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Can I use Touch Pro on verizon without data plan

Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Sprint Touch Pro on Verizon WITHOUT activating a data plan? I found directions on how to hack the phone to work on Verizon, but would just like to use Wifi instead of the $30 data plan. Thank you.

martyxng said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to use a Sprint Touch Pro on Verizon WITHOUT activating a data plan? I found directions on how to hack the phone to work on Verizon, but would just like to use Wifi instead of the $30 data plan. Thank you.
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call verizon and ask if they will even add your meid to their database.

I talked to Verizon a while back and they insisted up and down that there was no way to add a smartphone manufactured after November 08 without a data plan. I didn't ask anything about phones from other providers so as not to arouse any suspicion.

Basically you just have to call in and see if you could trick them into activating the phone on their service. The IMEI gives the make and model of the phone away though, but perhaps they won't check.

That's a bit of a gamble to buy the phone not knowing if it will work. Going through a person instead of the site will probably get better results though! Hopefully someone here who has done this successfully will chime in

Thunderbolt and ALL future 4G VZW devices require a UICC SIM card.

Thunderbolt and ALL future 4G VZW devices require a SIM card inserted into them for authentication. I just posted this on VZW forums because someone asked so here's a re-post for the HoFo members.
The SIM card is required for ALL 4G devices even when in CDMA only mode. See this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removab...dentity_Module
VZ is adopting SIM-technology for all 4G and beyond future releases for ease of use because you can switch your account profile from phone to phone as long as it's a VZW 4G device and it will seamlessly work. No more calling support, you just swap the SIM card. No more *228 except for PRL updates but that in theory should be done automatically too in the future.
If you really want to know what's in the Thunderbolt here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UICC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA_Su...dentify_Module
The Verizon 4G LTE SIM cards have 3 components in them (3 modules that are transparent to the end-user):
1. CSIM: Authentication to the CDMA 1X voice/data and CDMA EvDO rA data 3G network.
2. USIM/ISIM/USAT/ISIM: USIM is used for LTE/GSM/UMTS/HSPA data authentication. The last 3 are for roaming.
1. USIM is also used for native direct Verizon SIM card roaming when abroad (outside of the US) as long as the device hardware has the processing (baseband) and antennas to have the overseas bands.
2. ISIM is used for IMS (IP Multimedia Subsystem) authentication. Basically in the future Verizon wants to do VoLTE and move voice into IP (VoIP). This allows for ALL-IP simplified network management. Also device management and stuff that makes the device automatically work when it connects to ANY network in the world /w VZW roaming agreement (aka SMS/MMS).
3. USAT: Application toolkit for the SIM card. If you're not a developer forget about it.
4. ISIM (Intelligent SIM): One of the functions/applications is remote modular address book movement. (Only up to 256K). So if your address book contains up to 256K you can move it onto the SIM card and move your address book seamlessly transparently to the end user between any VZW device. There are other functions that only the engineer would understand.
"The application has been ported to the UICC (Universal Integrated Circuit Card), so that a card with CSIM, SIM, and USIM can operate with all cellular networks worldwide."
Get it? One phone, one network, 6 continents, every-where on planet-earth! Ah don't you just love technology? >.<
Also countering AT&T's stupid advertising the Thunderbolt will be able to do simultaneous voice and data like all AT&T 3G phones when in an upgraded area.
**Upgraded area=Area where Verizon has done network infrastructure upgrades to allow simultaneous voice and data on both CDMA and LTE. You will have simulaeous voice and data in ALL areas covered by LTE in which the data will be on LTE and the voice will be on CDMA 1X currently. In areas without LTE coverage that have been upgraded even the old native CDMA 1X/EvDO rA network will be able to do simulaeous voice and data (not all complete, in LTE areas yes, in non-LTE areas where they will get LTE yes by 2012). Basicall if you're in a metro area you will have simulaeous voice & data on ALL Verizon technologies, and then expand from there to the rural areas for the entire country by 2012.
Now with that said and done, VZ counters EVERY SINGLE CLAIM made by AT&T marketing in which VZ:
1. Support every function that AT&T does but does it EVEN BETTER
2. The superior VZW network in which VZW has invested billions of $$$ in.
These days it's not a technology limitation, it's the amount of $$$ you want to invest. Everything is possible, it just costs $. Heh.

thanks for the info...very informative

Stinks, I wanted to use this phone over seas too, I thought the SIM card thing was universal but ah well.

Not a surprise at all considering LTE is based on GSM, but nice job supplying details.

Would one be able to use a Thunderbolt SIM card in a laptop that was so equipped so that one only needed one data plan?
A Verizon sales rep I spoke with said no, it will not be possible, but you never know whether to believe what a sales rep says.

Robertus said:
Would one be able to use a Thunderbolt SIM card in a laptop that was so equipped so that one only needed one data plan?
A Verizon sales rep I spoke with said no, it will not be possible, but you never know whether to believe what a sales rep says.
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Almost certainly not, at least until they start making laptops with LTE radios. Or preferrably, a combined EVDO/LTE radio compatible with Verizon's SIM for CDMA scheme. No telling how long that will take, though.

Robertus, yes if you get a 4G USB stick like the UML290.

FCC is here:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...=N&application_id=579333&fcc_id=\'NM8PG05100\
Looks like part of the delay is the updated RF testing for the SVDO and SVLTE support! w00t!

willzzz88 said:
Looks like part of the delay is the updated RF testing for the SVDO and SVLTE support! w00t!
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This is a HUGE plus for vzw network, as from this point on with all the 4G devices they are becoming on of the worlds most modern providers in the world.
Thank you as always for your great info willzzz!

The old native EVDO Rev. A is not capable of doing voice and data, and SVDO is a software feature, not hardware. Verizon is upgrading to CDMA 1X Advanced, in order for SVDO to work. Voice over LTE was tested with this phone, but it weren't as successful as the LG 4G device. The tentative date for this device was changed 3 times, with the iphone being the main reason for the delay. Verizon doesn't know what their LTE data surcharge should be, or if they should go free for a limited time. I'll find out later at work as to what's with their reasoning for the delay now.

After reading that I'm still not sure... so will the thunderbolt be global or not?

I'm about to get Thunderbolt, and through my company we get very nice discounts on vzw plans. Once I get unlimited data on thunderbolt you are positive that by swapping SIM's with UML290 they won't automatically change my plan to data card plans?
That's what I'm worried the most. Also, the other day when I tried to buy UML290 outright, they didn't really wanna sell me unless i sign a contract or month-to-month, which means credit check etc... Is this required? I just want to pay for UML290 full price $250, and leave the store, they obviously don't make it easy.

milan03 said:
Also, the other day when I tried to buy UML290 outright, they didn't really wanna sell me unless i sign a contract or month-to-month, which means credit check etc... Is this required? I just want to pay for UML290 full price $250, and leave the store, they obviously don't make it easy.
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They wouldn't let me do that at a corporate store for my Droid X the other month either. I just went to a reseller and bought it outright. You can probably buy the device from a Verizon authorized dealer without signing up for anything.

Device Hopping with 4GLTE SIM

So as I await my call from BB for my pre-ordered T-bolt my mind was thinking, would it be possible to take the 4GLTE Sim card from my new T-bolt and throw it in my Xoom, see where i am going with this....so although i don't have service on my Xoom and only use wifi, theoretically this should work but i won't know until i try. I did find this bit of info in the T-Bolt Manual....
"The 4G SIM card provided to you by Verizon Wireless contains your phone number, service details, and phonebook/message memory. It enables you to make calls and access the Internet using a 4G LTE network. While you’re abroad, you could also connect to a CDMA network.
The Verizon Wireless 4G SIM card is compatible with any Verizon Wireless 4G certified device. You can move the 4G SIM card from one device to another and your wireless service will work seamlessly as long as you have a compatible device and service plan. To see which devices are compatible with the Verizon Wireless 4G SIM card, visit verizonwireless.com/certifieddevice."

I was thinking the same thing exactly. Obviously we will have to wait until we get our Xooms upgraded, as there is no 4g hardware in there to currently take advantage of the sim card, but since right now LTE is only used for data, I don't see why this wouldn't work. Only time (and upgraded Xooms) will tell.

This would be fantastic.

sounds like it would be possible.
try it

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work. Verizon needs the IMEI number to activate data on the device. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't activate IMEI's for the Thunderbolt.

Not necessarily. When the SIM is loaded into the device the MEID is sent to the system and if the MEID isn't compatible with the plan, either it will make you change your plan (somehow) or it will just not work. I'm pretty sure T-Mobile and AT&T used methods like this to keep you from just taking your SIM from a feature phone with a $10 unlimited data plan to a smartphone, thus blocking your data till you switched to the smartphone data plan. Or avoid customers putting their SIM's in their tablets/mobile broadband devices (which require a mobile broadband plan) and expecting to still have unlimited data for $29.99 just for forfeiting their minutes.

My Thunderbolt 4G SIM with the hotspot feature and unlimited data works great in the 4G MiFi from Verizon. Just pulled it from the phone, plopped it in the MiFi and it worked.

bogatyr said:
My Thunderbolt 4G SIM with the hotspot feature and unlimited data works great in the 4G MiFi from Verizon. Just pulled it from the phone, plopped it in the MiFi and it worked.
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+1 I can confirm this works. I have the Samsung LTE Mifi and my Bolt and my SIM can walk from one to the other.

I don't remember where I read it (I think it was on these forums) but I believe some guy did what you guys are saying.
He said that it worked, but that he was slapped with a huge overage charge or something like that.
I wish I could remember the thread.

Dnakaman said:
I don't remember where I read it (I think it was on these forums) but I believe some guy did what you guys are saying.
He said that it worked, but that he was slapped with a huge overage charge or something like that.
I wish I could remember the thread.
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Can't really have an overage when you have unlimited on the SIM unless they changed your account features. If they did that to me, I'd probably drop them. The Mifi is more reliable than my TB for hotspot, and I'm paying for it so which device I use shouldn't matter.

bogatyr said:
Can't really have an overage when you have unlimited on the SIM unless they changed your account features. If they did that to me, I'd probably drop them. The Mifi is more reliable than my TB for hotspot, and I'm paying for it so which device I use shouldn't matter.
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I think that was his exact reasoning. He had unlimited data on his phone sim, but it into the mifi (or something like that), ended up being charged as mifi device after so many GB's.
Let me see if I can remember some key words to search against in these forums.
EDIT: Ok found the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019186&highlight=lte+card

Dnakaman said:
I think that was his exact reasoning. He had unlimited data on his phone sim, but it into the mifi (or something like that), ended up being charged as mifi device after so many GB's.
Let me see if I can remember some key words to search against in these forums.
EDIT: Ok found the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019186&highlight=lte+card
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That's because a rep looked at it and instead of listening to the guy thought it was a glitch and switched his plan out of the unlimited deal. He then put it back in his Thunderbolt and called Verizon and they fixed it - no overages and restored his grandfathered unlimited plan.
Verizon says in their ads that you can move your SIM among any Verizon 4G LTE certified device.
Also there is no difference in if you use the hotspot on your phone or the MiFi, you're not stealing anything if you have the hotspot plan on your phone. The MiFi doesn't offer anything more than you get on your TB using their hotspot app already. You're just using a better device until they fix the TB data connection problems.

Am I able to use Atrix 4G in AT&T network without any data plan?

I am a AT&T prepaid user. Can I use the Atrix 4G in it without data plan? I only use Wi-Fi which is much faster.
The AT&T shop assistant man told me that I will not be able to use it if I do not open any date plan. If I am a prepaid user I can not use the phone; If I am a postpaid user I will be notified to add a data plan after I insert the SIM card into the Atrix 4G which is a smartphone.
Currently I also use a smartphone in AT&T network and does not commit any data plan. The phone works great. The shop assistant said the reason is that Atrix 4G is a AT&T phone and will be recognized by AT&T and force to open a data plan.
I do not know whether I should believe him for may be he is just trying to sell me more expensive plans. Is it technically possible to ban prepaid users? Is there any way to avoid this restriction? Since the Atrix 4G smartphone is bought in full price and unlocked, I do not owe AT&T anything. It works in T-Mobile, but does not works in AT&T prepaid, which seems very rediculous.

You may use any phone smartphone that its not ATT branded.
But if the phone is a ATT branded they do detect it using the imei and force you to add the expensive data plan. You may run a few months without been detected, but sooner or later they find out and force you to change plan.
I know this for fact because a used to use a Xperia X1 that came unlock from other carrier on ATT, and they never force me to change plan, but as soon as I started using an Iphone on the network a few weeks later I got a txt msg telling me they detected a smartphone without data plan, and automatically added the data plan.

You can modify in Setting-->Wireless&network-->mobile network-->Access point name. After that, you can set user name, add, pass follow your mobile's network service. Good luck.

have beeen using a atrix since march and have had a iphone since 2g on att using my sim with no data plan. just put the sim in and off you go almost 5 yrs now, and no forced data plan.

[Q] If I unlock G2x for ATT, can I simply use an ATT sim card?

Ok so I know I'm a noob when it comes to some things on here, but I think this is a legitimate question so bare with me.
Basically, I have to move back home to Trenton, FL because of personal family issues. The problem is that I get absolutely NO service from T-Mobile over there. (It's horrible) I have a rooted and unlocked G2x for T-Mobile/ATT. My question is; can I simply purchase an ATT sim card and use their network back home without having to shut off my T-Mobile account and switch to ATT? From what I've researched, I'm pretty sure it's possible to "Borrow" service from ATT's towers over there with an unlocked T-Mobile phone and a data plan, but I'm not 100% sure. It's not a huge deal, but I'd like to know the answer before I actually move. Thanks!
Can someone please give me an accurate answer?

In short, no. If you want to use Att's cell towers but have a tmo subscription that would be considered roaming. If you had an att SIM you'd have to have service from them, it wouldn't be service from tmo. You could get some sort of roaming plan (I think) from tmo that would allow you access to the att towers.

I appreciate the help, but I'm pretty sure I have roaming from T-mobile. At least, I think I do, cause I think I've roamed before cause I've seen the symbols E and G on my service bar before. Hopefully this is good news! So I guess I'll just have to ask T-Mobile and see what's up.

The t-Mobile rep told me that wherever there is no tmo service you will piggy back on att's network for free. I've done it with both att and cellular one.
Call them and ask to be sure. But you shouldn't need to get a new att sim.
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Wouldn't bother calling about this...
1) To roam onto AT&T's network, they would have to have a roaming agreement in place. They only pay for roaming agreements in areas where A) They realllly realllly need to have coverage, and B) They don't already have coverage. If T-Mobile already has coverage in an area, they won't pay for an AT&T Roaming agreement. Even if it is bad coverage.
2) If you put an AT&T Sim in the an unlocked phone, then it will have nothing to do with T-Mobile while the AT&T Sim is in there... that is, as said above, you would need to have a service plan with AT&T and as such a new phone number, bill, etc...
3) You can't add a special roaming plan. They don't exist. You get all the roaming that's available already. Now, if you go OVERSEAS that's different - you have to call to add INTERNATIONAL roaming, but that's done so you don't get charged for international roaming without having been warned first. But for within the US, no, you can't get additional roaming on your T-Mobile plan...
The sad thing is, Roaming used to be a lot more common. Wireless services have gotten so competitive, however, that many of those old roaming agreements are dead and gone. Nobody's willing to share their networks any more.

If you bought an AT&T SIM and use that in the G2x, then you would simply be an AT&T customer, except I don't think G2x supports AT&T's 3g band, so you'll just have EDGE.
If T-Mobile doesn't have coverage where you're going, you can call them and terminate your service with T-Mobile, provided that you have proof that you moved there, and T-Mobile has zero coverage in the town you moved to. Otherwise, either keep your TMO account alive, or you have to pay a contract termination fee.

Damn guys I'm glad you told me all of this, especially the part about proving where I'm moving. That's awesome, now I don't have to pay two cell phone bills. Hells yes.