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Is there an application for the TP which allows for the device to be used as a HID over Bluetooth to control a desktop PC?
there are programs that let you control your desktop PC in various ways, but nothing specific for TP or the keyboard
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
"can't be that hard"?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Educated guess? Or just guess?
Well it would need to modify a little bit the bluetooth stack and emulate a HID keyboard, I guess.
Tonight I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of the day, with his most famous quote: "how hard can it be?!" when obviously it is very hard to do...
So I absolutely don't mean it is an easy thing to do, but I'm sure some experts in XDA-Dev are skilled enough to do it.
Hey, a man can dream, right?
Another option is to use a program like VNC to pilot your pc from the your raphael.
Used to do it with my old ppc (Toshiba e830). This works only if the computer you want to control is also in the same network (connected either through LAN cable or wifi).
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
Not exactly what you were talking about but...
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
About the size of a lighter, and you can use it for you phone as well. (Picture attaching your phone to the TV in the back. Using your bluetooth to open a program on it. Then typing away on the scren with this "futuristic keyboard from the stars!!".... or something like that.)
that must be one of the most useless gadgets ever created
huge initial "wow" factor, but that is all
Useless? I don't know... over priced, and unnecessary maybe, but a portable full sized keyboard doesn't seem useless to me.
Have you tried it?
I have. Very stupid to tap a plain table, since you cannot feel anything (even the separation of the buttons) you make 60% mistakes.
Also, it is not even portable! You need a large flat surface to put it and to let it throw its beam.
(and one more thing to recharge)
I stand by my original wording.
nethopper said:
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
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Well, HID implementation in Windows also includes programs and services that start with your windows. So if you have to install only 1 program to make it run I don't think it is a big deal.
It's 3 years I use my main computer this way. As I have a projector and don't want to start it every time I installed VNC server in my main computer (freeware) and VNC client in both my laptop and PPC, and it works pretty well (especially with Vista on my laptop, it runs pretty smooth).
@NLS:
Hmm, well from that description I will have to agree with you and add useless to my definition of the product as well.
@nethopper:
Yeah if you were looking for remote solutions I would suggest Logmein.com (the free version because I am cheap). If you want something that purely converts your phones keyboard into a computer keyboard... I found ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/communications/blueremote/ ) for palm devices, this ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/enhancements/ppc-tablet-remote-control-suite/ ) for ppc but over TCP/IP instead of bluetooth, and a patent showing that someone *Microsoft* is working/has worked on the idea ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0120448.html ) so the search continues
@FlippyTK: I'm aware of the VNC solution, but I'm really looking for something as slim and elegant as the software on the SE phones. There are situations where you don't want or can't install anything on the host PC.
@NetApex: Thanks, for the links. The MS patent is strange, how could they file something as obvious as this? There must be prior art... But the patent might be the reason why such a software does not exist. I guess everybody is afraid of the MS lawyers...
I'll keep searching, please let us know if you have the solution...
I'm not sure a pure HID solution is possible. If the Raphael keyboard is indeed a HID-capable device, then the phone itself is its host. Since you would have to go through the host (in this case, WM) to access the bluetooth stack, the most direct solution is a software "pass-through" program.
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The SE solution is using bluetooth HID emulation, so I will take a look into that.
For now, the TCP/IP solution shouldn't be a problem: you can setup a bluetooth PAN for TCP/IP connectivity.
For reference, one software that is closest to what you have in mind is Synergy, a similar host/client pass-through program that allows you to use one keyboard/mouse on multiple networked computers (without using hardware KVM switch, etc). It's only Windows/Mac/Unix, no PPC client, but maybe it will help point you in the right direction.
I found the following article which gives a nice overview of remote control solutions:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/remote_media_controllers_for_windows_mob
The software from Jerom does a nice job (http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/) and I used it on my Prophet for some time. It requires for a small program to be installed on the host and it is easy to set up. But I had it hang a few times (typically in the middle of a management presentation) and therefore I abandoned it. The SE solution I had before was absolutely reliable and that's why I look for something similar for WM.
In principle, the solution is simple: Implement a HID device driver and pass key/touches to it. I did some programming for WM devices but I never tackled the bluetooth stack... there is a significant hurdle - otherwise someone else would have done this app already. ;-)
that would be cool
using the phone to open an app that is named "operate as bluetooth keyboard" and clicking start to take control of a home theater PC using teh TV as your monitor and the desktop media PC as the CPU and just using your phone as nothing more than a keyboard would be pretty slick.
golympio said:
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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That is cool, but also pricey
UP!!!!!
Hello Everyone,
I just wanted to start this thread in case Xoom users out there are unaware of the potential a Remote Desktop Client for the Xoom can bring them. I tried out a free RPD app entitled Remote RDP Lite and it worked really well.
It was fairly easy to navigate my PC desktop and even use some of the PC applications. Making powerpoint presentations, working on word documents, doing some programming in Visual Studios, Photoshop, it all seemed fairly easy off the Xoom. With a bluetooth keyboard this would be even more incredible. Take a look at my overview if your interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3tNshAlY8
I also have a question though. For those users out there that have already paid for a RDP client. Which one do you recommend is worth the purchase?
Thank you everyone!
get xtralogic's remote desktop client
http://market.android.com/details?id=com.xtralogic.android.rdpclient
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get xtralogic's remote desktop client
http://market.android.com/details?id=com.xtralogic.android.rdpclient
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A word of warning: xtralogic's rdp app doesn't support multi-tasking. PocketCloud does and there is a free version to try before you buy. Also, PocketCloud's touch pointer is a very nice implementation so make sure that you go into the menu options to enable it.
I use citrix and is really really fast and incredible with the high reolution... te problem is that it needs a special hardware dedicated to virtual machines
Splashtop is also really good, very fast
Pocket cloud has a great interface, its not that easy to setup but it works grear
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Pocketcloud is excellent, if not free, even has a very handy mouse emulator.
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I wonder how accurate is the touch screen. I want to use a tablet for music applications through VPN (so I don't have to keep the piano near the computer) but I'd probably have to attach mouse to it because the buttons in application can be very small or require right click.
I use the paid version of Pocketcloud on my desire and its fantastic. Looking forward to trying it when i get my Xoom.
Thanks for the video, RDP using the tablet looks really usable.
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A word of warning: xtralogic's rdp app doesn't support multi-tasking. PocketCloud does and there is a free version to try before you buy. Also, PocketCloud's touch pointer is a very nice implementation so make sure that you go into the menu options to enable it.
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Can you explain what you mean by "does not support multitasking"?
I actually dislike pocket cloud's pointer opitions. Touch to point is not precise enough for me and the one with a circle is difficult to use for things at the very bottom such as the window button. And pocket cloud still has not gotten fit to screen right, I dislike my view scrolling. To each his own though.
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Pocketcloud is excellent, if not free, even has a very handy mouse emulator.
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+1 agreed
No one uses PhoneMyPC? I bought it a long time ago, so I use it on the Xoom. I also use Gmote for a mouse/keyboard on my HTPC. (phonemypc has a mouse/keyboard built in also, but it doesn't work as well)
pocket cloud is very easy to set up...just need the desktop client and a Google account. I can't attest for any speed difference thoug
Thank you everyone for your quick responses. I will look at all of these responses in detail to determine what to use. I'll let you know what I choose and then make a new video and let others know how it works. This is a great community and I'm proud to be a member of it.
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Thank you everyone for your quick responses. I will look at all of these responses in detail to determine what to use. I'll let you know what I choose and then make a new video and let others know how it works. This is a great community and I'm proud to be a member of it.
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Thanks for the vids. I enjoy them.
With the Wyse Pocket Cloud Windows Companion running, you really have a lot of flexibility. If I want to jump on to my server through RDP or my Win7 desktop I can easily do it from both Android and iOS platforms since they both have Pocket Cloud clients
Looking forward to your video even though I already know the benefits. I ran right out yesterday and bought a Wii Classic Controller to play my SNES emu games with
Any ideas for the best VNC not rdp?
I know that Wyse supports VNC as well as RDP and imagine that it works just as well.
Bluetooth keyboard problem with Xtralogic client
The Xtralogic client is really great on my Archos 101IT- it's also the only client that allows me to log into our work virtual desktop via the gateway. So it's very nearly perfect for me. However, to use RDP on a tablet a bluetyooth keyboard is next to essential IMHO. I have tried this however, and unfortunately every keypress crashes the excellent client. Has anyone else had this problem? I'm thinking of upgrading to the Xoom and hoping that might fix it too...
Thanks
Ed
Xtralogics rdp client has not force closed once on my xoom. It's the relative movement mouse pointer control that wins it for me as any rdp client using absolute pointer positioning to put the cursor under your finger just highlights all of the inadequacies of win7 as a touch based os. Never even noticed any multitasking problem with it?? Not sure what you mean by this in real terms
Since Asus licensed Splashtop for the Transformer I am thinking it might be more optimized for use on Honeycomb and plan to check it out for my Xoom.
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My favorite for ios devices was iTAP's rdp but moving to android I never really liked any.... buuut a few weeks ago I noticed it in the market. Its not cheap but just try it for the 15 min or whatever your allowed.
Set screen to 1280x750 and border off.
Once your connected use 3 finger swipe down to bring up/down keyboard
3 to the right to disconnect, 3 tap to bring up options. Its really good and nice to see good use of the multi touch we have.
Hey everyone,
I was looking to buying a netbook, but this awesome tablet got me.
The first use will be for me university work: notes, powerpoints, excels.. you know.. that sort of boring student stuff.
So how does the tablet cope with .docx, graphs and powerpoint?
Especially, how good is the compatibility with graphs in excel?
What app do you use? Quickoffice? or the one already installed?
Also I would like to hear some feedback about the keyboard: I'm coming from the awesome one of the VAIO FW. How does it compare to a normal good notebook's keyboard ?
by the way I'm planning to buy the 16GB model + keyboard.
thank you
google docs not ok by you? (Don't mean that in a condescending way, but I think it works pretty well, and it works on android).
EDIT: With what I just said in mind, I have only used google docs for writing papers and doing spread sheets minus graphs. Graphing works but for some reason (maybe just preference, maybe there was a good reason) I kept going to openoffice for the graphs. Haven't tried presentations. However I would assume that google docs is not as powerful MS Office, it is compatible though, but I wouldn't feel right relying on it (google docs) for school stuff beyond the basics.
If you want to write some simple documents or presentations with some pictures and texts, the build-in polaris office is more than capable.. and the keyboard dock works surprisingly well..so you ain't going to miss the VAIO. Also, just tried creating some bar/line/pie chart in polaris office spreadsheet.. no problems at all.. no fancy 3D though..
also you won't find any advanced features like automatic reference in Word, animations/sequence in powerpoint or powerful statistics functions/pivot tables in Excel.
for university work, I won't worry about that too much...Polaris Office is a great office suite and I'm very impressed...
best if you go to your local store and try it out yourself..before you make the decision
Polaris does a better job not blowing up formatting than google docs ime. Of course that only matters if you are continuing on from a previous doc. Shockingly it opened my resume (relatively heavily formatted) just fine.
Presentations are going to be something I can't comment on!
Thank you for the answers.
I found this extremely useful thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13993341#post13993341
which compares the different Office Suites for Android
It might also be useful to know that 'Citrix Receiver' works well on the tablet. My uni allows students to login with citrix and use the programs of the campus. Simply put, I can kind of run any possible program (as long as I'm online that is).
Possible the place where you will go studying has something like citrix?
Powerpoint Animations
Hi to all,
Has anyone found an app that will run PPT presentations just as they would run on a PC? I'd love to be able to run my prezos with all animations...
Thanks much!
husker71 said:
Hi to all,
Has anyone found an app that will run PPT presentations just as they would run on a PC? I'd love to be able to run my prezos with all animations...
Thanks much!
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+1 for this..
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Don't think that you'll find any software for Android. Android is primary for gaming, not working.
But Excel and Word sheets work quite good with Polaris Office (pre-installed), I haven't tried PPT yet.
It all depends on what you plan on doing. Simple word processing, presentation, or spread sheet would be OK. In Excel for instance if you use macro's you will run into problems. I know that Polaris could read some of my files.
To be honest there are people on here that claim to have replaced their laptop with the Transformer but frankly I don't see how. It is fine for internet, email, & entertainment. It isn't going to replace a laptop that you use for work or school in my view anyway.
Polaris Office work pretty well and is included with the TF (can't beat fee functional software). Just don't expect it to be as functional and easy to use as a real PC.
Honestly if I where using it MS Office apps for school, I'd stick to a laptop. You'll be a lot less frustrated that way. TF would be fine simple office type task or edits in a pinch, but I wouldn't want it to be my main Office device.
Lets not forget tablets aren't true laptop replacements, they don't have that kind of power.
Having done a search of this and other sites I am unable to find out if anyone out there has found a way to hook up a You Rock Guitar (or any other MIDI controllers) to drive applications on the Android Tablets. I have an ASUS Transformer with Honeycomb 3.2 (Prime! 1.8) and would like to do similar things as the iPAD does with Garage Band. But I cannot get the tablet to recognize the YRG at all. Any ideas are appreciated.
IINM external accessories support is coming with ICS!
YRG apps
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Having done a search of this and other sites I am unable to find out if anyone out there has found a way to hook up a You Rock Guitar (or any other MIDI controllers) to drive applications on the Android Tablets. I have an ASUS Transformer with Honeycomb 3.2 (Prime! 1.8) and would like to do similar things as the iPAD does with Garage Band. But I cannot get the tablet to recognize the YRG at all. Any ideas are appreciated.
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I also have a YRG and have been looking around for teaching apps (by the way it plays great with Rocksmith). By apps I mean interactive practice apps (there are tons of the other ones out there) with PC or android tab or android phone. For windows this might be good but didn't get it up and running yet - Scale Trainer it's called. I am trying to find an alternative really to iOS "Rock Prodigy" for android. Apparently Rock Prodigy will be available for windows in January. I would guess never of course for android. If you find any where an app to help you do chords and scales where you can hook up YRG to android device (or windows for that matter - or even Linux), pluck a string and it shows up on the screen, let me know. I will report back if I find one.
McGiles
Hi everyone,
I would like to get an eee pad transformer. However, with my previous laptop, I bought a legal version of MS office 2010, and would be a shame to loose it now.
I could find the files to create a dual boot with ubuntu on that device.
I found on a few topics that qemo could help emulate a x86 system, even on an ARM tablet.
Then I read that wine could enable installing MS designed softwares on Ubuntu.
Do you think following the 3 steps above could let me install Office 2010 on a eee pad transformer?
This would be critical for me to finally decide to buy it.
Thanks a lot for your help
Chris
I doubt it very much, there is a moderately working version of Ubuntu that moderately runs on the TF - but installing WINE and running MS Office, not a hope.
There are a few different versions of Android Office's you can install - none are anything like MS office though
Amazon, today (just a few more hours) has Documents To Go, free. I have been using it for a long while and it is very compatible with Word, Excel and Powerpoint. If that helps.
Thanks for your quick and honest answer. That sounds like a very bad news for me.
Unfortunately I can't go for Android designed office as for business purpose, I often develop some VBA programs, and I strongly doubt those are supported and possibe to edit under those softwares...
Thing is I am really looking for a good Android tablet (avoid Windows at all costs) on which I could use this only MS soft... Any solution could work for me (dual booting, emulation...)
Any idea then?
To be honest I don't think the processors they put in tablets are going to do a great job running a desktop OS (such as ubuntu) AND running emulation on top of it. Wine runs pretty clunky and buggy at best on a desktop processor. I can't imagine it's going to be a wonderful experience on a tablet, especially running Office 2010 or for developing VBA programs. Perhaps in the upcoming iteration of processors you might be able to but we won't know until they're out. Even then, it will probably still be fairly slow and buggy.
Ok so as a conclusion I should rather buy a windows tablet and emulate honeycomb using Android SDK.
Does it give the same experiance as an android tablet?
Any tablet to advise me?
There are rumors that the transformer 2 (Prime) will be able to run Windows 8
But it is only a rumor at this stage, and would be ARM based not x86 anyway
There are a few Windows 7 tablets if you Google for such, but from the video reviews I have seen they are slow and laggy at best
Maybe a touchscreen laptop / netbook would be more suited for your needs
Then when Windows 8 is released you will have the tiled Metro touch interface that is designed for touch.
You can get some touchscreen notebooks that allow swiveling of the screen, so it basically closes with the screen side facing up, giving the feeling of a tablet
Where Polaris Office fails to deliever what you need, I suggest you just switch to a Windows box for MS or Libre Office as needed. You can also use SplashTop (better than VNC IMHO) via MyNet and access your PC from your TF, that should work.
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This last solution gives me hope!! Splashtop could actually solve my issue.
Thanks a lot for your help!
As long as you don't need to track the mouse cursor's movements, SplashTop is very handy but can take getting used to. My own use of it, is mostly web surfing and video that requires a Wintel (e.g. XFinity).
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I figured out I could connect to a NAS in my company. It is using Windows server 2008. Does it work with splashtop?
chris-france said:
I figured out I could connect to a NAS in my company. It is using Windows server 2008. Does it work with splashtop?
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Just use 2x RDP client its freeand works great for remotedesktop
Some hope for you...
Microsoft is in the process of making their Windows 8 ARM compatible, which is the architecture "mobile" gadgets run on. I will probably find a way to run Windows/ Ice Cream Sandwich dual boot, similar to what I've done in the past on laptops. Windows is your only chance of running Office. That said, the functionality offered by Google Docs, Documents To Go, and other "Lite" Office apps should provide plenty of functionality for you. This is a tablet, not a laptop. It's a great product in it's class, but not a PC replacement. Asus makes the Eee Slate EP121 (played with one, very cool!) if you want a Windows Tablet, but for $1000, it's a product without much demand. Hope this helps.