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A lot of reviews I have viewed on the MT4G say that even though it has a normal LCD (or SLCD -- depending on who you ask), the colors are fairly "rich". This may just be the affect SAMOLED has had on me (I am coming from a Vibrant) but I hardly find the colors on the MT4G to be "rich" -- especially the whites.
I have attached a screenshot of Google.com from my MT4G; Looking at Google.com on the MT4G, the white is more off-white than it is real white.
Anyone else seeing this? I am not expecting SAMOLED quality (obviously) and the colors are not "poor", but they are nothing special either.
EDIT: I just realized attaching a screenshot proves nothing since the problem is with how the LCD on MT4G shows it rather than the page itself. In other words, the screenshot will look just fine if viewed from a different device. So I have removed the screenshot.
I'd have to agree that it's the SAMOLED affecting your judgment.
No screen, other than another SAMOLED or the fictitious SAMOLED2, can really compete.
The SLCD(or regular LCD, depending on your source, like you said) screen in the MT4G is essentially the standard in smart phones these days. What sets the MT4G apart is the internals, which are far superior to anything on the market, imo. Second-generation 1GHZ Snapdragon processor and 768 RAM is what I'm referring to.
Personally, I found the screen on my second MT4G to be on par with the G2, which I also place above my Nexus One's AMOLED. So basically, again in my opinion, SAMOLED > G2/SLCD = MT4G/SLCD? > Nexus One/AMOLED > Everything else
Second generation processor and 768 MB of RAM is nice, although the GPU is a bit inferior to that of the Vibrant (just had to throw that out there).
That said, could it just be my particular phone? I compared Google.com on my MT4G and my laptop too and there is definitely a difference in the whites.
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Second generation processor and 768 MB of RAM is nice, although the GPU is a bit inferior to that of the Vibrant (just had to throw that out there).
That said, could it just be my particular phone? I compared Google.com on my MT4G and my laptop too and there is definitely a difference in the whites.
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Fully admit the Vibrant has a better GPU. There's tons of benchmarks to show it.
My first MT4G had a really seemed to have a washed out screen and I replaced it because of this fact, more or less.
When you had your screenshot attached, I pulled up Google.com and held it to the screen for comparison. But, like you noted when you removed it, it's being compressed through the interwebz then re-displayed on my desktop's screen so of course I saw a difference. That being said, I do think the screen on the MT4G is good. Is it better than other things currently on the market? Eh. Maybe. I think it's pretty standard, to be quite honest. It's the other internals, the build quality of the entire device itself, and the fact that I actually like SenseUI/mySense that won me over to keep the device.
The funny thing is I hate mySense/Sense -- I loved TouchWiz, haha. It really is TouchWiz/SAMOLED that really is holding me back from returning my Vibrant just yet... I am having hell of a time making up my mind.
For me it all comes down to TouchWiz + SAMOLED vs HSPA+ + FFC.
Decisions, decisions.
I whole-heartedly agree with you that the screen is nothing special. While I love my mytouch 4g, I admit that the screen is just average. There's been a lot of debate as whether the screen is slcd or not. I have to say it is a regular lcd after comparing it to the g2; while the mytouch 4g is brighter, the g2 is noticeably more saturated.
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A lot of reviews I have viewed on the MT4G say that even though it has a normal LCD (or SLCD -- depending on who you ask), the colors are fairly "rich". This may just be the affect SAMOLED has had on me (I am coming from a Vibrant) but I hardly find the colors on the MT4G to be "rich" -- especially the whites.
I have attached a screenshot of Google.com from my MT4G; Looking at Google.com on the MT4G, the white is more off-white than it is real white.
Anyone else seeing this? I am not expecting SAMOLED quality (obviously) and the colors are not "poor", but they are nothing special either.
EDIT: I just realized attaching a screenshot proves nothing since the problem is with how the LCD on MT4G shows it rather than the page itself. In other words, the screenshot will look just fine if viewed from a different device. So I have removed the screenshot.
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If I have the choice between a fantastic SAMOLED screen on a crappy samsung phone like the vibrant and a great device with a nice bright LCD like on the MT4G. I go for the MT4G. I absolutely don't care about SAMOLED. The screen is not a self purpose and people who are buying a phone solely because of a screen are crazy. I had the N1 and the AMOLED screen was too dark and never looked really sharp. I don't watch avatar on a phone (rediculous) and I don't play games (I am over 30;-) so if I have a bright and sharp screen I am satisfied.
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I'd have to agree that it's the SAMOLED affecting your judgment.
Personally, I found the screen on my second MT4G to be on par with the G2, which I also place above my Nexus One's AMOLED. So basically, again in my opinion, SAMOLED > G2/SLCD = MT4G/SLCD? > Nexus One/AMOLED > Everything else
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To me it was the opposit. Holding the Nexus One next to the MT4G I thought the nexus had better color...the 4G looked washed out. I like watching videos when traveling and my first instinct was to send the 4G back and stay with the Nexus...especially since I had the Desire Sense on it. But, the MT4G has larger internal memory, 4G, etc... I kept the 4G and my son gets the Nexus.
I may be in the minority, but I hated the SAMOLED on the Vibrant. The white balance on that device was just awful. Whites were light blue/green. Having much warmer whites that are much closer to the standard is much nicer on the mt4g. Additionally, text was so fuzzy compared to the sharp, much more readable text on the mt4g. Lastly, the colors, while certainly vivid and rich are so far from realistic, it just looked silly. No way would a good calibration specialist worth his weight in salt would arrive at those curves. It's sort of like looking at a TV on the floor of a big box retailer like Best Buy. Apparently, those settings move their TVs, and based on feedback here, people love that HDR-like cartoonish appearance. Their saturation and contrast levels are maxed out, and simply don't provide a realistic picture. The only real advantage of the Vibrant was its ability to show inky dark blacks. That was fantastic.
Agreed. I've been trying to figure out what I hated so much about the Vibrant screen, and you just nailed it for me. Personally, I think my MT4G screen is excellent. There is a point where it's simply "more than good enough", and who cares after that?
I can honestly say that, after having this phone for a few days, it is the first phone I've purchased that is worthy of replacing my Nexus One (and I've bought pretty much every Android device out there that can run on T-Mobile's network). To me, *that* means something big. I bought the Nexus on Jan. 5, and it has taken over eleven months for somebody to finally put something better out.
Love the MT4G!
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I may be in the minority, but I hated the SAMOLED on the Vibrant. The white balance on that device was just awful. Whites were light blue/green. Having much warmer whites that are much closer to the standard is much nicer on the mt4g. Additionally, text was so fuzzy compared to the sharp, much more readable text on the mt4g. Lastly, the colors, while certainly vivid and rich are so far from realistic, it just looked silly. No way would a good calibration specialist worth his weight in salt would arrive at those curves. It's sort of like looking at a TV on the floor of a big box retailer like Best Buy. Apparently, those settings move their TVs, and based on feedback here, people love that HDR-like cartoonish appearance. Their saturation and contrast levels are maxed out, and simply don't provide a realistic picture. The only real advantage of the Vibrant was its ability to show inky dark blacks. That was fantastic.
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I loved the SAMOLED screen on my Vibrant (now sold). However, that was the only thing I loved about that phone. I have to admit, when I got the MT4G and compared both phones side by side, I was slightly disappointed in what appeared to be lacking color saturation on the MT4G's display. However, after using the phone for a couple of days, not only did I begin to like the display and its extremely sharp resolution and text appearance, I forgot all about the SAMOLED.
This was probably aided by the fact that the MT4G is a phenomenally powerful device - in terms of performance, the Vibrant is not even in the same league.
I don't have a MT4G but I did play with one extensively in the store. At the time I had a Nexus 1 and Vibrant so I was a bit sad that the screen did look washed out compared to it, but when used by itself it was perfectly fine. And I do agree the colors look too oversaturated on the amoled screens as well, but the blacks are just so nice.
The thing that I do like about SLCD displays vs. amoled is the pixel layout allows for much sharper text, something I never got used to on amoled, I just dealed with it. For browsing and reading emails the MT4G screen or any SLCD for that matter is far superior than amoled. The iPhone 4's display... wow, nice sharp text. =(
So, I think there's one of two things going on with these phones. I just got my first mt4g on sunday. it came loaded with 2.2.1 and it came with a great quality screen. I had my buddy root it, and i got a little overzealous deleting bloatware and deleted "friendstream" which in turn caused the phone to never complete "syncing" and therefore i always had the syncing logo in the task bar. I took it back to the store and got a replacement....well this one came loaded with 2.2 and had a really washed out screen. I at first thought maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me....but it was so washed out, i couldn't take it any more....so I took it to another store (a busier store that would likely not be sitting on earlier builds). This one too came with 2.2.1 but also had a washed out screen...
So T-Mobile/HTC is clearly using differen't suppliers for these screens
As it is a completely noticable difference, not only in color/contrast ration, but viewing angles as well.
I will say this, I've owned a Nexus one, a Vibrant and a g2 for a few days. ,(If/When you get a "Good" Screen) I think of all the screens this one may have the best comprimise of sharpness/contrast/color. While the Nexus and Vibrant at first glance look amazing...the text is grainy (screen door effect) and the colors are unrealistic...so when viewing some picture or video it looks like cartoonish. That said, if you get a Washed out screen....it's probably the worst of all three.
I will be going back to the store in a few days to try and exchange and get a good one again.
That's my 2 pennies.
PS, I'd also like to add...that yes...I set all of them to "auto brightness" so that was not a factor.
Follow up to my previous post. There is NOTHING in 2.2.1 that improves the screen quality. There is an obvious case of more than one manufacturer making the LCD's in these phones. Because after replacement this one came with 2.2 and has a better screen. Also, We opened 5 phones at the store and all of them had washed out colors until i finally said "let's try a plum one instead of black" and that one had a good screen with higher contrast ratio. So now I'm on a Plum MT4G...and while it's not my first choice....it's pretty cool and leaps and bounds above white or red. And the Picture Quality; Better blacks, richer colors and better viewing angles than the previous two I had.
I'd encourage anyone dissatisfied to return to the T-Mobile store you purchased and ask them to open up several, before processing the exchange so that you can get a good one. The easiest way to tell, is turn the phone slightly off angle....if it gets washed out, it's the bad one. If the colors stay rich then it's a good one. The Nexus live wall paper is also very telling on a good one as the colors pop more and the grey scale is far more defined... I will try and take a photo of mine next to a washed out one so You guys can see the difference as well, soon!
Wow.. interesting stuff, btbuck1. I await your photos.
Quick question.. did you have a chance to compare the "newer" screen with the screen of a G2? I had the G2 for a few weeks and when the MT4G came out, I compared both phones at a tmobile store. The difference in the contrast and color was obvious. I wonder how the newer batch of MT4G screens compare now to the G2.
I used the G2 for about 4 days before going to the MT4G. But, I went back to the NEXUS ONE in between the two for about a week and a half so it wasn't an immediate comparison. But from what I can remember this "Good" MT4G is BETTER than the G2 in screen quality. But, the MT4G's with the poor screens couldn't stand up to the G2 at all, and certainly not to the N1.
But, I like the overall screen quality of the good MT4G's over all the phones I've had. Including the N1 & Vibrant.
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So, I think there's one of two things going on with these phones. I just got my first mt4g on sunday. it came loaded with 2.2.1 and it came with a great quality screen. I had my buddy root it, and i got a little overzealous deleting bloatware and deleted "friendstream" which in turn caused the phone to never complete "syncing" and therefore i always had the syncing logo in the task bar. I took it back to the store and got a replacement....well this one came loaded with 2.2 and had a really washed out screen. I at first thought maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me....but it was so washed out, i couldn't take it any more....so I took it to another store (a busier store that would likely not be sitting on earlier builds). This one too came with 2.2.1 but also had a washed out screen...
So T-Mobile/HTC is clearly using differen't suppliers for these screens
As it is a completely noticable difference, not only in color/contrast ration, but viewing angles as well.
I will say this, I've owned a Nexus one, a Vibrant and a g2 for a few days. ,(If/When you get a "Good" Screen) I think of all the screens this one may have the best comprimise of sharpness/contrast/color. While the Nexus and Vibrant at first glance look amazing...the text is grainy (screen door effect) and the colors are unrealistic...so when viewing some picture or video it looks like cartoonish. That said, if you get a Washed out screen....it's probably the worst of all three.
I will be going back to the store in a few days to try and exchange and get a good one again.
That's my 2 pennies.
PS, I'd also like to add...that yes...I set all of them to "auto brightness" so that was not a factor.
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I noticed the same thing regarding different displays on the MT4G. My first MT4G had a display that washed out quickly at angles. My 2nd MT4G's display does not wash out as much and generally looks better.
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I noticed the same thing regarding different displays on the MT4G. My first MT4G had a display that washed out quickly at angles. My 2nd MT4G's display does not wash out as much and generally looks better.
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Yes, I noticed before when my phone was on my desk and i got a text, i could read it while it was sitting there....then when i got the replacement phone i would have to pick the phone and face it toward me....now again with this "good screen" I can see the texts while it's sitting on the table.
I'm telling you folks, it's a night and day difference in Picture quality.
I think T-Mobile needed a ton of these for the holiday demand and HTC outsourced the screens from different manufacturers....and left some looking "Awesome!" and some looking " Meh? =/ "
My buddy tried to take pics at the store of his vs. one with the washed out screen, but it was difficult to tell with a phone camera, need a real digital camera to show it.
Maybe from here on in, for those of you claim there is a difference, please let us know where the "good" ones and "bad" ones were manufactured. Could be a pattern there. I believe this information can be found by the battery on the inside.
Mine does look good even contrast isn't "unlimited" because the screen is not AMOLED.
Well we know the DHD has LCD, but AT&T site says the inspire has SLCD... I compared mine to two MT4G, one has LCD, the other SLCD... and apparently my inspire behaves (saturation/view-angle) somewhat in between, leaning towards the LCD.
So how about yours? you probably get a LCD if a sharp view angel gives you wash out colors.
So AT&T is giving out misleading info then..
ripped a link about the MT4G good vs bad screen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863679
not really sure how accurate my judgement is.....but i can look at mine almost 180 degrees, basically until i cant see the screen anymore, and colors still look great. Doesn't seem to be washed out for me, but again, i have never compared a SLCD to an LCD.
Just as a side note....I have been MORE than impressed with this screen, even coming from a s-amoled on the Captivate. I was really thinking i was going to miss the "pop" from the captivate screen, but the colors on the Inspire have been more than pleasing to my eye. Although, the black levels on the LCD suck compared to the OLED....
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not really sure how accurate my judgement is.....but i can look at mine almost 180 degrees, basically until i cant see the screen anymore, and colors still look great. Doesn't seem to be washed out for me, but again, i have never compared a SLCD to an LCD.
Just as a side note....I have been MORE than impressed with this screen, even coming from a s-amoled on the Captivate. I was really thinking i was going to miss the "pop" from the captivate screen, but the colors on the Inspire have been more than pleasing to my eye. Although, the black levels on the LCD suck compared to the OLED....
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Leaning towards SLCD over here as well.
Searching in the forum and saw someone saying the DHD in India are SLCD. Does anyone know how to determine it on the software side?
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Well we know the DHD has LCD, but AT&T site says the inspire has SLCD... I compared mine to two MT4G, one has LCD, the other SLCD... and apparently my inspire behaves (saturation/view-angle) somewhat in between, leaning towards the LCD.
So how about yours? you probably get a LCD if a sharp view angel gives you wash out colors.
So AT&T is giving out misleading info then..
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I have an HD2, which has a common LCD...with the washed out view angles and all...and my Inspire doesn't exhibit the angle washout as my HD2. The colors are a bit more intense also.
I'm with everyone else here. I can look at mine in a complete 180 degree arc and lose very little color and detail from the most extreme angles.
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I'm with everyone else here. I can look at mine in a complete 180 degree arc and lose very little color and detail from the most extreme angles.
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ditto, i'm leaning toward SLCD
Colors are not washed out practically at all, viewing from any angle up until I can no longer see the screen. I'm wagering SLCD.
I came from Vibrant, so maybe I expected a bit too much for the inspire then..
but I compared mine to a Desire Z's SLCD and its really different.
The colors when viewing at 45 degree on the 1-2 O'clock position of the phone is extremely washed out and showed a green tint.
aqw955 said:
I came from Vibrant, so maybe I expected a bit too much for the inspire then..
but I compared mine to a Desire Z's SLCD and its really different.
The colors when viewing at 45 degree on the 1-2 O'clock position of the phone is extremely washed out and showed a green tint.
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Might just be your device, brother. I came from a Captivate (SAMOLED) and it's WP7 cousin, the Focus, and I see little to no difference in off angle viewing from either of those devices. The colors stay true, but obviously the luminance does decrease the further you move from 0 degrees.
Also, I'm using a crappy, AT&T store, anti-glare screen protector till my nice ones show up tomorrow. That further degrades the quality of the screen, so the true nature of the screen is better than I've even been describing it.
. This is surely sad.. did anyone try the Android emulator method (dmseg) in the my4g link and see what type of panel it is?
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. This is surely sad.. did anyone try the Android emulator method (dmseg) in the my4g link and see what type of panel it is?
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I looked at it, but this handset isn't a mytouch4g. That command shows a number designation that we don't have a key to for this device. They may very well be the same, but we don't know for sure. My number would designate that I had the "good screen" but I have yet to see any reply that would cause me to think that there were any bad screens, other than you. If you are unhappy with your device, take it back and see if the sales rep wouldn't mind you running the hardware check for the screen. However, if its as noticable as you say, you should be able to tell without it.
I tested my inspire against the atrix im currently using, and the qHD screen has significantly more color washout and bleed than the inspires panel. A 45 degree angle of the atrix tints everything a yellowish haze.
mine has a type 1 panel.. so I guess I'm filing a return.
Ok...so, several sites, all have different info. PC Mag, whom I trust dearly, say it's on LCD... Most other say its SLCD.. So..I have to call HTC tonight after work anyways... I'll ask them, and if I can get them to verify which one, I'll report back..
Hiya, I have jest received my Sensation yesterday and compared to my Desire the viewing angles are shockingly bad, as soon as you go off centre then it fades out.
I thought these were supposed to be better than the desire!!
How is everyones elses??
Depends which panel you have:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131592
I'd take it back and demand a replacement, and to see the replacement working before I accepted it.
Had the Sharp panel on my Vodafone-branded handset, got the Acer one on my Unbranded handset. Not a huge difference as I don't look at the phone from acute angles
nickosbad said:
Hiya, I have jest received my Sensation yesterday and compared to my Desire the viewing angles are shockingly bad, as soon as you go off centre then it fades out.
I thought these were supposed to be better than the desire!!
How is everyones elses??
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Mine is pretty good as a LCD screen. No, it doesn't have the widest view angle compared to other LCD screens I've seen, but it's not bad at all.
I also own a Desire, the original one with AMOLED screen. You cannot compare view angle of AMOLED screen with LCD screen (you can, but it isn't fair). Because of the construction difference, AMOLED has much much wider view angle than LCD in general. AMOLED also has much deeper black (because pixels can be turned off individually). I wish HTC would continue to release phones with AMOLED screen, but as of right now, Samsung has most of the control over all the AMOLED screens. Let's hope that other screen manufacturers will catch up with Samsung AMOLED technology very soon.
I had an SLCD on the Desire and it had better viewing angles as well, my sensation has the sharp panel, so yeah it's actually the first thing I noticed when I got the phone, it doesn't bother me much now though.
I think the viewing angle is ok, but not outstanding.
Acutally I dont care at all, because I allways watch it faceing me
I have an Acer and I could hold it vertical and still read everything fine xD It's not perfect and clear like it would be if you had it straight in front of you, but if it's legible and I can see the icons and widgets then that's pretty good for me.
yeah..i agree.and i dont want others to see what im doing with my phone specially when im writting text messages to someone.right?
i dont notice any bad viewing angles
I think that the gorilla glass makes a little difference as well.
Acer, and I dont notice any problem with viewing angles.
I dont really look at it from funny angles though to be honest
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Depends which panel you have:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131592
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wow great find man
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wow great find man
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LOL....100+ page thread is a great find. Pretty sure everyone who frequents the sensation forums has read at least part of that one.
Lol yup..pretty much that's all we did before we had S-OFF.We just hung out in the general forum and complain about trivial stuff,since we had nothing better to do like flashing awsome Roms,themes and mods. Oh,what a depressing time that was!
compared to my old oled desire. The sensation lcd looks much better and natural. Viewing angles are acceptable(very good in fact) too. however if compared to my friend's incredible S, the sensation screen is actually inferior.
Overall I'm quite pleased and no complain with the higher res. Cheers.
Hi guys,
I've recently picked up a Sensation, and I can't help but notice how "odd" the screen looks in comparison to my Incredible S. I've read in reviews that it is a bit disappointing in terms of viewing angles and such, and that's true. It also looks as if there are faint scan lines running across it (like a monitor that has an incorrect refresh rate) and the gamma is less intense.
Is this just how the Sensation's screen is or does mine have some issue? I may simply be really used to the Incredible S display.
I'm loving the phone otherwise.
Thanks!
My screen suffers from yellowing at more than 30° or so, but no scan lines like you mentioned. I know there was a lot of discussion about the screen when they first came out and 2 or 3 different screens were used for the displays. I have a sharp screen on mine for reference.
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I also have a " sharp" screen on mine. No lines at all. If it bothers much perhaps exchange it for one without lines. (i don't think they are supposed to be their anyway) as for contrast my daughter just got a s3 and our screen compared to the s3 screen is very poor in my opinion. Our colors seem washed out and light compared to her vivid bright screen . But I'm not really complaining I don't seem to notice unless I do a side by side comparison. If I were you I would take back the device for one without lines! Problem could worsen in the future and I know not every sensation has them. Mine doesn't . Best wishes to you .
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Hi guys,
I've recently picked up a Sensation, and I can't help but notice how "odd" the screen looks in comparison to my Incredible S. I've read in reviews that it is a bit disappointing in terms of viewing angles and such, and that's true. It also looks as if there are faint scan lines running across it (like a monitor that has an incorrect refresh rate) and the gamma is way too intense.
Is this just how the Sensation's screen is or does mine have some issue? I may simply be really used to the Incredible S display.
I'm loving the phone otherwise.
Thanks!
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I haven't used the Incredible S before, but a quick search reveals it has a 800x400 16M color S-LCD screen, the same tech in the Sensation's screen (except the higher resolution).
You're saying gamma is more intense than Incredible S, if this is the case then the Sensation may be calibrated with more vividly than the Incredible S. Does your Sensation screen have colours similar to AMOLED screens? How does the white balance look? I find my Sensation screen to be much more neutral than the typically over saturated AMOLED screens (which is how S-LCD should look like, factory default). White balance looks great too on my Sensation, pretty close to 6500K.
I've never seen scan lines on my Sensation, this is most likely the biggest clue you've given that your screen may have defects. Would be much more easier for everyone if you can post a picture of your actual Sensation screen on.
I've got an AUO screen myself. Is it possible my eyes are adjusting to it? I'll give a week and see how it goes.
It's a shame about the washed out colours, but it could be worse.
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I haven't used the Incredible S before, but a quick search reveals it has a 800x400 16M color S-LCD screen, the same tech in the Sensation's screen (except the higher resolution).
You're saying gamma is more intense than Incredible S, if this is the case then the Sensation may be calibrated with more vividly than the Incredible S. Does your Sensation screen have colours similar to AMOLED screens? How does the white balance look? I find my Sensation screen to be much more neutral than the typically over saturated AMOLED screens (which is how S-LCD should look like, factory default). White balance looks great too on my Sensation, pretty close to 6500K.
I've never seen scan lines on my Sensation, this is most likely the biggest clue you've given that your screen may have defects. Would be much more easier for everyone if you can post a picture of your actual Sensation screen on.
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My mistake, I meant to say the gamma was less intense. It seems very washed out and less saturated than my Incredible S. The blacks and whites are better though.
My only problem with the screen is that the blacks aren't black enough. Well.. I suppose that's true to all colors.. as you guys said..they're a little bit washed out.
Beside that..no scan lines and the viewing angles never disappointed me.
The scan lines-not normal.
Being washed out, highly reflective, blacks that aren't black enough, maximum brightness that isn't very good for outdoor use, and the like-normal.
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I've got an AUO screen myself. Is it possible my eyes are adjusting to it? I'll give a week and see how it goes.
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I had another Sensation with an AUO screen and found it sort of unpleasant to look at. I think it was something to do with the way the pixels were arranged, made the text look fuzzy. I also remember the screen having more of a pink/purple hue compared side by side with the Sharp screen, but I don't remember seeing any sort of scan lines.
If you just bought it from a retail outlet, I would see if you could get an exchange. If not, I guess its up to whether you want to deal with exchanging it with HTC (it should still be under their 2 year warranty), or deal with the screen as is.
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I had another Sensation with an AUO screen and found it sort of unpleasant to look at. I think it was something to do with the way the pixels were arranged, made the text look fuzzy. I also remember the screen having more of a pink/purple hue compared side by side with the Sharp screen, but I don't remember seeing any sort of scan lines.
If you just bought it from a retail outlet, I would see if you could get an exchange. If not, I guess its up to whether you want to deal with exchanging it with HTC (it should still be under their 2 year warranty), or deal with the screen as is.
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Is the warranty two years? The little slip inside the box says 12 months, which would mean this phone is out of warranty by now. (I got it from someone who upgraded their phone)
I've taken a picture of the scanlines here.
Ignoring the vertical lines that both phones have at this zoom, you can see the Sensation has faint horizontal lines running across it while the Incredible S doesn't. Not sure if that's just how the display quality is on the Sensation.
Make sure you zoom into the full size image to see.
EDIT: Sorry for double posting, I didn't realize.
Last time I spoke with HTC customer service was to get a replacement mainboard for my wife's HTC Vision/G2. When I was on the phone I inquired about my HTC Sensation warranty, as I was surprised that the G2 was even under warranty still (G2 had a 15 month warranty I believe). If I recall correctly the warranty period they told me was for two years. I was thrilled to hear it, as I was under the assumption pretty much all phone warranties were for 1 year. Give HTC a call and see what their terms are, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Also, I have some pics that I took a while back that have the Sharp screen side by side with the AUO screen, but I haven't yet located them. When/If I do, I will post them for your reference.
Edit: I am using the T-Mobile HTC Sensation 4G, not sure if this has an influence on the warranty terms, but it could (different SKU compared to European version).
After trying and failing with the S8/S8+ I decided to go for the U11.
I ordered two phones from Amazon, one for myself and one for family. They were the amazing silver. We powered them on, and then noticed backlight bleed along the lower edge. The guy on this review is the only reviewer who mentions it and shows the problem:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...pretty-good-phone-if-anyones-still-listening/
Not only that, but both phones had a dead pixel on the screen (But I think that's just my bad luck . I took it on myself to watch reviews on youtube, and I think the lower edge problem has been there on every review unit, but no reviewer mentioned it.
I really am considering a switch to the U11, but I have a serious screen OCD so I wanted to put it to you guys... Do you all experience this? And is it terribly bad on every day performance?
Thanks
evak2979 said:
After trying and failing with the S8/S8+ I decided to go for the U11.
I ordered two phones from Amazon, one for myself and one for family. They were the amazing silver. We powered them on, and then noticed backlight bleed along the lower edge. The guy on this review is the only reviewer who mentions it and shows the problem:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...pretty-good-phone-if-anyones-still-listening/
Not only that, but both phones had a dead pixel on the screen (But I think that's just my bad luck . I took it on myself to watch reviews on youtube, and I think the lower edge problem has been there on every review unit, but no reviewer mentioned it.
I really am considering a switch to the U11, but I have a serious screen OCD so I wanted to put it to you guys... Do you all experience this? And is it terribly bad on every day performance?
Thanks
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I don't have it at all that I can see. Sorry for your luck but my device is flawless.
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I don't have it at all that I can see. Sorry for your luck but my device is flawless.
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Thanks for the quick response. Check this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/u11/help/minor-issues-stuck-pixel-sound-static-t3621512
A guy posted a picture as a response. See the shadow along the bottom edge? If you don't have that, at all, this gives me hope. What color is your device if you don't mind me asking.
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Thanks for the quick response. Check this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/u11/help/minor-issues-stuck-pixel-sound-static-t3621512
A guy posted a picture as a response. See the shadow along the bottom edge? If you don't have that, at all, this gives me hope. What color is your device if you don't mind me asking.
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No shadow, no dead pixels (just went through a full pixel test - jeez this backlight will blind you on full!), no scuffed glass, nothing. It's the first device I've ever gotten from HTC with no complaints about the screen (my M7 had a yellow tint as did the M8 and the first few weeks of owning my 10, the glue hadn't settled so it was pink tinted and I had to have the Sprint store open up 8 EVOs before I found an acceptable screen to give you an idea - never had a dead pixel except on AMOLED ironically enough).
It's the Sapphire Blue.
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No shadow, no dead pixels (just went through a full pixel test - jeez this backlight will blind you on full!), no scuffed glass, nothing. It's the first device I've ever gotten from HTC with no complaints about the screen (my M7 had a yellow tint as did the M8 and the first few weeks of owning my 10, the glue hadn't settled so it was pink tinted and I had to have the Sprint store open up 8 EVOs before I found an acceptable screen to give you an idea - never had a dead pixel except on AMOLED ironically enough).
It's the Sapphire Blue.
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Thanks mate I do love the phone, and am considering another go. My guess is you are -very- lucky, most of the units I've seen myself on youtube (if not all), have it to a certain extend. Treasure and keep it !
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Thanks mate I do love the phone, and am considering another go. My guess is you are -very- lucky, most of the units I've seen myself on youtube (if not all), have it to a certain extend. Treasure and keep it !
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Yeah out of all phones I've ever ordered, this one is by far my favorite. Ridiculous battery life, no lag, great screen, no gimmicks (edge sense is actually quite useful - I use it to launch my camera immediately when I'm out and about), excellent camera, doesn't overheat, crystal clear call quality, loud speaker set up... Only thing I don't like is News Republic chewing up my battery and not being able to disable it.
I haven't even rooted it yet. Every other phone I've rooted within a week, oftentimes the day I've received it. I ordered it May 16th from HTC on pre-order and got it on June 9th. No phone has ever been in my possession that long without being modded somehow, even if it was just changing the launcher.
The light bleed problem affected every review unit as you said, and there have been several threads here mentioning it. My conclusion is that nearly every U11 has the problem although it's rather subtle so not easy not to notice if you don't know about it.
Personally I'm rather OCD about screens and I'm not happy about this defect but I'm now used to it. The location is just one that you don't look at normally. In fact I think we've grown used to ignore the lowest part of the screen as it's where ads normally sit. Also it kinda helps that the bleed gets reduced a lot depending on the angle you look at the screen from.
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The light bleed problem affected every review unit as you said, and there have been several threads here mentioning it. My conclusion is that nearly every U11 has the problem although it's rather subtle so not easy not to notice if you don't know about it.
Personally I'm rather OCD about screens and I'm not happy about this defect but I'm now used to it. The location is just one that you don't look at normally. In fact I think we've grown used to ignore the lowest part of the screen as it's where ads normally sit. Also it kinda helps that the bleed gets reduced a lot depending on the angle you look at the screen from.
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Thanks. I am considering getting a device regardless. I will ponder it over the weekend - and if you are OCD and can live with it, so must I. If you can help with advice on how to deal with such impulses (over screens), do drop me a message. I am desperately trying to drop that habit off.
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Thanks. I am considering getting a device regardless. I will ponder it over the weekend - and if you are OCD and can live with it, so must I. If you can help with advice on how to deal with such impulses (over screens), do drop me a message. I am desperately trying to drop that habit off.
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I'm very OCD regarding LCD screen and the phone itself. The phone is perfect except for the light bleeding, a stuck pixel and some sound static in earphone. Otherwise the phone is perfect like the camera, sound, battery life and performance.
As I bought the phone from Hong Kong its a pain in the... To return it. So with a 10% discount off that seller gave me I learned to enjoy and love the phone.
My HTC One X, M8x, 10 U11 and the S8+ all suffered from flaws being the S8+ the worst (random restarting and pinkish screen tone) so I'm not a lucky person about phones.
@evak2979 i sent you a message but basically it's about accepting defeat when it comes to small flaws, unfortunately there's not more to it. Although of course, if your phone has serious build issues that no one else has it should go back to HTC.
I have is as well. Actually this is my second unit (Black), the previous (Silver) had it as well. I can see it in display test application but I would say it is not affecting normal usage. Overall I am happy with display quality.
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I have is as well. Actually this is my second unit (Black), the previous (Silver) had it as well. I can see it in display test application but I would say it is not affecting normal usage. Overall I am happy with display quality.
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Like I told my new pal on PM, I got the S8+ new for a very good price (539, UK).
If that sinks, I'll bite the bullet and return to HTC. It's funny because I don't mind scuffs, or scratches, or what. I just want a normal okay screen. I remember being happy with Note 4, with S5, With M8, With M9.
Then this new fashion started with every display being the dumbs
And the S8+ arrived with dust under the glass.
I've fought for a long time with my OCD to accept that AMOLEDs will never have consistent whites (though my one plus 3t is perfect, the one phone I've kept over the months). As of late with the S8 it's also been, full red edges, dead pixels, dust specs.
Let's try the U11 again. If it just has light bleed and no dead pixels I'll keep it...
I don't have light bleed.
I use edge to launch my calendar.
Sound through the earphones is shockingly good!
It looks dated in any other color but blue or red.
Those bezels? Ug.
The screen is beautiful and they've coated with oleophilics that feel INCREDIBLE.
The camera is excellent.
It's a very VERY good phone.
I have it on mine, but It's hardly even noticeable... Definitely not a game-changer for me. It's not enough for me to return it for a new one.
Just updating that I received my HTC U11 black, and I sent it back with a dead pixel. That's the third U11 with dead pixels, the first two having been silvers from Amazon.
I have also encountered issues with S8s (dust under glass), but not so much or frequent.
I want to get a U11 more than I do an S8, but I am really really skeptical about a few things - the build quality of the panel. The reports that some of the units are not so water proof (The solar reds apparently, a youtube search I did testified to that.
Sorry for diverting this thread from its original post, but I am really curious about you guys' opinion. I agree to having screen OCD, and that I should lower my standards when it comes to white consistency on AMOLED, for example. Or even some light bleed on LCD panels.
But dead pixels? Dead pixels on 649 pound devices, top end flagship? What is going on with QC and how lost must we drop our standards.
And if anyone thinks I am lying I am happy to provide with pictures...
If anyone from the UK has a relatively faultless HTC, please tell me where you bought it from so I can buy from there myself. And which color variant.
Thank you.
Hi, I believe you as I have the same problem with my Asian version. But can you share a picture? I want to compare mine with yours.
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Thanks. I am considering getting a device regardless. I will ponder it over the weekend - and if you are OCD and can live with it, so must I. If you can help with advice on how to deal with such impulses (over screens), do drop me a message. I am desperately trying to drop that habit off.
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Just updating that I received my HTC U11 black, and I sent it back with a dead pixel. That's the third U11 with dead pixels, the first two having been silvers from Amazon.
I have also encountered issues with S8s (dust under glass), but not so much or frequent.
I want to get a U11 more than I do an S8, but I am really really skeptical about a few things - the build quality of the panel. The reports that some of the units are not so water proof (The solar reds apparently, a youtube search I did testified to that.
Sorry for diverting this thread from its original post, but I am really curious about you guys' opinion. I agree to having screen OCD, and that I should lower my standards when it comes to white consistency on AMOLED, for example. Or even some light bleed on LCD panels.
But dead pixels? Dead pixels on 649 pound devices, top end flagship? What is going on with QC and how lost must we drop our standards.
And if anyone thinks I am lying I am happy to provide with pictures...
If anyone from the UK has a relatively faultless HTC, please tell me where you bought it from so I can buy from there myself. And which color variant.
Thank you.
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Hi, I believe you as I have the same problem with my Asian version. But can you share a picture? I want to compare mine with yours.
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Of course...Here. Same on all three, just in different positions.
Mine is in a similar position but it's not black. Indeed it changes according to the color but of course it's different from the rest. Mine is more a defective pixel than a dead or stuck one. I thought it was the same pixel issue but it's not.
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Of course...Here. Same on all three, just in different positions.
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Mine is in a similar position but it's not black. Indeed it changes according to the color but of course it's different from the rest. Mine is more a defective pixel than a dead or stuck one. I thought it was the same pixel issue but it's not.
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Nah mine is dead dead.
I am considering a 4th U11. At this point, I don't even care about the light bleed. But 3/3 with dead pixels, it can't just be bad luck. That's the thing. I mean this is very bad QC. None of the reviewers are mentioning things like this. Or the issues with the S8 screen.
I think at this point someone needs to step up and say : ok guys, these are the GOOD things about the phone. But there is also
S8 (red tints, even after patch. Bad smudges on grey. Dust particles under panel)
U11 (Dead pixels. Light bleed at bottom of the screen).
In the end, the only trustworthy review is XDA forums and its users.