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Looks like we can merge with the Desire Hd forum

With source dropping for the dhd and how easy interoperability between our phones is do we need 2 different forums? Seems it would be easier on you guys if things merged.
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I agree. Now that the source is out it would make sense.
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it would be much easier for the DEVS which is more important. they wouldnt have to maintain 2 different threads for the same ROM, Theme or Kernel as well..

Very good point.
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so how do we initiate this or would the Mods even entertain this idea at this point since both forums have been established..

I suggest we work with the mods on this. I'll report my own thread to get some eyes on it.
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sounds like a plan..

yes please merge us!

I agree with this. There's a lot of threads I've seen today that are directing you to the DHD forum for further information/troubleshooting - why not make them the same rather than having to post everything twice, or making devs/users have to jump back and forth?

I have to disagree. I prefer the forums seperate.
I could care less what the people in Europe are doing with their Desire HDs. The Inspire is a US phone on AT&T. It has a seperate identity.
Keep in mind even though they are pretty much the same phone, they run on different networks, have different radio software, and are supported by different cell providers. People's experiences will be different than their European counterparts.
Please keep them seperate.

you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?

bkeaver said:
you do realize that almost everything in our forums are from the europe DHD forums right??? so why have 2?
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I think 2 just to keep it simpler. so that the threads arent filled with issues from the inspire in the desire thread and desire in an inspire thread.

if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...

Masacrk said:
if the dev part is merged to make it better for them is one thing, but you still need att specific sub forum for all the posts that are att specific.
The Dev secton right now is NOT the biggest part of this device forum, all the att specific issues are...
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A European ROM flashed with the kernel just released by apache14 works out of the box with no further user tweaking.
I have a feeling that all the rom chefs of Europe will be building their own kernels based on the source that dropped yesterday which is universal, and includes the variations to the American and Canadian DHDs.
I agree that a sub forum may be needed in General but not Dev.

yeah I'm not seeing anything that makes this device any different from the DHD device. The DHD forum isn't limited to 1 single carrier so i'm still not seeing your point of keeping it separate...
worst case scenario look at how the Motorola Milestone and Verizon Drioid forum is laid out.. maybe something similar
and besides the DEV section will start becoming the biggest part of our forums now that ROMS and Kernels are out

Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.

there is always the search function. That always helps. Besides where as I know that not ALL people root and load custom roms there are a good portion that do and since that is what the majority do on XDA (D=Developers) then I don't know how relevant your argument is on that one.
did you look at the motorola forum I previously mentioned to you?

chocodough said:
Also keep in mind that there are a lot of people who like me have no intention of rooting or modding their phone. So the DEV section is useless to people like me.
I used to jailbreak my iPhone for years, but got bored doing it. The only reason I flashed a custom ROM on my Captivate was cause you had to, being that the stock 2.1 was terrible.
Currently outside of the fact that the back speaker is terrible on the Inspire, I am completely happy the way the phone is. I don't feel I need to flash custom ROMs to get a phone to work the way it should. The Inspire currently works just dandy.
So don't assume everyone is into modding.
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Why are you using this forum then? No offense but if I wasn't in to modding my device I would use another less development oriented one like androidforum or something. Most people on xda DEVELOPERS are into development. But I am with you on keeping the dhd and inspire forums separate or at least the dev sections and my only logic on that is because of the sound issues but if the source being released fixes this than I guess there's no point. As far as general I could care less.......
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Although I am not really into custom ROMs, I still think this is a great forum to hang out. Plus I think you get a more mature crowd on here who are a bit more techie oriented.
I also read on Androidforums.com and like how they have a separate section for every phone. I think it works, but then again on there I don't think you get the same kind of conversations as you get on here.
As far as what Gunny said, I don't really see a lot of DesireHD stuff in the general section of the Inspire forum. I am sure you do in the DEV section, but so far almost all the threads I see in here are all about the Inspire.

i would be curious to add a poll to this thread.. so far I am only seeing 1 maybe 2 people that may not agree. I'd love to see what general consensus states...

Nexus S 4G forum

when can we expect a forum for the ns4g? clearly this forum is meant for the gsm nexus
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ksweat2292 said:
when can we expect a forum for the ns4g? clearly this forum is meant for the gsm nexus
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I have no idea. It pisses me off. There is no reason to NOT have another forum... THE GSM RADIOS WILL BRICK THE NEXUS S 4G, THE ROMS DON'T WORK, THE KERNELS NEED MODIFICATION... IT IS A DIFFERENT DEVICE!!!!!!!!

derekwilkinson said:
I have no idea. It pisses me off. There is no reason to NOT have another forum... THE GSM RADIOS WILL BRICK THE NEXUS S 4G, THE ROMS DON'T WORK, THE KERNELS NEED MODIFICATION... IT IS A DIFFERENT DEVICE!!!!!!!!
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they have forums for phones that arent even released its ridiculous
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sorry wrong thread

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I agree. Too easy for a newb to brick their phone. Just left Tmo and my N1 for Sprint. GO TO HELL AT& T!

When the cdma Hero first came out we at least had a sub-form dedicated to it until the number of posts grew and its own form was justified.

Seeing as all roms will need to be modified to work with the NS4G, a new forum should be created. Mods need to quit dragging their feet on this.
-Ash-

I agree that the gsm and cdma needs their own forum sections. I won't demand anything from the mods because I used to be one and have an idea on what they in through. I agree that newbs and others might accidentally flash the wrong thing and hose their phone. I am very cautious about flashing anything with this phone because of some of the horror stories i've read. There are some things that I am interested in messing with but there's nothing in the description that says which ones it does and doesn't work with. OP maybe you could change the title of this thread to something to do with requesting a separate ns4g section to reduce the confusion and people messing with the wrong flashes.
+10!
That might catch the attention of a moderator more.

who cares about the newbs. every flash on the forum is the user's responsibility. not the OP.
should the OP include the ROMs that are compatiable? yes.
will it get dual support? possibly. your first is relatively new, give it sometime to adjust
i strongly disagree with a new forum. thats like saying the G2 and Desire Z should get different forums... they both share the same forum.
like i mentioned, you're just splitting the community for a minor change. ROMs will get NS4G support (dual support is even possible.. netarchys kernel works on ns4g), give it time.

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who cares about the newbs.
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Nice.
10char...

To try and make things a little more organized I also made a Reference thread for the Nexus S 4G peeps here

zephiK said:
who cares about the newbs. every flash on the forum is the user's responsibility. not the OP.
should the OP include the ROMs that are compatiable? yes.
will it get dual support? possibly. your first is relatively new, give it sometime to adjust
i strongly disagree with a new forum. thats like saying the G2 and Desire Z should get different forums... they both share the same forum.
like i mentioned, you're just splitting the community for a minor change. ROMs will get NS4G support (dual support is even possible.. netarchys kernel works on ns4g), give it time.
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You were a newb once too there, big shooter. Take it easy.

^ +1
well said

Talking about splitting the whatever. I forgot where the thread was that had a link to a google developer discussion page. I remember netarchy was saying something about it too. Anyways, there's two separate "versions" of the nexus software. Crespo and crespo4g. It was mentioned that because of gsm and cdma the two can't be merged together (for now).

Im trying to figure out where in the system files the OS looks for GSM or CDMA. The roms for nexus s will boot. No service tho. Probably really complicated in Services.jar
Uncle Jimmy says hello

ok the g2 and the dz share the same everything, the radios can be flashed willy nilly..

Who thinks the Nexus S and Nexus S 4G should have separate forums?

I personally think they should - too easy to pick a ROM from the wrong phone and brick your shiny toy!

At the very least a subforum within the Nexus umbrella

There's like 12 threads about this now.
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I hate to participate and bump this to the top but - enough of these idiotic threads. A 4G subforum is unneeded

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I hate to participate and bump this to the top but - enough of these idiotic threads. A 4G subforum is unneeded
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That's your opinion, which may not reflect that of others!

subthread needed!
I vote FOR a separate thread or subthread...would make it much easier as they are NOT the same phone and require different ROMs.

Is it REALLY REALLY that hard to just put [CDMA] or [NS4G] in front of the ROM that is for the 4G only? Are we really THAT lazy that we need a forum so we don't have to spend 5-10 seconds reading?
I realize that the dev's have been putting something in front, I'm just stating that it's easy and doesn't require a separate section if that standard is followed.

maybe always using tag in thread subject. just for sure..

If the touch pro 2 has separate sections, than the nexus s should and for the same reason which is obvious. Its a no brain-er..
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I'm all for a separate section. Trusting that all posts would contain [NS4G] or [CDMA] is wishfull thinking. Make a separate section and the problem is solved.
It is a different phone after all..

maconu said:
I'm all for a separate section. Trusting that all posts would contain [NS4G] or [CDMA] is wishfull thinking. Make a separate section and the problem is solved.
It is a different phone after all..
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tailsthecat3 said:
I hate to participate and bump this to the top but - enough of these idiotic threads. A 4G subforum is unneeded
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+1 the only section that is different is the Developer forums. Everything else is the same, if anything you'd be losing a large % of the Nexus community to your own forum.
Nexus S: Everybody else except Sprint.
Nexus S 4G: Sprint only.
You do the math. World vs. Sprint 4G
Jeez... its like the civil war all over where they want to have their own territory and break from the union.
It's also even possible that ROMs could have dual support for NS and NS4G. Relax. Just give it time.
We Nexus S users (non-4G) aren't complaining about NS4G ROMs going up on the Developer section. We're one big happy family, stop trying to be special and moving onto your own section where you're going to isolate the community in terms of NS General/NS Q&A/NS Apps&Themes and only have small number of users where you eventually just end up coming back here because your "NS4G" forum doesn't have as much people.

I agree with zephiK.
There should be at least a separate developer forum. Everything else is pretty much the same.

zephiK said:
It's also even possible that ROMs could have dual support for NS and NS4G. Relax. Just give it time.
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It is also possible that the sun will rise in the west. So far, it hasn't.
Can you name any roms that work for both? I have yet to find one. Is this just due to radios or is this wimax related? If it's just radios, getting every dev to package them separately seems a logical choice, but unrealistic considering.
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oh for the love of god!!
thats just pure lazynes!!!
go read what the op/rom developer says in the description of the rom.
dont go the lazy rout and just push it on your nexus.
your the problem! not the forum.
your just to lazy to READ!
i really like allot of people here.
but these thing's and such stupid argument's/questions/opinions are what pisses me off.
stop being lazy!
dont like how XDA is? go make your own forum.
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I personally think they should - too easy to pick a ROM from the wrong phone and brick your shiny toy!
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[KERNEL]Netarchy Nexus for NS + NS4G (15-May-2011) Stable: 1.3.0.12 Testing: 1.3.1
not a rom,but it is a kernel that supports both.
rougegoat said:
It is also possible that the sun will rise in the west. So far, it hasn't.
Can you name any roms that work for both? I have yet to find one. Is this just due to radios or is this wimax related? If it's just radios, getting every dev to package them separately seems a logical choice, but unrealistic considering.
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From my standpoint as a relatively newer user, I'd have to agree that separating this into sub-forums would be much easier to follow than the current layout especially on XDA Mobile.

I voted yes but...
I would say the TAG's would make it more searchable/sortable. If the goal of XDA staff is to keep all of us "NexSicans" under one happy roof this would be the fastest and easiest routes.
I have mod/admin experience on another unrelated forum and I can tell you these guys have a big job moderating already, so adding a sub section and finding harmony is not a fast and easy decision. So I can appreciate whatever decision you can all agree on to give your staff some relief.
From the Sprint users point of view, we would feel really welcomed to the family if the current Nexus S forum would also include the 4G title.

Or people could just read. Crazy I know. No subforum needed.
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Yep no need IMO

rougegoat said:
It is also possible that the sun will rise in the west. So far, it hasn't.
Can you name any roms that work for both? I have yet to find one. Is this just due to radios or is this wimax related? If it's just radios, getting every dev to package them separately seems a logical choice, but unrealistic considering.
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No body has even said the sun will rise in the west. Did I ever say any ROMs are both compatible at this given time? No. Is it possible? Maybe. It's too early to draw conclusions but koush is doing work on getting CM7 to work for the NS4G.
Sorry but regardless of whatever forum you're on for XDA. Flashing a ROM is to the user's responsibility, not the OP. There's no body to blame but yourselves.
I still stick by my point about NS4G and NS. I don't understand why you want to separate the community. The analogy for the "Civil War" about the Union & Confederacy fits perfectly. Don't know why you want to separate apart. It takes a few seconds to read if its a NS and NS4G ROM.

Nexus S 4G DEV Sub Forum?

YOu think its possible if we can split up the Nexus S DEV section, its really getting littered with ROMs (which is good) but its now a bit confusing to see all the different ROMs mixed up. Not that that its HARD to to really distinguish which ROM goes to which device, its more annoying than anything.
Anyone agree? maybe get a new sub forum for the NS4G, they are really 2 totally different devices if you think about it

i think its fine, i just think the titles need to be changed, have the phone tag all the way to the left to make it easier to scroll by

I say no. I have had a lot of help from fellow NS owners some things are the same. Just read the OP before flashing. Or test on your own to see if new (2.3.4) roms work with your device. And as always have a good backup.

Looks like the Admins agreed. I didnt have ANY issues with distinguishing 4g from NS ROMs, my thing was the clutter aspect

Agreed and thank you to the admins.
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New Nexus S 4g android development section created!

Complaints thread (cons)

Post all complaints on this thread I will keep a list of all of them
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My only complaint is that the One X seems to attract all the biggest babies to XDA that make completely unnecessary threads, such as this one.

Agree.. there's plenty of threads about the issues of this phone.
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My only complaint is that the One X seems to attract all the biggest babies to XDA that make completely unnecessary threads, such as this one.
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This.
Thread needs to be closed.

Why? Someone is trying to put all the info in one place. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's called "freedom".
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c5satellite2 said:
Why? Someone is trying to put all the info in one place. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's called "freedom".
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yeaht thanks alot thats all im trying instead of people such as the first couple poster posting threads bout every single issue jsut one thread that covers all in one

Yes he is trying to help you don't see a comment section in xda so this is a plus even though it's about cons of a phone...
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c5satellite2 said:
Why? Someone is trying to put all the info in one place. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's called "freedom".
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True, but it also is becoming clutter. People aren't going to stop posting in the threads already started to say the same things here, so it's just adding to the pile.

Reamer09 said:
True, but it also is becoming clutter. People aren't going to stop posting in the threads already started to say the same things here, so it's just adding to the pile.
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This exactly. Consolidated complaint threads NEVER work.

Bootloader is still locked
now close the thread.

Thanks, but...
thanks for giving this a shot, but there is already a forum dedicated entirely to complaints; its called Engadget.

This thread has been hijacked and is defeating the purpose. Can someone please delete all the posts other than the op so it can be relevant.
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I'm not sure why people feel the need to create redundant threads either. Maybe it makes them feel cool that they're the op? What not just add relevant discussion to threads that are already ongoing? And even after they get all this info together, they are the same people that ask really dumb questions in development threads lol...Complain on the HTC website.

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thanks for giving this a shot, but there is already a forum dedicated entirely to complaints; its called Engadget.
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+1
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I hate that my iPhone has more gbs and has the wifis
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My complaint is this, take the phone back to the store and grab something else. Real talk. If it doesnt suit your needs, get something different. Real simple. I'm personally not gonna keep anything that I have complaints about, especially for the money it cost. Take it back!
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I really think people forget what it means to be an early adopter.

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I really think people forget what it means to be an early adopter.
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+1000

Im amazed at how different the communities are for various android phones.
Coming from iphones the last 3 years , i bought my first android phone (galaxy nexus) and the community was great, made me happy to make the switch.
Ive moved on to the one x and can safely say this is getting the the point of pathetic. On one hand we have people crying about the smallest of issues , then on the other, we have total hard asses constantly flooding the posts with their unnecessary comments (which is just as annoying).
grow up people

aimetti said:
Im amazed at how different the communities are for various android phones.
Coming from iphones the last 3 years , i bought my first android phone (galaxy nexus) and the community was great, made me happy to make the switch.
Ive moved on to the one x and can safely say this is getting the the point of pathetic. On one hand we have people crying about the smallest of issues , then on the other, we have total hard asses constantly flooding the posts with their unnecessary comments (which is just as annoying).
grow up people
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I hope you aren't basing this mindset solely on what you've found in this thread, because this is hardly the prime example of what the HOX forums have to offer. In fact, I would say it's a very poor sampling. If you look around these forums you are surely going to find a bit complaining and trolling, but for the most part you are going to see that there is wonderful collaboration, praise, thanking, sharing, and comradery on a fairly remarkable level. If you dont like it, please feel free to find another device or forum that suits you better. But dont come here to flood a complaint thread with complaints about complaining, you're just perpetuating that which you allegedly find pathetic. Also keep in mind that these threads are quite new and the moderators are working hard to maintain decency and integrity herein.