[Q] Can anyone answer this? - Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am coming from Evo 4G & early on there was a problem with clockwork recovery & wimax & a lot of people lost their RSA keys because of clockwork. I am just wondering if I risk losing my RSA keys if I restore to my nandroid of my rooted stock Rom. Is 4G different on the NS4G then on Evo? I am scared to restore, but I really want to until CM7 is more polished for the NS4G.
If you don't know the answer please tell me if you have restored a nandroid using Clockwork recovery on the NS4G and then connected to 4G afterward. This would ease my mind before restoring. I guess I could just flash a stock rooted Rom and wait for the AmonRA port to be finished.
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Please answer if you know or if you have restored without losing 4G. Thanks in advance.

housry23 said:
Please answer if you know or if you have restored without losing 4G. Thanks in advance.
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i have done many cwm restores and my 4g still works. i dont know anything about rsa keys, but mine is still working.

I do not know the answer to your question because I have the T-Mobile version but I used to have an Evo on Sprint so I am familiar with backing up WiMax being necessary due to RSA Keys stored in the WiMax image.
This thread should let you make a standalone WiMax img backup:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074584&highlight=wimax
The resulting image you can keep and can be flashed to your WiMax partition in case anything ever goes wrong in that regard.

Thanks matt2053. Went to thread and made a backup. This is exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated. I am sure Clockwork has fixed this issue, but I always like to be on the safe side.

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[REQUEST] Need Help Fixing Clockwork Recovery

I've seen a couple threads that Clockwork is wiping Wimax on newer phones or hboot? Can someone please explain the problem to me so I can fix it and Unrevoked works again?
Koush said:
I've seen a couple threads that Clockwork is wiping Wimax on newer phones or hboot? Can someone please explain the problem to me so I can fix it and Unrevoked works again?
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Hi Koush, I'm sure someone else can chime in on the specifics of unrevoked with the new hboot.. as far as I know unrevoked just doesn't work on hboot 2.02 yet.
As a slight aside if you're going to be updating CWM, the two main issues with clockwork right now IMO are:
1) Wimax partition is not backed up when you do a nandroid
2) Seems to be some inconsistencies with wiping dalvik and possible cache
Hope those things can be fixed so that we can go back to using CWM!
I also noticed yesterday that CWR says signatures are invalid that ARR verifies without any trouble.
posguy99 said:
I also noticed yesterday that CWR says signatures are invalid that ARR verifies without any trouble.
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You can turn off signature checking in CWR. ARR is using the old Cupcake/Donut sig checking which has a few security bugs in it.
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I have had the problem, I am not able to use 4g any more since last update I did with Clockworkmod.
Let me know what you would like me to do to help you out.
The only changes I need done to Clockwork recovery is to get some sort of confirmation with wiping dalvik cache and battery stat.
I like Clockwork the way it is as far as not touching with Wimax at all. I have more problem with 4g connecting when restoring nandroid with other recovery that suppose to backup wimax partition.
I have never had a problem with my 4G once I go back to Clockwork recovery. Easy way for me to fixed my 4G again was to repeat Toast method number 2 and just use Clockwork recovery that don't touch the wimax.
Koush said:
I've seen a couple threads that Clockwork is wiping Wimax on newer phones or hboot? Can someone please explain the problem to me so I can fix it and Unrevoked works again?
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Koush....
As one of the devs that actully helped find the issues I will point you to the thread that discusses the problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=843342
However it will not fix unrevoked not working on the new evos. But It would be nice to have recovery options again.
thanks for your help...
Another issue is apparently that the wimax secure keys are not backed up in the CW nandroid. So if something goes awry you cannot restore them. Apparently the alternative recovery does backup the keys.
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Koush said:
I've seen a couple threads that Clockwork is wiping Wimax on newer phones or hboot? Can someone please explain the problem to me so I can fix it and Unrevoked works again?
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Anything in the works? Just curious...
Koush - this isn't related to the 4G - but it's been an ongoing problem that we have with wiping dalvik and cache. I have physically checked via ADB after choosing to wipe dalvik (/data/dalvik-cache) and it's still there. After a few times of wiping it finally works.
The issue seems to be that with new hboots (2.02/2.10) on the Evo that partition information has changed.
I'm still running cwm though and for me it's OK, I'm on hw v003, hboot 2.10 - I think the issue might be with 004 models.
thefredelement said:
The issue seems to be that with new hboots (2.02/2.10) on the Evo that partition information has changed.
I'm still running cwm though and for me it's OK, I'm on hw v003, hboot 2.10 - I think the issue might be with 004 models.
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+1 it is the partitions, not all new phones come with the new partition set up though. The new hboots are backward compatible but you can't use the new phones with the old hboots.
Swapping out the kernel with the new recoveries kernel should do the trick (i think)
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Miss using CWM, so I'm hoping this gets resolved soon!
http://pastebin.chiznillen.net//view.php?id=19
Koush that's from my hboot 2.10 Evo.
This is from a .97 hboot:
http://pastebin.chiznillen.net//view.php?id=20
Cheers.
Here's a post with partition info from newer Evos (late hardware version 003 and 004 that came with hboot 2.02+)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883636
I've not run into the cache wiping issues but then I have an older EVO so I may just be hardware blessed.
The only concern for me is the 4G RSA keys. I like that generally it's not touched, but an advanced option for the occasional backup would be very welcome (especially with a beta WIMAX in CM6 just around the corner).
Justin.G11 said:
I've not run into the cache wiping issues but then I have an older EVO so I may just be hardware blessed.
The only concern for me is the 4G RSA keys. I like that generally it's not touched, but an advanced option for the occasional backup would be very welcome (especially with a beta WIMAX in CM6 just around the corner).
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for this I hopped over to RA and just did a nandroid and saved the wimax image on my computer then gmailed it to myself.
thefredelement said:
for this I hopped over to RA and just did a nandroid and saved the wimax image on my computer then gmailed it to myself.
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Smart option!!
although adding it to clockwork would still be awesome.
leenypost said:
Smart option!!
although adding it to clockwork would still be awesome.
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I agree, I think primarily though cwm has to be setup for the new partitions on 003/004 phones that shipped with hboot 2.02+.

Coming from Captivate, flashing questions

Sorry if this should be in a different thread. Not trying to get flamed. So I am coming from a captivate and am just wondering how is flashing stuff on the inspire different from the captivate? Typically most of my flashing was just done thru CWM on the captivate itself or thru ODIN. I know ODIN doesnt exist for the inspire, but what differences can I expect coming into? how do I get to recovery or download? Any answers on how the flashing experience is different would be much appreciated
Once you've rooted it's pretty much the same as captivate install rom manager and install Rom with cwm recovery. There isn't a need to flash back to stock. Just clear data and cache.
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yup, clockwork mod makes life a hell of a lot easier.
And this restore a heck of a lot better than the captivate did. I don't even use titanium backup anymore. All my txt messages and apps automatically restores including wallpaper
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Thanks guys, my only question is how to get CWM on this phone after root. Im assuming its thru a kernel?
same way you do it on the captivate get rom manager from the market. Install CWM Recovery.
There's no need for special recoveries like on the captivate as there's no lagfix craziness to deal with. HTC uses Android/Linux standard file systems
gunnyman said:
same way you do it on the captivate get rom manager from the market. Install CWM Recovery.
There's no need for special recoveries like on the captivate as there's no lagfix craziness to deal with. HTC uses Android/Linux standard file systems
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Lol, kinda forgot thats all that needed to be done to get CWM. Too much stress with the captivate.
Yeah I had to retrain my brain as well.
p4ranoid4ndroid said:
Lol, kinda forgot thats all that needed to be done to get CWM. Too much stress with the captivate.
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Totally agree, ill never get samsung again. I would probably flash a different rom on my captivate every other day to find out which one had what bugs and what didnt work correctly, lol. The Inspire is a lot harder to root then the captivate, but is well worth it when you do, for one roms are higher quality and all 100% working, even cm7 rc1. There is no download mode for inspire, you can manually boot into bootloader mode and from there you can enter CWM Recovery.
So i looked at the HTC hack kit, are there any better instructions for rooting? just didnt see anything laid out in that thread.
Another question for yall: On the captivate when wifi was active the 3g symbol would disappear. This doesnt happen on my inspire. Does that mean hspa is still running while im connected to wifi? Battery drain is my issue with this
there's a readme in the hack kit. Very easy to follow
There is youtube two part video walkthrough, thats what i used. I learn easier if i can see it happening.
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On the vibrant (captivate) a bad kernel or Rom could mean boot loop and no hope of getting into clockwork and we would have to use odin. This doesn't happen on the inspire?
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.
ive had boot loop happen twice so far and both times i manually went into boot loader and went to CWM recovery and wiped data and reflashed then everything was fine. The one time i reflashed and still got boot loop i just restored back up and then flashed and was good to go. I made a backup right after i rooted so i wouldnt have to do it again, i suggest you do the same just to be safe.
bkeaver said:
And this restore a heck of a lot better than the captivate did. I don't even use titanium backup anymore. All my txt messages and apps automatically restores including wallpaper
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Not to hijack, but what do you mean? How do you restore all your apps etc without titanium?
Corriewf said:
Not to hijack, but what do you mean? How do you restore all your apps etc without titanium?
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lol dont mind the hijacking. the more questions asked the better.
the market auto restores your apps when you sign in with your google account, i cant really explain how it does this, but it sure is nice.
when you check back up my settings when you sign into google for teh first time, it starts keeping a list of market apps you've installed and restores them if you do a factory reset. doesn't seem to catch all of mine all the time though.
still have some questions regarding Flash
I read the rooting thread as well as saw the video, what I could understand is that in captivate we were rooting and then upgrading the ROM.
But here we are rooting and the downgrading.. Are we loosing any functionality? Its little difficult to understand..
can someone pls help?
You are actually downgrading the ROM then rooting THAT. After you have root, and have clockwork mod recovery installed you can install any rooted rom you like. There are a few to choose from in the Dev section.
The current Android release on the Inspire hasn't been "cracked" yet so you need to downgrade to get root.

NS4G Clockwork recovery not backing up 4G keys

I don't normally like to post in development but I thought this needs some attention. I thought that I read that clockwork recovery was not backing up the 4G keys when doing a nand. If this is true flashing custom roms can be a bit risky because if you have a problem and loosed your keys you are screwed = no more 4g.
This was a problem for a long time on the evo with clockwork recovery many people flashed roms, would have some issue and would loose their 4g keys. Than they would flash back to a nand backup only to find out that clockwork had not backed up the keys in the nandroid. I also check my nand backup I was not able to find my wimax keys and this can be a big problem if you like using 4G.
This is what I have seen I could be incorrect but I don't think I am. Is there a way to have clockwork create a recovery specifically for the NS4G that would address this?
First of all, you are probably not running the right recovery. Secondly, the right recovery does not work at this time lol (broken keymaps). I spoke to Koush tonight and he is fixing the Nexus S 4G recovery, it should be done by tomorrow. If you are running the crespo recovery that is for the regular Nexus S, he will release one that has crespo4g in the filename, that is the one you need. After he releases that it may backup what you speak of. As of now there is no official Nexus S 4G recovery.
well actually there is. just the keymaps are broken
shabbypenguin said:
well actually there is. just the keymaps are broken
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Exactly. Check here for the latest one: http://mirror.sea.tdrevolution.net/cm/recoveries/
* The one dated May 12th is the broken one.
yea i made the mistake of flashing it and quickly found out that it wasnt a good idea
shabbypenguin said:
yea i made the mistake of flashing it and quickly found out that it wasnt a good idea
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Did the same lol. He doesnt have one to test it on so we were the guinea pigs.

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This is why I hate 1 click methods. Best way would be to find your stock rom and flash the partitions through fastboot
This should get you going...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1061855
You could also use Odin to restore phone back to stock.
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That one is bad ! Seen few people flashing 4G rom bundle on their NS, and haven't seen anyone fixing frequencies problem . Apparently 4G bundles change something that wipe/format can't fix.
Hope there's some manual fix, because more and more people reporting this problem. Someone with dev experience should know where to look, i guess...
The freq fix may be achieved by deleting three files in the efs folder, but you must be very careful. Follow method 2 in the radio thread in the dev section. Make a backup first.
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bedalus said:
The freq fix may be achieved by deleting three files in the efs folder, but you must be very careful. Follow method 2 in the radio thread in the dev section. Make a backup first.
Sent from the future to put right what once went wrong.
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He would need to get back on the correct rom/radio for his phone........before trying your suggestion
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xnaquada said:
First of all, thank you so much for replying to my post and the help.
A quick Q:
Will trying this thru CWM will fail b/c my phone at the moment thinks its a NS4G when its a NS. (I haven't tried it out of fear of bricking). I ask because I notice CWM will be removed on reboot thus taking away a "safety net" of sorts.
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It may fail. That's why I recommended flashing the individual partitions via fastboot.
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can I restore nandroid on a new phone?

I'm trying to get a replacement of my GS3 tomorrow since the GPS is acting weird. I backed up apps and system data using TiBu and also made a nandroid when I was still on root66. Then I odin'ed back to stock and did factory reset (by the way, that did get rid of the unlocked padlock //relief) so I'm good to go.
The question is, once I get the new phone and odin root66, can I restore the nandroid on the new phone? If not, can I restore any system data from TiBu?
I did search this in the forums and saw a few similar questions. but 2 posts said no and 1 said yes. so I'm confused.
simollie said:
I'm trying to get a replacement of my GS3 tomorrow since the GPS is acting weird. I backed up apps and system data using TiBu and also made a nandroid when I was still on root66. Then I odin'ed back to stock and did factory reset (by the way, that did get rid of the unlocked padlock //relief) so I'm good to go.
The question is, once I get the new phone and odin root66, can I restore the nandroid on the new phone? If not, can I restore any system data from TiBu?
I did search this in the forums and saw a few similar questions. but 2 posts said no and 1 said yes. so I'm confused.
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yes you can restore your old nandroid on the new phone..
Smok3d said:
yes you can restore your old nandroid on the new phone..
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But depending on the recovery you are using you may need to put it in the correct id folder. I know amon RA uses specific id labled folders for each device (even the same model).
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Smok3d said:
yes you can restore your old nandroid on the new phone..
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Yes, you can do it (I've done it) but it's not really a great idea.
You are much much better off to spend the time & reinstall everything fresh.
I thought I read somewhere recently that because backups capture phone specific data on Samsung models that you are unable to move a backup from one phone to another without overwriting some valuable individual phone information. I've done it across multiple other model phones and tablets but hear it is Samsung specifically that has issues.
Someone with prior knowledge and/or links to discussion please chime in.
Thanks everyone. I'll err on the safe side and setup everything from scratch.

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