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So, I just got done chatting with AT&T customer service, via online chat, and I was asking questions about the phone constantly switching between HSDPA, and UMTS. I asked if this was normal, and she said mentioned that it is as they are upgrading the networks. She asked me for my zip, and did a check and said that they are currently working on upgrading in the area (Manhattan). She also did say that this phone will be able to connect to the LTE network when that is rolled out later this year (though from the sounds of it on this forum, that is highly unlikely).
Then, I asked about the SIM card. I mentioned I came from the Samsung Captivate, and that my SIM card says 3G on it. I said is this affecting my phone and contributing to my phone spending more time on UMTS than HSDPA? And her response was...
"Yes, you will need a new SIM card. If you can give me your address, I will be able to find a location in your area that can give you one free of charge."
I'm going into the store tomorrow to pick one up. Hell, why not?! Free and new is always good. Doubt it is the SIM, though it could help in the long run.
Thoughts?
AT&T needs to train their CSR staff. This phone won't do LTE and the 4g card won't make any difference.
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It is true you will need a 4g sim card to get LTE. The Inspire is only hsdpa+ 3.5G lol
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It is true you will need a 4g sim card to get LTE. The Inspire is only hsdpa+ 3.5G lol
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3.5g is Hspa
hspa+ is 3.75
Well, I had the "captivate->inspire no mobile data" thing happen a couple of days ago, went to the store, dude did some stuff on the computer, didn't work, and the only thing left to do was to change the SIM card (from 3g to the new one), which worked.
So the moral of the story is you're better off having them give you a new sim, even if the old one still looks like it's working, even partially, as was the case for me.
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I'm using an old 3G sim that I don't even know where I got. LOL its been working just fine.
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This is all good info. Thanks all for sharing. I'd be curious to hear others experiences after using a newer SIM card.
When I got the phone a day early, the guy had problems registering the new sim so I'm just using my old 3G card. Runs fine, maybe slower without the build.prop edit but it doesn't matter much where I live. Do what works for you.
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No signal what so ever....
3G??
I just recently switched from a captivate to inspire at an ATT store. The salesman put in a new sim card in the inspire instead of putting my captivate sim card in. When I asked why, whether this is true or not and I question too, he told me that in order to get 4g connection, I need a new sim. He deactivated my old sim and told me to shred it. When I got home, I placed my old sim back in and sure enough it was deactivated. I then placed my new "4g sim in my captivate and it worked. " I would like to know if a deactivated sim can be reactivated before I dispose if it.
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I just recently switched from a captivate to inspire at an ATT store. The salesman put in a new sim card in the inspire instead of putting my captivate sim card in. When I asked why, whether this is true or not and I question too, he told me that in order to get 4g connection, I need a new sim. He deactivated my old sim and told me to shred it. When I got home, I placed my old sim back in and sure enough it was deactivated. I then placed my new "4g sim in my captivate and it worked. " I would like to know if a deactivated sim can be reactivated before I dispose if it.
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He was wrong about "needing a 4G SIM", but you can't reactivate a deprovisioned SIM.
Gotcha. That sux. I also asked the salesman if the inspire would connect to the LTE network when it rolls out and he said yes. Imo, if ATT current lineup of 4g phones won't connect to LTE, that is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. ATT can't afford anymore negative publicity of these proportions. We can speculate, but in the end, we won't actually know until LTE goes live.
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Will connect, probably. Isn't LTE backward compatible with 3g?
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Will connect, probably. Isn't LTE backward compatible with 3g?
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From what I've read the networks are backward compatible to provide a seamless transition between networks, but a special chipset is still needed to connect to LTE, which as far as I know the Inspire doesn't have
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Gotcha. That sux. I also asked the salesman if the inspire would connect to the LTE network when it rolls out and he said yes. Imo, if ATT current lineup of 4g phones won't connect to LTE, that is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. ATT can't afford anymore negative publicity of these proportions. We can speculate, but in the end, we won't actually know until LTE goes live.
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well we know for a fact the inspire does not have an LTE radio, so that issue is for sure a "no". i really dont see much to back up a lawsuit though...
I think the key to your response is the statement "no current AT&T phones will ever be able to connect to the LTE network". I believe this was carefully and specifically worded, which leaves the techs in the store correct but misrepresenting what will happen. The phones will connect to the LTE towers because they will be the same towers as the 3G towers, but they will only connect as 3G devices with HSPA+ which means they could be capable of 4G speeds on these upgraded towers. It is true that they will not connect to the LTE network itself which I don't believe is really saying much. I doubt ATT is running multiple separate receivers on each tower for all their different network types. I would have to believe they are buying equipment that is capable of supporting their legacy phones while bringing new features in.
It still comes down to the same thing, if you were expecting an LTE feature on this phone in the future, you bought the wrong device. There is a reason the Thunderbolt is more expensive than the Evo and Inspire, it has an LTE chipset in it. Beyond that fact there really isn't a major difference between this phone and the Thunderbolt.
Just walked out of the store with a new "4G" SIM card. Yeah, from the sounds of it, especially after reading the comments here, all this SIM card is, is a re-branded one of the 3G card.
The only people that have told me this phone will not be able to access the LTE network are here on the forum. Thus, I trust this forum and the people here far more than any person at AT&T. Nevertheless, they absolutely need to differentiate between LTE and HSPA+. This is a fact: Every single person I have spoken to at a AT&T store in Manhattan, including the regional manager (whom set me up with this phone, for free, after my complaint about my previous phone to the CEO of AT&T wireless) has mentioned and specifically stated this phone will be able to access the LTE network.
It does not bother me one bit that I will in fact not be able to access the LTE network with this phone. No. I'm perfectly happy with the speeds now, and that I can access HSPA fine here in the city (when I am connected to HSPA, that is). In any case, by the time LTE is accessible to the masses, we'll be able to upgrade our phones. It will be quite sometime before most folks will ever be downloading with the speeds of LTE.
The real issue at hand now is being able to get the full upload/download speeds of HSPA as it still seems to be capped! One step at a time I guess. HSPA is available, I can access it fully throughout the city, however my upload speeds are still capped. This is the first hurdle to clear before going on to the next - LTE.
Would the same be true for a GSM phone?
Unlocked will it still be useful on another network?
From the experiences I've had with At$t, when my girlfriend's phone was stolen they said they would be able to track and no let whomever stole it wouldn't be able to use it on the network. To make a long story short, it was a lie, I'm pretty sure the thief is using it at this moment. Oh and it has been 5 months since it happened. When it comes to AT&T its better for you to protect yourself than rely on them.
Wouldn't all you would have to do is just pull the sim card out and toss one in there? I thought that was the whole point of GSM vs. CDMA phones. And also, hoping that whatever new sim card you get to put in there works...
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ATT can block the imei on the network so from what I understand the sim swap won't work.
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So it can be taken to another network?
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slocav said:
ATT can block the imei on the network so from what I understand the sim swap won't work.
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But the problem is that they rarely do, if at all. I will be the first one to say I despise At&t, mostly because of the terrible customer service that I've had for going on 5 years. I had to threaten to leave (i'm an authorized user on my parents account) because they often would not answer my questions or help me out. The best excuse is that they often say they send you somewhere else and the next does the same. Terrible service.
I'm currently a Straight Talk Android user (LG Optimus Q). Love the service but not the phone. I have a At&T phone that i love but need to know if anyone know how to program it (At&T Moto Atrix 4G) into a Straight Talk Pre-paid. I know they sell the sim card but is it gonna work with this phone?
I signed up for Straight Talk with my Atrix 4g last week and so far I'm loving it. Since my phone was previously on ATT, I notice absolutely no divergence in behavior or coverage. Except that now I'm not getting dinged for texts or MMS.
I'm going to move my wife's Atrix over immediately.
As long as you buy the sim for a at&t phone there is no issues. Works great. I set my girl up that way and she dont even notice its pre paid...lol...
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How to make the switch
I've been reading up on this with much interest. I have an Atrix and have been on ATT for several years. I'd like to stay with ATT but want to try using straightalk. I'm confused on how to make the switch.
Would I just get the sim from straightalk.com and acitvate it? I've been grandfathered in to ATT's "unlimited" data plan. It doesn't bother me to lose that since I'd be getting basically the same thing from straightalk.
Do I have to notify ATT that I'm switching to straightalk, or is that made transparent somehow? Thanks for any input.
AzHavicx said:
As long as you buy the sim for a at&t phone there is no issues. Works great. I set my girl up that way and she dont even notice its pre paid...lol...
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parann0yed said:
I've been reading up on this with much interest. I have an Atrix and have been on ATT for several years. I'd like to stay with ATT but want to try using straightalk. I'm confused on how to make the switch.
Would I just get the sim from straightalk.com and acitvate it? I've been grandfathered in to ATT's "unlimited" data plan. It doesn't bother me to lose that since I'd be getting basically the same thing from straightalk.
I was told that it would only get 3g (it only really ever got 3.5 g anyway lol) and I would just need to buy the correct sim card. You would just need to unlock it. If att will give you the unlock the phone its cool but you should just do it yourself and pick a rom you like.
Do I have to notify ATT that I'm switching to straightalk, or is that made transparent somehow? Thanks for any input.
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Hey,
First of all let me say I know there are other posts concerning HTC Thunderbolt on AT&T, but mine is a little different.
My wife has an HTC Thunderbolt, loves it and wants to keep it. But we have moved to a new place a few months ago, and since then we don't get any verizon reception in our place! But AT&T works, and has data!
I have a Galaxy S, and will switch it soon to take another phone with another carrier. My wife has the HTC Thunderbolt, and doesn't want to switch phone and pay a new device.
Now one small detail about my wife, she is mainly interested in data only. If there is a way for her to get internet only on her phone, she would be happy. (She sends texts via Google Voice, and can place calls on her PC).
Do you guys know if it is possible to somehow get a tablet SIM card from AT&T, put the SIM card in the SIM card slot of HTC Thunderbolt, and get internet only on the Thunderbolt ? I know the phone is CDMA, but she doesn't really need the phone or text message capability. She basically just wants a small tablet. I'm mostly saying that because I know AT&T is LTE also, and that it might work ?
Otherwise did someone succeed into changing careers with something else ? Virgin Mobile ? Cricket ? etc...
Thank you
The tbolt is CDMA but has a sim slot?
Will att sell you hotspot card and she could WiFi her tbolt to it?
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scottspa74 said:
The tbolt is CDMA but has a sim slot?
Will att sell you hotspot card and she could WiFi her tbolt to it?
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tbolt does have a sim slot. It is a hybrid phone like all 4G Verizon phones. Basically the phone uses CDMA for 3G and phone. And uses the Sim card for LTE.
We could just buy a hotspot yes, but that's an extra device to carry which she doesn't want to do.
AT&T and Verizon use different LTE bands I believe...though they are both in the 700 mhz range I doubt the thunderbolt has the radio bits to get on AT&T bands, as it predates the existence of AT&T's LTE and I don't think hardly any devices even now have that capability. I can't see the harm in throwing in a sim to see what happens, of course.
The thunderbolt lte radio doesn't operate at the same frequencies necessary to work on at&t. It was made that way so that you can't switch the phone to other providers. It will work on other cdma type networks but GSM providers like at&t are a no go.
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I'd like to add that the Verizon SIM is not your ordinary typical SIM. It's a RUIM card. I believe the thunderbolt can only accept these kind of cards as well. But in either case, Verizon’s LTE network operates in the upper half of the 700 Mhz range (746-787 Mhz), while AT&T’s operates on the lower half (704-746).
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Trade it for a HTC Inspire. Lol.
Same phone, just on AT&T.
;p
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Way easier just to get an AT&T phone. You could probably trade one outright for an Inspire 4G. They're both worth about $100 in great condition.
brandogg said:
Way easier just to get an AT&T phone. You could probably trade one outright for an Inspire 4G. They're both worth about $100 in great condition.
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That would be easier, but..... I too have wondered about what other hidden features are in the Tbolt.
Example: (It's rumored when official ICS is released for the Tbolt, international roaming will be activated or allowed.)
It's also rumored that ICS will actually be released...
Its rumored that ics will make my thunderbolt so much better it can fly.
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And yours doesn't fly already? Noobsauce!
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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And yours doesn't fly already? Noobsauce!
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Well it didn't grow wings after flashing ics so I guess I missed a wipe or something.
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So, I excitedly purchased a Nexus S 4g off eBay the other day thinking, hey it's a CDMA phone it might work on the Verizon network. Now I'm not so sure. I'd even be willing to use the Sprint network but those guys just told me Sprint has no sims and the only option is to open a 2 year contract agreement to use that phone. Sounds a little crazy to me. I'm not willing or able to do that at this time.
I need a no-contract phone carrier for the Nexus S 4g. Are there any no-contract carriers in the USA that will provide service?
My wife uses her Nexus S 4G on Metro PCS.. there is probably a guide to alternative carriers on here if you look around. She only gets 3g on it but for phone and text its perfect.
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TONYSALEM78 said:
My wife uses her Nexus S 4G on Metro PCS.. there is probably a guide to alternative carriers on here if you look around. She only gets 3g on it but for phone and text its perfect.
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Hi thanks for your reply. If I remember correctly the phone you mention would be a GSM variety. I have a CDMA version. My phone's spec name is Nexus S 4G SPH D720.
Found some good info here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers
So just to get 3g I'd need to match up a carrier that supports CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, then a compatible sim, then assuming they allow a sim swap if I have to buy one of their phones unless they have a sim program like Smart Talk.
UNLESS... and this is the real reason I posted this on XDA, I can get some information on how to flash my phone to one of these carriers. I'm now looking hard at Cricket Wireless. They're pretty good in my neighborhood. I know I can pay somebody to do the flash but where would the fun be in that even if I could afford it lol.
So any info on how to flash the phone, correct the settings or whatever else I need to do to get this phone Cricket ready is appreciated!
I'm looking into net10 now. They have a SIM program and support 3g.
My wifes phone is the same.(I think) It was a sprint phone originally. Anyhow, I was in my local metro dealer the other day and he showed me some sim cards as they are about to start using them in September for the bring your own phone program. So if you have a sim slot, that is a possible option for ya! Good luck and keep us posted what you decide,so others know their options as well.
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My wifes phone is the same.(I think) It was a sprint phone originally. Anyhow, I was in my local metro dealer the other day and he showed me some sim cards as they are about to start using them in September for the bring your own phone program. So if you have a sim slot, that is a possible option for ya! Good luck and keep us posted what you decide,so others know their options as well.
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There's no SIM card in this phone. It arrived today. They used an embedded SIM from what I understand. Although I've used Metro PCS in the past it isn't even available in my area if my phone had a SIM. I do appreciate your responses as it appears this device is not getting much love anymore. Funny thing, the phone state is still in service although Sprint has closed usage. So I get a signal and all and have discovered the Sprint network is weak in my area. Specifically my home is a dead zone practically. Back to the drawing board. Be nice if I could switch out the radio I guess. Not sure I wanna undertake all that. Seems a shame as this is still a nice device running Jellybean as well.
You can use sprint or any derivative, ie boost or possibly virgin. No sim, but the phone can be flashed to work on boost. Pretty sure of that. It will never work on anything but sprint guaranteed.
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This might help. Different phone but good information. Still might work the same. Forgot about ting! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2060085
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My opinion is buy gsm unlocked ns and your options are endless and I believe gsm has more development as well. Sell the ns4g to pay some of the difference. Gsm are almost always slightly more expensive than gsm but this Phone is 3 years old so it really shouldn't be a problem finding one for less than $100
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You could check out ting.
Thanks for the link. I'm gonna look into flashing this phone to Verizon today.
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Yeah good idea. i had very limited funds the other day while looking for a device and came across the sprint phone cheap. i figured the gsm phones would be just out of my pocket money's reach.
I might end up selling it off and getting a gsm version in the future. in the meantime i went and bought aSamsung illusion running on Verizon network. this phone is very similar to the Nexus phone. Smaller than the "s". Now that Im contracted with Verizon (prepaid) I'll see if i can move the sprint phone over via flashing it. Stay tuned!
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You could check out ting.
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I heard of ting while researching possibilities. Don't quite remember what that was all about. thanks. will check it out.
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KEB64 said:
I heard of ting while researching possibilities. Don't quite remember what that was all about. thanks. will check it out.
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Ting runs off Sprint towers. You can use any previous Sprint contract phone that Ting has on their eligibility list. Just go to their web site and enter your phone's ESN/MEID to check for eligibility.
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michaelandrew said:
Ting runs off Sprint towers. You can use any previous Sprint contract phone that Ting has on their eligibility list. Just go to their web site and enter your phone's ESN/MEID to check for eligibility.
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Good to know thank you. I ended up signing with Sprint and getting an EVO 4g LTE. I did have the nexus running on Sprint for a few days whil I made my decision.