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Sim Unlock HTC Dream

Can remove simlock from HTC Dream and from any other HTC device.
This service is not free.
You will get unlock code in 5 minutes to 72 hours.
It will costs 50$ = 34EUR = 27GBP by donation to xda-developers.com - http://forum.xda-developers.com/donations.php
Please send me a Private Message for details.
P.S. you do not need to reflash, disassembly, hard reset your device!

How is this better then just asking T-Mobile for the unlock code?

I believe they will only unlock it after 6 months of service

Chryslerq said:
I believe they will only unlock it after 6 months of service
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90 days... But with the ETF, it's not like you're going to buy from T-Mobile then cancel and use it elsewhere after unlocking it through this guy. It's much easier to buy it off of a current T-Mobile subscriber if you plan on using it with another network.

Black93300ZX said:
90 days... But with the ETF, it's not like you're going to buy from T-Mobile then cancel and use it elsewhere after unlocking it through this guy. It's much easier to buy it off of a current T-Mobile subscriber if you plan on using it with another network.
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you can just buy it from somewhere else. e.g. eBay and you might want to use it on other carriers. or you might just want to have an unlocked phone in case you travel and put different sim card on it.

sumitescp said:
you can just buy it from somewhere else. e.g. eBay and you might want to use it on other carriers. or you might just want to have an unlocked phone in case you travel and put different sim card on it.
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Right, I understand the reason for having an unlocked phone... I don't think I'd pay that much for an unlock, but whatevs.

It seems like the XDA Dev team will probably have a way to unlock it in a couple weeks anyway especially if the OS is open.

dagentooboy said:
It seems like the XDA Dev team will probably have a way to unlock it in a couple weeks anyway especially if the OS is open.
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You have to remember, it's only on T-Mobile in the US for now... I don't know if I should expect the developers of SIM unlocks (olipro/cmonex have done most of the work in that department) to get their hands on one... Maybe they'll grab one just for development, but for all we know their only plans could be to stay with the Touch Diamond/Pro/HD.

I dunno. We still don't really know how "open" the Android OS is yet. Although the kernel is open and freely available, it handles low-level hardware functions. SIM functions seem to be handled higher up in the Android stack and not all the Android source code has been released yet. Unless I'm missing something, it's a wait-and-see situation as far as SIM unlocking goes.
Even if I were to want an unlocked G1 (which I don't) I'd be wary of shelling out $50 for an unlocker to a phone that hasn't been released yet. And honestly, tmo's unlocking policy is very liberal as it is.

i am not a t-mobile customer, but the rest of my family is. i buy t-mobile phones all the time and i get the unlock code no problems. i'm not sure on if they are gonna give the unlock code right away, but if not i can always get the unlock code through my family. i hope we get a free unlocker before i get around to getting the phone

i work for t-mobile UK and on a contract you only have to have the phone for a month then you can buy an unlock code for £15
so you save yourself alot of money doing it via T-mobile UK plus they now issue most unlock codes on the spot unlike their old 28days in the post way

T-Mobile USA's policy is one, free unlock code every 90 days.
And I don't understand why you'd care about SIM-unlocking it, as the US version is really only good on T-Mobile's 3G network. T-Mobile uses different 3G frequencies than AT&T and the rest of the world. As I understood it, the European version will have a different radio set inside. I'd like to hope I'm wrong, but I understood that to be the case.

beartard said:
T-Mobile USA's policy is one, free unlock code every 90 days.
And I don't understand why you'd care about SIM-unlocking it, as the US version is really only good on T-Mobile's 3G network. T-Mobile uses different 3G frequencies than AT&T and the rest of the world. As I understood it, the European version will have a different radio set inside. I'd like to hope I'm wrong, but I understood that to be the case.
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actually i think the G1 could be used anywhere
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHz
hex-band phone
i believe 900/1800 is eu band
and
850/1900 is at&t usa

warwolfx0 said:
actually i think the G1 could be used anywhere
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHz
hex-band phone
i believe 900/1800 is eu band
and
850/1900 is at&t usa
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You're confusing GSM frequencies with 3G frequencies. No phone maker yet has made a phone containing all the GSM frequencies, all the 3G frequencies, *and* the new tmo USA 3G frequencies. You can use the phone anywhere, but the 3G data would be crippled on anything but tmo-USA...and even tmo has said that the phone would pretty much suck without 3G.

ok you may be right about the frequencies
but the spec dose say that
HSDPA/WCDMA:
Europe: 2100 MHz
so it may not work with at&t 3g
but it might work in EU on 3g

Again, that's not what I'm hearing. The G1 in the US is configured for download on tmo's 1700MHz spectrum and upload only on 2100MHz. If I recall correctly, Europe does it all on 2100. That's the part I hope I'm wrong on, but just having "2100" on it doesn't mean it's configured for the particular part of the band that the Europhones use.

Chryslerq said:
I believe they will only unlock it after 6 months of service
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90 days of continued satisfactory service will do.

what you all forget is that he is doing it non profit.
all the time he has been doing these unlocks, its probably helped a lot to the upkeep of the site.

beartard said:
Again, that's not what I'm hearing. The G1 in the US is configured for download on tmo's 1700MHz spectrum and upload only on 2100MHz. If I recall correctly, Europe does it all on 2100. That's the part I hope I'm wrong on, but just having "2100" on it doesn't mean it's configured for the particular part of the band that the Europhones use.
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WOW! that would suck if that was the case- i think i will wait until someone else over here in Australia has tried one first

beartard said:
Again, that's not what I'm hearing. The G1 in the US is configured for download on tmo's 1700MHz spectrum and upload only on 2100MHz. If I recall correctly, Europe does it all on 2100. That's the part I hope I'm wrong on, but just having "2100" on it doesn't mean it's configured for the particular part of the band that the Europhones use.
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Euro/Asia 3G (WCDMA Band I) uses 1900 for UL and 2100 for DL while T-Mobile AWS (WCDMA Band IV) uses 1700 for UL and 2100 for DL. However, WCDMA Band I was called UMTS 2100 therefore the confusion.
BTW the T-Mobile G1 is a dual-band HSDPA phone (T-Mobile AWS and UMTS 2100)

[Q] Droid 2 Global 3G Bands outside the US

Hi all. I've just found out about this brilliant phone. Had no idea it existed. I've always liked the Motorola Milestone (qwerty physical keyboards are a must to me) however i ended up getting the wrong version of the milestone (european) with the wrong 3G bands for my carrier so i could only get Edge speeds.
Anyways, it seems like the Droid 2 Global version uses simcards. I live in the Dominican Republic, Claro (my carrier) runs on the 850/1900 bands and it seems like the D2G can work with them, in theory. I've been reading a couple of threads regarding this though, it seems like those bands have been locked out by verizon so people don't use it on other US carriers such as AT&T which happens to run on the same bands i need (850/1900). But others say its the carrier ID that has been locked out. I read something about a user being able to get 3G speeds on Chile, but i've no idea what bands he was using.
What i want to know is, if i ordered a Droid 2 Global phone, would i be getting 3G speeds using my Claro simcard here after having it sim-unlocked?
There's also the Milestone 2 of course, but they seem to cost $500+ plus they dont specify which bands the phone works with. I dont want to end up buying the wrong phone version again. Also, It seemsl ike the droid 2 global is being sold for a less ($300-400).

XtriFe said:
Hi all. I've just found out about this brilliant phone. Had no idea it existed. I've always liked the Motorola Milestone (qwerty physical keyboards are a must to me) however i ended up getting the wrong version of the milestone (european) with the wrong 3G bands for my carrier so i could only get Edge speeds.
Anyways, it seems like the Droid 2 Global version uses simcards. I live in the Dominican Republic, Claro (my carrier) runs on the 850/1900 bands and it seems like the D2G can work with them, in theory. I've been reading a couple of threads regarding this though, it seems like those bands have been locked out by verizon so people don't use it on other US carriers such as AT&T which happens to run on the same bands i need (850/1900). But others say its the carrier ID that has been locked out. I read something about a user being able to get 3G speeds on Chile, but i've no idea what bands he was using.
What i want to know is, if i ordered a Droid 2 Global phone, would i be getting 3G speeds using my Claro simcard here after having it sim-unlocked?
There's also the Milestone 2 of course, but they seem to cost $500+ plus they dont specify which bands the phone works with. I dont want to end up buying the wrong phone version again. Also, It seemsl ike the droid 2 global is being sold for a less ($300-400).
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http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_2_global-3636.php
read the spec

I am using my SIM-unlocked D2G fine here, on a carrier that uses 850MHz UMTS.
The Milestone 2, as far as I know, is still only available in a 900/2100 UMTS variant so far.
From what I gather, the lock Verizon put on the radio to prevent use on US GSM carriers is based on the MCC (mobile country code) number associated with networks based in the USA, and not the frequencies themselves. In effect, once unlocked the phone will work with any GSM provider (on a supported frequency), except those based in the U.S. This would explain why the AT&T 850MHz network (MCC 301) doesn't work, whereas the Telstra 850MHz network I use (MCC 505) does.
One complication about buying a Droid 2 Global now, is that from various reports on this forum, some devices don't respond to their SIM unlock codes (!) and are effectively unlockable. If I were buying a D2G now for use on a GSM carrier, I'd only buy one that has already been unlocked - wouldn't want to take the chance on getting a phone that is unlockable. This might be why some are being listed for dirt cheap!

helmutiffe said:
I am using my SIM-unlocked D2G fine here, on a carrier that uses 850MHz UMTS.
From what I gather, the lock Verizon put on the radio to prevent use on US GSM carriers is based on the MCC (mobile country code) number associated with networks based in the USA, and not the frequencies themselves. In effect, once unlocked the phone will work with any GSM provider (on a supported frequency), except those based in the U.S. This would explain why the AT&T 850MHz network (MCC 301) doesn't work, whereas the Telstra 850MHz network I use (MCC 505) does.
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Brilliant, thats what i wanted to know, many thanks !
helmutiffe said:
One complication about buying a Droid 2 Global now, is that from various reports on this forum, some devices don't respond to their SIM unlock codes (!) and are effectively unlockable. If I were buying a D2G now for use on a GSM carrier, I'd only buy one that has already been unlocked - wouldn't want to take the chance on getting a phone that is unlockable. This might be why some are being listed for dirt cheap!
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Wow thats not good is it. Thanks for the advice, i'll make sure the phone is unlocked. I've never really understood how phones are unlocked by third party anyways. But I understand you can have them unlocked by giving verizon a call and under certain conditions, they'll provide the unlock code for free.

I was in the Dominican Republic last week with my D2G and it worked perfectly (unlocked using Rogers Canada service). Claro service sucked a bit (coverage wise) but worked fine (3G), Orange (EDGE) seemed a bit better where I was.
I am pretty sure you will be fine AS LONG AS you get unlockable/unlocked D2G.

ok one last question,
does anyone know if a droid with bad esn will work ok with a different carrier's simcard if unlocked?
I would assume droids with bad esn will be going for cheaper on ebay

bas esn mean d phone could be stolen so it will b a hassle to clear the esn

How can one know if the phone has a bad ESN? Just wondering.

TripleMPower said:
How can one know if the phone has a bad ESN? Just wondering.
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Obtain the esn from whomever you are purchasing from. Then ask Verizon regarding the esn you were provided.
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but wouldnt you only need a clear ESN if you're going to use the phone with CDMA? or would that affect GSM usage as well ? (simcards)

According to the eBay listing I bought mine from, it has a bad ESN (at least, it explicitly stated "will not activate on Verizon") - but the GSM/UMTS radio works fine.

helmutiffe said:
According to the eBay listing I bought mine from, it has a bad ESN (at least, it explicitly stated "will not activate on Verizon") - but the GSM/UMTS radio works fine.
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Bad ESN will only affect use on Verizon and its MNVOs (possibly). GSM networks will work fine. Just remember though if it's not already unlocked, and the ebay unlocker codes don't work, it will probably be near impossible getting verizon to give you the code for a phone with bad esn.

thanks for the info. I''ll look for unlocked plus bad ESN phones on ebay and see if theyre any cheaper

nexus s overseas. are ALL nexus s' really carrier unlocked?

i cannot seem to find a straight answer to whether ALL nexus s' ship carrier unlocked. i live in philippines and the phone is being offered through globe although i plan to use the phone under the smart network. i was under the impression that google shipped all of these unlocked but i'm hearing from few people that it is PROBABLY locked to globe. i also see unlocking services that offer unlock codes for this particular phone on their websites implying that some of them do come carrier locked. can anyone confirm if these are all unlocked or not? thanks

the nexus s is not "carrier unlocked". it never was advertised as. even though 2g(edge) will probably work on any carrier, 3G(or 4G) is carrier spscific. thats why there are different versions of the nexus s. it will work on other networks as long as the 3G bands are the same. the nexus s is bootloader unlocked(well, you can unlock/lock it yourself).

isnt 3g/4g only carrier specific because of the carrier 3g frequency bands? i'm purchasing the phone here in the philippines which uses 900/2100mhz to connect to 3g as it is the standard operating 3g band for all europe and asia. my main concern is whether i will need an unlock code for the phone to even work with a sim card from a different carrier than the one i originally bought it for. 2g will work on every carrier and 3g will work only if that device supports your carriers 3g frequency band but before connecting to either one, the phone has to be unlocked and pass the "sim check"

shr0omz said:
isnt 3g/4g only carrier specific because of the carrier 3g frequency bands? i'm purchasing the phone here in the philippines which uses 900/2100mhz to connect to 3g as it is the standard operating 3g band for all europe and asia. my main concern is whether i will need an unlock code for the phone to even work with a sim card from a different carrier than the one i originally bought it for. 2g will work on every carrier and 3g will work only if that device supports your carriers 3g frequency band but before connecting to either one, the phone has to be unlocked and pass the "sim check"
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ahhh..
if the frequency is the same, itll work. no sim unlock code needed. i missunderstood, sorry.

thanks for the quick response. no need for apologies... easy to get mixed up with all this cellphone termanology nowadays =). i just didnt want to say 'unlocked' because it wouldve been too vague. 'sim lock' probably wouldve been a better term in my original post.

shr0omz said:
thanks for the quick response. no need for apologies... easy to get mixed up with all this cellphone termanology nowadays =). i just didnt want to say 'unlocked' because it wouldve been too vague. 'sim lock' probably wouldve been a better term in my original post.
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None of them have any carrier lock. However you'll likely want the correct phone for your 3g frequencies. You could use the wrong one, you just won't get HSPA
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shr0omz said:
i cannot seem to find a straight answer to whether ALL nexus s' ship carrier unlocked. i live in philippines and the phone is being offered through globe although i plan to use the phone under the smart network. i was under the impression that google shipped all of these unlocked but i'm hearing from few people that it is PROBABLY locked to globe. i also see unlocking services that offer unlock codes for this particular phone on their websites implying that some of them do come carrier locked. can anyone confirm if these are all unlocked or not? thanks
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dude! lucky you i found this thread
I bought mine through Globe. I tested officemate#1's Sun sim and had officemate#2 send a text message to that sim while in my Nexus S, and I received it. I also sent a text message back to officemate#2 still using the Sun sim. and she got it back. So I guess we can say it's unlocked
Im not sure if I got lucky getting an unlocked Nexus S (even though there's a small sticker inside the Nexus S that says "this mobile may only be used with a Globe Sim card").
but i've read a lot of forum (since im researching about this because i have plans of using this in Singapore and i hate going through the hassle of unrooting and unlocking) and a lot of them say Nexus S units are unlocked even when a telecom carries it.

mbolinao said:
dude! lucky you i found this thread
I bought mine through Globe. I tested officemate#1's Sun sim and had officemate#2 send a text message to that sim while in my Nexus S, and I received it. I also sent a text message back to officemate#2 still using the Sun sim. and she got it back. So I guess we can say it's unlocked
Im not sure if I got lucky getting an unlocked Nexus S (even though there's a small sticker inside the Nexus S that says "this mobile may only be used with a Globe Sim card").
but i've read a lot of forum (since im researching about this because i have plans of using this in Singapore and i hate going through the hassle of unrooting and unlocking) and a lot of them say Nexus S units are unlocked even when a telecom carries it.
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Google won't allow any provider to touch the software on the nexus line. So no matter what stickers it has or what the sales rep tells you, the phone is sim unlocked.
Sent from my Nexus S

oke this is actually a really simple answer.without the bloat information of the other guy's(sorry no offence.nice job participating in the question though)
the only carrier locked nexus.
is the nexus S 4G
cuz sprint doesnt use GSM+/hsdpa+
for its 4G.
the nexus S itself is a GSM phone.and will work on any GSM/HSDPA network.
i imported my nexus S out of the US. and it works fine on my Ben.nl sim(with working HSDPA,3G ect)
Ben.nl being a sister company of tmo-nl
Previously known as Samsung i9020
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
Announced 2010, December
Status Available. Released 2010, December

In korea, that is fine! Korea model is not i9020.
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ghost010 said:
oke this is actually a really simple answer.without the bloat information of the other guy's(sorry no offence.nice job participating in the question though)
the only carrier locked nexus.
is the nexus S 4G
cuz sprint doesnt use GSM+/hsdpa+
for its 4G.
the nexus S itself is a GSM phone.and will work on any GSM/HSDPA network.
i imported my nexus S out of the US. and it works fine on my Ben.nl sim(with working HSDPA,3G ect)
Ben.nl being a sister company of tmo-nl
Previously known as Samsung i9020
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
Announced 2010, December
Status Available. Released 2010, December
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wow looks like a really simple answer LOL

Will I be able to use Nexus S (SHW-M200k) in India
Recently I bought a SHW-200K in South Korea.
Will I be able to use the phone in India.
I wanted a SUPER AMOLED model and I read at many places that Nexus S comes in unlocked versions only.
Is it True?

Does your carrier in India use the same frequencies as the Korean model you bought? Did you at least look that up first?
Sent from my Nexus S 4G

I am not sure about the frequency used in India and Korea.
Before purchasing the product in Korea, I had checked if the phone would be working with the SIM card that I use in India. It was working.
The Nexus S variant that released in India says that it supports the following
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
I am trying to explore more about the frequency related things that you mentioned.

I was told that they all come carrier unlocked.
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HTC 7 Pro network options?

I friend offered me the opportunity to buy an HTC Arrive/7 Pro for a very attractive price, without contract, naturally.
Now, I love WP7, and I like my T-Mobile family plan (in the United States). Unfortunately, I'm a totally newbie in the area of using phones on different carriers. From what I understand, I think it's possible to use an HTC Arrive with a T-Mobile sim card, and make calls, but you cannot modify/unlock it to get 3G support, which I do kind of need.
Am I correct? Or am I way off? It'd be great if I could get it working, complete with 3G, with a little work, on the T-Mobile network, but it's just as possible that I couldn't even make basic calls.

3G worked fine (here in Europe) on tested HTC 7 Pro...
if you want use different mobile carriers, your device must be SIM free (SIM unlocked)

So, it would be possible to use my T-Mobile 3G, provided the phone was unlocked?
I've always been a bit fuzzy on the distinction between a normal non-contract phone, and one that is actually unlocked. I do know, of course, that unlocked phones go for a much steeper price then their locked counterparts...I've seen some websites detailing instructions how to do this, allegedly, is this something I could do myself to a non-contract phone (albiet with paying for a code)?

Phone must be unlock (no branding and no simlock). You nothng write about simlock that phone. When device not have simlock you can use everything simcard and everything frequency, but I don't know how work T-Mobile in your country (not from where you wrote) maybe operator locking 3G but i don't think. You must plug in sim card to phone and check that.

Ah, I'm starting to understand, I think. The HTC 7 Pro is, unlike a lot of Sprint's phones, GSM, HSDPA, WiFi, CDMA compatible--T-Mobile's phones are all GSM. I'm in the USA myself.
However, I can't say anything about frequencieis or anything like that. Has anyone ever tried? If not, I may have to just break down and try on the phone first (with an unlocking code).

I'm not sure but I think that HTC 7 Pro and HTC Arrive is the same only difference to Arrive not supported pre-NoDo. You must try plug in sim card and you learn.
On the page HTC specifications wrote that 7 Pro and Arrive frequency is the same:
Network
AT&T:
HSDPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Telus:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
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http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-7-pro/#specs
You must try.

Thank you, I think my only option will be to try.
I was able to find some information on T-Mobile's frequencies, but not Sprint's, at the moment.
I'll be able to return the phone, so the cost would be, potentially, the cost for the unlock code (assuming HTC won't give me one for free). I may have to try this out myself.

Sprint is CDMA and the Arrive doesn't have a SIM card (I have the Arrive and know this for a fact). You won't be able to use it on T-Mobile or AT&T.

LayneRobinson said:
Sprint is CDMA and the Arrive doesn't have a SIM card (I have the Arrive and know this for a fact). You won't be able to use it on T-Mobile or AT&T.
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I was about to say this, but I'll add my hat to the ring and also say there is no SIM card slot on the 7 Pro (Like there was on the TP2).
Though I wish there was. It makes the Photon look really compelling. :/

Really? That's extremely strange, there's a thread on this site showing how to access the SIM card slot and MicroSD slot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996015
Maybe this is only for HTC 7 Pros outside the US, which are not CMDA?

Desynthesis said:
Really? That's extremely strange, there's a thread on this site showing how to access the SIM card slot and MicroSD slot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996015
Maybe this is only for HTC 7 Pros outside the US, which are not CMDA?
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The guy who made that thread is from Prague, to that's probably the Euro version of the 7 Pro. Europe is mostly GSM. So if you got the unlocked Euro version, it would work on T-Mob, but only EDGE data, not 3G/4G. T-Mobile uses an oddball 3G frequency (UMTS 1700/2100 MHz, also called Band IV), that is not shared by many other networks in the world.

Desynthesis said:
Really? That's extremely strange, there's a thread on this site showing how to access the SIM card slot and MicroSD slot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996015
Maybe this is only for HTC 7 Pros outside the US, which are not CMDA?
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Err, I did a funny. I meant to say the Arrive and 7 Pro for US Cellular.

Mobile phone for italy

Xda Dear friends, I want to understand something, I would buy a phone from the states, the problem of the consignment through baipassato very useful website (viaddress) I find myself having to choose between the various types of cell present them with the board, without board, t-mobile, verizon, unlooked, etc., which can also be used in Italy?

Anything unlocked GSM with 850/1900 HSPA frequencies (aka AT&T frequencies).
But why are you ordering from the US? Surely the unlocked prices are much better from elsewhere in Europe.

so long as it's unlooked, because of the vast majority unlooked not report if they are at & t or verizon or t-moblile, says only unloked

ulkika said:
so long as it's unlooked, because of the vast majority unlooked not report if they are at & t or verizon or t-moblile, says only unloked
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Sorry having trouble understanding...
Phones in the US are rarely unlocked. They're almost always carrier locked devices.
Not to mention that ordering from the US severely cuts your choices down. The only phones that'll work in Italy are from AT&T. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, and T-Mobile operates on different frequencies.
If you're in Italy looking for a device, the US is the wrong place to look.

I apologize but I had a t-mobile htc hd2 and it worked well but not great compared all'hd2 I've had since, as you said?

Also, several people in Italy are selling t-mobile, if as you say they work on different bands why we find them for sale.

not 'not true that mobile phones are cheaper in Europe, especially for used here in Italy is still a well spent money.

T-Mobile in Europe (run by Deutsche Telekom) is different from T-Mobile US.
Every carrier in Europe (with few exceptions) are running on 850/1900 HSPA+ (or within normal quadband UMTS). Buying a T-Mobile branded phone from the US means that it will not get 3G on your networks in Europe. T-Mo US branded phones in the US have AWS for HSPA+ (that's 1700/2100).
As I've said earlier and said in my reply to your PM, buying from the US market will not save you any money, and it will cause more problems for you. Retailers do not sell unlocked phones in the US. They're locked, and you will have even less of a selection because only AT&T has compatible bands for you. T-Mobile US, Sprint, and Verizon phones will not work for you in Italy.
As I said before and in my PM, just buy from Europe. You'll get an unlocked device that will work for your networks, and won't have to deal with hassles of importing form outside the EU. There are tons of quality importers, such as www.handtec.com, www.clove.com, www.expansys.com, and others. There's a reason why people who want cheaper unlocked phones for the US buy from Europe....
Prices are not lower in the US.