[BOOTLOADER] Atrix bootloader unlocked, could this unlock ours? - Motorola Milestone Android Development

So the atrix has had its bootloaders unlocked (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136261), now if im correct Motorola uses the same bootloader locking on all there phones? So would it be possible to use the atrix unlocking to unlock out phone?

I don't think it's so easy. I mean this could be flashed, but I think it will brick our device...forever. That way, we could easily flash Droid's unlocked bootloader and boost our Milestone's performance. So, i don't know what to say... 8-|

Abazel said:
I don't think it's so easy. I mean this could be flashed, but I think it will brick our device...forever. That way, we could easily flash Droid's unlocked bootloader and boost our Milestone's performance. So, i don't know what to say... 8-|
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sure we could not use the same bootloader, but perhaps it could be stripped down and the parts that make it update and include the unlocking could then be put in a package to work with our phone?

I don't think it can be done. Look at it as if you standing in front of a locked door and someone else opens the door for you. You still don't have the key. The only way for us to unlock the bootloader is if Motorola decides to give out this RSA key or to give the bootloader an update which unlocks it.

Lets put it this way, if it could be done "that easy", droid-dev would have done it by now.

Fair enough, was just an idea, like if the keys where the same? But if I'm wrong then sorry for taking up your time
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Give it time
I don't think It could be done instantly, but *hopefully* with enough time the Dev's could piece something together

zacthespack said:
Fair enough, was just an idea, like if the keys where the same? But if I'm wrong then sorry for taking up your time
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No need to be sorry.
It's unlikely they would;
- Be using the same bootloader
- Be using the same keys
- That unlocking the bootloader even uses the key
- Motorola said only certain phones from certain places will be unlocked meaning that different ways / keys may have been used on different devices.
This is not going to be a simple talk by any means but hopefully something within Atrix bootloader / recovery will help us get there.

DannyDroid said:
No need to be sorry.
It's unlikely they would;
- Be using the same bootloader
- Be using the same keys
- That unlocking the bootloader even uses the key
- Motorola said only certain phones from certain places will be unlocked meaning that different ways / keys may have been used on different devices.
This is not going to be a simple talk by any means but hopefully something within Atrix bootloader / recovery will help us get there.
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This is true, well hopefully one of the great developers here and start looking (if they haven't already) at clues to unlocking our phone that the atrix stuff might hold

it is baffling that motorola unlocked the bootloader for atrix but not for milestone because milestone doesnt even sell anymore, atleast not where live, what will they get by keeping it locked .. extremely stupid !!!

rrohanjs said:
it is baffling that motorola unlocked the bootloader for atrix but not for milestone because milestone doesnt even sell anymore, atleast not where live, what will they get by keeping it locked .. extremely stupid !!!
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An unlocked bootloader is a selling point... more developers will now buy motorola because they can develope for it, whereas the milestone (which is still sold in Canada) has lost its appeal to new devices, and is not what they're trying to sell, therefore eliminating the need to unlock it. It's already made its money. It sucks, but it's the truth.

Different SOC's, different capabilities, different bootloaders.
If Motorola releases a Defy unlockable bootloader, perhaps it is possible to do it, since the SOCs are very similar, but I'm guessing that Tegra 2 capabilities and settings are way different than the ones in OMAP 36XX series. Other than that, you need to hope that keys are the same across different Motorola OMAP devices.
Lets hope, but, I wouldn't wait for that.

HinotoriBR said:
Different SOC's, different capabilities, different bootloaders.
If Motorola releases a Defy unlockable bootloader, perhaps it is possible to do it, since the SOCs are very similar, but I'm guessing that Tegra 2 capabilities and settings are way different than the ones in OMAP 36XX series. Other than that, you need to hope that keys are the same across different Motorola OMAP devices.
Lets hope, but, I wouldn't wait for that.
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*sigh* it does look like it will not be of much use, and with how many views this thread has got that should be enough to show motorola we know what we want , i guess its back to spamming there facebook....

first...its not the same method to unlock.....it use tegra device for unlock and fastboot
second...no one can crack that bootloader...the only thing we got it...its the key....someone into the motorola or at&t drop the key only for atrix from at&t
the rest of atrix can't unlock

Related

Looks like locked boot loaders confirmed for Motorola's upcoming super phones

http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-employee-confirms-locked-bootloaders-and-bad-attitude
Hopefully this is not the case, or I will not even be considering the atrix.
If this is the case, I suggest we boycott said phones.
Probably, it doesnt suprise me. Btw doubt a boycott would work. Theres a market outside people who root their phones, a boycott would just keep the phone out of dev's hands longer slowing down the process to break the bootloader.
TheForgotten said:
Probably, it doesnt suprise me. Btw doubt a boycott would work. Theres a market outside people who root their phones, a boycott would just keep the phone out of dev's hands longer slowing down the process to break the bootloader.
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whatever, it was just an idea
they still haven't cracked the droid X's bootloader yet have they?
There are DX roms, but I'm not sure how exactly they are made, etc. I believe it's more circumvention, but I am not a Droid owner, so I don't know.
This basically seals the deal for me, I'm going Inspire all the way.
Chaptop said:
There are DX roms, but I'm not sure how exactly they are made, etc. I believe it's more circumvention, but I am not a Droid owner, so I don't know.
This basically seals the deal for me, I'm going Inspire all the way.
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If that is the same as the evo in enough ways that it can use roms that work with the evo, I think that might be cool, but I also think the infuse could be cool if it has the unbrickability of the captivate.
The inspire = the US version of the Desire HD with more on board ram and storage.
It does suck...from what I've read about the locked bootloaders, they do allow for custom roms, kinda, and allows for the phone to be rooted...the biggest drawback I've heard about the locked boot loader is that you can't have custom kernels, and if the phone came with android 2.2, it can only boot 2.2....unless an ota comes out and updates the boot loader to 2.3 out later...
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very uncool
never getting a motorola, galaxy s2 should be cool
Motorola never in my list until Atrix came. But with locked boatloader...very bad idea . I think I better delist it.
johng75 said:
It does suck...from what I've read about the locked bootloaders, they do allow for custom roms, kinda, and allows for the phone to be rooted...the biggest drawback I've heard about the locked boot loader is that you can't have custom kernels, and if the phone came with android 2.2, it can only boot 2.2....unless an ota comes out and updates the boot loader to 2.3 out later...
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from what I heard locked bootloaders are on all devices except Google phones (Nexus one, Nexus S)... But locked bootloaders still can be replaced. The problem with Milestone or Droid X is that there's a chip that checks the signature of the bootloader. if this is not valid the device will not boot it. This is a really really BAD approach!!!!

ROMs that dont need an unlocked bootloader

ive looking and i couldnt find one. does anyone have one that i dont need to have an unlocked bootloader?
Not physically possible. If you need customization, use root with the stock rom and be very careful not to brick.
how would it not be possible? just use a stock kernel and you should be good. thats what we did with the atrix 2 since the bootloaders locked.
Don't think you can put a custom recovery on without unlocking the bootloader. No recovery = no flashing ROMs
vegandroid said:
how would it not be possible? just use a stock kernel and you should be good. thats what we did with the atrix 2 since the bootloaders locked.
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Don't even start on that bootstrap debacle with moto phones. It was absolutely horrid for flashing anything and was not nearly powerful enough for me. The hassle of using a neutered recovery instead of the real thing is just not worth it, even considering the warrantee.
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Keion said:
Don't even start on that bootstrap debacle with moto phones. It was absolutely horrid for flashing anything and was not nearly powerful enough for me. The hassle of using a neutered recovery instead of the real thing is just not worth it, even considering the warrantee.
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.... I fail to see the point of your post. I didn't ask for your opinion on Motorola or what works best for you. Style on topic dude.
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So there is a way to install custom ROM's without unlocking the bootloader? If so, I'd love to know how!!
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The problem is, the methods used on those Motorola phones are very hackish, and not recommended if alternatives are present. And since the TF700 is unlockable, its extremely unlikely those methods will ever be duplicated since those who want to mod can do so without restrictions.
Just look at the OG Atrix community... the instant an unlockable bootloader was leaked, development for those hackish methods immediately halted. Someone ported 2nd init days or weeks before that happened, and nothing was ever written to use it because it simply wasnt needed anymore.
jtrosky said:
So there is a way to install custom ROM's without unlocking the bootloader? If so, I'd love to know how!!
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+1. If there was any way to get around Asus's crappy unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty thing I'd jump right on it. I also didn't know that type of thing was possible...
vegandroid said:
ive looking and i couldnt find one. does anyone have one that i dont need to have an unlocked bootloader?
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Did I read that you were going to try to port paranoidandroid to the TF700 last night or was that one of my weird obsessive Infinity dreams ?? I wish you luck if you are going to try - we need a few more devs around these parts.
I personally wasn't worrying about voiding the warranty considering it rooting voided on all the other devices I've had. I'm more waiting for a reason to unlock the boot loader. It's just a nice bonus that rooting doesn't.
I just say wait till you have a reason, and feel comfortable that the device you got is good.
Did I read that you were going to try to port paranoidandroid to the TF700 last night or was that one of my weird obsessive Infinity dreams ?? I wish you luck if you are going to try - we need a few more devs around these parts.
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When i can get jellybean then ill work on it. Im super busy with school and work, but i need to set some time aside to port it for tf700. i just cant spare the time to completely port JB too right now.
Jotokun said:
The problem is, the methods used on those Motorola phones are very hackish, and not recommended if alternatives are present. And since the TF700 is unlockable, its extremely unlikely those methods will ever be duplicated since those who want to mod can do so without restrictions.
Just look at the OG Atrix community... the instant an unlockable bootloader was leaked, development for those hackish methods immediately halted. Someone ported 2nd init days or weeks before that happened, and nothing was ever written to use it because it simply wasnt needed anymore.
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Makes a lot of sense, thanks!
Personally, I'm still interested in a way to flash custom ROM's without unlocking the bootloader, even if it is "hack'ish".
As a good example, I unlocked the bootloader on my original TF700 after I had it for about 3 weeks. I figured that I was good to go - no major flaws... And then about 2 weeks later, the damn thing died on me, so I was stuck with a less-than-45-day-old device that had no warranty!!
I'm just saying - if there is a way to flash ROM's without voiding my warranty, I'd be *very* interested in doing that, even if it was a little hack'ish!
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its rather hard to install custom roms without an unlocked bootloader.
Consider this: You have a computer that boots directly into windows. Now you have administrator access to the computer however you can't change the boot priority, what disks it boots from, or anything having to do with how the thing starts up. Usually when you want to install an operating system, say windows xp, you would put the disk in, boot from the CD, and install it. Well we have no "boot from CD" option, everything pertaining to that is locked down by Asus.
I know other phones have found ways to sidetrack around that but honestly, with how unreliable they are its often not worth it. Asus has this thing locked down pretty well that its damn near impossible to get enough access to load anything custom at startup (even the unlock they gave us is garbage, if that fails your screwed).
If you want to load something custom you are best to get a third party warrenty and use the unlock.
pileot said:
its rather hard to install custom roms without an unlocked bootloader.
Consider this: You have a computer that boots directly into windows. Now you have administrator access to the computer however you can't change the boot priority, what disks it boots from, or anything having to do with how the thing starts up. Usually when you want to install an operating system, say windows xp, you would put the disk in, boot from the CD, and install it. Well we have no "boot from CD" option, everything pertaining to that is locked down by Asus.
I know other phones have found ways to sidetrack around that but honestly, with how unreliable they are its often not worth it. Asus has this thing locked down pretty well that its damn near impossible to get enough access to load anything custom at startup (even the unlock they gave us is garbage, if that fails your screwed).
If you want to load something custom you are best to get a third party warrenty and use the unlock.
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Even with those methods, you're still restricted. For example, the Motorola phone hacks can run custom roms, but are still stuck with the stock motorola kernels. That means a (somewhat dirty) AOSP rom can be made around the kernel, but a true clean Cyanogenmod or anything requiring kernel level hacks are not possible.

[Q] T-Mobile LG Optimus F3 Forum?

Okay, so I know this phone doesn't exactly win the spec war, but it's awesome and would make a fantastic rooted phone. Unfortunately there isn't a forum here on XDA for the device (either because it's too new or there isn't a demand for it)
Do you guys think a forum will be made for this device? It'd be nice to at least have a place to say what root methods DON'T work (I've tried a few)
Thanks for the help, XDA rules!
I second this. I am planning on buying a new phone and after researching numerous phones out there based on my tastes and constraints, I think this phone works very well (another is Samsung Galaxy Exhibit 2). One flaw that I heard is the amount of storage in this phone is around 4gb. Without a way to put apps on an external SD card (which I believe would require a custom ROM), the storage would probably fill up pretty quickly. So it'll be great if XDA opened a forum for this phone.
As a side note if anyone can point to other devices that fit my needs I would be grateful:
- Less than 4.2" screen (preferably 4").
- Android only
I don't have any financial constraints or any favorite companies.
Thanks!
What root method did you find worked? Did you try framaroot? Also have you found any Roms?
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bbradf44 said:
What root method did you find worked? Did you try framaroot? Also have you found any Roms?
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I used Motochopper, worked like a charm. make sure you have the LG Optimus f3 drivers on your computer.(found on LG website)
habitforming said:
I used Motochopper, worked like a charm. make sure you have the LG Optimus f3 drivers on your computer.(found on LG website)
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Ratified. Motochopper worked flawlessly for me as well.
richardpwnsner said:
Ratified. Motochopper worked flawlessly for me as well.[/QUOT
Anyone find a tethering ap that works?
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wolfu11 said:
richardpwnsner said:
Ratified. Motochopper worked flawlessly for me as well.[/QUOT
Anyone find a tethering ap that works?
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Do tethering apps need to be phone specific? I don't have data, but I'll let you know if I come across one.
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Bad news
I have created the recovery tree, and have created a recovery.img for this phone. ok now heres the bad news OUR lg optimus f3 has a stock 3.4 kernel with a locked bootloader. Even worse news is that 3.4 "locking" features a sha5 hash system for its image/partitions (recovery, boot, and bootloader). Even worse news there is no known (or atleast what i know or have heard) way to get around this. The phone will be forever locked until lg updates or allows said lock to be removed. I have flashed the recovery and have had no damage to my device but it just sticks at "unsecure recovery" and does a hard reset (factory restore) every time i try to play with it which is a huge flaw if you ask me.
I have hexedited the bootloader and found that there is indeed "juicy" strings within that may tell to a future unlock these strings being
-Device UnLock!, so Boot Success!!
-oem unlock
-ERROR: Could not do normal boot. Reverting to fastboot mode
Also these strings could just be defualt with all lg bootloaders meaning....there is no hope.
My phone is without a soul and I will never be buy lg again.
If anyone is able to get into fastboot
1. PM ME
2. run : fastboot oem unlock
Again root for this phone works great as long as you dont touch recovery, bootloader, or boot partitions
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I have created the recovery tree, and have created a recovery.img for this phone. ok now heres the bad news OUR lg optimus f3 has a stock 3.4 kernel with a locked bootloader. Even worse news is that 3.4 "locking" features a sha5 hash system for its image/partitions (recovery, boot, and bootloader). Even worse news there is no known (or atleast what i know or have heard) way to get around this. The phone will be forever locked until lg updates or allows said lock to be removed. I have flashed the recovery and have had no damage to my device but it just sticks at "unsecure recovery" and does a hard reset (factory restore) every time i try to play with it which is a huge flaw if you ask me.
I have hexedited the bootloader and found that there is indeed "juicy" strings within that may tell to a future unlock these strings being
-Device UnLock!, so Boot Success!!
-oem unlock
-ERROR: Could not do normal boot. Reverting to fastboot mode
Also these strings could just be defualt with all lg bootloaders meaning....there is no hope.
My phone is without a soul and I will never be buy lg again.
If anyone is able to get into fastboot
1. PM ME
2. run : fastboot oem unlock
Again root for this phone works great as long as you dont touch recovery, bootloader, or boot partitions
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Ugh. Thanks for the work. This is bad news indeed. I'll keep poking around and let you know if I find anything.
richardpwnsner said:
Ugh. Thanks for the work. This is bad news indeed. I'll keep poking around and let you know if I find anything.
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Out of curiosity, any chance Loki would work? I'd be willing to give it a go if there's a decent chance—still within the 14 day exchange window .
Will motochopper work on any carrier version of this phone? Thanks!
jjfad said:
Will motochopper work on any carrier version of this phone? Thanks!
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I've seen confirmations on three carriers (can't remember which ones off the top of my head, sorry [edit-well, T-Mobile and Virgin Mobile come to mind now]), so I'd assume the answer is yes. Regardless, I have yet to see anyone complain about adverse affects, so no reason not to try (though, grain of salt—I'm brand new to android).
For anyone that has this, how are the antennas on this phone?
I just ordered one from tmo and am hoping to get better reception at my house than from my Samsung or HTC.
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Steve5400 said:
For anyone that has this, how are the antennas on this phone?
I just ordered one from tmo and am hoping to get better reception at my house than from my Samsung or HTC.
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They seem better and with WIFI calling built in the phone hasn't skipped a beat.
Check my way!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2420178&highlight=rooting+lg+optimus+f3
I failed rooting my phone with Windows system, maybe cause I'm not familiar with the process or I was just to lazy, but it does work if you use motochopper. Try looking it up youtube. You could try my method, it should work on Jellybean 4.1.2!
richardpwnsner said:
Out of curiosity, any chance Loki would work? I'd be willing to give it a go if there's a decent chance—still within the 14 day exchange window .
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BAHAHA me to man i think im down to 10 days. Im trying to get some attention but i need someone who knows little endian, and their way around bootloaders. Id be willing to donate to someone who can help me out, also to support the other 3 variants (if the aboot differs).
I have a recovery created also and a device tree (needs gpio support for kernel).
And to awnser your question, yes loki will work IF i can get the needed values so that when recovery/boot is read into memory that it overwrites the security check feature in aboot. If the wrong values are give you may end up with a brick (very slim chance)
My return window just closed . If it helps, you can pull the open source from LG's website and merge it with the android source. I also discovered an even easier solution: set up the LG Sync application, and select the "upgrade recovery option". Then, when it begins downloading, remove your phone, set Windows (or your relevant OS) to show hidden files and folders, and go the the Program Data folder. There should be something like "PHONEAX" under the LG Electronics folder that will contain the full stock kdz file when the download is complete.
It's really kind of surprising that there's absolutely no dev love out there for the F3. I suppose it's because the phone is entry level, but it's really not that bad but for the storage. I got it as a gift, so no complaints here—of course, if anyone wants to donate a Note or Galaxy gratis, I suppose I'd be willing to switch .
I had a Galaxy S4 from Verizon. I switched to T-Mobile Because believe it or not the network is stronger where I work. Also, there pricing on plans cannot be beat. But, I digress. The Galaxy S4 being a Verizon device never really functioned the way it was supposed to on T-Mobiles network. It was unlocked however was still useless for 4G LTE and while I could do better than edge in some places, those places were few and far between. I started to assess what it is I actually used my phone for these days. I'm not into modding with custom ROMS and kernels anymore and I'm not much of a multi-tasker either so I decided that I did not need the super power device anymore. The specs on this phone are perfect for what I need my phone to do. Its been a long time since I have gone beyond rooting to remove bloat and tether. I agree that the storage on this sucks. I don't understand why there are any devices anymore that come with less than 32gb internal. storage is the cheapest thing that can be added to a device and its not as though it uses much physical space. other than the storage I will say that I am impressed with the quality of this device and I don't know that I would even put this as low as "entry level device." I would say its more of a mid-grade device. I am also happy with the reception on this device and its nice to have a compact phone again that actually fits comfortably in my hand and on my belt.
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I had a Galaxy S4 from Verizon. I switched to T-Mobile Because believe it or not the network is stronger where I work. Also, there pricing on plans cannot be beat. But, I digress. The Galaxy S4 being a Verizon device never really functioned the way it was supposed to on T-Mobiles network. It was unlocked however was still useless for 4G LTE and while I could do better than edge in some places, those places were few and far between. I started to assess what it is I actually used my phone for these days. I'm not into modding with custom ROMS and kernels anymore and I'm not much of a multi-tasker either so I decided that I did not need the super power device anymore. The specs on this phone are perfect for what I need my phone to do. Its been a long time since I have gone beyond rooting to remove bloat and tether. I agree that the storage on this sucks. I don't understand why there are any devices anymore that come with less than 32gb internal. storage is the cheapest thing that can be added to a device and its not as though it uses much physical space. other than the storage I will say that I am impressed with the quality of this device and I don't know that I would even put this as low as "entry level device." I would say its more of a mid-grade device. I am also happy with the reception on this device and its nice to have a compact phone again that actually fits comfortably in my hand and on my belt.
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No argument here. I like it well enough, but I'm (1) a closet geek; and (2) a heavy multitasker, so given the option I'd prefer something with more screen space (I just graduated from law school, so I do a lot of reading on the go). As a phone, however, you really couldn't ask for more—the size otherwise pretty much perfect, it's relatively snappy with most applications, and once debloated the stock launcher is pretty good.
That being said, the second I see a safe way to deal with the bootloader pop up, I'm diving in, no question .
Decided to share my home screens.
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[Q] Rooting a new droid ultra 4.4?

Ok, so I have been scouring the interwebs for 4 hours now, and I am getting 100 conflicting stories. I am not sure if I can post youtube links, but one says That I can use Kingo (didn't work for me) another was from FrenchGrape100 Neither worked for me, downloaded everything they said, did it all OTA. If anyone has any information, please reply.
Thank you in advance!
~Kevin D.
Okay, here's a TL;DR on the Droid lineup root situation. Essentially, you're out of luck at this point. No root for you! (Or for me, or for a lot of other annoyed users out there. You're not alone.)
Let me reiterate: if you currently have a brand new Droid running 4.4, no root is possible at the moment.
That being said, you're probably getting mixed accounts of this because of the following. Droid Maxx/Ultra/Mini sounds a lot like the Moto X--and they're very similar phones. However, the Moto X DOES have root on 4.4. It's a complicated process that involves downgrading to 4.2, installing a backdoor, and upgrading again to 4.4, then using the backdoor to regain root access. However, as the Droid Maxx/Ultra/Mini have locked bootloaders, it is not possible to downgrade after accepting the OTA upgrade to KitKat 4.4, and most new phones in the lineup are being shipped out with 4.4 already installed.
The first inkling of possible root was when noted dev and exploit-master jcase mentioned, tangentially and on twitter, that he HAD found an exploit for our phones. However, the exploit is not suitable for casual user usage, and still doesn't unlock write protection on the phone, making it essentially useless. Oh, and as a result of the locked write protection, root would be lost any time you restarted the phone. Jcase will be revealing the exploit at the blackhat conference this coming August as a teaching tool, but don't expect it to turn into anything we'll be seeing a solution out of.
The next glimmer of hope came a few weeks ago; remember how I said we couldn't downgrade because of our locked bootloaders? Some Motorola employee started selling bootloader unlock codes for the Droid lineup. You could send the guy 40 bucks and your IMEI number and he'd send you back a device-specific code to unlock your bootloader. Which through an even more complicated process, does eventually allow for root. However, as of about 2ish (?) weeks, the guy selling the codes has stopped; it seems like he/she/them/it/whatever no longer has access to the database containing the unlock codes. A few lucky people got codes before that happened--the process seemed sketchy, and those of us like myself who hesitated are now left with locked down phones.
So yeah, at various points, it's been possible to get root--which, when trying to read up on this stuff, makes it a tad hard to follow.
No root now, though, not if you're already on KitKat 4.4.
Sorry for the disappointment. Keep your ear to the ground in case someone offering codes pops up again and is legit--but I wouldn't hope too hard.
I am one among those few lucky people who got code and unlocked the BL and enjoying root now in 4.4.
@Jumnhy
However, the Moto X DOES have root on 4.4. It's a complicated process that involves downgrading to 4.2, installing a backdoor, and upgrading again to 4.4, then using the backdoor to regain root access. However, as the Droid Maxx/Ultra/Mini have locked bootloaders, it is not possible to downgrade after accepting the OTA upgrade to KitKat 4.4,
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I want to add only one extra info to make things more clear. Actually BigRed's Moto X is also coming with locked / encrypted BootLoaders like DroidMini/Maxx/Ultra, but since its 4.4 update came first and without signature verification / check and hence downgrading was possible in its case. But in 4.4 of Droid series, the mistake was corrected and downgrade was IMPOSSIBLE.
So Droid users with 4.4 and NO root has to live without root in the future, unless any wonder occurs (like the earlier code purchase).
Moral of the Story:
If you want root access in Droid or other BigRed's phones, buy their Dev edition in future.
Good clarification. Missed that point myself!
This is really disheartening. I had one Droid Maxx back before the update and like an idiot, I updated without researching first. Now I got my insurance to replace the phone hoping that they'd send me one which hasn't been updated yet and instead they sent me one with 4.4 pre-installed. So I started researching and I thought it was possible because I saw a thread where an XDA user... Einstein something or other... said he got the downgrade to work. I think I'm just going to sell the phone and either try to buy one without the update or get a different phone.
ThunderWulf said:
This is really disheartening. I had one Droid Maxx back before the update and like an idiot, I updated without researching first.
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my dear thunder, you are not alone.... i miss tethering my internet....
nerdyplayer said:
my dear thunder, you are not alone.... i miss tethering my internet....
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Tethering does not require root. Now if you want wireless hotspot no frills then yes you need root.
You could use easy tether pro to tether just fine without root. But if you wanted to share that connection with more devices the first one would have to remain on. You can bridge the connection to your wireless card and share it.
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kanagadeepan said:
I am one among those few lucky people who got code and unlocked the BL and enjoying root now in 4.4.
@JumnhyI want to add only one extra info to make things more clear. Actually BigRed's Moto X is also coming with locked / encrypted BootLoaders like DroidMini/Maxx/Ultra, but since its 4.4 update came first and without signature verification / check and hence downgrading was possible in its case. But in 4.4 of Droid series, the mistake was corrected and downgrade was IMPOSSIBLE.
So Droid users with 4.4 and NO root has to live without root in the future, unless any wonder occurs (like the earlier code purchase).
Moral of the Story:
If you want root access in Droid or other BigRed's phones, buy their Dev edition in future.
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Do you mind sort of breaking down the process you did once you got the code and how the code was styled. Alpha-numeric? 10 digits? Things like that. I am considering that since there is a code and method for unlocking the device in an offline setting, that could be bruteforced using strong hardware GPU. (Which I tend to have these days thanks to virtual currencies.)
I am going to run on the assumption Motorola won't lock out a user for multiple incorrect attempts but who knows.
netuoso said:
Do you mind sort of breaking down the process you did once you got the code and how the code was styled. Alpha-numeric? 10 digits? Things like that. I am considering that since there is a code and method for unlocking the device in an offline setting, that could be bruteforced using strong hardware GPU. (Which I tend to have these days thanks to virtual currencies.)
I am going to run on the assumption Motorola won't lock out a user for multiple incorrect attempts but who knows.
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It's a 20 digit Alpha numeric code. You enter the code in fastboot mode using the command fastboot oem unlock <code> Since there are 36^20 possible combinations good luck bruteforcing THAT
I think the BL unlock is no longer available from what I have been reading. If anyone has had success lately please correct me.
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BladeRunner said:
It's a 20 digit Alpha numeric code. You enter the code in fastboot mode using the command fastboot oem unlock <code> Since there are 36^20 possible combinations good luck bruteforcing THAT
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I know that this question is rhetorical, as reverse engineering this is probably not possible, but is it full alphabet, or only the hex characters a-f for the alpha characters? That's a smaller alphabet. (Also, if it is upper and lower case letters, that's at least a 62 character alphabet, so 62^20. If they are just hex digits, that's "just" 16^20.)
doogald said:
I know that this question is rhetorical, as reverse engineering this is probably not possible, but is it full alphabet, or only the hex characters a-f for the alpha characters? That's a smaller alphabet. (Also, if it is upper and lower case letters, that's at least a 62 character alphabet, so 62^20. If they are just hex digits, that's "just" 16^20.)
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full alphabet and I have only seen upper case letters
unlock code
an21281 said:
I think the BL unlock is no longer available from what I have been reading. If anyone has had success lately please correct me.
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I just tried to purchase the code. Be guy says no more 2013 codes. Only 2014 production
JarMagic said:
I just tried to purchase the code. Be guy says no more 2013 codes. Only 2014 production
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Very interesting...
JarMagic said:
I just tried to purchase the code. Be guy says no more 2013 codes. Only 2014 production
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Some late '13 are getting it anyway...

Verizon bootloader?

Is there any way to unlock Verizon bootloader's? My z4 isn't using Verizon for service but it is a Verizon phone. I tried the normal method of unlocking and I'm told by the Moto website that I can't. Is there any work around or service that can do it?
Forget it, forget it forever.
Unfortunately, that's extremely unlikely. If it's a Verizon version - of most, if not all phones - then bootloader/root is out of the question.
On top of that, doesn't seem like there's much attention from devs for the Moto Z line as a whole, so an unofficial unlock is also extremely unlikely.
Only options are wait for Verizon to stop being jerks, wait for someone to come up with a way to unlock their version, or return it and get the unlocked version.
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Unfortunately, that's extremely unlikely. If it's a Verizon version - of most, if not all phones - then bootloader/root is out of the question.
On top of that, doesn't seem like there's much attention from devs for the Moto Z line as a whole, so an unofficial unlock is also extremely unlikely.
Only options are wait for Verizon to stop being jerks, wait for someone to come up with a way to unlock their version, or return it and get the unlocked version.
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Well I doubt Verizon will stop being jerks, nobody is ****in with it as far as devs so that's not happenin and I bought it from an individual so there goes returning it.
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Well I doubt Verizon will stop being jerks, nobody is ****in with it as far as devs so that's not happenin and I bought it from an individual so there goes returning it.
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aren't there ways of root without unlocking??
Just read my system info and everything has been tailored so to speak.
Give it time . Verizon sucks for that. But they did add older Moto z devices to official Moto bootloader unlock. It may be next year if they do.
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Is there any way to unlock Verizon bootloader's? My z4 isn't using Verizon for service but it is a Verizon phone. I tried the normal method of unlocking and I'm told by the Moto website that I can't. Is there any work around or service that can do it?
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I dunno if this is trustworthy, but i found something on myphoneupdate,com/unlock-bootloader-motorola-moto-z4/

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