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I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
wagz said:
I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
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T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
AT&T 3G
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
sultanofsumar said:
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
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are you saying you have not been able to get the phone to work on att's 3G network? i've read on howard forums where other owners are seeing the "H" and "3G", suggesting that others have been able to connect...
3G
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
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That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
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When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
att 3g
I did it manually. I figured it wouldn't work on auto. I will try the auto detect and see what happens.
3g is up
Well it says G right now, but not 3G. I know I have crappy reception here so maybe it will change. Thanks though.
yep... having good HSDPA/UMTS coverage is a must to access the network. if it says "G", you're using GPRS, "E", you're using Edge, "3G", you're using UMTS, "H" you're using HSDPA. you might check att's website to see if you have high-speed coverage in your location. every HTC 3G capable device (e.g., supports Triband HSDPA) that i've purchased has always connected to att's network with the "Auto" Band setting...
kolobok01 said:
T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
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Ah this sucks. Why can't America just use the same frequencies as the rest of the world. I don't want to have to purchase another expensive phone right after purchasing this one. Looks like a Sony X1 will eventually be in my future
Thanks for the reply.
3G???
I had it on auto all day, but no little 3G icon. I know there is coverage, becuase my TYTN and even my blackjack picked it up right away. I guess I'll just keep looking..........
AT&T 3G
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I too have found you need to leave the phone set to Auto. A soft reset after you change it from manual selection to auto gets me the 3G back immediately on boot up.
ATT 3G
I have ATT 3G & H in some areas when I travel but my home area does not have 3G coverage only EDGE at the moment. It depends on ATT's coverage whether you will get 3G or H. The phone is fully capable to work with ATT.
got my Orbit 2 today, and HSDPA & UMTS are working fine (in dallas)...
using a polaris with at&t in buffalo, ny. 3g and HSPDA work fine in most areas. sometimes if i go deep within a building it will swtich to edge which is normal.
3G!
cortezzi said:
When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
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Well now that I put everything on auto and soft reset I am gettin 3G and H UMPTS all over the place. Thanks!
Just thought I should bring this up. I have noticed that most of the builds does not support HSDPA which is a faster version of UMTS data networks, (check Wikipedia for more information).
I have first noticed it after flashing KingxKxRom, which is the only Rom - that I have tested - that supports HSDPA. Maxisma, Ccyrowski, Cyanogen, and Enomther Builds do not support it for some reason!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong; Hero, Magic, and the Dream do support it by hardware. So I wonder; where the Ball was dropped , or is it just that Kingklick is using a different base for his build, or is it a kernel matter.
This was bothering me for several days and after a lot of research I could not find the reason behind it. I’m not a Rom developer by all means; just thought developers could shed some light about it.
This has been discussed previously. HSDPA is actually supported in those ROMs, however the "3G" icon doesn't change when you are connected on a network with HSDPA coverage. I guess this is because HSDPA is just another type of 3G, so its not necessary, its just an indicator of a faster "3G" connection also known as "3.5G".
Hope this helps.
edit: if you get download speeds higher than 384kbps then you are connected on a network with HSDPA support, you can actually test it using a speedtest.net app on the market.
The issue is not the icon, withier you review the settings>about or use *#*#info#*#* command it clearly state what type of network you are connected to. I have also tested the speed and it does vary.
I have no idea how any ROMs would not 'support' HSDPA, as it would depend on what hardware you're using and your carrier's network.
If it makes you feel better CyanogenMod most definitely does as I'm using it right now and I'm on a UMTS network. I think you're confusing the network type with the protocols used to get you your data.
I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!
As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.
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I am using CyanogenMod's latest rom and im getting some great speeds on the web 3mb- 5mb download speeds!
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what phone are you using; im using the Dream.
If you see the H symbol then you are getting 3g also some states dont get 3g yet or have some crappy service.
I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.
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I can tell you for sure that they all support HSPA. My Touch Pro 2 has a "H" icon and clearly states HSPA (aka HSDPA/HSUPA) network. Right next to it is my G1... which says connected to UMTS w/ the 3G icon. Both test at around 700-1100 kbps download and 200-500kbps upload. Those are clearly HSPA speeds and not UMTS which tops around 400kbps download.
I have used a few ROMs that have the H icon and it makes no difference in speed. It's just for looks.
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Some people prefer the 3g icon thouch i think the H looks better on hero roms
Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?
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As I understand HSPDA is an upgrade to UMTS, if your hardware and network supports HSPDA you will be connected to it, otherwise you will use UMTS only. That’s why I think it has to do with the kernel used rather than the build itself. It did actually show that HSDPA is used in Kingxkx Rom.
and I did try CyanogenMod's but it does not switch to HSPDA.
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Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.
Unimaginative said:
Well I'd better sue Vodafone then for selling me a phone that supports HSDPA when it doesn't!
On a more serious note, HSPA is a packet access protocol used over a UMTS network for data, not a network type. Just because you're getting the '3G' icon doesn't mean you're not getting HSPA throughput.
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Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.
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Thanks for your effort so far. Forget the icons "3G" or "H" that’s not my issue. Without connecting to data either; why when I use kings Rom in the setting/about section it shows network type as HSPDA, but when I use any other Rom it shows UMTS. Giving that I didn’t move and in the same place.
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Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.
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Ahh, now I get you. That is interesting though. I've only ever got UMTS as my network type but I definitely get HSPA rates so I took it as a given. Was there any correlation between using a certain type of ROM (like Hero vs. AOSP) where the difference appeared? . I remember trying a Hero ROM once and getting the 'H' icon instead of '3G' so maybe it's specific to those. Wish I'd checked Phone Status now...
It's possible kingklick made some form of modification to get the point across in his ROM, or possibly different APN settings he specifically uses. Kind of doubt it though.
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I agree I think it’s something that King did, or it relates to Rom’s based off a phone other than dream, I just flashed back a rooted stock 1.6 ADP DRC83 and it showed me UMTS, so it’s not the fault of the Rom developers I guess. I will try to test this further and I wish if king or other developers could further explain it.
Edit: found no correlation to what the Rom is based off; tried a magic, a hero, a dream based Rom’s and they all show UMTS, only Kings Rom show HSPDA, I will try to PM him tomorrow and find out if it’s only a naming thing or if he did something else.
I've had several diff roms show hsxpa in the status screen, it just matches the icon (eg replace the build.prop to get h versus 3g icons and you'll see the network type change in status too)
All the first hero builds did it as well as all Haykuro's orig Magic to Dream port
Also a stock Rogers Dream shows HSDPA. Here in the US they dumb things down for us by just calling it 3G or if you're real technical UMTS. However in Europe, Canada, and most of the rest of the developed world it is called what it truly is, HSDPA. When you see UMTS in there that is because it is a broader category. The same way EDGE is just an extension on 2G GSM (EDGE is 2.5G), HSDPA is an extension on the original UMTS 3G system (HSUPA & HSDPA are 3.5G)
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Maybe I took the wrong approach in discussing this, although the main use of HSPDA is Data, Telephony could use the protocols as well. I did a small test of not connecting to Data, by deleting the APN for it, or by un-checking the “connect to network” option. It still shows the phone is connected to HSPDA vs UMTS or GSM network!! That is in Kings Rom vs. Other Rom’s. Any Ideas?
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Plain and simple it does not matter what the phone shows 3g or H if you are in an area with the HSDPA you will have the higher speed data. All HTC androids at least, do have the hardware for it. As far as voice over HSDPA that is not currently enabled yet until the HSDPA is fully up and functional. If you are not getting High speed 3g then you are most likely in an area that does not support it or the connections are maxed out and you are defaulting to the standard 3g network.
aad4321 said:
i would like to see a different logo, ex "3G' or "H" when i connect to tmobiles new HSDPA+ which has much faster speeds...is this possible?
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very, someone just has to program it
The difference is the Radio Interface Library. As far as I know the htc source libraries distinguish HSDPA.
http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/telephony.html
system/lib:
libhtc_ril.so
libreference-ril.so
libril.so
You could try pushing HTC sourced RIL libraries to these other builds but the source code isn't available as far as I know.
Why do they call it the Sensation 4G when it clearly isnt proper 4G technology?
http://www.broadband-expert.co.uk/4g-mobile-broadband/
Can it even handle faster data speeds than the normal 3G version of the Sensation?
Cheers
Because it sells devices.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App
In another breaking news: The grass is actually green.
ratchetnclank said:
Because it sells devices.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App
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Yep, but its very missleading really, when all it is is simply HSPA+
Cheers
aNYthing24 said:
In another breaking news: The grass is actually green.
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twat........
usual_suspect said:
Can it even handle faster data speeds than the normal 3G version of the Sensation?
Cheers
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There are only two models for the Sensation. The Z710a and Z710e. Both are capable of the same speeds. There is no such thing as 4G or 3G Sensation. The 4G is purely branding/marketing.
lianw said:
There are only two models for the Sensation. The Z710a and Z710e. Both are capable of the same speeds. There is no such thing as 4G or 3G Sensation. The 4G is purely branding/marketing.
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I guess the Sensation HSPA+ doesnt sound so exciting
4G or not, 9Mbps down and over 1Mbps up is pretty fast. I can't say that I'm not content for the time being.
HighTech216 said:
4G or not, 9Mbps down and over 1Mbps up is pretty fast. I can't say that I'm not content for the time being.
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Yeah 9 meg down isnt bad, but Ive seen the posts from you guys on T-mobile over in the states and a lot of you are getting embarrassing results for a network claiming to be 4G which it clearly isnt yet.
Why T-Mobile call it 4G when its clearly HSPA+ I dont know. Call it 4G when 4G becomes available. I dont know anything about USA networks because Im in the UK but I thought wow they actually have 4G in the USA already? .. then I did some research and found out its a load of bollox
For the record the network im using in the UK can match T-Mobile USA for speeds but isnt claiming its a 4G network
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Why T-Mobile call it 4G when its clearly HSPA+ I dont know. Call it 4G when 4G becomes available. I dont know anything about USA networks because Im in the UK but I thought wow they actually have 4G in the USA already? .. then I did some research and found out its a load of bollox
For the record the network im using in the UK can match T-Mobile USA for speeds but isnt claiming its a 4G network
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They are calling it 4G because according the the ITU, Evolved 3G networks are considered Fourth Generation aka 4G. HSPA+ = Evolved High Speed Packet Access. Therefore, classifying HSPA+ as a 4G network is correct. It's the ITU that sets the qualifications, not some British website. You are on the late show to this argument. Nice try though. KThxBai
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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They are calling it 4G because according the the ITU, Evolved 3G networks are considered Fourth Generation aka 4G. HSPA+ = Evolved High Speed Packet Access. Therefore, classifying HSPA+ as a 4G network is correct. It's the ITU that sets the qualifications, not some British website. You are on the late show to this argument. Nice try though. KThxBai
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Ok taken from your ITU link..
and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.
I'm sorry but can you show me speed test result examples of substantial level of data speed improvement using T-Mobile USA compared to standed HSDPA (which is up to 14meg down)...
High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is an enhanced 3G (third generation) mobile telephony communications protocol in the High-Speed Packet Access (HSPA) family, also dubbed 3.5G, 3G+ or turbo 3G, which allows networks based on Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) to have higher data transfer speeds and capacity. Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.0 Megabit/s. Further speed increases are available with HSPA+, which provides speeds of up to 42 Mbit/s downlink and 84 Mbit/s with Release 9 of the 3GPP standards
Taken from here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
I havnt seen any impressive speed test results posted on here as of yet, and I would consider a 'substantial level of data speed improvement' to be around 25 meg down and 8 meg up at least, wouldnt you?
We have HSPA+ here in the UK already but our 4G spectrum auctions are not until next year...
http://www.advanced-television.com/index.php/2011/09/06/uk-4g-spectrum-auction-delayed/
By the way, its fashionable to be late to a party
Cheers
http://globaltor.com/gadgets-a-mobile/405-htc-sensation-4g-or-not
So, just bought an HD7 from eBay (in the UK) and I violated my normal rule of only buying things with a 'real' picture.
My 'unlocked' HD7 has just shown up and is T-Mobile branded. I know this doesn't mean it's locked, but I was under the impression that T-Mo in the UK didn't ever carry this phone so it really looks to me like it's from the US.
Now, I need some advice as to how acceptable this is going to be. My main concern is 3G bands. Now, with my UK SIM I'm seeing '3G' in the top left corner, which surprised me a little as I thought the bands were totally different.
I'm getting around 2/3rds of the download speed I was getting on my HTC Sensation in a quick spot test (~1Mbps vs ~1.5Mbps).
Any thoughts?
If your not using a T-Mobile sim and you still have a connection then the phone is unlocked but still branded. This wont cause you any problems that I know off.
Speed tests are a bit odd to do on mobiles and very unreliable.
Not sure what you mean by 3G Bands. 3G is 3G it should when you have a better signal up to H (HSDPA) which is the 7.5Mb speed if i remember right. If it only showed G then i would be worried.
Well, I get the unlocked bit, certainly works from that POV.
I've worked out the difference is HSPA, like you say, so that's what's missing
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Well, I get the unlocked bit, certainly works from that POV.
I've worked out the difference is HSPA, like you say, so that's what's missing
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HSDPA works on the same bands and standard 3G - in the UK is 2100MHz. If you're getting 3G but not HSDPA it's either a problem with the phones software not switching, or that the mast your phone has decided to use doesn't support HSDPA for whatever reason.
HSDPA is essentially a software update to the original 3G technology.
That's actually really helpful, thanks.
So, if I see _anything_ 3G related then all is good.
HSDPA should show as 3G+ icon. But OEMs can make the 3G+ icon show as just 3G, so you might be on HSDPA and even not know about it. Run some speed test when you have better signal strength
Indeed anything 3G related is all good.
HTC will normally replace 3G+ with a H, for obvious reasons. I don't know if TMO america have any weird definitions in place though.
Also, the maximum transfer speed of 3G is 386Kb/s, so your rating of 1Mb/s (equivalent to 1024Kb/s) suggests you're on HSDPA anyway.
I thought I can connect my 4GS onto the other UMTS network, but its max was HSDPA:9 (HSDPA:8 in JB).
Other phone such as Photon Q didn't have problem in connecting with HSPA+:15
Do I have to manually enable something? I believe this phone's potential is better than this
My carrier is using 2100MHz band, and my baseband ROM is a new one.
Is this info relevant : ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914122 [ Enable North American UMTS/HSPA bands (3G data on AT&T)]
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My carrier is using 2100MHz band, and my baseband ROM is a new one.
Is this info relevant : ?
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If your carrier is using the 2100MHz frequency, this phone should have no problem using HSPA+ with it. When I travel to China, I use a China Unicom SIM in my MT4GS which enables my phone to use their 2100MHz HSPA+ network without any problem. Back at home in US, I use T-Mobile SIM.
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If your carrier is using the 2100MHz frequency, this phone should have no problem using HSPA+ with it. When I travel to China, I use a China Unicom SIM in my MT4GS which enables my phone to use their 2100MHz HSPA+ network without any problem. Back at home in US, I use T-Mobile SIM.
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Thanks, I don't know what causes this...
So, you are seeing H+ (HSPAP:15) right? All I can see with various ROMs are only 3G and H....
Do speed tests, symbols don't always mean what they say after all
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
just tested: only around 3Mbps whereas other hspa+ phone got 9Mbps...
Is there any hidden menu to tick this on?
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Thanks, I don't know what causes this...
So, you are seeing H+ (HSPAP:15) right? All I can see with various ROMs are only 3G and H....
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The stock ROMs are configured by HTC/T-Mobile to display 4G when it has a HSPA+ connection. Other ROMs, however, will display 3G or H (depending on the ROM) for HSPA+. So, if you see 3G, H, or 4G, they are all HSPA+ connections. This phone operates data in the G (GPRS), E (2G or EDGE), and 4G/3G/H (HSPA+) modes. Depending on the carrier, it can perform up to 14Mbps HSPA+ but of course, you would rarely see that fast in the real world. It does not operate at the 21+ or 42+ levels of HSPA+.
I'm on a stock-based ROM (Miktouch), when I'm home on T-Mobile, I see 4G. Also, when I'm in China and connected to China Unicom, I see 4G.
I've never seen "H" on this phone, it always shown 3G or 4G (using stock ROM, just de-junked and rooted by myself)
IIRC speed test results, I had best down speed exceeding 14+Mbps on Wind in Vancouver and Toronto areas, but in US it almost always was 3G only (but then I was usually outside any large cities).
Fuzi0719 said:
The stock ROMs are configured by HTC/T-Mobile to display 4G when it has a HSPA+ connection. Other ROMs, however, will display 3G or H (depending on the ROM) for HSPA+. So, if you see 3G, H, or 4G, they are all HSPA+ connections. This phone operates data in the G (GPRS), E (2G or EDGE), and 4G/3G/H (HSPA+) modes. Depending on the carrier, it can perform up to 14Mbps HSPA+ but of course, you would rarely see that fast in the real world. It does not operate at the 21+ or 42+ levels of HSPA+.
I'm on a stock-based ROM (Miktouch), when I'm home on T-Mobile, I see 4G. Also, when I'm in China and connected to China Unicom, I see 4G.
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Thanks for the input, if you are using non-stock rom, still would you let me know what the following says in the most normal case:
setting - phone - status - mobile network type.
In my case, it's HSDPA:9, which seems obviously non-HSPA. Other phone shows HSPA+:15 or HSPAP:15.
Am I missing something, or HSDPA:9 can be also considered as a decent HSPA+ ?
I'm kinda downshifting toward MT4GS recently as I love its small form factor, but somewhat at a loss due to this limitation, thanks.