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Is it me or has development slow down a bit! It seems it started out strong and lately we haven't seen much aside from Faux and CM updating their ASOP roms.
I mean we don't really have any themers either! I know if I could I would make some!
Coming from the Vibrant there was a lot of themes and dev going on!
Now I know it's been less than two months, but the way it started out I thought we would have more going on!
I guess maybe everyone is waiting on the GB update when ever we get it!
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we waiting 2.3
gonna be here on 06/16/11
I hope GB gets here on 6/16 that would be the best B-day present I could get lol
I have a replacement unit coming the 22nd, I hope it comes with 2.3 already in it!
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There are lots of themes. CM7 uses T-Mobile themes and they are downloadable in the market.
No reason to mod stock unless you install the cm theme support.
LG G2x CM7 2.3.4
couple things.
waiting for the gingerbread source from lg to insure everything needed will work. and dont want to release a rom at this point where i cant tell if reboots , wifi, 4g(whre it shuts down than takes a while to start again), as well as gps.
when these features are working on the phone as should than ill start the rom, but no care to spend days trying to figure out why something doesnt work when its the darn baseband that i cant mess with.
themes. the theming engine has taken over unfortunately. it does theme and is a lot easier for the themers(after they learn it) since 1 theme works on all roms. but its just not like the old days where every app was themed and such. some have taken time to write scripts and such so they can make a better more inclusive theme with it , but most of the themes for it are color changes and icons not full themes with every app themed as we were use to . I know several of the themes that are on my rom for the droid would never be able to be as complete through the theming engine. but it does ok just different. and does enable many more themes available to all roms. and its not like a this or that themes can still be made the old way. but with the old way you need to update the theme with every new build(framework) of the rom so since these roms are in constant change at this point i dont think many are spending time theming it. especially froyo.
Honestly I can't speak for everyone but I have to many projects going on and I don't want to release buggy roms to you guys. I have not stopped working but I would love to see 2.3 drop as it would be (hopefully) more stable in general as they had time to get the bugs out.
Look at it like this the more time we have to spend working on battery drivers the less time we have making good roms. LG did not tell even close to the truth as this was supposed to be a true google experience (MY ASS IT IS) so we already had to spend countless hours removing BS they left it from the O2X.
Anyways look for more stuff soon I am sure as currenlty I am working on my rom again and I know of other hidden stuff getting done. (sorry can't say what all it is yet)
Later.
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Honestly I can't speak for everyone but I have to many projects going on and I don't want to release buggy roms to you guys. I have not stopped working but I would love to see 2.3 drop as it would be (hopefully) more stable in general as they had time to get the bugs out.
Look at it like this the more time we have to spend working on battery drivers the less time we have making good roms. LG did not tell even close to the truth as this was supposed to be a true google experience (MY ASS IT IS) so we already had to spend countless hours removing BS they left it from the O2X.
Anyways look for more stuff soon I am sure as currenlty I am working on my rom again and I know of other hidden stuff getting done. (sorry can't say what all it is yet)
Later.
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cant tell us what it is geez well will it be out "by summer"
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cant tell us what it is geez well will it be out "by summer"
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LMAO I will give you a LG and T-mobile response.. It will be out before summer but that could be sometime before 2020
Seriously I wasn't trying to get your hopes up for one thing but just getting you guys to understand alot goes on behind the scenes and no one is quitting on you guys
yeah i know
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LMAO I will give you a LG and T-mobile response.. It will be out before summer but that could be sometime before 2020
Seriously I wasn't trying to get your hopes up for one thing but just getting you guys to understand alot goes on behind the scenes and no one is quitting on you guys
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i was gonna do a quick port of my rom for my own use but when i looked at the source code for g2x froyo-- it appears al they did was remove the instruction sets for the overlay of the o2x all that crud is in the framework and elsewhere and just seemed like to much hassle, so waiting for the gb and hopfully a more stable driverset and baseband.
or keep the life i actaully have now that was non existant for the 9 months i developed for the droid 1
maybe ill just leave it up to you
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or keep the life i actaully have now that was non existant for the 9 months i developed for the droid 1
maybe ill just leave it up to you
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Personally I say the more the merrier as I really do care about the end users. I hope to see more people jump in even if it is only a rom modded by adding removing a few things as everyone has to start somewhere.
Anyone can use my rom as a base all I ask is some credit or atleast send me a pm.
And I will always try to answer any questions as long as I got the time
too true
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Personally I say the more the merrier as I really do care about the end users. I hope to see more people jump in even if it is only a rom modded by adding removing a few things as everyone has to start somewhere.
Anyone can use my rom as a base all I ask is some credit or atleast send me a pm.
And I will always try to answer any questions as long as I got the time
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more options are good.
my rom was called sourcery so it kinda had to be from source
i am not with the co0developer of that anymore so id have to comeup with another cool name. but still rather do from source than others base , but might use lg gb as a base if they release it.(hopefully without all the o2x crud) or let us make use of it 1 or the other.
but yeah all the initial launch build was is a o2x froyo themed rom.
have you played around with the animated pull down stuff. looks kinda cool and on the g2x it shouldnt hurt performance much. kinda something new.
I would love to see another rom made from source. I have been working on a 2.2 from source but not even close to being release ready as buggier then crap
Anyways I am sure the crack flashers would love another rom to try out
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I would love to see another rom made from source. I have been working on a 2.2 from source but not even close to being release ready as buggier then crap
Anyways I am sure the crack flashers would love another rom to try out
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2.2.2 i think is not as stable as 2.2.1 i lost 200 on quandrant with it not sure why but from 2.2.1 same rom same mods.
Over all its ok. i released the 2.2.2 rom 3 days after the source was released. did a serious rebuild from scratch since i was about ready to release the 2.2.1
i remember i had a couple bugs i had to figure out that werent on 2.2.1 but i forget what they were .
you have any questions or need a little help drop me a pm.
ill help where i can.
this is a link to my rom since i think only people on verizon have ever heard of it
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/sourcery-rom/
@tweezit I for one appreciate all the work you guys put into supporting this phone. I know it takes a lot of time and hard work. If seems some of us are impatient it's only because we are. Seriously, you are making a great device better and I thank you for it.
@Eagle1967 Just checked your Rom out and I would love to see a port...really slick stuff there...great app inclusions and love the blue/black theme.
I'm wading into this myself...been playing around with it but any kind of release is at least a couple month away...if ever. Really makes me appreciate what you guys do.
thanks
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@tweezit I for one appreciate all the work you guys put into supporting this phone. I know it takes a lot of time and hard work. If seems some of us are impatient it's only because we are. Seriously, you are making a great device better and I thank you for it.
@Eagle1967 Just checked your Rom out and I would love to see a port...really slick stuff there...great app inclusions and love the blue/black theme.
I'm wading into this myself...been playing around with it but any kind of release is at least a couple month away...if ever. Really makes me appreciate what you guys do.
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when i started i knew nothing. i started in august last year was late september before i actaully got my first build that completed and installed and ran and first release was on christmas so took a long time but i started with no knowlege of any of it. still not always sure what i do to make it work it just does
yeah it took 9 months of my life part of the reason i stopped(part ).. but it was fun and made me feel like i accomplished something. i cant believe how popular the rom still is since i havent really done anything with it since febuary but it was the first custom rom with froyo 2.2.2 and actually was for quite a while until some gave up on gingerbread and went back i think there is still only 1 other 2.2.2 rom for the droid though.
if you have any questions feel free to pm me. ill help you out if i can.
I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?
I think part of it is LG's quick memory regarding it. Quick as in quick to forget it, and Nvidia won't release driver source so devs are forced to reuse the 2.3.3 release in order to get 100% functionality.
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I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?
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Some devs don't post updates on xda. Some of them give updatea via twitter or other sites. But it's not dead.
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Does anyone know if they will ever release new drivers? So basically until they do which is most likely never this phone has been as updated as possible? I noticed CM7 is still updating which means 2.3.6 so is there much chance of ICS? Finally who are some good people to follow on twitter for good roms? Thanks a ton guys!
due to overall problems
I believe there were many more developers that planned on developing for the g2x and bought the device to do so as i did.
But with so may problems at the start i just didnt want to even attempt to rom for this device and be blamed when the phone self destructed. after much tampering it is running pretty well but i just dont trust the phone and im sure there are some others that didnt work on the G2X for the same reason. There are some very good options out there and talented people that are working on the G2x. so dont be afraid due to low quanity because there is some high quality work done.
Not sure it will grow much since its been obvious that tmobile and lg's fix for the phone is to shutup until it goes away. But the roms have the phone running pretty well and you wont be disapointed, But i would wait until oct 12th and get the hercules(even without the samsung chip) will be a killer phone or the HTC coming out the same day with similar specs.
This phone works fabulously with CyanogenMod, EXCEPT that bluetooth audio (to a wireless headset or whatever) doesn't work.
Other than that, EVEYRYTHING works. Love this phone.
Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).
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barqers said:
Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).
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will be the best hope to get icecream running. if they do so than other rommers will also follow suite. but cm leads the way on drivers and such for most roms. so if they dont do it ussually noone does. But i wouldnt expect to see anything from LG, they have not shown anything in the way of skill or care to put out updates for their devices.
Because there ate stable ROMs out there and you can only do so much. Other lively dev sections ate deceiving - 20 variations of the stock ROM with different wallpapers and start up screens does not mean a lot of development for the phone.
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I've been running cm7 for about a month now and I'm really happy with it. Every other rom I try have issues and I always come back to cm7. It makes the g2x a very good phone IMO
There are plenty of devs to follow just some took some time off to dev for other devices ... I follow fitsnugly because he does some great compiling with his roms ... Morfic has some awesome kernals and faux123 has his aosp rom and awesome kernals... doniqq has his eaglesblood roms ... whitehawkx has weapon rom... so there's plenty ... I'm a crackflasher so I'm always running something different .... I felt the same way ..Was thinking of jumping ship to a different phone but I just live this phone... Just look around the forum.. there's always somthing ...
One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.
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One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.
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I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...
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I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...
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Yup. Work and personal for me too. I tried a few market apps but I just couldn't find something that I was happy with. It was kind of a deal breaker for me considering I really wanted to stick to CM7 for the ridiculous theme/customization options out there.
Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA
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Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA
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I was running this rom up until 5 minutes ago... I just reflashed fitsnuglys 9/27 kang... Dont get me wrong the 2.3.3 roms are great... There's just something about the cm7 and the kangs that I like... There's always something new added to them and for me they seem to make my phone run better ... Sure there's no LG camera but there's plenty of camera market apps..
Yeah, I see updates for ROMs pretty often, every 5-10days, that's a good release period, and if you want to use a ROM that is constantly being developed just run CM7, a lot of people say it's not good with battery but if you flash one of morfics kernels you will have great battery life. Some people run into issues with it but if you wipe everything you should be fine. Faux's AOSP Rom+Kernel run great together also.
While development might have slowed down a bit for this phone, there's still plenty of excellent devs and roms to choose from. I have always preferred faux's aosp rom/kernel combo for my daily stable/very reliable/great performing/battery life.
Now if you want to see no development look no further then the mytouch4g slide thread. That's just sad cuz even the og mt4g has tons of devs working on it and its still a great phone.
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CONSIDER THIS THREAD CLOSED
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.
jbdubbs said:
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.
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I realized this too, but hey, they can do whatever they want.
I mean I know why they aren't completely functional and stable, but I'm confused as to why we've became so obsessed with ICS that we have 50 different ICS ROMs and pretty much all of them are the same just with different settings or whatever. That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Things in common
As stated-many roms share problems. As a lover of mt4g anything that keeps my phone alive is progress. Sure ics has camera and some other isssues,but as we all should know and have all been told"this is a work in progress". Many folks = many efforts= different outcomes. Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases. We can always go back to gb. Remember when some gb had camera problems? In time all gets worked out. Besides no arm twisting is done to make us use a rom,it's a matter of personal choice. Am content to wait till camera fix is out but will continue to use ics. Thanks to all the fellas who work for free and express their individuality with the work produced. "drive on"
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That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Yes. This is me too.
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trofmoc said:
Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases.
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Actually, every ICS ROM in the development forum has the camera problem. The "camera problem" being the total lack of video capture unless you use a third party program and capture in VGA resolution at less than 10 fps. As far as I'm concerned, that means the video camera doesn't work, and there isn't a ROM that's worked around this.
Also, so far I've used at least five different ICS ROMS and all of them seem to have soft reboot problems of some sort. Some worse than others, but its there. Usually having to do with the browser or programs that use the stock browser.
Since a camera don't mean anything to me...I am using sense 4 hybrid, which is suprisingly very stable, minus the camera of course. But my wife on the other hand, has to have a camera, so I put sense 3.5 on hers, which is basically perfect in functionality.
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I literally just flashed that Sense 4 Hybrid, and it about blew my ear off with the music on the boot screen.........
lack of a kernel prevents certain hardware from working correctly
however, i do agree that there are WAY too many SIMILAR roms (and some from the same dev, too). itd be nice to try to put all your resources on one AOSP, one AOKP/CM9, and one ICS-Sense.. teamwork! community! linux!
to each thier own, i guess. lets appreciate all the ROMs.. because if we didnt have any devs still working here wed be a lot more annoyed
On the bright side, as fixes are found/created the existing ROMs can be patched and you'll have more functioning ROMs to choose from. Also, these guys went from ports to compiling and then they started modding framework-res.apk's and SystemUI.apk's for theming. Essentially, if they hadn't done all this work their knowledge would not have progressed like it has. Now they will be able to use those skills to continue to benefit the whole community if they choose.
Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Way to go fellas...say goodbye to Awesome. Anyway, do yo guys read the ICS OPs? Here is a nice quote that explains stuff. Bit seriously. Be thankful for ICS....posts like these make us feel unappreciated.
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FAQ - THE BIG PICTURE
What is ICS?
ICS is Ice Cream Sandwich - Google's latest version of Android.
- Some of the very latest phones on the market already have it installed. e.g HTC One series
- Some slightly older phones will eventually be 'upgraded' to ICS e.g Desire HD, but this may be a number of months away, and promised 'upgrades' have sometimes never been delivered at all.
- If / when it does arrive for Desire HD it may not happen for everybody at the same time, sometimes it's carrier by carrier, and finally 'retail' (non carrier branded) handsets that get the upgrade last!
- If / when it does arrive, it will be overlayed with HTC's Sense (some like it, some don't)
- In the meantime, folks are working on getting ICS on your Desire HD BEFORE it's officially released for the phone, with and without Sense (giving you a choice)
So why don't some features work?
Well, the ICS being used on Desire HD is 'taken' from officially released ICS phones like the HTC One range, or 'leaked' ROMS from similar phones.
However, those phones have slightly different hardware and features than the Desire HD - so they aren't exactly the same. This means that parts of the software have to be 'ported' to work on the Desire HD.
OK, so why is porting so difficult?
The Android O/S is 'open source' meaning that anybody can see the actual source code for themselves, and see how it all works. They can modify it and adapt it to suit their needs (good).
Phone manufacturers USE Android in their phones, but they don't have to make all their own 'extra' software open source too. They like to protect their software by keeping it secret (not so good). There are many reasons why they do this, both good and bad, but it makes porting difficult.
When developers don't have access to the source code for parts of a phone, they have to write their own!... this means they have to have highly detailed knowledge of the phone, its hardware and other software components. Sometimes they can try things by trial and error, sometimes they have knowledge from a similar phone, and sometimes they just don't know.
This is the most common issue for 'ported' ROMS. Things like Power Management, Camera, WiFi, GPS etc are the things that make one manufacturer's phone stand out from another, and therefore end up 'secret'.
This does not mean that they will never work, it only means that they take longer to get working.
Who does the porting?
The actual porting is done by surprisingly few people:
- Some guys who know 'inside secrets'
- Some guys who are just great developers but who don't have the secrets
- Some guys who can develop but need a little guidance
- Some of them are 'great guys' helping the community (and keeping their own skills up to date)
- Some of them have other motives (good and bad)
- Some of them form teams to work on different ports
Why don't all the developers work together?
Developers are people - they have all the same issues as everybody else:
- Some like working alone
- Some feel that other developers standards aren't high enough
- Some are trying to fix a specific problem that THEY want fixed
- Some teams have different goals (one team might be aiming for a port that can work on 5 different phones, whilst another team are focused on a single phone. One team may want a totally 'clean' ROM and another want a ROM with lots of customisation options built in)
- Sometimes, people just don't get along with each other
I thought the ROM makers did all this work?
You'd be wrong.
The ROM developers use the ported code to make their ROMs. Sometimes they can choose different components from the various development teams to build a ROM.
Imagine a motor car:
1) The 'developers' make the engine, wheels, steering, chassis etc
2) The ROM Makers build their car choosing the components they need for their ROM
3) The 'Modders' add custom paint colours, fancy headlights, custom interior etc
The 'developers' are not smarter than the ROM makers, and the ROM makers are not smarter than the modders. They just have different roles (and some people do all three roles!)
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Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Though I respect and agree with you I really hope you're kidding because if your not I'm probably gonna cry. How am I supposed to sh*t rainbows now!?
I have half a mind to hurl insults at the OP(Way Off Base) as if I were in a drunken rage. Not only did he offend but he called out a Dev which is uncalled for. You can say sorry for offending someone all you want but your sorrys, and you for a matter of fact haven't done sh*t for our device. I don't believe you have the right to rant seeing as how you have contributed nothing and possibly just cost the MT4G one of its best devs. I hope we still have developers that are not fed up with us.
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Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147
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Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147
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The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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Amen. Honestly people. Patience...
my 2¢
I personally didn't think the OP was disrespectful. I think a number of devs are probably feeling similar frustrations even if from a different perspective.
I do think it is up to each user to decide to try new ROMs. If they don't work for you, then its a non-starter - go back to what works for you without complaint.
I also think it is important to remember that there are many different types of users - always. I am a software developer and I hit the same thing in my work. Some people are just looking for a solid ROM - and lack much understanding of the underlying complexity. That they're here at all places them way beyond the average smartphone buyer.
Others are Android jockies - here every day (even every minute) with a lot of their life revolving around ROM dev/swapping. It's probably important to them how they're perceived in this community.
Constructive criticism will and can be received differently by everyone within that spectrum.
Personally, I think it's great to have lots of options - it will end up serving everyone. At the level of experience I have (little!), I have gotten confused when the ROM thread titles are cute and don't indicate what they are - or their lineage. When I dig in and read the threads, there's definitely good ICS options there.
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I DON'T PAY BUT I USE, I DON'T FIX,BUT I COMPLAIN - IF IT DON'T WORK I'M READY FOR A QUICK FIX. TOO MANY CHOICES[somethings wrong]. NOT ENOUGH CHOICES[someone's lazy]. go to any other android forum and see how many folks are interested in mt4g. HARDLY ANY. PLEASE BE GLAD FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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I don't think the OP was being disrespectful or intended to.
I see where he's coming from b/c there are a lot of ICS ROMs with common issues. Like we don't need three different AOKP ROMs for example, and if anything, it's gotta be hard on ...Awesome... to track progress for the fact he has several ICS builds and different threads, at least that's what I think, which is why I agree with the OP when he calls ...Awesome... out like that b/c all of his ROMs are basically the same, just w/ different "flavors" so it seems. If it was me, I'd put out just one ROM and give you guys no choice at all. If you really want all the silly things like themes and stuff, then do it yourself.
The vanilla ROM, is perfect. AOKP is fine. CM9, great. But ****ting Rainbows and Rootie Tootie (which is bloated to the max IMO) are unnecessary, esp. since it doesn't fix any of the core problems such as RR and SoD's and etc. and that only adds more threads to keep up with and distracts you from the things that really do matter. Yea it's cool and neat that you can get a ton of extra add ons into the ROM, but don't put all your work into just trying to make those silly settings and stuff work.
And another thing, ICS is a neat little project for our device, but if you want all that other **** and keep acting like you absolutely need to have ICS fully functional on this old outdated phone, then either A) go back to GB and be content w/ that until ICS is out of BETA or B) get a new damn phone, like everyone else has been doing. We're obsessed w/ ICS when we have perfectly, fully functional GB ROMs that devs have worked hard on too, like sckboy for example. He's still putting out GB ROMs and I bet some of you guys aren't aware of this at all b/c the ICS threads stay at the top of the forums pretty much.
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I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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Thanks man and like I've said before nobody here is doing it for money/donations specially me I do it for people to have a variety and its a hobby for me that I love doing...
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Variety!!! if it bothered the OP so much that theirs variety don't flash non of my ROMS thank you again and ill say it again as long as in my count 1 person is still using ANY of my roms ill keep updating them ENOUGH with this thread and the OP. Till he contributes 1 thing to this community he should be allowed to complain!!! As far as ANY other person in this community instead of complaining about a feature offer a suggestion the best one ive hear came yesterday when someone said they needed wifi calling for daily use sure they reported the same problem AGAIN but atleast he made a suggestion on how to fix it or try to fix it...
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Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
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What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
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lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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I trying sell S2 to this girl I work with who I like a lot she awesome. Anyway she offered me 100 bucks for it (I got a S3)
even though I love the phone whats point in extra beside testing apks and testing my rom making abilitys on ... hehe which arn't great
Anyways whats a really good stable rom? Beside stock? I was thinking just give back to her stock but I want her to get the battery life tweaks from a rooted phone so im thinking Detoxed Debloat Stock JB rom or maybe even ICS
What do you think? That or I was looking at SkyIce and Embyro but bolth got bugs in them and I dunno what she might use phone for.
Really I assume she just facebooks a TON and message her friends a lot. Oh and she speaks spanish too so anyway
What do you think?
xxsicknessxx said:
I trying sell S2 to this girl I work with who I like a lot she awesome. Anyway she offered me 100 bucks for it (I got a S3)
even though I love the phone whats point in extra beside testing apks and testing my rom making abilitys on ... hehe which arn't great
Anyways whats a really good stable rom? Beside stock? I was thinking just give back to her stock but I want her to get the battery life tweaks from a rooted phone so im thinking Detoxed Debloat Stock JB rom or maybe even ICS
What do you think? That or I was looking at SkyIce and Embyro but bolth got bugs in them and I dunno what she might use phone for.
Really I assume she just facebooks a TON and message her friends a lot. Oh and she speaks spanish too so anyway
What do you think?
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This kind of thread will probably get flamed/trolled but i'll give my input anyway..
CM10
Embryo
Wouldn't bother with Sky as the developer moved on to a different phone.
Here's what I would do if I where you:
You stated you really like her so flash it back to stock. Then tell her there are other ROM's for the phone that she might like better. Invite her over and flash a few for her to test out. She'll think your smart and if you manage to make her laugh a few times during the process she might even think your funny. Trust me those are two attributes that chicks really dig in guys. If all goes well she'll find a ROM that she likes and you'll have a chance to ask her out again.
Asking whats stable daily driver is subjective to every user and end up more oftne than not in arguments and flame wars. I recommend you flash something you've used in the past or what guy above me suggested.
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