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LOL @ SGS2 owners

So I have been inspecting their forums since they went on sale in the UK today via Phones4u.
They are having tons of trouble rooting and they can't play Tegra 2 games.
Quadrant scores are around 3000.

Maybe unlocked bootloaders will come back, but this is the exact reason I bought the G2X. I imagine a powerful, open device will get a lot of developer support.

You have a source for the "locked bootloader" info?

The battery life seems to destroy the G2x battery life, from initial reviews that I have seen.
Also the Samoled+ display looks amazing and blacks are truly black hehe.
Here's a link to a nice review of the phone
http://www.jrin.net/2011_04_24/samsung-galaxy-s-2-in-depth-review
All in all it seems to be a solid phone, but I still love my G2x
Edit: I love it because of the developer support it will have, the screen isn't that bad I really love the colors and the brightness, and tegra 2 of course, there's plenty of +'s for the G2x as there is for the GS2

so when does this hit the US?
my g2x is troubling with the battery, bleed, reboot issue

diablos991 said:
So I have been inspecting their forums since they went on sale in the UK today via Phones4u.
They are having tons of trouble rooting and they can't play Tegra 2 games.
Quadrant scores are around 3000.
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Lol the point of this thread?
The phone hasn't even been officially out for a day
Of couse it wont play tegra games it needs a tegra gpu for that.
And quadrant is total BSnot to mention sgs2 is clocked at 1.2ghz were gx2 is only 1ghz
Sgs2 is better than g2x in hardware not to mention plays pretty much every video format no prob
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I don't think they can play tegra2 games because the euro one comes with a exynos processor or some reason to that affect. But whatever, thats just one downfall of that beast of a phone. Lets hope Sammy has fixed the GPS and lag issues right outta the gate. Secondly, they just released the phone so I assume its going to take a little time to get the phone rooted. I was about to go and buy the G2x but it wasn't that impressive when i was at the store so now I'm impatiently waiting for the Sensation and GS2.
Hopefully by the time the GS2 releases, the G2x will have all its bugs fixed and I can compare all 3 at once to see which one I like the best.

I guess Mali in Exynos is another new platform for developers to learn to make games for.

I can't imagine the gs2 havning better battery life. It has the same size as the original galaxy s. With dual core and a bigger screen I'm sure it sucks the battery down. Not to mention what a battery hog amoleds are....I get great life on my gx2. Right about 20 hrs with normal use
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Smallsmx3 said:
Not to mention what a battery hog amoleds are....I get great life on my gx2. Right about 20 hrs with normal use
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Please tell that to all the people who are losing 10%+ every hour while the phone is idling...
My G2 with its 1300mAh gave me much much better battery life than my G2x currently does, but I just know that this is software related and hopefully (fingers crossed) CM7 will fix this.
Its my only gripe right now with the phone, that and the bleeding, but I plan to change my phone out at a later date for a new one, $500 outright for the phone I expect it to act like one.

I'm about to go in for exchange #1
These issues for 550 after tax is ridiculous imo
What ever happened to QA, on expensive electronics
How do I remove CWM by the way???

Amd4life said:
I'm about to go in for exchange #1
These issues for 550 after tax is ridiculous imo
What ever happened to QA, on expensive electronics
How do I remove CWM by the way???
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050768

I'm pretty sure the Galaxy S2 already has been rooted and the bootloader comes unlocked. And for tegra games, it has a mali gpu, not a ULP so of course it will not play them.
Sounds like someone is jealous of the SGS2 specs.

Evofusion said:
Please tell that to all the people who are losing 10%+ every hour while the phone is idling...
My G2 with its 1300mAh gave me much much better battery life than my G2x currently does, but I just know that this is software related and hopefully (fingers crossed) CM7 will fix this.
Its my only gripe right now with the phone, that and the bleeding, but I plan to change my phone out at a later date for a new one, $500 outright for the phone I expect it to act like one.
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Well the CM team already said the battery driver was haywire. My chinese android tablet was like that, it would say it was at 15% within minutes, but would run for like 4-5hours.
CM7 is almost among us and hopefully you guys will get a more accurate reading. My battery life is amazing. Heavy use and I get a 20% warning around midnight (8am-midnight). This is also under the assumption that you know the phone is new and I can't put it down. This is with a PUSH exchange, Gmail, Facebook/Twitter LP widgets, gaming, and normal phone use.
Of everything, the battery is the last thing I can complain about.
Comparing the phones here are things I don't like:
No HDMI port (separate attachment)
Lack of a dedicated Search button (I use this religiously)
No Tegra 2 which I suspect will be really big when it comes to gaming.
Those are just a few things I notice hardware wise. Software wise I don't know.
The locked bootloader is a drag. Rooting shouldn't be a problem as we've had rooting capabilities on the N1. I'm sure just like with our G2x phones, it should use the same exploits.

player911 said:
Well the CM team already said the battery driver was haywire. My chinese android tablet was like that, it would say it was at 15% within minutes, but would run for like 4-5hours.
CM7 is almost among us and hopefully you guys will get a more accurate reading. My battery life is amazing. Heavy use and I get a 20% warning around midnight (8am-midnight). This is also under the assumption that you know the phone is new and I can't put it down. This is with a PUSH exchange, Gmail, Facebook/Twitter LP widgets, gaming, and normal phone use.
Of everything, the battery is the last thing I can complain about.
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Even if the battery driver is wonky, it still is lasting only 9 hours for me, in real world time. It's fully charged because I leave it charging all night when I go to bed. So from full charge, no matter what the reading says, to dying and shutting down after 9 or 10 hours is real.

Looks like the SGSII people are happy so far. Dunno what you're LOLing at.
I'm just happy P990/999 is cheaper =)

I'm not sure what is being done differently. Have you tested it on a bare bones stock config (right out of format and setup)?
The is one thing that I think is so weird how there are lots of varying problems across the board. Like some people have greyed out options while others have bad battery life.
Here are my About Phone info. Maybe we have varying software loads:
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M6600A-SCAUTNZ-2.0.9720T 1 [MAR 27 2011 10:00:00] MP:TRULGE_08.09.02R_MDM
Kernel: 2.6.32.9
Build: FRG83G
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LG-P999-V10f

Evofusion said:
Please tell that to all the people who are losing 10%+ every hour while the phone is idling...
My G2 with its 1300mAh gave me much much better battery life than my G2x currently does, but I just know that this is software related and hopefully (fingers crossed) CM7 will fix this.
Its my only gripe right now with the phone, that and the bleeding, but I plan to change my phone out at a later date for a new one, $500 outright for the phone I expect it to act like one.
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Your battery drain is easily fixable. Get "wheres my droid power" from the market (It's Free) and see what is eating it. I've had 2 issues. One was yahoo mail for some ungodly reason it was eating my battery like mad. I FC'd it and its been fine since. The other was Wifi calling. Even though it was disabled it was eating 5x the battery of any other app, ALL THE TIME. I froze it out (luckily I don't use it often) and I have had 0 problems since. I am nearing 15 hours today w/ 3 full hours of display on games/surfing/what have you plus about 30 min of phone use and a couple of five minute or so speakerphone calls.

madwolf27 said:
Your battery drain is easily fixable. Get "wheres my droid power" from the market (It's Free) and see what is eating it. I've had 2 issues. One was yahoo mail for some ungodly reason it was eating my battery like mad. I FC'd it and its been fine since. The other was Wifi calling. Even though it was disabled it was eating 5x the battery of any other app, ALL THE TIME. I froze it out (luckily I don't use it often) and I have had 0 problems since. I am nearing 15 hours today w/ 3 full hours of display on games/surfing/what have you plus about 30 min of phone use and a couple of five minute or so speakerphone calls.
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Eh thats good to know. That deserves a "Thanks". I typically go into #*#*4636*#*# and look there but it isn't that helpful.

Evofusion said:
Please tell that to all the people who are losing 10%+ every hour while the phone is idling...
My G2 with its 1300mAh gave me much much better battery life than my G2x currently does, but I just know that this is software related and hopefully (fingers crossed) CM7 will fix this.
Its my only gripe right now with the phone, that and the bleeding, but I plan to change my phone out at a later date for a new one, $500 outright for the phone I expect it to act like one.
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My battery is fine. Guess I got a better one than you. I take my G2X off the charger at 5am and it doesn't need to go back on the charger until 7pm with moderate use. With heavy use it still lasts until I get home from work at 3pm. Much better than my Vibrant did.

Droid Charge battery life totally awesome?

Does anyone know whether the Droid Charge battery is supposed to last over a day without recharging? That is what I heard through the grapevine.

I am not sure about a whole day but mine lasted around 14 hours of heavy use on its first full charge yesterday. I am 8 hours in right now and am at 75% with heavy usage again. Its a definite improvement over the thunderbolt.

I have a Droid Charge and the battery life is better than the HTC Thunderbolt. The reason: the Charge has a 1600mAh battery compared to the Thnderbolt's 1400mAh battery.
Some of you may be wondering how I got my Charge - It was given to me as a sponsorship gift by Samsung. I received it the initial release date (March 28th). I had just bought the Thunderbolt 3 weeks prior. When I received the Charge in the mail I pulled my LTE SIM out of the Thunderbolt and threw it in the Charge and was activated for use within seconds. So you I can report that you can swap your SIM across CDMA/LTE phones. I gave my wife the Thunderbolt threw, we went to our local Verizon store and purchased a LTE SIM.
BTW, the Charge is a very nice phone. Much lighter than the Thunderbolt but the build quality is done right in plastic. The Super AMOLED Plus display is stunning. I don't miss the Thunderbolt at all.
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Quick question, what types of apps have you run, games are not my focus but if you have run any memory intensive ones that would be good to hear about in terms of performance or stuttering issues. Its the 512MB RAM that concerns me, the plastic part I don't have an issue with and because its so light I would actually just add the extended battery anyways to get a little weight on it.

Well games are typically CPU intensive apps. In the course of my day I use TweetDeck, Pulse, GMail, FoureSquare, GroupMe, BeeJive, and a quick game of Let's Golf 2 or Angry Birds during my lunch hours. I have at least 60 apps on my Charge and I don't experience any delay in loading or and stuttering during games.
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Thanks. That is what I wanted to know. I have my time filler games, mostly I use the iPod touch for the games anyways (wife doesn't use it anymore) so there is lots of room on it for the bigger games, though I can say the iPod Touch is a 4Gen and I was playing Guerilla Bob and it stutters all the time even with everything closed.
I know I shouldn't be worried I know this phone will get sold in 6 months or less for something else that comes along. I just wanted real world experience before I spend away again. Buyers/Sellers remorse on the TB, really wanted it, sold it, now I wonder if I should have kept it or is getting the Charge the right decision.

They charged for a SIM? I have needed a couple SIMs when I bought used Thunderbolts and there was no charge.
I haven't switched over entirely from the the Thunderbolt yet because I'm having trouble getting my app data to transfer with Titanium Backup (or MyBackup Pro for that matter). The apps themselves come across fine but the data has gone missing. I've never seen this before in going from D1 to D2 to Fascinate to DX to Thunderbolt. But intermittent use of the Charge does suggest better battery life as noted.
DRAZY said:
I had just bought the Thunderbolt 3 weeks prior. When I received the Charge in the mail I pulled my LTE SIM out of the Thunderbolt and threw it in the Charge and was activated for use within seconds. So you I can report that you can swap your SIM across CDMA/LTE phones. I gave my wife the Thunderbolt threw, we went to our local Verizon store and purchased a LTE SIM.
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DRAZY said:
I have a Droid Charge and the battery life is better than the HTC Thunderbolt. The reason: the Charge has a 1600mAh battery compared to the Thnderbolt's 1400mAh battery.
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You realize that's a 14% increase in battery capacity. So going from like 14 hours to 16 hours of use is what it should do. There's clearly a lot more.
Do they use the same LTE chip? Kernel issues? Radio issues? There's a lot at stake here. Does Sense gobble up more battery? Shrug.

Over at Android Central user beveritt found some info about the LTE in the Droid Charge . . . http://forum.androidcentral.com/902437-post2.html
Here is beveritt's post:
"Dug up some good info myself, had been searching for some time, then of course found it on my own after asking the question...
Charge is using a VIA Telecom CBP7.1 CDMA modem instead of the old Qualcomm QSC6085 in the Fascinate
LTE modem looks to be a native Samsung designed chip called the CMC220.
Knowing that it becomes more clear how the performance and battery life can be substantially different (better?) than the Thunderbolt's MDM9600/MSM8655 combination.
Reference: http://developer.verizon.com/jsps/devCenters/DeviceDB/Landing_Pages/SamsungCharge.jsp "

RaptorMD said:
Thanks. That is what I wanted to know. I have my time filler games, mostly I use the iPod touch for the games anyways (wife doesn't use it anymore) so there is lots of room on it for the bigger games, though I can say the iPod Touch is a 4Gen and I was playing Guerilla Bob and it stutters all the time even with everything closed.
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the ipod touch 4th gen only has 256MB of ram, so the Charge shouldn't have any issues with a game like that. My Fascinate runs stuff better than my friend's Thunderbolt, so I don't see 512MB of ram being a limitation quite yet.

RaptorMD said:
Quick question, what types of apps have you run, games are not my focus but if you have run any memory intensive ones that would be good to hear about in terms of performance or stuttering issues. Its the 512MB RAM that concerns me, the plastic part I don't have an issue with and because its so light I would actually just add the extended battery anyways to get a little weight on it.
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Well in my understanding thunderbolt is more powerful than charge...i day this because I do a little test in every android phone I got, monopoly hd never before could open this game in any android device including the samsung tab but thunderbolt I could and run smooth...well I tried in my charge and won't open the game, no problem to install but to open only in thunderbolt
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denpad2010 said:
Well in my understanding thunderbolt is more powerful than charge...i day this because I do a little test in every android phone I got, monopoly hd never before could open this game in any android device including the samsung tab but thunderbolt I could and run smooth...well I tried in my charge and won't open the game, no problem to install but to open only in thunderbolt
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Not really an issue of powerful-- just that Monopoly HD requires a Snapdragon processor which Tbolt has and Charge does not.

I get a good 4hrs on full charge :/

The Charge's battery life is an epic fail. Those that are experiencing great battery life are likely not in 4g markets. The Charge constantly switched back and forth 4g/3g which kills the battery at a much quicker rate than the TB. In CDMA only mode, you get pretty average performance. Also, with my TB, I had the ability to force LTE mode. With the Charge you can't. So if you are in a fringe area, constant switching and poor battery life. Also, the Charge's antenna doesn't see to be good as the TB. With the TB, I can get 4g in areas were the Charge can't. A lot has been said about the TB having bad battery life. So will every device, including the Charge, in 4g. I'll be taking the Charge back in and sticking with my TB.

droidmark said:
Not really an issue of powerful-- just that Monopoly HD requires a Snapdragon processor which Tbolt has and Charge does not.
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Ididn't know thanks for the info
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RaptorMD said:
Quick question, what types of apps have you run, games are not my focus but if you have run any memory intensive ones that would be good to hear about in terms of performance or stuttering issues. Its the 512MB RAM that concerns me, the plastic part I don't have an issue with and because its so light I would actually just add the extended battery anyways to get a little weight on it.
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RAM concerns on Android devices are overblown, due to a lack of understanding of how Android allocates it. An Android device is not like a typical computer that will allocate memory to a process until all available system memory is consumed. On a typical 32 bit computer this would be somewhere in the 3-3.5 gigabyte range depending on the various hardware memory address requirements. Even if you do not have this much RAM in the machine, the system will use the hard disk as virtual RAM. Slow, but it works.
Android, on the other hand, reserves a fixed amount of memory for any process that starts up. This could be up to 32 megabytes, depending on the configuration. During the first versions of Android this was 16 megabytes. To any foreground application, it makes no difference whether your phone has 128 megabytes or 1024 megabytes of working memory. The foreground process will get its entire 32 megabytes. The only difference will be how many background processes will Android have to kill to make enough room for the foreground app.

Not going to fight about which phone is better since they are both nice
The TB battery issues are likely software judging by the fact the new gingerbread radio is giving great battery life.
One thing I would like to know is of the charge can handle 720p flash like the TB. I tried 720p on my droid x and captivate and neither could handle 720p flash by the TB cuts right through it like butter.

dakota_96 said:
The Charge's battery life is an epic fail. Those that are experiencing great battery life are likely not in 4g markets. The Charge constantly switched back and forth 4g/3g which kills the battery at a much quicker rate than the TB. In CDMA only mode, you get pretty average performance. Also, with my TB, I had the ability to force LTE mode. With the Charge you can't. So if you are in a fringe area, constant switching and poor battery life. Also, the Charge's antenna doesn't see to be good as the TB. With the TB, I can get 4g in areas were the Charge can't. A lot has been said about the TB having bad battery life. So will every device, including the Charge, in 4g. I'll be taking the Charge back in and sticking with my TB.
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Maybe I just have an odd-ball phone, but I'm finding the Charge's battery life to be much better than the Thunderbolt. I am in a "fringe" area in Las Vegas and find that the Charge knows when to let go of a 4G signal and stick with 3G. The Thunderbolt would always hang onto a weak 4G signal, draining the battery in a matter of minutes and leave me with no data connection whatsoever. (despite the phone telling me I had a 4G connection)

0mie said:
I get a good 4hrs on full charge :/
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I got 7 hours on full charge. This is my first smartphone so I have nothing to compare it to. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've read online that the Charge is supposed to last the entire day before needing a charge, but mine has only lasted 7 hours.
Are there things I need to do to make it last longer?

I work in an area with marginal reception, and yesterday I watched the battery go down 30 percent in about an hour. I wound up returning the phone to verizon. The speed of 4 g is awesome, but I need more a 3 hour battery life. Unless the application did not function correctly, I did have 4 g turned off.

Switch from my thunderbolt to a charge?

So I currently have a thunderbolt, and to be honest, I am technically outside the return policy with best buy, but I am trying to get them to agree to exchange the phone since in my opinion it is terrible. I have an evo 4G and it was a great phone, and the thunderbolt has the potential to be great, but the battery life, crappy screen, light leakage all around the capacitive buttons and spot lights on the screen from the capacitive buttons, is just terrible.
If they let me exchange the phone, I don't want to be an ass, and get a charge, only to turn around and exchange it for a thunderbolt again if the charge is that bad.
Anyone who has switched from a thunderbolt to a charge care to shout out how they feel about the switch?
CM7 support seems iffy for the charge, and I know I want a real CM7 for the thunderbolt not the alpha that works half the time, but if it has been that hard to get a well working CM7 on the thunderbolt, probably never happen on the charge? since the current GB leak from HTC is bigger than Froyo...
The screen, the battery life, and the physical buttons make me want this phone, but I don't want to switch if it means worse headaches than I currently have. No need to trade a demon for a devil.

If battery life is a big issue for you, then you might want to rethink the Charge unless you buy the bigger battery. But from what I can tell, if you buy the larger battery you also have to buy a new back cover as well. So figure spending an extra 50 bucks. In all, with my purchase I got a car charger and screan protecters and ended up paying 375 after taxes. Add an extr 50 for the battery and cover and your well over 425. As for the standard battery life, I have to charge it every day. I'd say if you use it alot through out the day it'll last about 5-8 hrs max. But I havent really took the time to tell exactally. Just know you want go a whole day without charging it.
Bryan

I had the Thunderbolt and returned it for battery and reception issues, 1st i went with an iphone as i know they last forever on a charge, im a heavy business user and was getting 2-3 hours per battery with the TB ( i had to have 3 and swap them out thru the day ), i got the charge yesterday and ran the battery down to zero, then charged full, then blasted it back down which still took a while, back on charge over night, took it off charge this morning at 6:15am, ive been listening to music for a little over an hour, downloading market items, around 20 calls, 20 texts and 10-15 emails, and ive not used 25% yet
i love the charge, best thing i did was return the TB, the TB is a faster phone due the the extra 256mb of ram but not much thats gonna drive you crazy, im used to it already, also dont use the stock browser as it sucks, i also use launcher pro with my charge and it makes life a lot better again, give me the charge anyday, better screen, i think it looks better, i really like the physical buttons, you can hotswap sd cards ( not in the TB due to sd slot under battery) miles better battery, just over all better

I had a Thunderbolt for roughly 5 weeks and recently swapped to a Charge. So far, I'm very glad I made the change and plan on sticking with this phone until a dual core LTE phone is released. Here are the differences that I see :
Battery life: Charge definitely wins here, although I still wouldn't say the battery life is "good." The main difference seems to be idling. My Thunderbolt battery would drain VERY quickly while in my pocket. (assuming i was on LTE) The charge does not do this.
Screen: No contest. I did not care for the Thunderbolt screen and the Charge screen is amazing.
Software: Sense is far better than Touchwiz, although I don't personally care for either. Root for ED1/ED2 as well as clockwork mod was just released for the Charge, so it is only a matter of time before we have full roms that nuke the nasty orange and brown menus.
CDMA/LTE radio : Signal strength seems to be about the same for me on both phones, although I'm often on a "fringe" LTE area in Las Vegas. The Thunderbolt would always hang onto 1 bar of LTE leaving me with no data connectivity whatsoever. (not to mention draining the battery in record fashion) The charge sits on 3G in these areas - which i DEFINITELY prefer.
Also, I love the physical buttons and the lighter weight of the charge. Honestly, the touchwiz software and slightly laggy stock browser (easily fixed by downloading another browser on the market) are my only "complaints." I'd do the swap over again in a heart beat.

Goronok said:
I had a Thunderbolt for roughly 5 weeks and recently swapped to a Charge. So far, I'm very glad I made the change and plan on sticking with this phone until a dual core LTE phone is released. Here are the differences that I see :
Battery life: Charge definitely wins here, although I still wouldn't say the battery life is "good." The main difference seems to be idling. My Thunderbolt battery would drain VERY quickly while in my pocket. (assuming i was on LTE) The charge does not do this.
Screen: No contest. I did not care for the Thunderbolt screen and the Charge screen is amazing.
Software: Sense is far better than Touchwiz, although I don't personally care for either. Root for ED1/ED2 as well as clockwork mod was just released for the Charge, so it is only a matter of time before we have full roms that nuke the nasty orange and brown menus.
CDMA/LTE radio : Signal strength seems to be about the same for me on both phones, although I'm often on a "fringe" LTE area in Las Vegas. The Thunderbolt would always hang onto 1 bar of LTE leaving me with no data connectivity whatsoever. (not to mention draining the battery in record fashion) The charge sits on 3G in these areas - which i DEFINITELY prefer.
Also, I love the physical buttons and the lighter weight of the charge. Honestly, the touchwiz software and slightly laggy stock browser (easily fixed by downloading another browser on the market) are my only "complaints." I'd do the swap over again in a heart beat.
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I second everything said here except the physical buttons.
I also had a TB for almost 5 weeks. I enjoy the Charge more, but honestly the lack of ram is very noticeable.
Either way, this will be me phone until dual-core LTEs come out (excluding Moto Bionic).
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I did and the difference is day and night.
-A lot more battery life
-Amazing screen
-Screen does not scratch easy like TB did
-Weighs a lot less

yyhd said:
I second everything said here except the physical buttons.
I also had a TB for almost 5 weeks. I enjoy the Charge more, but honestly the lack of ram is very noticeable.
Either way, this will be me phone until dual-core LTEs come out (excluding Moto Bionic).
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So five weeks. Did verizon let you just exchange the phone? I am pretty sure best buy will let me exchange it as i will be a reward zone silver member in a few days,but just incase id love to know.
Edit - thanks for the feedback everyone, i am definitely interested in getting the charge now. I had the evo befor the thunderbolt and it had the 512 ram and ran fine. So i dont see that as being an isssue

yyhd said:
I second everything said here except the physical buttons.
I also had a TB for almost 5 weeks. I enjoy the Charge more, but honestly the lack of ram is very noticeable.
Either way, this will be me phone until dual-core LTEs come out (excluding Moto Bionic).
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And i THIRD WHAT HE SAID.....LOL...I LOVE THIS PHONE, I ENDED UP GETTING THE THE CHARGING DOCK/EXTRA BATTERY COMBO ALSO, AND I COULD NOT BE MORE SATISFIED, NEED I NOT TELL YOU I HAD MY TBOLT SINCE MARCH 18TH AND I ENDED UP HAVING TO CALL *611 AND GET TO TIER 2 SUPPORT MANAGER, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CHARGE MY ACCOUNT FOR THE CHARGE AND THEY SENT ME A RETURN LABEL FOR AND EXCHANGE FOR THE TBOLT SO AS SOON AS THEY GET THE TBOLT BACK THEY CREDIT MY ACCOUNT, ONE TIME THING DUE TO ALL MY TBOLT CUSTOMER SUPPORT PROBLEMS.........HOPE I HELPED SOMEONE
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The charge has the greatest screen I've ever seen on a phone. The physical buttons (IMO) are better than capacative buttons. Touchwiz is not that bad(this is coming from an HTC user for the last 2 years that has had and loved sense on an evo 4g and touch pro2).
Give the charge a shot u should enjoy it more than a thunderbolt
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Do you recommend the Droid Charge?

So... I lost my DINC last week and I can pay Assurion 90 bucks for a replacement (probably used and probably one of the later models without the AMOLED screen) or... Verizon said I can get a new Droid Charge for 199. I've heard so much bad stuff about the Thunderbolt that I'm tempted to just go ahead and get the Droid Charge. I think the phone looks gorgeous, but I'm worried Samsung will be slow with the Android updates. I can live with that really.... I'm just wanting something that is fast, nice to look at and use and has good battery life. It also looks like the Charge has a nice useable camera in comparison to HTC phones. While, I might miss Sense.... I don't dislike the way the Charge looks.
Are you happy with yours? Any thoughts or extra info?

Get a charge i have both.
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About the updates. Because its a "Droid" phone the updates might be quicker. I would think if they didn't give good updates it wouldn't just hurt samsung but the droid line. because if someone hears the droid charge didn't get so and so update the normal person would think the whole line of droids is bad. I'm just guessing and if this doesn't make sense sorry I'm very tired
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Verizon rep told me gingerbread is coming by end of june. But they don't know **** so take it as you will
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i got the charge and after a week and a half, i went to a thunderbolt
pro:
-awesome looking screen, great for under the sun
-good camera quality
con:
-camera takes ages after taking a picture, to be ready to take another photo (2-5 seconds) I've missed multiple great photo ops in the week i owned the charge.
-rtf system lags, and the voodoo lagfix is a bandaid. even the animation of speedtest apk studders (when it's scanning for a server)
-4g reception is poor, average of 5mb/1mb. most places my wife's thunderbolt got 4g, the droid charge didn't(sitting at a restaurant, at the park etc.). additionally, since i got the thunderbolt, my 4g average has been 10mb/3mb
-randomly lost all signal and takes about 15-20 seconds for it to be restored
i would most likely never touch another samsung phone until they come out with another nexus

i also have both phones but prefer the thunderbolt ... sense is faster and smoother than touch wiz, the social integration, i think, is better, if that matters to you...also the browser seems to perform better and the keyboard (or any of the replacement ones) feels 'snappier' on the thunderbolt than the charge ... now the charge is really good in sunlight, as someone said, which can NOT be said for the thunderbolt ... big minus for the 'bolt, as i use my phone outdoors a lot!!
games seem to lag more (angry birds, etc.) on the charge and i've also already scratched the back of the charge in several places, inadvertently, and there are two little 'pits' in the screen of the charge
while there are plusses and minuses of both, i find myself using the 'bolt more as it's just all around, a much faster phone ... at least in my experiences.

Sounds to me like someone with a h**d-on towards Samsung. Obviously I only have a couple of weeks worth of experience with the Charge, I got it the day they released it a couple Saturdays ago. But I drive a truck so I am in and out of a lot of different 4G areas. I run speedtest.net as I am going through areas and I find the speeds on average to be well above what you are claiming here. Not only am I running the speed tests, they are being run on my laptop which is connected to the phone via wifi hotspot. Have I seen some 4-5dn/1-2up 4g speeds? Sure but I have also seen 21.6/8.5 in the greater Cincinnati area !! So far I have been able to test speeds in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus, OH, Cincinnati, Charlotte, NC. The vast majority of the time I am seeing speeds of between 10 & 15 mbps on the downstream with 12mbs being a fair average. Suprisingly enough, much of the time the upstream speeds are similar to the downstream!! From my experience, the ping times are 75ms on average with a high in the 110 range and low of about 65ms. This is real world testing in many different 4g areas ...
As for the Charge? I love it. I personally don't like the feel of the HTC Sense overlay. I know many love it and good for you!! Plus, the T-Bolt doesn't even come with Swype installed on it !! As stated, I am all over the place and I have never once had any type of issues with lack of signal. I am on the phone a heck of a lot during the course of my day and it has always been rock solid ...

I drive a truck also and I can agree with you. My Co-Driver has the Bolt and our 4G speeds are close most of the time. The Bolt does get better ping times sometimes, and it kicks the Charge's ass in a Quadrant test, but Im assuming that's due to more RAM. On another note, both of our phones were charged this morning and ATM mine is at 40% and his just died.
Another thing I really love about this phone is the media player. Its AWESOME! That was a really big issue for me, as I listen to alot of music and I like it loud. I've had the OG, DX, the Thunderbolt, and I still have an iPhone, and the media player on this phone kills all of the others. With the exception of the iPhone, the others don't get loud enough. The music clarity even trumps the iPhone and I have a $500 set of Shure headphones that I listen with.
My opinion is that the Charge is a great phone and even though the Thunderbolt is faster, its at the expense of poor battery life. Once the developers open this phone up though I think it is really gonna make a big difference. It may not be the fastest, but its well-rounded and will be a great phone to ensure you keep that Unlimited data plan, until something better comes along.
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Upgraded from my problematic Thunderbolt and no regrets. I love the Charge.

As everyone else before me replied, I also have both. I definitely prefer the Charge over the TB, but really it depends on the end user: you. Which do you like better? Which can you see yourself using for a while?
You can read over a thousand posts from people like us, and each will prefer one over the other. So take everyones replies with a grain of salt, including mine.
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I have the tbolt and my cousin has the charge. I think they are both great phones.
The charge has a better screen and battery life (out of the box) imo.
The tbolt I believe has better dev support atm, since the charge just came out. People complain about the battery of the tbolt, but im rooted with the extended battery, in 4g area and my battery lasts 1 1/2 days on moderate to heavy use.
I think the pros and cons to each are slim, it just depends on what you prefer. Go to the Verizon store and compare them both. I think you will be happy either way.
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Thank you for all your input!
I luckily had my lost DINC returned to me today, so I'm still going to go tomorrow and check out the Droid Charge and see if it begs me to take it home. Now, I just am not so desperate.
While I love everything about HTC phones, I think the display on the TB looks like crap. I got my DINC the day it came out before the amoled shortage and the switch to SLCD and that alone is the reason why I cried when I lost it. If the Thunderbolt got better battery life and had a nicer display, I'd def. go that route.... but until HTC brings an LTE phone to Verizon with a display as nice as the ones Samsung makes... I think I'm moving towards Samsung. I'm just trying to weigh the positives and negatives of going with the Charge now or seeing what else Samsung throws our way and when Verizon officially pulls the plug on unlimited data. (Not that I'm a data hog, but with 4G and all the great things that it can do, it seems pointless to be limited for something that doesn't cost them nearly as much as they are passing on to us.)

The Charge is the first "modern phone" I had in years. My previous was an HTC Windows Mobile at least 3 years old, maybe older than that. And before that were Palm phones.
I spent time debating between the Thunderbolt and the Charge and I really couldn't be happier I went with the Charge. I'm in NYC so I have 4G all the time pretty much. Speed tests as high as 25 mbps down and 10 up.
My deciding factor on the Charge vs. Thunderbolt was battery life. I can't imagine having to constantly keep a Thundebolt plugged in all day and 8 hours of life with average use was not acceptable to me at all. The Charge battery life I can live with. I just went 2 days without charging it with light use, and even under heavy use a nightly charge is all that is needed.
Unfortunately I took the OTA update as soon as I turned it on so hoping for a new rooting possibility so i can remove/freeze the bloatware but that would have been an issue with the thunderbolt too.

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Unfortunately I took the OTA update as soon as I turned it on so hoping for a new rooting possibility so i can remove/freeze the bloatware but that would have been an issue with the thunderbolt too.
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ed2 root has been out for awhile now. Easiest way is to install cwm and flash imnuts debloated, prerooted rom.

Is it me or is a long battery life/good reception a thing of the past?

I remember a day when phone batteries lasted almost a week and service was everywhere. There were no 4g networks but calls still came in crisp and clear. Why is it now phone manufacturers make these huge screens more advanced processors and skip over the important things that make a phone a phone. It might have looked funny with an antenna coming out of it but my old verizon lg flip phone had service everywhere! Now i cant even hold my phone in my hand without giving it the "death grip" honestly i think engineers really failed seeing as you cant even hold a smartphone in your hand without a noticeable drop in connectivity.

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I remember a day when phone batteries lasted almost a week and service was everywhere. There were no 4g networks but calls still came in crisp and clear. Why is it now phone manufacturers make these huge screens more advanced processors and skip over the important things that make a phone a phone. It might have looked funny with an antenna coming out of it but my old verizon lg flip phone had service everywhere! Now i cant even hold my phone in my hand without giving it the "death grip" honestly i think engineers really failed seeing as you cant even hold a smartphone in your hand without a noticeable drop in connectivity.
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I agree with the battery bit, but honestly, did we even use phones as much as we do now back then? Think about how much you use your phone, then and now.
I can't sympathize with the reception thing. What part of the world do you live in? I always get good reception wherever I am. (Excluding one time in an area where my service just disappeared for no reason.)

I'm probably looking at it wrong and I accept that but the way I see it, it's up to the user how long the smart phone will last.
Use 75% brightness, you moan. Use 30%, magic improvements etc etc. Smartphones have gotten to the point where they are essentially pocket PCs that use all kinds of resources.
One user can report good battery life, another the opposite.
Tl;dr - It's probably your fault. Carry a battery

I feel that my Droid 3 is just as good if not a bit better than my old feature phone on Verizon and I'm in a rural area. But I've heard Motorola makes good radios for their phones, at least they can do one thing right. For years cell phones have been using internal fractal antennas, and there was even a time manufacturers put a fake antenna stub on their phones just to please customers. I used to have an old LG flip phone with a 1" antenna stub on it that you could unscrew and it didn't change reception at all, proving it was a fake. Phones do a lot more today and are as powerful as desktop computers were not too long ago. Part of the sacrifice of having a smartphone is worse battery life. I imagine someday batteries will catch up, look how far lithium batteries have come compared to the old nickel batteries in the 90s.

My note 2 gets about 12 hrs on a full charge and that's with considerable internet usage
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i get wildly varying battery life. it is especially bad when im traveling. i think bad battery life is here to stay.

For actually making phone calls, my reception and call quality is the same as it's always been. With use of calls over wifi, the quality is actually generally better.
I don't notice any difference in connectivity when holding my phone. Hell, I have metal bumpers on it and it's not a noticeable difference.
I don't expect the same battery life from a device that is looked at only a few times a day compared to something I can use the internet, games, et cetera on - one that is accessing mobile data on a periodic basis. There's a lot you can do to control wakelocks and such for better battery life, too.

I understand all the points listed here. I dont expect to get the same battery life on a phone used frequently over a phone checked a few times aday. I actually do pretty good on my htc one S. At first i was having problems with the phone getting super hot when i wake up in the morning while it was on the charger. Eventually i rooted it and threw a custom rom on there and just recently i flashed an oced kernel and did some reading up on cpu governors. long story short i get an oc from 1500 mhz to 2100 mhz and im also seeing improved battery life. switching to the old radio got me better connectivity. I think im one of the people who dont really care about the aesthetics of the phone and wouldent mind one being a bit thicker for improved battery life. Im actually hearing good things about the droid razor max some reports of the battery lasting up to 3 days on a single charge so maby some of my points were more device spesific. Usually where i want to have connectivity i get very little. At work theres concrete walls so its definitly not an optimal area for transmitting and receiving information. And i suppose battery technology has come a very very long way i would just like to see more manufacturers stressing screen time and connectivity

I thought maybe once all phones cracked the 300ppi barrier we would see a slowing down the screen arms race and see some marked improvement in battery life. But with the release of several 1080 phones, I feel that isn't going to happen.
Reception I feel has gotten better where I am, Australia.