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Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
smashpunks said:
Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
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I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
rukawa2k said:
I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
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My first phone had a lot of bleeding, switched it out for another and it barely has any. That's the only problem I've really run into.
My first unit had the restart problem but I replaced it at the tmo store and this new one is working fine and is almost up to the two day uptime since its initial boot.
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I got my phone last night and only issue I have is the screen bleed but it don't bug me either. So far really nice phone.
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I also got my phone on the 20th and everything have been running perfect. This phone is just amazing. The only thing I miss about my droid Incredible was the MIUI ROM.
I've had one reboot, but 2-1/2 days since then without any problems. I was a bit concerned about battery life for the first couple of days, but I've been off-charger for about 7 hours now with light usage and the battery is still at 83%, which is fine. Otherwise, no problems other than minor software issues (kinetic scrolling parameters, Qik has a version incompatibility with iPhone, I can't add applications to Car Home).
This tends to happen a lot. The people who are happy are content and don't usually post about it. Conversely, those who have issues, or think they have issues, end up posting about them, so you basically just end up with a bunch of negative discussions.
This is my 4th Android phone (G1, Nexus One, Epic 4G, and now the G2X), and by far the best one I've ever owned, ever.
I've had mine since the 20th and so far have had no problems at all. I activated it in the store and had a slight concern when it seemed to freeze up for a few minutes after it asked about synching my apps. However, I waited a few minutes and apparently it was indexing everything, because once it came back to normal I checked my apps and everything was there. Both the T-Mo rep and I were surprised to see all the apps back as well as my contacts, emails, and texts. Gotta love that Google cloud!
My only complaint (if you can even call it that) is that I can't tell which end is up when I pick it up. I came from a Nexus One and that trackball was a huge clue for where the top of the phone was. This phone is so dark with its new black gel case that I usually pick it up upside down and struggle to find the power button. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually. Glad to see all my apps working with no hiccups, and I was fortunate not to get one with any screen bleed or unexpected restarts. Hope this keeps up.
i thought i had the wifi/4g problem but it was a mistake on my part. had the phone little over 24 hours and not a problem thus far
Most Happy people wont go to xda to create a thread and tell people how perfect and great their phone is.
Xda is clearly not the place for that. Im one of them. I have no issues with my phone, it has been great, fast and reliable.
Im just lurking around the G2X forums waiting for development updates.
No problems on my phone.
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No problems on mine either.
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No problems with my phone.
Only a small amount of screen bleed here, and for some reason I can't get it to connect to hspa only umts. Other than that great. Sucks though my vibe got hspa.
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No "send it back" issues here
my data connection sometimes locks up and seems slower than my vibrants connections. but i'm sure newer basebands/radios will come out and hopefully fix all that. a tiny bit of bleeding on top corner but nothing noticeable...i'm loving it....wish it had 768 ram but it has enough, haven't ran into many problem in that area, i have almost 300 apps and a multitask alot so i'm hopping this one doesn't kill my adw ex in the backround..i have it on persistent but it can still kill it if it wants....fingers crossed that's never an issue. so far love the phone....now waiting on the cable for the HDMI to come in the mail, and screen protectors.
One day 1, I had a couple random reboots. Days 2 and 3 have so far been completely error free. I have very little LCD bleed, only a tiny bit in the top corners that I can barely notice. Standby battery life has improved immensely as well. Down to 3-4% battery per hour which is very good on a stock ROM/kernel.
I'm totally satisfied.
I really like the phone and am keeping it but there's no question it has issues. Everyone uses their phone differently which is why we are having different experiences. I rely on Wi-Fi and Bluetooth heavily and LG's implementation of both is quirky causing erratic behavior. T-Mobile really screwed up the data management settings with their My Account app allowing the phone to use native data when set to Wi-Fi only. You're experiencing that whether you realize it or not.
I was in a T-Mobile store and they allowed me to play around with the configuration of their demo unit. I could replicate almost all the strangeness I experienced on my phone. Someone who uses the phone differently may never see the issues I'm having. Either software updates from LG or a replacement ROM will cure most of the problems that have been posted so in the end the phone will still be a good choice.
No issues here...
Flawless...
Mine is fantastic, I dont seem to have any screen bleed or reboots but ive noticed it seems like it lags sometime coming from the lock-screen but doesn't affect anything. All we need now are some custom roms.....
I am loving this phone, but these issues are killing me! Anyone else thinking of keeping this thing until the Sensation comes out, and then swapping it out? I bought my G2X on May 8th, so I am hoping to refund and get the Sensation as long as that's the release date. LG really needs to fix this or I think a lot of us will be kicking this thing to the curb.
have you not yet heard that a patch is on the way? I'm thinging no...
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I'm not too sure about that. I literally just called LG Electronics after I posted this thread and they told me that this is not a "known issue" with this device. OMG really??? I asked the Rep to Google it herself, and she will see 1000's of complaints from consumers, she told me LG doesn't pay attention to blogs???? So how is a patch coming if they are denying there is even an issue? Call for yourself 800-243-0000. They kept telling me that I must have dropped it or submersed it in liquid. TERRIBLE customer service!!! I most likely will be returning this thing today. I am a man with a sour taste in my mouth now.
Exchange it until u get the sensation, this is my 3rd phone with the same problem.
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the fix is coming. every phone launches with bugs. don't believe it? return your phone.
didn't you really need to start 2 threads about this?
Flash CM7. No reboots at all.
I didn't have reboots running stock 2.2 but try CM7. If you still have reboots on a rom that is not based on LG's build, then you have a faulty phone. If CM7 fixes your reboots, then you know it is just buggy software.
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Flash CM7. No reboots at all.
I didn't have reboots running stock 2.2 but try CM7. If you still have reboots on a rom that is not based on LG's build, then you have a faulty phone. If CM7 fixes your reboots, then you know it is just buggy software.
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+1...logic. I am ashamed that didn't cross my mind.
I haven't had problems (aside from one reboot two weeks ago) so, the problem isn't universal. I would trade it in until I got a stable one...IDK.
Just something that i have observed in the past few days... I have recently come back to toledo ohio from phoenix arizona... the major difference between these two places is that in tempe specifically, I had 4g nonstop and everywhere i went whether it was way out in gilbert, north phoenix or out in goodyear, however back home here, I live on the outer fringes of sylvania and my signal is horrible and it was the same crap on my nexus one... I am happy with 2g but typically it is GPRS or just no signal at all, thank god for wifi-calling!
Ok so back in AZ, I never had any reboot problems or battery pulls after charging... I bought the phone on the 20th of april and I think i had 1 reboot and 1 battery pool within the first 24 hours of having the phone, no big in my opinion... Since I have been back wednesday night i have had 4 random reboots and just this morning I had to pull my battery. Strange thing was when i put it back in the battery was at 89%... my battery monitor says it was fully charged then there was a sudden drop, so i charged it back up again....
I am wondering if my changed cell signal and strength has caused these issues... if you are having reboot problems what is your cell signal like on a consistent basis?
I have been running on EB1.0.2 since I has been out
I just posted how to fix the reboot problems. Tested!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13770645&postcount=13
That would be a good test. Someone having reboot problems to put the phone in 2G only and give it a few days.
I travel for work and never had any problems outside of using the leaked Gingerbread build. I suspect the Kernel is the issue and something in the software is causing the reboots. Since the leaked gingerbread didn't come with a kernel, it only worsened the problem.
Anyway, give my method a shot and see if the problems still exist.
player911 said:
I just posted how to fix the reboot problems. Tested!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13770645&postcount=13
That would be a good test. Someone having reboot problems to put the phone in 2G only and give it a few days.
I travel for work and never had any problems outside of using the leaked Gingerbread build. I suspect the Kernel is the issue and something in the software is causing the reboots. Since the leaked gingerbread didn't come with a kernel, it only worsened the problem.
Anyway, give my method a shot and see if the problems still exist.
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Nice! Will give it a try now. Thanks!
Even with CM7 I was getting the constant reboots and freezes on two different phones, both of which have been returned.
I tried to like the phone as hard as I could - but those problems were a definite deal breaker.
If they can get them resolved, I may go the G2x route again but I fear the problem is more due to lack of quality control than just a software glitch.
Straight from the LG Forum Site:
Posted by Wwax on 06 May 2011 10:36 AM:
First time i saw LG's official statment was on 19 of April.. Sooo ANYONE got the "FIX" yet?
"LG is aware that certain Optimus 2X customers are occasionally experiencing random device shut-offs. The Nordics have been one of the first markets to sell Optimus 2X and we have sold a substantial amount of units. The return percentage is low and within the error marginal, so this issue only affect a limited number of customer. However, LG regrets the inconvenience this has caused.
We have determined the cause of the problem and have developed a software update to remedy this. The update is currently being rolled out in partnership with carriers. Dates of update availability will be determined by individual carriers. LG is committed to providing quality devices and is working hard to ensure that users have a consistent and convenient smartphone experience. Again, our apologies for the inconvenience."
Posted by LG Product Pro on 06 May 2011 12:56 AM:
I can't speak for the Optimus 2x since it's an international release and I only deal with the US phones released in the states.... But the G2x update should be just around the corner, from what I have heard.
SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
I am loving this phone, but these issues are killing me! Anyone else thinking of keeping this thing until the Sensation comes out, and then swapping it out? I bought my G2X on May 8th, so I am hoping to refund and get the Sensation as long as that's the release date. LG really needs to fix this or I think a lot of us will be kicking this thing to the curb.
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My first G2x had no reboot problems, no battery problems, etc. Only issue was bad backlight bleed. Exchanged and 2nd phone had almost zero backlight bleed, but gets warm pretty quick compared to the first one, self reboots at least twice a day, bluetooth to my car now only works sporadically, wifi disconnects itself after screen shuts off, etc.
Third phone sent was the worst of the three. I'm keeping the 2nd one a day before my remorse period is up and doing a full refund which is 5/29. Waiting to see what Sammy will announce on 5/24 as far any US release announcements.
I've had zero reboots on mine, still on stock froyo but rooted and bloatware frozen. I've only had two freezes since I've got it but it was usually right after I installed some app and had it running along with a bunch of other ones. But the thing is I'm constantly killing tasks. After coming from Nokia N900 and symbian N8 seeing android constantly leaving tasks open with no exit option on every app drives me nuts.
SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
I am loving this phone, but these issues are killing me! Anyone else thinking of keeping this thing until the Sensation comes out, and then swapping it out? I bought my G2X on May 8th, so I am hoping to refund and get the Sensation as long as that's the release date. LG really needs to fix this or I think a lot of us will be kicking this thing to the curb.
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My phone has stopped rebooting ever since I've disabled the GPS. It used to reboot randomly, however ever since I've disabled the GPS I have no issues. It is a software problem it will be fixed with software update. Give it a try-hopefully it will help you as well
This is my 3rd phone and they all reboot or freeze with gps, wifi disabled.
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Picked up my 3rd G2x yesterday - immediately flashed to Bionix, had no troubles... until...
I plugged it in to charge overnight.
I woke up this morning and it was hard frozen, hard to pull the battery.
Ok guys - I'm at a breaking point here. I've tried every ROM available. I've tried the phones with and without any 3rd party software being installed. I've tried them all without GPS, bluetooth or WIFI turned on...
I guess LG doesn't want us doing a simple task like .... charging the battery. And yes, I was charging using the OEM charger. And when I woke up and found it locked up the battery was not warm.
I picked up this 3rd G2x out of sheer impatience for the Sensation but it looks like this one is going back too. I simply can't take this anymore.
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Picked up my 3rd G2x yesterday - immediately flashed to Bionix, had no troubles... until...
I plugged it in to charge overnight.
I woke up this morning and it was hard frozen, hard to pull the battery.
Ok guys - I'm at a breaking point here. I've tried every ROM available. I've tried the phones with and without any 3rd party software being installed. I've tried them all without GPS, bluetooth or WIFI turned on...
I guess LG doesn't want us doing a simple task like .... charging the battery. And yes, I was charging using the OEM charger. And when I woke up and found it locked up the battery was not warm.
I picked up this 3rd G2x out of sheer impatience for the Sensation but it looks like this one is going back too. I simply can't take this anymore.
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so weird to me. I've had 3 and never had a reboot issue... I love this phone..
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so weird to me. I've had 3 and never had a reboot issue... I love this phone..
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Must be nice
I agree, when I bought the phone the t mobile Rep told me GPS would freeze it until its updated. Although I've had one black screen freeze and one reboot on the charger, but if you think about the o2x, having LG state that it has a problem unlocking from the button (freeze where you must take battery out), reboots on charger... means they must be able to fix this as well. Not too worried, especially when they told me that when I bought it. Mine did freeze without GPS on though
Pecata said:
My phone has stopped rebooting ever since I've disabled the GPS. It used to reboot randomly, however ever since I've disabled the GPS I have no issues. It is a software problem it will be fixed with software update. Give it a try-hopefully it will help you as well
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Hey all,
I've got a rather funky bug going on here. I'm told it's not uncommon for G2x phones to suddenly turn off and require users to take out the battery for a reboot. But I recently ran into a super weird issue.
Tried to use my phone, encountered a black screen. Tried to turn it on, even took out battery and placed it back in with no luck. Went home and plugged it into adapter, got a screen showing the battery charging but that's it. With the battery out, pressed the boot screen, got the white LG logo before it turned off again.
Problem was solved as soon as I plugged the phone into my notebook instead. Booted up normally with no problems!
Is this a common occurrence?
If this problem persists, I might have to sell this phone (bought it on fleabay) and get a different one. Dang LG really rushed the G2x in spite of flaws!
If that happens, I'll be needing recommendations for a new phone.
I don't think this issue is common, this is my 1st time reading about it, and it certainly hasn't happened to me! good luck, if you're changing phones I'd suggest the galaxy Nexus
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I don't think this issue is common, this is my 1st time reading about it, and it certainly hasn't happened to me! good luck, if you're changing phones I'd suggest the galaxy Nexus
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GSN is too expensive for me. Was hoping for under $300.
Was contemplating the G4SG, but I hear that while having fewer bugs, it's also a lot slower overall. I can't live without my cheap dualcore!
That's an odd one, a couple of things I will say:
I've noticed that for me if I have it plugged in and powered down then try to boot it, the thing won't start. I have to unplug it, boot it and plug it back in once it's started up initially.
Also, if you're considering loading a custom ROM, do it and if the thing is still acting like that, throw it at the nearest T-mobile store, and be sure to hit someone with it.
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That's an odd one, a couple of things I will say:
I've noticed that for me if I have it plugged in and powered down then try to boot it, the thing won't start. I have to unplug it, boot it and plug it back in once it's started up initially.
Also, if you're considering loading a custom ROM, do it and if the thing is still acting like that, throw it at the nearest T-mobile store, and be sure to hit someone with it.
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It was rooted with Tsugi. I haven't had any other issues yet. Rooted/flashed it yesterday, this is the 2nd day in.
And I don't have a receipt for the phone. Bought it used from another person. :/
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It was rooted with Tsugi. I haven't had any other issues yet. Rooted/flashed it yesterday, this is the 2nd day in.
And I don't have a receipt for the phone. Bought it used from another person. :/
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Try a different ROM, didn't you buy it off E-bay? If nothing else, either e-bay or paypal (assuming you used it) should cover you if you were given a lemon.
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Try a different ROM, didn't you buy it off E-bay? If nothing else, either e-bay or paypal (assuming you used it) should cover you if you were given a lemon.
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I'll see what happens. If the phone turns out to be a lemon, I'm going to request a refund and go the paypal dispute route if I must. I'd rather not have to.
It's a real shame too. This is a really nice phone.
Flash phoenixblood 1.7 rom and use faux123 stock cm or DS. 0.4.8 kernel, I can almost 100% guarantee you that will solve your problem.
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something similar happens to me never tried the rom your on but what i did to fix was: Settings>Applications>Development> check stay awake it helped me out maybe it will help you. let me know how everything goes.
zeth006 said:
GSN is too expensive for me. Was hoping for under $300.
Was contemplating the G4SG, but I hear that while having fewer bugs, it's also a lot slower overall. I can't live without my cheap dualcore!
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I actually just sold my g2x and went back to my GS4G and don't regret it. Running octane 3.0 the speed difference is so negligible you won't even notice it unless your comparing them side by side.
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If it happens again then sell it, the only thing that makes this phone unable to compete with the Galaxy Nexus is that it doesn't have ICS yet, and the screen is smaller and in lower resolution. But I believe if you get a good one then performance is better than the Gnex seeing as the highest clock speed I've seen achievable and stable for the Gnex is 1.35, and the GPU is slow and outdated. The camera on the G2x is also higher resolution, but lacks the lagless shutter.
This phone may be cheap, but it is very powerful. The only reason it had so many complaints is poor quality control, and very bad software developers. Hardware is crazy though.
If you were to sell your G2x, I'd take the Galaxy S II HD version over the Gnex.
Guys, I would like to know if any of you are having the same experience that I am having right now.
My Samsung Galaxy S3 is overheating to a point that it can burn me a little if I have it inside my pocket.
Is this normal for a device that's not even rooted?
Some people told me to give it back but I would like to know first, cause I seriously hate talking to these people from the help desk.
Any help will be appreciated
Dunno - i've been playing a lot of games ( glwg, asphalt 7, shadowgun etc...) web browsing, pdf editing and viewing and generally using it for what it can do.
Haven't had any overheating problems in the few weeks i've had it, been using that way both in an otterbox defender and naked.
I've seen here and there others mentioning overheating issues but i've yet to experience them firsthand.
My last device suffered some painful to the touch overheating issues which were completely solved by ditching the stock battery and going with an aftermarket one. I've also seen some reference to this being a fix here too.
Not having overheating issues and having been pleasantly surprised with the life of the stock battery for the screen size of the device, I haven't gone aftermarket yet so can't give a firsthand account of how that helps, if at all, but figured i'd toss out what little i've seen so far.
I haven't had any major battery issues until this weekend. I used Google Navigation for 4 hours in the car while charging. I was only 10 – 15 minutes away from my destination when my phone shut itself off...when I needed it most! I tried rebooting...nothing.
I haven't experienced any issues with my S3. However on my previous Galaxy Nexus I did, once the cause was a bad rom/kernel combination the other time later on the battery just gave up on me. I called Verizon and asked for a battery replacement...I told them that I have used another battery of my wife's phone since she owned the same device at the time and with her battery the phone would work just fine without over-heating. The Verizon support guy sent me an extended battery for the inconvenience. I'm always lucky Verizon. Hope this helps.
I have.....not really concerned...bc i had that same problem with my og evo 4g and 3d......
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When you sell over 10 million of them a few are bound to be bad (heck 1% failure rate gives 100,000 bad batteries). That said it doesn't seem to be a common problem so I would definitely hold out for a free (to you) replacement.
I find my phone gets hot when I'm in low service areas.. I would venture to guess it's a radio issue..
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Guys, I would like to know if any of you are having the same experience that I am having right now.
My Samsung Galaxy S3 is overheating to a point that it can burn me a little if I have it inside my pocket.
Is this normal for a device that's not even rooted?
Some people told me to give it back but I would like to know first, cause I seriously hate talking to these people from the help desk.
Any help will be appreciated
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During about a 10 min email \ web visit with my S3 after a workout, I noticed that the phone was physically hot, to the point I thought it might be too hot. This, coupled with a "no sim" message today, at random, and some crappy battery life, is driving me to visit the local verizon store tomorrow and get it exchanged, just in case. (still in the 14 day window)
Will let you know if it's any better for me.
This is a common problem?
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The "no sim" message is, but I can't seem to find a real fix that will work in the US yet. I have seen cell towers blamed to sim cards not being clean to wifi screwing with things. So, I am not sure what really is the root of the problem.
With regards to heat, not sure. It feels like it's hotter than it should be, with normal use. Hotter than my iPad gets with constant use.
I only feel my phone getting slightly warm after playing games for a while. But that happened with my last two smartphones so I'm not really concerned. About as warm as my DInc2 and nowhere near as hot as my LG smartphone.
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My S3 gets a little warm playing games for hours.
When I download torrents for hours, does this thing get HOT. Specifically the bottom half of the phone. Almost uncomfortable to touch.
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I have the same problem...
the only thing to have had my phone get really hot was a different charger. Have you been using a different charger lately?
Reminds me of how hot my rezound used to get when they were first released.
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I haven't had any heating issues except the fact that it gets hot in my pocket when its really hot out, I've had a replacment since the last time that happened and no heat issues since.
hell my screen just whent out, 2nd s3 i know thats done that. mine and my brother n laws.
No problems here running latest cm10.
I exchanged my initial S3 today at the local Verizon store. I explained it was running hot, the battery life was abysmal, and I had the dreaded "no sim". The salesman and manager started to explain to me there was an update and they couldn't fix it... for about five minutes, until I asked if they could explain how the 14 day return policy worked. They immediately said mine was DOA and would be happy to give me a new phone. Five minutes after I got home from the store, I got a "no sim" message... starting to think its definitely a cell tower \ verizon software issue. Oddly enough, my battery drain is a lot better, so it wasn't all for naught!
My phone does get pretty warm at school, but I chalk that up to having terrible service while indoors. Other than that, it doesn't get that hot.
Anyone else got a Tilt VU?
I got mine Friday after pledging to the Kickstarter Campaign.
It is cute.
I'm having an issue with it charging to 85% and stopping.
I was wondering if this is a common experience or just me.
I'm testing right now with my son's N7 FD, and tonight I'm going to test with my wife's N4.
remarquian said:
Anyone else got a Tilt VU?
I got mine Friday after pledging to the Kickstarter Campaign.
It is cute.
I'm having an issue with it charging to 85% and stopping.
I was wondering if this is a common experience or just me.
I'm testing right now with my son's N7 FD, and tonight I'm going to test with my wife's N4.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357519&highlight=tylt
Got mine before the KS got yours. Didn't the other threads pop up when you created this one?? When I just tried it, about 4-5 threads, not including this thread shows up.
Granted, there are no reviews until mine, but that's because I was the first to post a review because I got mine in early.
I use mine every day. I have issues when the phone is overheating and that stops it from charging to 100%, but after a reboot it works fine. Not sure why, but it happens about once a month average. This usually happens when I am below 20% or less in battery before plopping it on the VU.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2357519&highlight=tylt
Got mine before the KS got yours. Didn't the other threads pop up when you created this one?? When I just tried it, about 4-5 threads, not including this thread shows up.
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Not if you spell TYLT "TILT".
I got my wife's N4 and son's N7 FD to 100%.
I've taken your advice and rebooted.... we'll see.
Sorry about the extraneous thread.