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Hey guys,
I got in my 3rd "refurbished" Captivate last Friday and I have been collecting some data. For the record, I am using Cognition BETA5.5 FROYO on it without any lagfixes or modified GPS settings.
My first two Captivates -- the GPS sucked. I tried every fix in the book: Jupiter.xml fixes, Epic 4G fixes, LbsTestMode settings, different firmwares etc... some things helped a bit, but the GPS was still unreliable.
My 3rd Captivate's GPS works great from day 1. I've been testing it daily since I got it. I had a long trip to the New York Comic Con, which I used my 3rd Captivate to navigate. In areas that I previously had problems with, my new Captivate handles them with ease. I attached a screen shot of "My Tracks" on a turn that the GPS always overshot previously (now which works fine).
Anyway, I believe JH7 was the software fix for the GPS. The software problem was keeping locks from satellites <20dbHz and using >8 satellites. The rest of the problem is hardware due to poor quality control. This would also explain why so many people have so many different experiences. I say, if you want a reliable GPS in a Captivate, keep warranty swapping it until you get one that works.
/this also explains why some Captivates shutdown randomly, while others don't: poor quality control.
I disagree with this. I bought mine a few days before the JH7 update and didn't have a ton of time to play with the GPS. Using GPS test I was finding 8 satellites and locking onto ~6 of them in a minute or so. With the JH7 update I was finding and locking onto 11 satellites in 15 seconds or less consistently. My accuracy would stand at 16.4 feet (I don't think anyone has achieved better than this with this device). Starting this past Friday (10/8) however my phone won't lock at all. I'm only seeing 4 satellites and no matter how long I leave it, or what settings I touch there is no lock. This is a problem many people have. The GPS works for a while then suddenly stops. This to me suggests a software issue.
I think it is partially hardware related as well. My GPS on stock didn't work so well with the factory settings but worked perfectly with the supl.google.com. Every update since then up to Cognition 2.1.6 has worked perfectly every time for me. If this was a software or firmware issue we would all be having similar problems.
If someone proposed the theory that maybe supple.google.com isn't the best source I must have missed it. So I propose it. Spirent obviously is not, that's a test site.
I wonder if there is supple1.google.com supple2.google.com tzpst.supple.google.com etc.
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/this also explains why some Captivates shutdown randomly, while others don't: poor quality control.
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I agree that Samsung has poor quality control problem, or lack there of from my past experience with various Samsung products. However, I believe the GPS issue is a bad hardware design in Samsung's part. Based on my own observation, it is the poor GPS antenna design that causes poor GPS signal reception. In compensation for this poor design, Samsung tries to boost the GPS chip amplification power which in turn causes interference from all the difference radio sources and bad S/N ratio. Since this is purely an analog signaling issue, different phones show different results and even the same phone could show different results in different environment. I particularly noticed that whenever I pass by those noise isolating walls around the highways I travel daily, my GPS starts to jump all over the place. This indicates to me that the GPS receiver is very suspectible to signal reflections from those walls, may it be cell tower signals or else.
The problem with warranty replacement is that it is really a crap shot. You typically get a refurbished phones unless AT&T runs out of refurbs. Guess where those refurbished phones come from: (1) returns due to GPS issue. (2) returns due to shutdown issue. Since neither issue can be resolved or easily identified (the later is not even acknowleged as a problem AFAIK by AT&T), Samsuung/AT&T will simply refurbish those phones and send out as warranty replacements.
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If someone proposed the theory that maybe supple.google.com isn't the best source I must have missed it. So I propose it. Spirent obviously is not, that's a test site.
I wonder if there is supple1.google.com supple2.google.com tzpst.supple.google.com etc.
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That's BS. spirent is not the problem. The original theory has been proved wrong long time ago. Change to supl.google.com does not solve the problem. Period. And getting a lock is only 1/3 of the GPS trouble you get into.
1) I am using spirent (or whatever the stock SUPL server settings are) and my GPS is working great. The problem is not the SUPL server (although changing it might have helped some).
2) If it were purely a software / firmware issue, we would all be experiencing the same GPS problems, which we are not. In addition, I would see the same problems with my new Captivate (which is running the same software), which I am not.
3) I do not have poor S/N ratios on my phone. I get 25-40 (sometimes better) S/N ratios, which is a bit better than my wife's Aria. I did notice poor S/N ratios on my second phone (15-30), which had the worst GPS performance. If it was poor hardware design, we would all have the same poor S/N ratios (and performance), which we do not.
4) Yes, getting a warranty replacement is a crapshoot. But hey, your current phone sucks and your next refurbished phone might not. So, swap it out -- you might get lucky. Samsung owes you a good phone anyway.
The problem is really chaotic, and people cannot reproduce the same problems (and resolutions) across different devices. This can only explained by people not getting the same devices... some are just more broke than others. Poor quality control.
/personally, I'm sick of digging through the Captivate GPS problem.. now that I have one that works, I want to just enjoy my phone.
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3) I do not have poor S/N ratios on my phone. I get 25-40 (sometimes better) S/N ratios, which is a bit better than my wife's Aria. I did notice poor S/N ratios on my second phone (15-30), which had the worst GPS performance. If it was poor hardware design, we would all have the same poor S/N ratios (and performance), which we do not.
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You are confusing digital circuitary with analog circuitary.
An analog hardware issue hardly will cause uniformly the same results. What you will see the S/N varies a lot between phones that's why some works, some doesn't. The antenna and satellite signal processing are still analog circuitary and prone to variations even with the same design. That's why SOME iPhone4s work just fine but others will drop calls when touched But no one is calling Apple lack of quality control.
Mine is 20 to 35 which is borderline.
The BroadCOM BCM 4751 is supposedly better at dealing with weak signals. I think Samsung is still experimenting different ways to get better locks in those marginal signal levels without causing the noise interference that in turn destroys the stable locks.
What is the general consensus of the % of owners actually having perceived GPS issues?
Someone please make a DIY on how to fix the damn thing myself... (hardware fix that is)
*Deep breath*
I know my 2cents really wont change this debate at all but ill go ahead and post my experiences with this issue K?
Cappy 1: Gps was just ok. it still worked but on navigation would try to "predict" where i was, jump off the roads and i would say on average i would be 20-50m off roof overhead and 10-20m if i put it directly on my dash where i couldnt see it.. This on average also took about 5 minutes to get a lock from standstill. Replaced for brick issue *incorrect flash being a newb*
cappy 2: Gps seemed to get worse everyday with this phone. mind you change the supl and jupiter tweaks seemed to help just a bit but honestly this one was just not usable. I could get a a lock in 5-10 seconds from a standstill and it would always be 10m accuracy.. so ok, it could help me know where i am immediatly but i cant see me standing in the woods going *deeerp where am i??* This was was replaced for random poweroff issue.
cappy 3: i literally just got this thing 2 hours ago picking up my mail so its fresh as can be guys.. jf6 stock right now. pulled my sim and battery into the phone at the mailbox and immediatly out of curiousity descided to test GPS. in no more than 20 seconds it got a lock of 50m..and then just a few seconds later im 5...5!!!!meters off. My eyes pop out of my head its in my hands at this time so i get ballsy and decide to put it in the lower tray in my car and take a drive. Wow...it just works now. It knew where i was and even told me and showed me a streetview of my destination before i got there...i should note this has NEVER happened i didnt even know it could/would do that :eek.
So my verdict is this. there are sofware tweaks to improve the quality and for some i dont doubt flashing firmware or applying changes has helped...BUT... overall this 3rd cappy is ...it just FEELS like the gps hardware is working right WITH the software. Things could always change with froyo and the the great devs here and if im proved wrong then wow count me impressed. Just dont hold your breath guys
EDIT: just to note exchanging your device is like playing the lottery. although these latest devices seem to have a higher success ratio im noticing. Ill also note i have NEVER exchanged instore but have always used mai to get my new cappy.
Based on the two comments here it sounds like I should try for a 3rd Captivate. Seems like 3rd times the charm. My 1st one GPS didn't work, I didn't run GPS Test or anything. Just know it never locked on me without the AGPS or whatever on. 2nd one same story. I have ran GPS Test on it and I'm lucky if I can get a view of 3 satellites outside in clear sky. It's usually 0 or 1. I've never had a satellite locked on.
so alot of complains and issues arise on this update and people with good things to say gets buried and i know some issues gets polarized or overblown because 1 person has these issue and the one who read it looks for it and then bam!! a non-issue becomes a bigger issue... so what does the update did to your phone?treat these as a feel-good thread..lol!!!
- screen color got fixed
- the orientation lock issue when using google sky map is fixed
- gps accuracy can display 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 meters, etc now. it could only display 5, 10, 30 and 50 before the update.
- video recording always maxes at 29 or 30 fps even when there's low lighting
It fixed the purple tint for me, colours are now great on my phone, fixed a HSDPA connection issue that I was having and also the CPU process error where initialisation was constantly at 100%.
I never experienced the random reboot problem.
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as for the color issue my eyes are not too discriminatory so no issue for
random reboots have yet too find out as i experience it a couple times (not too annoyed, windows has bsod and random lock ups and theyve been working with windows since dinosaur age!)
seems faster start up
higher quadrant score
Well I noticed that web page scrolling has gotten a lot smoother. Another improvement is on the keyboard when u slide from the ?123 key to get at the other characters and then release, the keyboard changes back to the ABC QWERTY board which is very nice.
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I absolutely hate the colours now, so that's NOT an improvement for me.
But, it fixed the 100% init process CPU utilization, as well as improving my performance significantly (nearly 200 points added to my Quadrant score). Also my phone now displays "WIND Home" and "WIND Away" which was not functioning before.
I particularly want to hear from people who had custom ringtone issues whether those have been fixed. This is the single most aggravating problem I have with my phone.
-Video playback has been improved, no longer choppy on files found from lubetube xxxx.
-Overall speed improved.
-Switching from 3g to wifi, system regain connection is much faster, it used to be taking >10 sec.
-battery life seems improved during idling.
I do get one time of sudden reboot when browsing on Google map
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3 jacked headsets are now supported, so the back and forward button on my nexus one headset work as expected whereas it previously would detect them as all the same (play) button
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hmanxx said:
-Video playback has been improved, no longer choppy on files found from lubetube xxxx.
-Overall speed improved.
-Switching from 3g to wifi, system regain connection is much faster, it used to be taking >10 sec.
-battery life seems improved during idling.
I do get one time of sudden reboot when browsing on Google map
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the Google map issue was app related if im right .not sure though. stil waiting for my OTA
There may be a patch for baseband inside the update, and I don't see radio "crash" anymore. Now i think Nobars is no longer needed. signal is super unstable in my bedroom, often drop and reconnect, but after one night, i still can see signal coming back, without any reboot！this was the fix i wanted most
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My cell phine is not rebooting... the colors are better than voodoo, using my phone for 14 hours and its completely functional, my max before was 10 hours with hard use!!! LOVING IT!!
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Better colours, stronger wifi, longer battery. Nice.
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There may be a patch for baseband inside the update, and I don't see radio "crash" anymore. Now i think Nobars is no longer needed. signal is super unstable in my bedroom, often drop and reconnect, but after one night, i still can see signal coming back, without any reboot！this was the fix i wanted most
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+100 on this one. Seems to be working a lot better for me. I just hope CM7 picks it up soon.
For me with 2.3.2 the capacitive touch buttons especially home was too sensitive. Just a little touch on the bottom corner of the phone was interpreted as home button touch. This was really frustrating.....but once I updated to 2.3.3 it don't see this problem anymore ;-)
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I have the backup of 2.3.3 so ill restore when I get in the house. I just have to restore my apps
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So is it confirmed that the 2.3.3 update improves the wifi strength issue? Also with the updated radio does it improve signal reception inside of buildings?
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Oh the colors are so much more natural in 2.3.3! I love this.
I'd like to take a few more days to see whether the cellular radio freezing fixed or not, but I see the battery is a bit better with 2.3.3.
The update killed swype, but it fixed after reinstallation.
It seems better for me!
Hi everyone/anyone,
I can't post in the developer sections so I'd like to comment here then.
Have used IColdS on my Desire S for about 6 months as a work phone with heavy email and talk usage. The biggest pain was email not showing the email body and then not responding - alot. Every now and again other apps stop responding.
Anyway, I came back here and tried Jellytime as a random pick. Worked great after a week of use. Even USB tethering and Wifi hotspot works. Apart from the 5mp camera photo issue and Bluetooth not working at least email and general stability is good. The 2 issues are known and being worked on. Great upgrade I think and extended the life of the old girl a little longer.
Axel
How is battery life on this ROM? I am currently on Pacman 19.3, but have issues with 3G battery draining. So I only use 2G of wifi.
Otherwise, I like the Pacman ROM a lot. Now and then a spontaneous reboot when the phone is idle, but until now, it hasn't disturbed me.
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How is battery life on this ROM? I am currently on Pacman 19.3, but have issues with 3G battery draining. So I only use 2G of wifi.
Otherwise, I like the Pacman ROM a lot. Now and then a spontaneous reboot when the phone is idle, but until now, it hasn't disturbed me.
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I must say I haven't run on battery alone for a whole day yet. At my work desk it's always docked and charging. This weekend I'll be running off the battery so will report back how it goes.
Axel
axelmasok said:
I must say I haven't run on battery alone for a whole day yet. At my work desk it's always docked and charging. This weekend I'll be running off the battery so will report back how it goes.
Axel
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Phone was about 70 odd % Friday night. It was 2% Monday morning after only 2-3 phone calls over the weekend with no charging. My un-scientific conclusion would be it's battery life is worse than IceColdSandwich. Bothers me none. I prefer the stability (so far).
And is this with 3G activated or do you use WiFi all weekend? At home my battery lasts long, but when I leave and put 3G on, it's terrible. 2G is ok.
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3g, data and WiFi all on. All weekend. I live in an area that requires 3g or I lose reception.
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axelmasok said:
Hi everyone/anyone,
I can't post in the developer sections so I'd like to comment here then.
Have used IColdS on my Desire S for about 6 months as a work phone with heavy email and talk usage. The biggest pain was email not showing the email body and then not responding - alot. Every now and again other apps stop responding.
Anyway, I came back here and tried Jellytime as a random pick. Worked great after a week of use. Even USB tethering and Wifi hotspot works. Apart from the 5mp camera photo issue and Bluetooth not working at least email and general stability is good. The 2 issues are known and being worked on. Great upgrade I think and extended the life of the old girl a little longer.
Axel
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Some of the custom rom builds like the one build by @blindndumb (jelly time 4.2.1) has a new release every third day. Is it possible to upgrade to latest release over the air if u have previous release on the device?
I'm not sure. I would probably update from recovery myself.
Cheers
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The battery life in JellyTime is great.
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The battery life in JellyTime is great.
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Yes I see that there is a new version as of a few days ago. I'll update to it this weekend and hopefully enjoy Bluetooth and better battery life. As it stands with JellyTime R.4.0 the battery lasts me 7:30am to about 7pm before the battery goes into red < 20%. Can't complain but it used to be better.
Ah also, some users reporting their phone locks up requiring the battery to be removed. This has happened to me about 4 times. I'm pretty sure every time it happened when I rebooted or powered off/on the Desire S. I'm not keen on removing the battery but waiting for 10min or so it wouldn't reboot itself. Holding down all the buttons didn't work either. I might try connecting via adb next time it happens.
I just changed to Jellytime from Icecold sandwich. I'm having a problem with AOSP roms. Taking screenshot in some screen seems impossible unlike sense roms where u just need to push POWER +HOME to take screenshots. on AOSP roms, i cant take screenshots of a zoomed pic,zoomed webpage etc. anyone knws any app that can assign keys to take screenshots?
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I just changed to Jellytime from Icecold sandwich. I'm having a problem with AOSP roms. Taking screenshot in some screen seems impossible unlike sense roms where u just need to push POWER +HOME to take screenshots. on AOSP roms, i cant take screenshots of a zoomed pic,zoomed webpage etc. anyone knws any app that can assign keys to take screenshots?
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I just tried it then with JellyTime and it works here bud.
Held down volume button and then held down power button until the screen shot captured. Worked fine.
I have also had the one earphone side only issue. Only when I have answered the call and then plug the earphones in. I work around that by selecting loudspeaker on then off. Then I can hear audio in both earbuds.
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I just tried it then with JellyTime and it works here bud.
Held down volume button and then held down power button until the screen shot captured. Worked fine.
I have also had the one earphone side only issue. Only when I have answered the call and then plug the earphones in. I work around that by selecting loudspeaker on then off. Then I can hear audio in both earbuds.
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Worked great!!!! Thanks buddy!
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Jellybean ASOP Feedback
as other users i don't have the rights to write on the dev threat to report issues and experiences, then lest do it here.
Upgraded from Saga to ASOP jellybean a week ago, the process pretty strain forward and no issues.
Bugs I've found so far:
- The battery drains very quick (less than 24h on normal use), despite of the settings on not altered from default ones.
- The wifi and phone signal meter it's showing very low values, but no issues or loss of signal at all, seems more like a signal meter calibration.
- The proximity sensor when on call in progress is not working, i mean, display doesn't turn off and the ear can mess up with commands on the phone screen.
-Time to time background apps (google now, google +, swift keys) crashing and restarting, no loss of data noticed.
-Some random problems when shooting videos.
In general the ROM is very responsive, a big improvement from ICS, and can be used for a daily basis, still need to be improved but stable enough to adopt it.
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Hi,
I can't write to dev section, so here's my problems with JellyTime. I can't adjust screen lights, buttons change but there is no diffrence. I have MDDI panel, so it might be related to it. Thanks again to pointing it out. Battery drains a little bit faster than I expected, but it's generally really good and stable ROM.
ROM: JellyTime R6.1 - Saga Edition
aliegm said:
as other users i don't have the rights to write on the dev threat to report issues and experiences, then lest do it here.
Upgraded from Saga to ASOP jellybean a week ago, the process pretty strain forward and no issues.
Bugs I've found so far:
- The battery drains very quick (less than 24h on normal use), despite of the settings on not altered from default ones.
- The wifi and phone signal meter it's showing very low values, but no issues or loss of signal at all, seems more like a signal meter calibration.
- The proximity sensor when on call in progress is not working, i mean, display doesn't turn off and the ear can mess up with commands on the phone screen.
-Time to time background apps (google now, google +, swift keys) crashing and restarting, no loss of data noticed.
-Some random problems when shooting videos.
In general the ROM is very responsive, a big improvement from ICS, and can be used for a daily basis, still need to be improved but stable enough to adopt it.
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I did a complete wipe/format of everything before install of 6.1.
- Battery drain seems normal to me coming from ICS
- Wifi and Network levels look and behave normally for me
- The proximity weirdness was apparent to me and solved after installing the Sweep2Wake app and disabling.
- I get no crashing of any apps. None since moving to Jellytime 4.x and now 6.1. I don't have any games. Just news/weather/email/web apps.
- I must admit I don't film videos. The camera and video control is so slow and clumsy I don't bother.
Sounds like your issues all relate to something local with your phone IMO.
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Hi,
I can't write to dev section, so here's my problems with JellyTime. I can't adjust screen lights, buttons change but there is no diffrence. I have MDDI panel, so it might be related to it. Thanks again to pointing it out. Battery drains a little bit faster than I expected, but it's generally really good and stable ROM.
ROM: JellyTime R6.1 - Saga Edition
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I'm not sure what you mean. The backlight/LCD brightness? Works fine for everyone else. If you have the Sony LCD then your in another boat altogether and yes I'm pretty sure changing brightness doesn't work which will make your battery life interesting. eBay out your phone and buy find another one there if your a fan of the Desire. Otherwise upgrade to another model.
Hi. I want to buy the new Nexus 5 from Google/LG and i want to ask about the Android 4.4.2 update.
I have read that there were issues (again similar to the Nexus 4) that there were occasional wifi signal dropouts, weak speakers, screen quality and the camera.
Has these problems been resolved with the update?
Please advice. Thanks.
The sound of the speaker is average! It's a hardware thing, no software update can change it.. If you want some boost, you will need to root it and install a sound mod like Viper4android...
No wifi signal dropouts here. Whaatttttt??? The screen on this beast is a real BEAUT!
The camera is pretty good and can manage decent shots.
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Hi. I want to buy the new Nexus 5 from Google/LG and i want to ask about the Android 4.4.2 update.
I have read that there were issues (again similar to the Nexus 4) that there were occasional wifi signal dropouts, weak speakers, screen quality and the camera.
Has these problems been resolved with the update?
Please advice. Thanks.
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Never had wifi problem, speaker is easily fixed and they addressed it in 4.4.2, my screen is perfect, and my camera is perfect.
This nice man made a volume boost mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2532788
and this nice man made a camera mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061
As i have mentioned in my other thread i'm not into modding or rooting as for me its too technical and i would rather air my complaints (and suggestions) to Google et al and wait for the official updates be it minor or major.
This is my 2nd-ever Nexus phone. The other one being the Nexus 4 and i didn't like it as there were just too many issues and problems hardware-wide and also software.
I would like to give this phone a chance and i hope the unit i got from Carphone Warehouse is free from hardware "abnormalities" and problems as they don't offer refunds anymore and only just exchange.
I heard after the 4.4.2 update there were still issues with the camera like it tends to over compensate or over saturate in some instances. The contrast algorithim (or whatever they call it) was tweaked but somewhat of a hit n' miss depending on the time of the day. True?
Also, how's is the shutter lag? (i.e. in-between shots) Is it a lot faster now than the N4? My old Galaxy S3 and my current iPhone 5C has an almost zero shutter lag which will benefit me.
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As i have mentioned in my other thread i'm not into modding or rooting as for me its too technical and i would rather air my complaints (and suggestions) to Google et al and wait for the official updates be it minor or major.
This is my 2nd-ever Nexus phone. The other one being the Nexus 4 and i didn't like it as there were just too many issues and problems hardware-wide and also software.
I would like to give this phone a chance and i hope the unit i got from Carphone Warehouse is free from hardware "abnormalities" and problems as they don't offer refunds anymore and only just exchange.
I heard after the 4.4.2 update there were still issues with the camera like it tends to over compensate or over saturate in some instances. The contrast algorithim (or whatever they call it) was tweaked but somewhat of a hit n' miss depending on the time of the day. True?
Also, how's is the shutter lag? (i.e. in-between shots) Is it a lot faster now than the N4? My old Galaxy S3 and my current iPhone 5C has an almost zero shutter lag which will benefit me.
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Rooting and stuff is not technical at all, it requires little to no knowledge. Just read the guide threads..
My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
I still would go to the normal route i.e. waiting for official updates based on end-user comments/complaints/issues/suggestions which i do every now and again till Google and those other OEM's realise things.
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My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
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Hi,
You can unroot and go back to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513701.
As for viruses and bugs, it's not the root that can cause that but more what you will do after rooting your device... There is no bug, at least no more than a non rooted device, with only rooting your device. It's only if you modify some files system, flash something not stable, or the wrong file and so on. If you install a "crappy" or cracked app with root access (and allow it without know what it does), yes maybe you can encounter some bugs or viruses. It's on the user side...
I have not rooted my phone and it's perfect, i have no complaints whatsoever. I keep refraining myself from rooting tho because of gravitybox, my geeky side keeps telling me to root but i don't right now because i don't need it, but i will definitely do it after a year or something (knowing myself).
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My belief is that if i mod or root a device the warranty will be void and that i cannot "un-root" it again. My other worry is the rooting procedure might introduce bugs or even viruses. That's my belief. Again, i could be wrong.
I still would go to the normal route i.e. waiting for official updates based on end-user comments/complaints/issues/suggestions which i do every now and again till Google and those other OEM's realise things.
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When using Fastboot and ADB its commands so there is no chance of bugs or viruses.modding is what XDA is all about.
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I could maybe try rooting my device one day. But until then i'm happy with normal updates.
I have been reading about the "fiasco" of 4.4.1 and i just think that Google sometimes don't listen to end-user complaints too quickly and they would rather sit back and wait till the complaints are a mountain high (with the same issues attached to it) until they act.
I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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ej8989 said:
I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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Sorry i can't find the picture thread.
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Sorry i can't find the picture thread.
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Hi,
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I used my N5 for a week, stock and unrooted. I had absolutely no problems with it. I got used to the screen after a day and never really complained about it. I even think it's the best screen so far, especially outdoors. Zero wifi signal drops. My phone speakers wake me up using the alarm clock. Camera can produce excellent photos; take a look inside the picture thread. It's really just the feature-itch that kept me flashing custom roms.
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I have been hearing somewhat conflicting comments that the 4.4.2 camera still has more space for improvements. It can sometimes bring oversaturatedness, greyness, haziness and still weak in the low-light department.
Another issue i heard is the battery seems still not convincingly and dramatically improved from the last time. 3G & 4G signal seems also not perfect. What i mean is if the phone comes from a 3G to a 4G area the phone either reboots itself, turns itself off or would take time to "reconfigure" its software to know that its in a strong 4G signal. Am i making sense?
Is there any truth to this?
gino_76ph said:
Is there any truth to this?
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Not with respect to my phone.
Still somewhat not convinced. There are still some known issues with 4.4.2 i heard. I'm not too worried about the camera as i believe it is much improved but my other main concern is the battery life.
Some are saying that the "Android system" (or the OS) is the culprit. I'm not an engineer but is it because of maybe the way the OS works or something. I also heard that there are random wifi crashes, phone just turns off by itself and when the phone is actually asleep it drains a lot and then the battery heats up, etc.
I'm sorry to be bringing this issues up buy you hear and read this online and it seems credible. If more than 1 person have been complaining the same thing surely there is truth to the issue.
5Hi,
In my opinion stop the "I heard someone" or "some are saying" and jump the train...
4.4.2 is way better than 4.4/4.4.1 (and yes I ran stock rom in the past ).
About Android usage in battery stats is already discussed here, I mean in this Q&A forum, I have not it, like almost 90% (or more) users, it's on the user side (whatever some other users tends to think). It can happen on 4.4/4.4.1 too... but since a minority of users are still on this version and the updates have been quick, nobody still speak about it.
Wi-Fi crashes, phone turn OFF by itself (on full stock?) it's also a very large minority on stock (I would say never), it could be due to the user too, no?
High battery drain in idle-> mostly user side (rogue app for example). Ans so on...
Don't mixe what your read about some problems between stock rom and custom rom/kernel/mods...., in my opinion (and I'm not alone) all you read is nothing, biased feedback due to some users who don't know how use their phones, install xx and xy apps and after that they are complaining about battery life, bugs and so on
Battery heat (or CPU?), what is heat for you or for the guy who said that? I any case there is thermal throttle to prevent any dammage and you are running a quadcore CPU (with a max CPU freq at 2,26 GHz ) enclosed without thermal cooling so in certain circumstances expect some heat...
If you are not still convinced, hum... don't do anything
Test and see by yourself, sometimes it will be better than read something here and there... . I'm not saying that you are "reported" is false but nonestly it's mostly ******, at least like I said it's not about 4.4.2 itself but user side.
That being said you seem a user easily influenced by some things read or heard here and there, maybe you'll be more influenced by the replies in your thread
gino_76ph said:
Still somewhat not convinced. There are still some known issues with 4.4.2 i heard. I'm not too worried about the camera as i believe it is much improved but my other main concern is the battery life.
Some are saying that the "Android system" (or the OS) is the culprit. I'm not an engineer but is it because of maybe the way the OS works or something. I also heard that there are random wifi crashes, phone just turns off by itself and when the phone is actually asleep it drains a lot and then the battery heats up, etc.
I'm sorry to be bringing this issues up buy you hear and read this online and it seems credible. If more than 1 person have been complaining the same thing surely there is truth to the issue.
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I have not experienced any of these issues when I was on stock for a week. I suggest you go buy the nexus 5 and return it if you don't like it then try the G2 if you really want amazing battery life. But I assure you, once you experience Nexus, you'll go back to Nexus.
Well, for one thing i had a Nexus 4 and i had to return/sell it because of so many issues. And those same issues have again cropped-up in the stock Nexus 5 4.4/4.4.1/4.4.2. Sounds familiar?
Yes it's true it "could be" a minority who have the same issues but its STILL a minority and its STILL the same issues. It's either the users fault or the phone itself. Yes it could be malicious/battery-draining apps or a ROM that has some bugs, etc. But in the past 6 months i have not heard of a "minority" of HTC One or Galaxy S3/S4 users that have the same issues. Have you? It does tell you something about how the phone was made and how Google pushes its updates.
I know and i'm well aware that the only thing to do is to actually try one. But what if if i try one, got the same problems, do a factory reset, still same problems, have to return/sell the thing and so on. Its such a hassle. That is why i am looking for answers and reviews/comments here. And i truly appreciate all your insights. I really do.
Call me fuzzy or overly-careful. I'm not looking for a "perfect" Google Nexus phone. I just want a phone (and Android phone as such) that works.
Again, as i said i'm not overly worried about the camera because a phone camera can & will never replace a proper one.My other concern is the 4.4.2 battery life. My Nexus 4's battery life was near atrocious. Could not tell you how long (or short) it's battery life is thats is why i got rid of it. But if a number of issues come up with the same battery life issue and battery getting warmer then am i to worry?
My typical day is get up at 6AM, remove the charger on my phone (if it was charged overnight), turn it off or turn the wifi off whilst i have my shower, get on the bus and the train, turn on my mobile data then checking the morning news/weather/notes/Twitter, get on to my work and keep my mobile data (and everything else like wifi, bluetooth, NFC...you know) turned off, turn on my data again for my 30-minute lunch and turn it off when back to my afternoon shift, going back home i listen to some music (a typical journey lasts around 45 minutes) whilst at the same time checking out some tech news on Appy Geek, when i'm at home i turn off my mobile data and connect to my home wifi (kept On till until i wake up again the next morning) whilst in-between supper & shower & bed i check Twiiter again, Instagram, couple of Youtube videos, email, playing a game which would last maybe 30-60 minutes max and that's it. I sleep around 11PM and wake up again around 6AM.
My questions are:
1. Anything to worry about the battery life?
2. Is it wise to install a "battery saving" app on the Play store?
3. Will heat be a factor on my "typical" day on draining my battery life?
4. Is it true the battery life improves after a couple of charges?
The area where i live, where i travel and my work place hasn't got a strong 4G signal. I have no problems with my home broadband/wifi as i typically have a very fast and stable connection. So...
5. Will the phone picking up 3G & 4G signal (switching back & forth and re-initializing again and again) be a factor in a battery drain?
6. What tips can you advice me on how to save battery life on my Nexus 5?
Thanks peeps.
gino_76ph said:
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1. Anything to worry about the battery life?
Based on how you use your phone, not really. Unless there's a hardware defect.
2. Is it wise to install a "battery saving" app on the Play store?
For me, no. I once tried one and it didn't help at all. But there's no harm in trying.
3. Will heat be a factor on my "typical" day on draining my battery life?
A few weeks ago I did some heavy gaming for an hour and the phone was really warm, but I still got >5hrs SoT at the end of the day before charging again.
4. Is it true the battery life improves after a couple of charges?
Yes the battery life is somewhat improved; but what I experienced was that it improves when I stay in the same ROM for some days, and I charge it overnight when the battery is less than 5%.
5. Will the phone picking up 3G & 4G signal (switching back & forth and re-initializing again and again) be a factor in a battery drain?
In my opinion (and experience), yes.
6. What tips can you advice me on how to save battery life on my Nexus 5?
Here's a thread you can analyze: Nexus 5 Battery Results
My Nokia 7 PLUS was bought mainly as a backup phone and to experience pure Android without paying an insane amount for a Pixel. I like my new Nokia but there are so many positive reviews out there that tell you why this is a good purchase, so I'll try to mention the weird stuff I've experienced. This phone has been my daily driver for 2 months now.
First and foremost the quick charging issues that I have another topic going about, so I'll skip this part.
Wi-fi disconnecting and giving me a notification sound. I don't know if I'm just being a noob here, but getting "ghost" notifications throughout the day has been a bit bothersome. At first I didn't know what was going on, I was seemingly getting notification sounds without there being any updates for me in any apps. But the other day just as I unlocked the phone I got the sound and saw the wifi being disconnected for a splitsecond. I don't know how I turn off wifi sound notifications without impacting other more important sounds so I guess I'll just have to live with this. But it's still annoying to get this sound if the wifi DC's for half a second.
Rubber around the edges of the screen coming loose. I got the bronze coloured model and if you look just at the edge of the screen there's a millimeter thick bronze frame, and between that frame and the screen some sort of black rubber or adhesive is starting to come loose. I noticed this about 2 weeks ago and I thought it was a hair that had become stuck and as I started pulling about 5 cm of black rubber came loose along the screen. I think the rubber casing that was with the phone is the culprit, because when your phone is in your jeans for several hours a day the "case" seems to dig just at the edge of the screen which could cause this. The rubber that has come loose was not visible before and it's not visible that it was been removed either.
Google Assistant opening seemingly randomly. I have two phones on my computer table just to the left of me, both with Android Nougat installed and Assistant enabled. Sometimes I sit in complete silence and play PC games, only with audible key clicks and Google Assistant will open on my Nokia 7, yet it has never happened on my other phone (Galaxy s8+). It's spooky in more ways than one.
The 3.5mm jack port is behaving weirdly. I've tried with 3 different headphones and it's always the same. I need to push, pull and turn before the headphones get properly connected and still then they can get disconnected at any moment. You can probably imagine how much of a nuisance that is if people around you don't agree with your musical taste. (hint: train rides.)
This may seem like a long list but my overall impression is still largely positive, especially when it comes to lack of bloatware, duplicate apps and the battery life is outstanding.
The headphone thing I find as well but I have a carbon fibre case on my 7+ and this is what causes it as if I remove the case the problem does not manifest. The other things you mention I have never had. I have the TA-1055 UK version since its release.
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I really don't recognize any of your complaints. I can't type a long search query in the adressbar in Lightning, but that's about it. Maybe you should RTM your device.
The ghost notification sounds annoys me as well.
My headphone jack works fine.
Issues I have:
Ui stutter/lag compared to other phones.
Phone showing as uncertified in google play store.
Not getting android updates (still on may patch).
Battery not as good as expected for the battery size the phone has.
Don't experience any of the above issues here. Fully reset you phone or RMA.
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my problem so far (40days ) is that GPS signal keeps dropping when i navigate with google maps while 3g or 4g internet is on , 2g is fine though .
also smal stutters when switching or minimizing apps , its strange that they couldnt fix it yet as i knew of it months before i bought the phone
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my problem so far (40days ) is that GPS signal keeps dropping when i navigate with google maps while 3g or 4g internet is on , 2g is fine though .
also smal stutters when switching or minimizing apps , its strange that they couldnt fix it yet as i knew of it months before i bought the phone
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For the stutters you can try this:
Nokia 5,6,7 Plus etc, tips for laggy interface.
Go to:
Menu/Applications/ (3 dots) Show system
Find:
CustManager DeviceMonitorControl Stability Monitor PowerMonitor Power saver CustManager Caivs Battery protection
In each app:
Modify system settings : no Draw over others apps : no Reboot
Add to disable apps:
com.evenwell.batteryprotection.overlay.base.s600ww com.evenwell.DeviceMonitorControl.data.overlay.base.s600ww com.evenwell.PowerMonitor.overlay.base.s600ww com.evenwell.powersaving.g3.overlay.base.s600ww
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Nokia/comments/7gwqys/nokia_5_on_android_712_choppy/
VonCrisp said:
For the stutters you can try this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nokia/comments/7gwqys/nokia_5_on_android_712_choppy/
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Thanks, did the first part and saw an improvement, but will this impact battery life? Because I will gladly keep the stutters if I lose my almost 2 days bat life
About a week since I have received the phone.
The mobile connection is usually 4g+ to 4g. depending on where I am I guess. However, I have noticed that on phone calls, the icon changes to hspa+
I don't notice any speed change but I'm guessing this is related to no support for VoLTE?
Also, I notice that from wifi to mobile transition occurs very sluggishly. Sometimes on banking applications the wifi doesn't work which is odd, but it doesn't connect to mobile on the fly either. Usually I have to turn off the wifi for it to work.
I've also had some weird experiences with my N7 plus.
1. Headphones do not work randomly. When this happens only the speakers work the ear piece on the phone doesn't work as well. Phone needs to be rebooted to fix this.
2. Some apps, such as Prime music and Quora, do not work when connected to the TP link ADSL router aty home. The iOS versions of the same apps work from the same router. Apps on the Nokia start working only when I connect to mobile data or office WiFi.
Baskettoman said:
About a week since I have received the phone.
The mobile connection is usually 4g+ to 4g. depending on where I am I guess. However, I have noticed that on phone calls, the icon changes to hspa+
I don't notice any speed change but I'm guessing this is related to no support for VoLTE?
Also, I notice that from wifi to mobile transition occurs very sluggishly. Sometimes on banking applications the wifi doesn't work which is odd, but it doesn't connect to mobile on the fly either. Usually I have to turn off the wifi for it to work.
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Volte is a mess on Android. In the UK it mostly only works on iphones or Android devices bought directly from the network who modify the firmware.
That said I'm on BT Mobile in the UK (uses EE network) and Volte and wifi calling work well based upon my experience so far using Oreo 8 with July updates.
Since the day I started playing PUBG, the call speaker is acting quite weird. Many times when I get a call, the speaker will be automatically turned on, but it doesn't show that. I have to turn it on and back off to hear it from the earpiece. It mostly happens when I'm in a game. But it has happened other times as well. I don't know if it is a problem on just my phone or android in general. Anybody have any fix for this?
VonCrisp said:
For the stutters you can try this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nokia/comments/7gwqys/nokia_5_on_android_712_choppy/
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Is it even safe to change the default settings which is done by the manufacturers??
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Is it even safe to change the default settings which is done by the manufacturers??
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