I'll post some updates once I get something to boot... If I get something to boot. I'm still reading lots of documentation from nvidia and sources.
Question : what kind of linux desktop would you install on your tablet ? What desktop is ready for use with our fingers instead of a mouse/keyboard and is ready to compile on that ARM architecture ?
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I'm going to keep it docked most of the time anyway, so I'll probably use XFCE. I need external USB hardware support for various network devices, a real browser and a real office suite that works with openoffice documents. Having a real development environment is a plus.
I know it won't be fast, but I'm hoping to retain decent battery life with all this and have it be lightweight.
the HDMI output is also nice, and using the tegra linux drivers I'll have WAY more control over the output (different resolutions and such)
all the source is out there, someone just needs to put it all together and compile it, and I'm getting impatient. I'll have two weeks off and the only other thing I have to do is swap a new motor into a '93 towncar (2 days tops) so I'll have some time to dedicate to it, I'll get as far as I can and then put what I got up on github or something.
Ok so it will be a classic "keyboard'n mouse" use, not a "fingers" use
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If I wanted that I'd just keep android
I already have an android device that does everything I want/need on a touchscreen.
not to say I won't work on adding some features. I've used POS terminals as personal computers and I have a fair amount of elo touchscreen LCDs I used to use at home and in the dash of my car. (Motorola MW520/MW800s are pretty badass little digital media players if you set them up right.
but you can make any interface touch friendly by doubling the DPI, you essentially only get 25% of the "screen real estate" but it works, and it's a quick and dirty solution, it's not hard to change on the fly when I have an xserver I can dump and reload at will.
I'm hoping I'll be able to utilize the JB bootloader since it already supports a 3.x kernel. should save me some work.
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If I wanted that I'd just keep android
I already have an android device that does everything I want/need on a touchscreen.
not to say I won't work on adding some features. I've used POS terminals as personal computers and I have a fair amount of elo touchscreen LCDs I used to use at home and in the dash of my car. (Motorola MW520/MW800s are pretty badass little digital media players if you set them up right.
but you can make any interface touch friendly by doubling the DPI, you essentially only get 25% of the "screen real estate" but it works, and it's a quick and dirty solution, it's not hard to change on the fly when I have an xserver I can dump and reload at will.
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I've been a long tester of linux desktop (window managers, ...) and i'd be interested in a standard linux desktop adapted to touchscreen use. At the moment i don't know any of them (gnome, kde, ...) that are touchscreen ready (apart of android) but i'm still looking for that experience. I have at home a old pc fof my linux experiments and i would buy a touchscreen lcd for that linux desktop if there was some nice solution. But i don't see any for the moment.
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I am also waiting for JB to drop be for I get to hardcore into kernels 3.1 or 3.5, but now that I have nvflash working I am working on a method to boot a working kernel of of 2.6 and just get a working concept going.
as much as I don't like ubuntu, it is the one that most are comfortable and has the most dev activity. multi-touch 5 finger is obtainable albeit probably need to hack 3.1 to do it or just go with my desire to get to 3.5.
I am planning instead of repartitioning to just use a couple loop img files 1. for root 2. swap and 3. for home (this way a user can make what size he wants) . it will make everything so much easier.
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I also want linux on infinity
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... I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen "
times many!
I do not care if it is a dual-boot situation or boot from a stick or card, but I'm waiting to buy one until I see a reasonable way to run a bodhi or kde or ubuntu 10 on an infinity...
AND, I do not have the skills to hack it up...
If anyone creates a way to do this with a few clicks (or REALLY SIMPLE command lines, I mean really really really simple, not just simple from a programers view = )
I really want to know, as the infinity hardware is everything I need...
thanks for working on it!
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" I want real linux on this thing. it's such a rad piece of hardware, and with some real linux I can...
... I want this thing to be a netbook replacement + touchscreen "
times many!
I do not care if it is a dual-boot situation or boot from a stick or card, but I'm waiting to buy one until I see a reasonable way to run a bodhi or kde or ubuntu 10 on an infinity...
AND, I do not have the skills to hack it up...
If anyone creates a way to do this with a few clicks (or REALLY SIMPLE command lines, I mean really really really simple, not just simple from a programers view = )
I really want to know, as the infinity hardware is everything I need...
thanks for working on it!
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Im in the same situation, but I want complex commands
I really like the hardware offering from Asus on the ZenPad S 8.0.
I can't find any good windows 10 tablets, does anyone know if you can install windows 10 on a ZenPad?
Thanks!
I'm wondering the same thing.
i think you need the replace the bios or something so that the tablet can boot from a usb
+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.
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+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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Actually not, since Windows licencing is no longer paid for devices under 10 inches.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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You don't include Windows, you just simply make it have a generic x86_64-compliant legacy or UEFI bootloader.
Windows licensing doesn't apply to a device that doesn't come with Windows considering the device doesn't ship with Windows (or at least I would think).
I would still love to see a rom of windows 10 i could load. At the moment, I just use splashtop if i really need windows functionality on my tablet, and since I work from home, it's not too bad, lan Splashtop is pretty good, especially with a good router.
I'm interested in this tablet since it's on sale right now, but I don't have the money. Should I ever get one I'd totally install Arch Linux or something. If anyone has one of these and attempts this, please start a dev thread or something to document the project.
Just so we're clear, this is the tablet we're all hoping to install Windows 10/Linux onto, right? http://bit.ly/1kaRhIZ
I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!
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I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!
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Or at least some way to change to Windows. This is a great tablet, but it comes with the wrong OS.
Bootloader is still locked. Until that's changed, no alternative OS.