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I've been running the "battery monitor widget" the last few days, set to log every 10 minutes. For those not aware, this app can record a history of your battery use including mv and produces some very useful graphs. Anyways, I've noticed some questions around regarding whether bump charging Is necessary on the tbolt and my findings suggest yes. Sort of. I'm unable to save the log in a useful way to display here at the moment but suffice to say, the phone stops charging around 4200mv and doesn't resume again until around 4000mv.
As I said I have the app set to 10 minute increments so I can't provide more precise data for note but ill adjust the log frequency the next time I charge and up date here when I have more accurate data.
To explain my "sort of", im no battery expert. The log reads that even at 4000mv the battery is at 98% and if true then you wrong gain a significant amount by bumping.
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Hello,
I have been using a battery monitor to watch the overall current use of the sensation. I have noticed that at times, the phone is using a lot of current )over 600mAh!) I was wondering if there is an app that can show me EACH app's current use?
I am rooted, running setcpu. I have profiles set to supposedly underclock when the battery is low, temperature too high, or screen off. Sometimes I notice only 50mA of use with the screen off. Other times I notice 300mA with the screen off! WTF?
There are no apps running aside from the battery monitor app, and setcpu. I really need to know WHAT is using all that current? I also have live wallpapers. Could they really use that much? Still, id prefer to know which app/process is stealing from me.
Free or PAid, I dont care. Just need to know what is doing it.
Battery monitor widget is not correctly showing drainage usage. There are no programs that I know of that are actually showing the right drainage
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Hey guys a couple a days ago i flash to my phone the stock 2.3.6 the kj1 kernel and the adrenaline shot v2. My phone works great but my battery its horrible. Is this because of the adrenaline thing??
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Calibrate your battery then give it a few days...
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Also... flash kj6.... you are behind the times. Kj6 mostly has wifi fixed.
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Exactly what Calamus said. I'm running KJ6, drhonk's KJ1 kernel, and Adrenaline Shot v12. I calibrated my battery (there are apps for that in the market), and my battery life is pretty good.
If I'm heavily using my phone I get a bit over half a day of battery life. That's with really heavy use (wifi calls, texting, XDA app, and other apps being used). With normal use it'll last me a day.
Im in the kj6 stock the kj1 is the kernel. Im going to look the calibrate app to see if my battery last longer. But for example sometimes i have to chrage my phone twice a day. I never let the battery drain completly if i know the battery is in 20% i charge the phone. This can happend to me twice a day. I dont talk so much i do txt a lot and use in a normal way some apps, games and wifi.
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Im in the kj6 stock the kj1 is the kernel. Im going to look the calibrate app to see if my battery last longer. But for example sometimes i have to chrage my phone twice a day. I never let the battery drain completly if i know the battery is in 20% i charge the phone. This can happend to me twice a day. I dont talk so much i do txt a lot and use in a normal way some apps, games and wifi.
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I've noticed wifi eats the battery quite a bit. I'd suggest turning it and other features off if you're not using them. I keep bluetooth & GPS off all of the time. I have wifi on when I'm at home as I get better coverage than on the carrier network.
Give it a few days after you calibrate it as it takes a little time for it to level out.
"Juice defender" in the market. Free version works well. paid gives a few more features. I would re calibrate after install. I have no problems getting a full day with moderate to heavy use.
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I agree....my battery life is horrible!! I should have just bought another phone!
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jager555 said:
I agree....my battery life is horrible!! I should have just bought another phone!
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Lol and I'm still on froyo
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I have been messing with juice defender and im running alot better i calibrated battery then i set up app i has lots of options like shut down at night or kill connectivity when off. If not try octane rom that gave me great batt i would run 4 hrs of sat radio and still have 40% battery after
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Did the calibrate battery app and manage to turn off some things in my phone and i do see some good changes in my battery life overall, this is an ok device Tmobile has launch or is soon to , some really good phones but right now the only choice that i could think of is the galaxy s II i saw a video of a phone fight between the galaxy s II and the iphone 4s and the iphone won in so many ways, but till this day and looking forward to android 4.0 im a Android fanatic 100%
An architect buddy of mine who is a big iPhone guy ( iPhone 1 to new iPhone 4s recently) was playing around with my sgs4g a week or so ago, it was the first Android phone he had ever messed with. He was taking about how great his iPhone battery life was (true) when i got a facebook notification come through, followed by a twitter notification, while he was using the imdb app. "Your phone can do more than one thing at a time?" He asked....
"Sure, yours can't?" i asked in return.
"No, i gotta physically open Facebook to check messages, then close it afterwards." He said.
"Wow that really sucks, i see why your battery life is so great though." I commented.
.....silence...."F this I'm buying an Android" he said, and he did....a galaxy s2 and he said it pwns the iPhone 4s he just bought and traded. True story.
I guess its a tradeoff, great battery life or ultra versatile multi tasking usability. I understand that some people do prefer the iPhone, and they are great...if that's what you want....but for a review to state an iPhone 4s beats a galaxy s2 in almost every test is laughable and i would have to question the reviewers reliability and validity.
Once you get the phone set up right, undervolted etc the battery life is quite acceptable considering its performance. I have got almost 2 days with light use, and can comfortably get 8 to 9 hours with heavy use.
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The tips that I picked up on is:
Disable any OC and/or non-standard governor, don't run too many apps while charging.
Charge the phone up completely
After it is charged completely, your calibration app should show you the mVh, unplug the power wait a second and plug it back in. Mine usually gets to 4203 (or something like that. I don't have my phone back yet.). If you don't use a calibration app, spareparts should show you mVh level.
Then delete the baterystats.bin. Disconnect charger, and let the phone drain until it dies.
When it is dead. Plug it into the charger and don't touch the phone until it is fully charged. OC and non-standard governors should still be disabled or at their defaults.
After it is fully charged, use your phone like normal (again, no OC etc...), let the phone die all the way again.
Charge the phone up all the way again.
re-enable OC and/or governors.
baterystats.bin is a log of the phone's battery usage and capacity. I've also been told to do steps 6-7 over and over to get more log information into baterystats.bin to get a more reliable battery charge.
Hope this helps.
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He was taking about how great his iPhone battery life was (true)
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I thought the iPhone 4S has **** battery life. That's why everyone was complaining about it, right?
bhundven said:
The tips that I picked up on is:
Disable any OC and/or non-standard governor, don't run too many apps while charging.
Charge the phone up completely
After it is charged completely, your calibration app should show you the mVh, unplug the power wait a second and plug it back in. Mine usually gets to 4203 (or something like that. I don't have my phone back yet.). If you don't use a calibration app, spareparts should show you mVh level.
Then delete the baterystats.bin. Disconnect charger, and let the phone drain until it dies.
When it is dead. Plug it into the charger and don't touch the phone until it is fully charged. OC and non-standard governors should still be disabled or at their defaults.
After it is fully charged, use your phone like normal (again, no OC etc...), let the phone die all the way again.
Charge the phone up all the way again.
re-enable OC and/or governors.
baterystats.bin is a log of the phone's battery usage and capacity. I've also been told to do steps 6-7 over and over to get more log information into baterystats.bin to get a more reliable battery charge.
Hope this helps.
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batterystats.bin is a log file - true... deletion of that file has nothing to do with calibration - it's a myth.
Android is reading SOC (state of charge) battery from fuel gauge chip. It happens this chip calculates remaining capacity wrong - so it needs to be calibrated.
Proper method depends on type of that chip. With old, colomb type of fg, you would indeed required to make a full discharge followed by full charge in order to let the chip now of how many mAh battery can get in.
Modern fg is using math model which can predict / calculate capacity based on open-circuit voltage measurements. So you don't need to stress your battery with full charge/discharge cycle.
Again, 'calibration apps' do nothing more but delete that log file - this is not how fg chip got it's calibration.
It's interesting topic - battery, current consumption, calibration. It's surrounded with that myth about batterystats.bin and various 'calibrator apps' built on top of it.
I just cannot resist this time from commenting this "facts".
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On topic - my sgs4g with KD1 rom, rooted, debloated standby time with wifi, 4g off, only GSM voice and SMS can lasts 5-7 days.
Some normal use - 2 days,
Reading ebook non-stop - 8 hours,
music or audio-books - 15-20 hours.
Netflix, internet on wifi non-stop - 5 hours.
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I thought the iPhone 4S has **** battery life. That's why everyone was complaining about it, right?
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I'm honestly not sure man. He only had it for a few days, and I don't really follow Apple. Sounds right though, if Apple gave it more "umph" you would expect the battery life to suffer.
some people were reporting issues with battery drain on the 4S, but a lot depends on how you have notifications/sync setup, and I believe apple is working on a patch.
Same thing goes with the SGS4G. First thing you want to do is check your accounts and sync. I leave Facebook turned off. It only syncs if I actually open it and log in. I only have my gmail account syncing, and it's set to sync only once an hour (using juice defender to do this).
Otherwise, wifi, BT, and GPS are off unless I am using them. I regularly get between 3 and 4 days out of a charge with light use.
Also, I've never calibrated my battery.
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batterystats.bin is a log file - true... deletion of that file has nothing to do with calibration - it's a myth.
Android is reading SOC (state of charge) battery from fuel gauge chip. It happens this chip calculates remaining capacity wrong - so it needs to be calibrated.
Proper method depends on type of that chip. With old, colomb type of fg, you would indeed required to make a full discharge followed by full charge in order to let the chip now of how many mAh battery can get in.
Modern fg is using math model which can predict / calculate capacity based on open-circuit voltage measurements. So you don't need to stress your battery with full charge/discharge cycle.
Again, 'calibration apps' do nothing more but delete that log file - this is not how fg chip got it's calibration.
It's interesting topic - battery, current consumption, calibration. It's surrounded with that myth about batterystats.bin and various 'calibrator apps' built on top of it.
I just cannot resist this time from commenting this "facts".
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On topic - my sgs4g with KD1 rom, rooted, debloated standby time with wifi, 4g off, only GSM voice and SMS can lasts 5-7 days.
Some normal use - 2 days,
Reading ebook non-stop - 8 hours,
music or audio-books - 15-20 hours.
Netflix, internet on wifi non-stop - 5 hours.
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Based on this post, how do you verify that your SGS4G is actually measuring open-circuit voltage accurately and how would you make appropriate adjustments?.... assuming that the hardware is tweakable. Is there some kind of software / linux / adb command available?
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Based on this post, how do you verify that your SGS4G is actually measuring open-circuit voltage accurately and how would you make appropriate adjustments?.... assuming that the hardware is tweakable. Is there some kind of software / linux / adb command available?
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Regarding calibration I have some research done here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215182
It's possible to initiate / write down to the fg chip but for it some kind of jig cable needed or modified kernel. But fg chip designed that way it can do recalibration on its own with some time and normal usage pattern.
Open-circuit voltage chip would consider when battery is at rest and voltage change less then some mV per hour. When device is in deep sleep - conditions might be right (if there is no background activity) . To make sure - just shutdown device for couple hours. Chip is connected to the battery regardless.
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Regarding calibration I have some research done here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1215182
It's possible to initiate / write down to the fg chip but for it some kind of jig cable needed or modified kernel. But fg chip designed that way it can do recalibration on its own with some time and normal usage pattern.
Open-circuit voltage chip would consider when battery is at rest and voltage change less then some mV per hour. When device is in deep sleep - conditions might be right (if there is no background activity) . To make sure - just shutdown device for couple hours. Chip is connected to the battery regardless.
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I read the link you posted and will give it a whirl, thanks for the info man.
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You there! Android hacker! Stop screwing around with your battery stats!
OK, if you're not part of the small subset of rooted users who likes to mess around with things they shouldn't, you can probably skip the rest of this story and read something more interesting below. But if you have fiddled with battery stats on your phone, or used any of the rooted "battery calibration" apps in the Android Market, which do the same thing, it's time to stop. Google engineer Diane Hackborn has taken to Google+ to dispel the myth that wiping battery stats can improve your battery life, or the efficiency with which your phone charges.
This file [batterystats.bin] is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings. That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you. It has no impact on your battery life.
So there you have it. If you want better battery life, you're better off trying more basic techniques like keeping tabs on screen brightness or anything that might be running in the background. Or, y'know, buy a bigger battery...
More: +Diane Hackborn
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You there! Android hacker! Stop screwing around with your battery stats!
OK, if you're not part of the small subset of rooted users who likes to mess around with things they shouldn't, you can probably skip the rest of this story and read something more interesting below. But if you have fiddled with battery stats on your phone, or used any of the rooted "battery calibration" apps in the Android Market, which do the same thing, it's time to stop. Google engineer Diane Hackborn has taken to Google+ to dispel the myth that wiping battery stats can improve your battery life, or the efficiency with which your phone charges.
This file [batterystats.bin] is used to maintain, across reboots, low-level data about the kinds of operations the device and your apps are doing between battery changes. That is, it is solely used to compute the blame for battery usage shown in the "Battery Use" UI in settings. That is, it has deeply significant things like "app X held a wake lock for 2 minutes" and "the screen was on at 60% brightness for 10 minutes."
It has no impact on the current battery level shown to you. It has no impact on your battery life.
So there you have it. If you want better battery life, you're better off trying more basic techniques like keeping tabs on screen brightness or anything that might be running in the background. Or, y'know, buy a bigger battery...
More: +Diane Hackborn
http://m.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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Um.... what?
No one has ever (or ever should) claimed that resetting battery stats actually improves battery life. It only improves the accuracy of the battery readings.
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seh6183 said:
Um.... what?
No one has ever (or ever should) claimed that resetting battery stats actually improves battery life. It only improves the accuracy of the battery readings.
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This engineer is not saying improves life, says it does not give a more accurate reading
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This engineer is not saying improves life, says it does not give a more accurate reading
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Ok but you specifically mention in your first post "improves battery life".
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Battery life or battery useage efficiency?
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Ok but you specifically mention in your first post "improves battery life".
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That whole post is a quote from the article not me
Entropy has had some really good posts on this
There are a few HTC phones that have some specific battery guage software/hardware that it is beneficial to...other than that the claim is that it does absolutely nothing
I don't have the tech skills to prove/disprove any of it haha
After alot of way to clear battery stats with nothing good now i have best way to clear it and i do it everytime i flash new rom:
you turn off your phone and charge it to 100%. After that you take the battery out and wait 5minute and put it back. Don't turn on your phone, keep it off and charge, you will see that the phone now not 100%. Wait to it charge to 100% and now your batter good to go!
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I use Battery Calibrator from the App Market... What I do is I let completely the battery die and then full charge, then I use battery calibrator to calibrate and reboot and done!
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The OP is correct.
Wiping battery stats has got NOTHING to do with battery life, battery charging or anything of that kind.
Here is another good explanation. Wiping battery stats is a total MYTH !!!
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
chappatti said:
The OP is correct.
Wiping battery stats has got NOTHING to do with battery life, battery charging or anything of that kind.
Here is another good explanation. Wiping battery stats is a total MYTH !!!
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
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Chappatti I'm very disappointed in you, resurrecting a 4 month old thread, tsk tsk
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Chappatti I'm very disappointed in you, resurrecting a 4 month old thread, tsk tsk
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Do you realise what a shock this is to me? And other folk who have happily been dreaming of great battery effects with battery stats?
EVEN IN THIS POST HERE, there is no critcal discussion, no devs have chimed in and this myth has remained for all to belieive. There is almost NOTHING a hacked ROM can do to improve battery life BY ACTUALLY AFFECTING HOW THE BATTERY CHARGES. This is a big statement. It is really a kernel thing, and all the claims that this or that ROM has great battery life is just a fluke.
I mean, if your battery is acting flaky, then there is a deep kernel issue, or even a hard battery problem?
I mean c'mon, how come this is not common knowledge? Or am I the only gut in the dark.....
Hey, If I had not found this post, I was going to start my own post, and SHOVE this down people's throats !!!!!!
Just because i feel like a fool !!!!!!
EDIT: OKay, so then, keeping a stock kernel in the ROM will makes MORE sense ASSUMING it has the best optimization of the wakelocks. So a custom kernel is only good for battery life if the dev has dajusted the wakelocks properly.....now I see the light !!
Well, since it was I who helped you see the light, I'll explain my friend.
Different roms MAY have different battery life depending on build.prop tweaks (control CPU scaling and power bias) as well as framework changes that may or may not cause wake locks.
Wake locks can also be present in a rom but never manifest themselves for cetain users, because of the apps they install. Often times they are extremely config specific.
Custom kernels on the other hand can help battery life significantly. They may eliminate certain wake locks, add different cpu governors that have better scaling, and of course the ability to under volt.
Battery status - it is only "battery status" in status bar. You need clear it if you changed battery on new or bigger. This is need for correct % information in status bar. That all.
I saw a new app in the play store from Qualcomm that's made specifically for Snapdragon SoC's like our phone has. It's called BatteryGuru. Just thought I would share the info.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiam.snapdragon.app
Here's a short write up from Android Central:
Snapdragon BatteryGuru (Beta): is better battery life really just an app install away?
Qualcomm has seemingly out of nowhere released Snapdragon BatteryGuru, an app to help users with devices that have Snapdragon processors make the most out of their batteries. The app has some pretty lofty promises, and with support from the same manufacturer as your processor you'd hope that it would be able to help with battery life a notable amount.
So can Snapdragon BatteryGuru solve the battery woes on your new phone? Hit the break and see our results.
The Snapdragon BatteryGuru will only install on (you guessed it) Snapdragon-powered devices. Luckily with the popularity of the S4 Pro in the recent months, that's a whole lot of phones. I let the app have a go at improving the battery life on my stock Nexus 4. The tutorial when first opening the app gives you a pretty good idea of what the BatteryGuru plans to do. It explains that your phone has dozens of apps constantly syncing to the internet, sometimes unnecessarily, and it can help manage that syncing to improve battery life.
Once you exit setup, you'll see a notification hit your status bar indicating that the app is "In learning mode", and it will notify you when the battery savings start. The idea is that Snapdragon BatteryGuru will "watch" how you use your phone -- which apps are open most often, whether you use Wifi, etc. -- and adjust the sync settings of individual apps accordingly. After 2-4 days (ours popped up in 2), the app will let you know that it has learned all it can, and it is ready to save your battery life.
At this point there's actually nothing to do. The app will continue on its merry way, saving you battery without any user intervention. We would think that because this is an app made by the processor manufacturer that it would be able to offer more than the average battery-saver app, but we're not so convinced that this is the case. On the surface, it seems that the only thing BatteryGuru is doing is changing the sync interval for individual apps, which is always a double-edged sword.
We must admit that in our few days of anecdotal testing, the battery did seem to last longer on our Nexus 4 than it did before installing the app. The other thing we noticed is that we were not getting push email alerts from Gmail anymore -- which is not a good thing. Although I check my Gmail dozens (okay, maybe hundreds) of times a day, BatteryGuru still made the decision to lower its sync interval to save battery life. This is fine for an app like Words With Friends because I really don't need to know when someone makes a play that exact second, but for apps like Gmail and Google Talk, this isn't a good idea.
Thankfully, you can go into BatteryGuru's settings and manually override the interval it has chosen to sync for each app it has access to. The problem being that it's not exactly clear if this will always be the case, or if at some point the app will choose to turn off sync again. For the most important push notifications, I want to be completely certain that I'll receive them.
If you're someone that doesn't always need 100-percent push alerts for items like Gmail, Skype and Google+, and have a Snapdragon-powered device, then BatteryGuru can probably add a bit of a buffer to your battery life. If you absolutely need to have certain apps syncing right on time, then I'd be weary to completely trust this app to manage the sync intervals for you. Go give it a shot at the Play Store link above, and let us know how it works for you.
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I checked it too and its a cool idea for sure! My only personal issue was that it requires location services to function, and I dont use gps in general.
Edit: nevermind, if anonymous feedback is disabled in its settings location services can be turned off and it will still function. Phone's in learning mode, ill report back once its set up.
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If you check Better Battery Stats you will see that this app constantly wakes up the device to check the state of certain services. In one night (in learning mode) I got around 900 wakeups. It has been in battery saving mode since, and its woken my device up 388 times in one night and drains nearly 10%.
My device is better off not using an app that supposedly is supposed to save battery but actually drains more than it saves. Its ironic that every automation app claims to help make things easier and helpful, but in the end everything is worse.
By the way, I have the Galaxy S2 T989 (Hercules) so our devices are pretty similar.
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If you check Better Battery Stats you will see that this app constantly wakes up the device to check the state of certain services. In one night (in learning mode) I got around 900 wakeups. It has been in battery saving mode since, and its woken my device up 388 times in one night and drains nearly 10%.
My device is better off not using an app that supposedly is supposed to save battery but actually drains more than it saves. Its ironic that every automation app claims to help make things easier and helpful, but in the end everything is worse.
By the way, I have the Galaxy S2 T989 (Hercules) so our devices are pretty similar.
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It's not in learning mode anymore on my phone and it's not an issue when I look at Better Battery Stats. Current uptime is 12hrs 23min and it's been in Deep Sleep for 9hrs 22min. Consia (com.xiam.snapdragon.app.BatteryGuru) is listed as consuming 17sec on my partial wakelocks. That's really nothing.
Wait you guys need an app specifically to control sync intervals?
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That's a minor, optional feature provided. The point of the the app is to regulate battery consumption based on usage, and we are experimenting with it because the manufacturer of our processor built the app.
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m4570d0n said:
It's not in learning mode anymore on my phone and it's not an issue when I look at Better Battery Stats. Current uptime is 12hrs 23min and it's been in Deep Sleep for 9hrs 22min. Consia (com.xiam.snapdragon.app.BatteryGuru) is listed as consuming 17sec on my partial wakelocks. That's really nothing.
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Out of curiosity, how long did learning mode run for you?
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I'm not retarded lol I'm well aware of the vendor and was able to read and comprehend the op.
What does the app actually do though aside from control sync.
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It's not in learning mode anymore on my phone and it's not an issue when I look at Better Battery Stats. Current uptime is 12hrs 23min and it's been in Deep Sleep for 9hrs 22min. Consia (com.xiam.snapdragon.app.BatteryGuru) is listed as consuming 17sec on my partial wakelocks. That's really nothing.
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Check Alarms.