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So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
Blue6IX said:
So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
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Regardless of what impression you may have, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to run MSWin on ARM hardware natively. The reason for this is that MSWin is x86 and ARM is... ARM. The approach used in the first link is to use BOCHS (pronounced "Box"), which is a VIRTUAL HARDWARE EMULATOR. It requires a host operating system to be functioning in the background, in this case Linux.
As for Ubuntu... well sure. No problem. Its Linux and the phone runs Linux. Not that big of a stretch to replace the Android parts with GNU.
Note that NONE of this is any kind of "great breakthrough". Bochs has been around for a VERY long time. First OPEN SOURCED in early 2000. Yeah, 12 years ago. As for Ubuntu... well I suppose that the main reason that most people aren't making a native android replacement out of ubuntu, is that not many people are all that interested in it. Cute in theory, but not practical.
What would be a more worthy project would be to upgrade android to GNU libraries and utilities. This would afford us an actually USEFUL balance between the two. Also the ability to run X *through* android without having to do stupid things like VNC. Have the proper interface ***AS AN ANDROID APPLICATION***, leaving Android to work (i.e., phone calls, etc.) while simultaneously offering the standard Linux applications.
My thought though, is that this is becoming less and less important. Firefox is on Android now, the Document foundation has announced LibreOffice for Android -- supposed to be by late 2012 to early 2013... GIMP has no place on Android... That certainly covers the basics.
Appreciate the post. I didn't have time to dig into it too deeply, so took it at face value for the impression I got. Happened to come across it in passing and didn't want to lose track of something vital to the future dev of a project like this on the doubleshot. (but definitely this doesn't belong in the dev section at this time - just clutter there.)
I was hoping people would add to it, especially the way you have, who had more of an understanding of what's going on there - I didn't realize that it was a virtual environment for the windows stuff, but it did seem to good to be true.
Even if no one responded I figured the thread would get pushed down out of the way, but still be here when I got the time to come back to it.
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My reason for running native linux on the device itself is to be able to use the Android SDK and tools without needing a computer to do so. I have 2 of these phones and a Nook Color. The NC has USB host support, so I could plug the doubleshot into it without frying either device. (yes, i'm blending android and linux concepts here - but usb host support in android shows that it's capable of doing it)
Even from one doubleshot to the other I could use wifi adb for a lot of stuff without plugging them into each other through USB and frying the phones. So that would be a victory as well.
The lack of a hardware charging circuit in the doubleshot makes the worry of frying the phones a big deal, power transfer through USB is a big hurdle to jump in management.
Beyond that - the doubleshot is powerful enough on hardware specs to be able to compile a kernel, but that's not gonna happen through a virtual linux install because the overhead is too much. A native install might just be able to do it though. Won't know until I try, but it's worth the work to get to the point of trying, even if it doesn't work out.
The Nook Color probably won't be able to compile a kernel - it's asking too much from a device not really able to handle that.
Getting what I mentioned above to work would mean I could do all my dev work with what fits in my pocket, and let me keep working wherever I am.
I do like the idea of an app to work with this through Android itself - but I don't see how I could use the SDk and variety of user-created tools without a native linux install. Worth pursuing either way though.
If anyone has anything to add, i'd be welcome to hear it. Just understand this is not a project i'm working on or actively pursuing right now - but fully intend to down the line.
Actually blue. There is a thread somewhere that has a step by step on installing ubuntu on gingerbread. I meant to add it when I added the backtrack link. For some reason I didn't, I probably forgot, I actually think the link for it is in the backtrack thread in the sticky.
If I do find it ill let you know.
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So after playing with my Surface for 5 days now, it is obvious there is a lot of capability in the back end through the Desktop. II have networked printers, and drives at both home and office going, streaming content etc. It is very capable for what it is, way beyond any other Ipad and Android tablet out there. So it seems to me it is just a matter of time before some XDAer figures out a way to unleash it and possibly load other programs (non-RT) programs some way. We know the official MS word is no, but it seems to me it is a fully capable Win8 machine that just has some goierners on it and limited processing power, just waiting to be cracked.
Am I just dreaming?
I would love to see this happen. The one thing holding me back from purchasing one. I'd love a Windows 8 Pro version tablet at the Surface RT pricing but wouldn't we all...
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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liu2002 said:
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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I don't think it's necessarily about the Tegra being "as good" as an x86 - the issue is that you'd need an emulator, or the source for the x86 app which you'd then need to re-compile for ARM. I believe MS made a developer toolkit available that allows simpler conversion from x86 to ARM but it's still up to the app vendors to do it.
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Skitals said:
In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Why do you say that?
Because its not allowed, only metro style apps published through the app store are allowed. Even if you compile compatible desktop software, the OS won't run it. Its a closed sandbox.
At best we can hope for a "homebrew" community to compile open source software, and find some hacks to get it running.
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Hello,
I’m a happy owner of the Surface RT and I just wanted to add my 2c.
I think that Metro UI is great for tablet, but lacks apps !
So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform ! I think the main goal and the first “Homebrew” must be recompilation of Mono for ARM. As this will allow us develop a lot of programs, quickly and using “good” tools (Visual )
I just started to study WinRT and I’m already hitting a lot of blocks (For instance, I cannot find a way to open Shared Socket ! So if any other app listen on 1900 port, I lose my SSDP discovery... )
But I think recompilation of Mono is definitely a way to go ! I think i’ll try it this week-end, if I have some time, but It’s sure I will not be able install on my surface As for now it seems to be impossible to enter Testing Mode on it.
Jurion
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So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform !
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I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
Skitals said:
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Everything doesn't have to come through the MS store, you can install applications that you build in Visual Studio 2012 for Windows Store, create an appx package and choose not to publish it in Windows Store. VS2012 then creates an appx package as well as a PowerShell script that you can run on Surface, accept security warning, get the developer's license on the device (it's free) and that's it!
It is fairly obvious why MS does not allow installation of "Desktop" apps on ARM tablets. Otherwise dev's would get lazy and just recompile desktop apps for ARM. The experience on a touch tablet would not be great on (unmodified) Desktop apps, hence Microsoft set this constraint on Windows RT in order to push dev's towards making a proper touch friendly app. The result is of course the lack of apps initially, but in the long run the benefits will be a greater experience as the apps would be optimized for touch.
Sure there are obvious downsides to this strategy, but the decision itself makes a lot of sense from a useability standpoint. You already read the complaints in reviews about "Office" not being Metro-style and unfriendly to touch. However this is naturally a decision due to time constraints, because MS would have also preferred to not include a desktop on RT. Office is the selling point now, to gravitate people towards RT and when there is enough demand, the touch friendly (Metro) apps will flow in eventually
Backflipping said:
I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
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Hmmm, sorry my bad, didn't look enougth to find .Net assemblies.
As for open it for MS, may be, maaaay be it's the same scheme which they followed with Windows Phone 7.
No native developpment for 7.0 -- 7.8
But they open it for 8.0
May be they just want to force people developp Metro app to populate the store first.
So where's the best place to get one?
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
Can't_Live_Without_My_Evo said:
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
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It is made for it. It has the full desktop, and the full desktop Office suite. Its a big tease. The whole "do more" campaign advertises you can "click in" and have full laptop productivity with touchpad and mouse/keyboard. Except the only software to take advantage of it is desktop IE and Office.
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I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
It's closed source from Microsoft and mono can give you a try the .net framework but not silvernight.
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8redd said:
Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
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That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
ziddey said:
That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
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HTML5 will be the new standard.
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
sefra3 said:
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
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Like a workaround - you can use RDP or VNC and use a "normal" computer for opening silverlight pages...
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I, too, am nneding Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
rayandreas said:
I, too, am needing Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
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acebeace had the best advice. Assuming you have access to a Windows PC, you can run the Silverlight app on the PC but use your tablet as a remote control: go to Google Play and search for "remote desktop". Note that there may be additional challenges if the PC and tablet aren't on the same local network; there are paid apps that handle this better. It's clear that Google is working towards their own version: see Chrome Remote Desktop.
If you don't have access to a Windows desktop, you might be able to find an online browser that supports Silverlight.
Finally, I've never tried this, but Onlive Desktop claims to have an Android app that connects to a virtual PC desktop in the cloud. Their browser was supposed to support Silverlight, but it's not clear if it actually does. Fortunately, there's a free trial.
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
venki5star said:
Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
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the more I use this Sony Xperia tablet the more I realise I should have purchased a pc......
Re-compiling Pipelight
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
Silverlight on android
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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amandus88 said:
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
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Pipelight uses Wine to run Silverlight on Linux based OSes. While there is some work being done to run Wine on Android, the binaries for Silverlight would still need to be rewritten for ARM. These aren't open source, I think it's way too simplistic to think those could be just "compiled" for ARM.
Unfortunately, I think we'll just have to wait until HTML5 completely supports DRM and the content providers make that switch. It's very irritating to see how they've chosen such a biased and proprietary system at the moment.
ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I need silverlight on my HTC one for my school timetable :/
Silverlight Android
Not in a position to try this at the moment but pls see:
http://gizmodo.com/5037919/skyfire-...icrosoft-silverlight-plus-100-more-beta-codes
and report back if it works.
Cheers
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight on Android
This has now become a mute subject for me. I have given up on the CNN app in favor of Xfinity's app which works great. Not only can I watch CNN, I can now watch pretty much anything that I get on my TV.
opera
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
lorvix said:
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
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they dont ~ or well at least sky go etc doesnt work
I like this phone. Feels good in my hand. Did the job fine with Froyo. When the GB update never came, rooted it and began a new hobby (obsession?). Now running a 4.4.4 Omnirom. Works mostly quite well. Doubtful if there will ever be Lollipop.
I do not need a quad-core screamer. This is a mobile phone and information device. I am not playing Grand Theft Auto on it, and if I spend time viewing my favorite flicks, there will be no battery left when I need to phone home. Wife will not be happy (unless here battery is also dead for similar reasons so will never know).
However, more and more apps will not run. Armv6 is definitely on the outs, even though some providers still sell such phones. Running old Maps version, Google Now does work, sideloaded, with an online-voicesearch-wrapper. Not bad, in all.
But maybe time to get a newer device. Or maybe another OS ...
Android was designed to be a Java-based Linux. Apps written would simply install and run on any hardware. No need to compile for that Atom or other chip. Simply played. The way it was supposed to be. (Gnu Linux depends on Gnu C and C++ compilers, and every distro needs to maintain app package variants for various HW architectures. Android was to be the alternative with one app store ...)
and then, devs started incorporating pre-compiled JNI (Java Native Interface) components. These are compiled (using the Gnu compilers?) for specific architectures. Read Armv7. Lets out our devices, Intels, etc. It is too much trouble to maintain multi-architecture apps this way. Armv6 is obviously obsolete, so goes by the wayside entirely. Most apps are not opensource even if I were to compile them myself.
This destroys the whole idea of Android and Google is the worst offender. How long till that shiny ridiculously priced flagship ends up like our device? How long to only 64 bit is supported (definitely need 64-bit on a ... phone!)? How long till Armv8, 9, .... Maybe time to forget about Android all together. Google is the prime offender.
Problem is that Windows and Ubuntu both need compiled Apps (though QML and HTML5 should be portable). Both do look good. Put in the Dalvik VM, just like Java gets installed on any distro, and made in the shade, can keep the more reasonable apps. Gnu tools should be available for Ubuntu.
Do not know whether this is the place for this tirade, but ... what say you?
Hi,
I'm looking for a new tablet the idea is to have a linux based environment as the main ui, usage will mostly be web browsing media playback and file management the occasional linux program.
why? short version I want a desktop touch experience somewhat similar to what I get out of my windows 8 tablet but without the Microsoft part.
one method I have seen seems to be the chroot ubunto running on top on android and I was wondering if anyone could help with a few questions please?
1/is it possible to use without needing VNC? (not a fan of having to vnc into the local desktop)
2/any performance hits running a linux system on top of an android one? (other than vnc)
3/its running on top of android so it should have full hardware support with any device right? it isn't going to use the touch screen as a track pad right?
4/recommend any devices I might have luck with? looking around maybe $70ish price range with supported rooting/modding.
5/is it actually there? I mean does it work? Im going to assume if it could be done people (someone at least) would be doing it already ?
thanks
~SandG
*edited*
after many days *cough* 10 minute sections where I had nothing better todo* I messed around and finally got the x server working.
it isn't accelerated (and stopped working after I tried to change base distro)
the x wrapper felt slower than VNC.
the dpi is kind of messed up the UI isn't made for it.
the touch screen works like a track pad (urg)
the keyboard erm where is the keyboard? (don't answer that)
for some reason they went and put this really neat tilt thing that moves the mouse around but lacks other things(acceleration?)
I could maybe pass as a really slow desktop if it were hooked upto a usb hub keyboard mouse and hd screen.
I still think it is an amazing feat it just isn't there. it is not usable for day to day tasks, install it for fun with vnc to show your friends you have "linux" installed on your tablet/phone, use it to run scripts / tools on the go you wouldn't normally have access to but that's about the extent to its usefulness, you aren't going to be playing games in it, doing heavy browsing streaming video or even playing sound.
tldr I got no feedback from anyone with experience but from what I gather it isn't going to replace android os on your tablet.
guess I will probably look for a tablet that runs linux native or suck it up and get a vanilla droid tablet and forget about switching out the UI/OS this way