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[ROM-Mod] Fxone CM 5.0.8-T5 Q&D 0.1

This is a Quick and Dirty Port of Cyanogenmod 5.0.8-T5
Big Thanks at CM,ahmgsk,Richard Trip and many other People´s *
This is my First Rom, When you found failure´s Post it and i Try to Fix it. And Please tell what are Working. (i don´t have bluetooth devices)
Many Scripts from ahmgsk thanks at this Point.
Original CM Rom without any Extras
Working:
Wlan
Camera
Market
Not Working:
dl: Download v.0.1 / Market Fix
* Your Name here PM me

Changelog:
0.1 - Inital Relase
Richard´s OC14 Kernel
added marketfix

this is a good rom, big thanks.
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42282260 said:
this is a good rom, big thanks.
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5 minutes after the ROM is posted and you've already tried it out to some extent?
Also, this is your first post, with kind of a weird nickname.
It feels like a big LOL this

fxone said:
Changelog:
0.1 - Inital Relase
Richard´s OC14 Kernel
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Do you have anything more to add?
What's in it?
What's special about it?
Known bugs?
Hmmm....

Daelyn said:
5 minutes after the ROM is posted and you've already tried it?
Also, this is your first post, with kind of a weird nickname.
I would guess this is quite a obvious LOL
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Signed i think the same, its not from me
Do you have anything more to add?
What's in it?
What's special about it?
Known bugs?
Hmmm....
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Test it and Tell me

Daelyn said:
5 minutes after the ROM is posted and you've already tried it?
Also, this is your first post, with kind of a weird nickname.
I would guess this is quite a obvious LOL
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Don't forget to compliment him with his screenshots!
Yes, this is a ROM I would not flash right away...

I've just had a look at previous posts from the OP, I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions about him. He has been fairly active. 78 posts since November 2008.
The second post in this thread might just be a nutjob or someone saying it's great before having actually trying it!
In saying all that, I'm not trying this rom first
Edit: to the OP, any chance you could put a few screenshots up to keep the doubters happy?

Does it include the 720p mod as it does on the N1?
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socktug said:
I've just had a look at previous posts from the OP, I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions about him. He has been fairly active. 78 posts since November 2008.
The second post in this thread might just be a nutjob or someone saying it's great before having actually trying it!
In saying all that, I'm not trying this rom first
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It´s my First try for a Android Rom i have upload some Screenshots.
LeeDroid said:
Does it include the 720p mod as it does on the N1?
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720P Need on the N1 the New Radio from Froyo, i Think that the 720P Mod doesn´t run without a new Radio. i Try to test it out.

Gonna test it in 1-2h ^^ (with Koush's recovery)

i am a new man here, and my english is not very well. i just means that it looks good. so if my words are not very suitable ,please forgive me. in the past, i only get roms from XDA, but i want to be a DEV.
i uesd to use G1 before.at last,i want to say sorry ...
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42282260 said:
i am a new man here, and my english is not very well. i just means that it looks good. so if my words are not very suitable ,please forgive me. in the past, i only get roms from XDA, but i want to be a DEV.
i uesd to use G1 before.at last,i want to say sorry ...
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No need to apologise. It was a simple misunderstanding. Welcome and I wish you good luck in becoming a dev.

Just having a look at this..
works:
Data, got HSDPA connection
Wifi
360 rotation
broken:
Facebook wont upgrade from the market, although I haven't applied market fix as my rapidshare allowance ran out
Facebook sync (haven't seen any Vanilla rom do this on desire)
ADW Launcher is really well integrated, although the settings don't take effect till you reboot.

Use this Rom is Compiled from source and better as mine
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700357

thank you very much. i can read english that is not very difficult , but my written english is not very well. so i hope you can understand me from my simple english.compared with foreign countries, china has fewer outstanding DEVS. so i want to learn something and become more and more better. i want to make good roms for everyone. thanks...
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[ROM]Tha Boss Rom - Froyo

This is just a basic rom for the user that wants that stock feel but wants some power out of it. There will be more to come from this rom series, it’s only the beginning.
-removed bloatware
-removed boot sound
-improved CPU Scales (Much snappier) – Thanks to BuglessPete
-Signed - Thanks to Chocmatic
Download
Follow me on Twitter: @KyleCole90
To be a boss you help me buy some Mountain Dew = )
The Boss List
rjmjr69
Like my work? Buy me a Mountain Dew! Donate

KyleCole90 said:
This is just a basic rom for the user that wants that stock feel but wants some power out of it. There will be more to come from this rom series, it’s only the beginning.
-removed bloatware
-removed boot sound
-improved CPU Scales (Much snappier) – Thanks to BuglessPete
Download
Follow me on Twitter: @KyleCole90
Like my work? Buy me a Mountain Dew! MountainDewFund
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Ill give it a whirl and Ill also buy you a mt dew to get you started. I would like to request that you deox this as well as the normal range of mods like Move devik to cache partition align all zips and apks etc etc.
If you dont deox no one can use the cool themes and thats important at least for me lol.
What are your plans for this rom?
Except your donation link doesnt work so I can't buy you anything yet lol. Fix that please

Thanks to buglesspete. I like the sound of that.
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rjmjr69 said:
Ill give it a whirl and Ill also buy you a mt dew to get you started. I would like to request that you deox this as well as the normal range of mods like Move devik to cache partition align all zips and apks etc etc.
If you dont deox no one can use the cool themes and thats important at least for me lol.
What are your plans for this rom?
Except your donation link doesnt work so I can't buy you anything yet lol. Fix that please
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Thanks for the advice and about the broken link (its working now). I plan to have a deox by this weekend.
My plans are to make this a stock feel rom but make it faster. Im working on getting a working Wifi tether that doesn't mess with the camera. Thanks again for using my rom, you wont be disappointed

I need a signed Rom please. I don't use clockwork.
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Please make it signed and I'll definitely check it out. Oh and any influence by Bugless Pete is a good sign in my book
Swyped from my EVO via the xda app

I've got my eyes of this one for now.
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Ok I will put out a signed version next time I'm at a computer. I don't have one of my own.
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novanosis85 said:
Thanks to buglesspete. I like the sound of that.
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here you go
http://www.4shared.com/file/EnO7xGTa/TheBossROM-signed.html

KyleCole90 said:
Ok I will put out a signed version next time I'm at a computer. I don't have one of my own.
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I uploaded one for you

Thanks Chrome! I owe u one!
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WiFi tether that works with HTC kernel without messing with the camera,
Theres a new version that came out earlier today 2.0.5 pre7, it can be found on their project-home site
Good looking ROM hopefully will try it out tomorrow
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Thanks for the info kean!
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No prob,just tryna help as many people as I can!
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Thinking screen shots!!!

hooover said:
Thinking screen shots!!!
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Thinking stock rom why?

everyone always wants screen shots even if its the stock rosie... lol morons

infamousjax said:
everyone always wants screen shots even if its the stock rosie... lol morons
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Yea, I'm the moron...

The Boss Rom, I like the sound of that! Make the boot sound have some Hustlin from Rick Ross and add some spinners on the graphics
Everyone loves screenshots, even if is stock, it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside

First thing that came to mind (and I'm 40 years old), is the "Like a Boss" song from Lonely Island...

removed and moved by kifno

removed and moved by kifno

Nicely done sir!
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thanks i'm trying to be a dev and themer now wait until you see the next theme and also my next dev work they'll be great

kifno said:
And now I'm working a porting a popular theme (i can't tell you which theme it is yet) to cm6 and cm7, also making my espresso rom sense, and releasing v1.2 of my tweak/mod for bl & mp versions and releasing v1.0 of the mp & bl versions for the entire androids community (those will be non specific to android phones), and I'm working on my gingersense rom and making the setup less time consuming (basically making the theme setup by default flash of the rom), also I'm porting a rom to our heroes (can't tell you yet), also I'm compiling my own rom and making a custom kernel, not to forget helping/finishing PMGrands rom
.....so I guess you can call me the multi tasking master
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That's what I'm up to

Is this really kifno's theme? Or is this the android 7 port that andyriot posted?
It sure looks like the same as the android 7 themes... what makes this different enough to get its own thread?
Seriously, did you just start a new thread to make it look like this is YOUR work?
How many times do you have to apologize before you start thinking before you act?
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theSlack said:
Is this really kifno's theme? Or is this the android 7 port that andyriot posted?
It sure looks like the same as the android 7 themes... what makes this different enough to get its own thread?
Seriously, did you just start a new thread to make it look like this is YOUR work?
How many times do you have to apologize before you start thinking before you act?
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There are many other threads that contain the icon pack for the android 7 theme. All this is my custom icons for mdpi devices with my own custom dimensions for the android 7 theme. So this is my work just the method of applying it isn't. I did nothing wrong bro, I learned my lesson already.
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not tryna be rude or anything.. but this isn't your theme.. its just an ICON PACK u made..
this was done back in sept 2010 found here
and i even created an "ICON" pack found here back in sept..
its been done many times over and probably doesn't hold much interest anymore.. but to start your OP off with "Kifno's LauncherPro Theme" isn't the right way to go about it..
also.. you could use some pointers in creating your icons, cause most of them either look stretched or squeezed..

The thread I mention has many people posting their icons. Currently yours is the last post on that thread. It says you are almost done with your icons.
Now... you made a new thread to show off your work and separate it from the 30 page thread full of other peoples contributions.
I think you need to ease back on how proud of yourself you are. This seems to be kifnos icon set for a theme, more than kifnos theme. Just like your roms... they aren't your roms, they are your mods to existing roms.
So far you aren't a themer or a dev, yer just a modder. A modder who seems really full of himself, who makes long posts telegraphing his long term plans to anyone who will read it.
Your skills are being overshadowed by your boastful self-importance.
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I'm not trying to be full of myself I'm really not, sorry if I come off that way at times. I'll just ask a mod to delete this thread and take down my icon pack I don't want any problems
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bk718 said:
not tryna be rude or anything.. but this isn't your theme.. its just an ICON PACK u made..
this was done back in sept 2010 found here
and i even created an "ICON" pack found here back in sept..
its been done many times over and probably doesn't hold much interest anymore.. but to start your OP off with "Kifno's LauncherPro Theme" isn't the right way to go about it..
also.. you could use some pointers in creating your icons, cause most of them either look stretched or squeezed..
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I will be taking this down this thread is sending the wrong message. I don't want problems so it's being taken down asap.
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kifno said:
I will be taking this down this thread is sending the wrong message. I don't want problems so it's being taken down asap.
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LOL you seem to cause lots of problems around here

ACSP said:
LOL you seem to cause lots of problems around here
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I do?
Xda...I'm taking a break from this sites forums for a while I seem to cause to many issues .....
In the meantime I'll be available through pm only
- sent from my hero....I'm taking a xda break I cause too many problems

Kifno man you should just not release **** that's resemble or is based off someone else's work without giving credit. This will save you a lot of hassle. And there's no need to post so much man. Just be a little easier. Good luck
Yea it's Me Again With The
Modified Hero

kifno said:
I do?
Xda...I'm taking a break from this sites forums for a while I seem to cause to many issues .....
In the meantime I'll be available through pm only
- sent from my hero....I'm taking a xda break I cause too many problems
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damn bud sucks you have done some good work don't let a few bad posts or a few mistakes stop you. learning is all about trial and error. just keep trying you will get things going your way!
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laie1472 said:
Kifno man you should just not release **** that's resemble or is based off someone else's work without giving credit. This will save you a lot of hassle. And there's no need to post so much man. Just be a little easier. Good luck
Yea it's Me Again With The
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This^
Nobody's asking you to leave or anything it's great to see you're enthusiastic about giving to the community

kifno said:
Will be removed asap
-kifno
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smh. Never saw that before.
Do you steal flowers from the graveyard on Valentines Day too?

davec1234 said:
smh. Never saw that before.
Do you steal flowers from the graveyard on Valentines Day too?
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I thought everyone does that...
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ACSP said:
This^
Nobody's asking you to leave or anything it's great to see you're enthusiastic about giving to the community
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Puzzled is this to me or him????
Yea it's Me Again With The
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Hey Kif please don't leave us! Just give respect to other devs. When using their work. I like you sticking around Kevin?
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Mondays are good too. Still fresh.
Kifno, I think you should try not to spread yourself too thin. This forum needs thinking and enthusiasm and will reward creativity - but there are too many informed people to try and embellish ones creations.
It's quality not quantity that counts most. Focus and let your work be your voice and not your voice.
People here are actually trying to help you with developing and with life in general. You don't have to be "the best", be your best and just relax and focus.
Don't take your ball home- just play smart. And whatever you do, don't try and sell your story on these threads and don't come off as a victim- you will lose respect, not gain it. You're young and have a lot of time.
Also, don't break your neck doing head spins.
Good luck.
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RCMix Evolutionary Sense 3.0 Support Thread

This Thread is for the huge community who used the RCMix Evolutionary Sense 3.0.
Until Capy releases something new and better than this rom we should keep up the work on this one.
So this thread is meant for posting issues and maybe someone can fix them and we can support Capychimp's work even if he decided to close his Thread.
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roboMr.Burns said:
Hey guys after Capy decided to close his Thread I really think we should keep supporting and getting further with this Rom.
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Why was the thread closed mate?
Have been offline for the last 8 hours

DanteGR said:
Why was the thread closed mate?
Have been offline for the last 8 hours
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The reason was that he had found out something about the base. It was unity and not kingdom..

I'm sure he respects you for doing this, as do I. But I don't think capy can continue with the ROM, and I don't think anyone wants a repeat of last week.
Tbh, I'm with capy in this "argument", as I think he was mislead by a "friend", who he risked a lot to help last week, and who also lied to their fan base

So what can we do now? The ROM is great and there is nothing that as perfect as that one. It had its own kernels made by klquicksall and so on. That cannot be for nothing!
So many recognized and great developers helped fixing a lot of bugs. We should keep up the work for that somehow!
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Yh,I was enjoying the Rom until this morning I woke up and realized it closed. That's Heart Breaking man. Still don't know exactly what is happening. Just know that Capy's having some trouble with the "License" from other roms.
Btw,can anyone pls fix the problem the phone Identity show that Model Number is Incredible S???

Samuel told capy is was strictly his base and not unity. Capy asked in the honey3d forum about the base, and Samuel admitted it had pieces of unity wiring that was used, but not mentioned.
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I still feel capy woudn't have stealed the base (as they are quoting). Being such an experienced dev, if you have tried this ROM from beginning you would know how work is done in this. Anyways, people need to calm down and this is an adverse effect to the community. It's not good to lose dev's like capy.
Please come back dude

pradeepd said:
I still feel capy woudn't have stealed the base (as they are quoting). Being such an experienced dev, if you have tried this ROM from beginning you would know how work is done in this. Anyways, people need to calm down and this is an adverse effect to the community. It's not good to lose dev's like capy.
Please come back dude
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The support is good, but kinda freaks me out robo, made a whole thread in dev section on top but the base was not what we were lead to think, so for the respect of virtuous aztec must be taken down and redone or something, they have not approved the use of that particular base.
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capychimp said:
The support is good, but kinda freaks me out robo, made a whole thread in dev section on top but the base was not what we were lead to think, so for the respect of virtuous aztec must be taken down and redone or something, they have not approved the use of that particular base.
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Capychimp !
Try to build with: RUU_Shooter_U_HTC_Europe_1.20.401.2_Radio_10.53.90 20.00_10.13.9020.08_2M_release_203403
It's GSM !

dungphp said:
Capychimp !
Try to build with: RUU_Shooter_U_HTC_Europe_1.20.401.2_Radio_10.53.90 20.00_10.13.9020.08_2M_release_203403
It's GSM !
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allready on it

Just remember this from Mahatma Gandhi, nonviolent mantra
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
This goes to all dev's , everybody is unique in one aspect.

capychimp said:
The support is good, but kinda freaks me out robo, made a whole thread in dev section on top but the base was not what we were lead to think, so for the respect of virtuous aztec must be taken down and redone or something, they have not approved the use of that particular base.
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So are you going to work to get rcmix back up? i love that rom and am using it right now

yeah i am working on something

Ahh!!!!! Capy, I will continue to use your Aztec until your next ROM. Please do not let other devs dictate your Builds. As far as infringement of Roms, they are all based from somebody else's stuff. The only original is a ruu. Your work is and always will be appreciated.
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well lets see what happens with my new project

capychimp said:
well lets see what happens with my new project
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Cant wait to see your new project very excited for it

trock62 said:
Ahh!!!!! Capy, I will continue to use your Aztec until your next ROM. Please do not let other devs dictate your Builds. As far as infringement of Roms, they are all based from somebody else's stuff. The only original is a ruu. Your work is and always will be appreciated.
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well i agree whit that
it woult be the same if HTC send virtus a pm asking them to stop using there work
when all comes to all it is all htc´s work all off it

god is capychimp

In this respect i can not use honey3d anymore! I am verry dissapointed now because of this ****ty scandal!
Now i think a lof of usesr are waiting for your new project capy!
All the best !
Aploagyze now for this post! I was just nervous and dissappointed!
mattmiller said:
Samuel told capy is was strictly his base and not unity. Capy asked in the honey3d forum about the base, and Samuel admitted it had pieces of unity wiring that was used, but not mentioned.
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[Only4Dev][Rom] Epic Sense Rom [AmendScript][RFS][Pre-Alpha]

Hello Angry Young people, I have being fighting to get this one working, But due to shortage of time and some personal Issues i could not.
Giving this out to Developers and Only Developers.
Package includes Kernel and Everything. (Amend Script) Green recovery should work perfect.
Please Users sit back and let some developer work on it make it ready for ur epic to eat, or else it might get stomach-aches .
Warning:
I m not responsible for any kind of damage happens to ur phone.
I hope ur anger coolz down a bit , i will be posting Miui booted rom SOON. dont ask when.
This is old Android 2.2 sense 2.1 rom.
ENJOY!!!!
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Don't Donate for this incomplete thing, i hope other devs make it more workable.
known Bugs -> too many to state

Well,well..a blast from the past! Thanks for the contribution. I watched the video you had several times and this looks most promising. Let's see who picks up the ball and runs with it. Hope all is well with you and thanks again.
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JohnCorleone said:
Well,well..a blast from the past! Thanks for the contribution. I watched the video you had several times and this looks most promising. Let's see who picks up the ball and runs with it. Hope all is well with you and thanks again.
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Mostly developers might give it a try -> asdfghjkl i think has already downloaded it
time to hand over MIUI as well

ahmgsk said:
Mostly developers might give it a try -> asdfghjkl i think has already downloaded it
time to hand over MIUI as well
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I know a dev who is very interested in both as well..been testing for asdfghjkl. Hopefully there's some things that will help.
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So, 3G? MMS? Camera? Video? Calls? What works? What doesn't?
1st page for the 1st time ever.

Is this the same as your "HTC Sense on Epic 4G" YouTube video?
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Original Android <3ers! said:
So, 3G? MMS? Camera? Video? Calls? What works? What doesn't?
1st page for the 1st time ever.
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nothing works
And yes its the same from the Video

Well, now that we have a release, we can have more people try and fix more things. Make the world go round. Thanks a lot.

Good to see u back
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If nothing works, do you mean it doesn't boot? OR just that its JUST sense and nothing else works...

Art2Fly said:
If nothing works, do you mean it doesn't boot? OR just that its JUST sense and nothing else works...
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He means it boots but no calls or text that kind of stuff.
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Pretty much what Esteway said, it's a Pre Alpha, but he managed to get Sense to boot which is a feat in itself so hopefully with this project the sky can be the limit.

AproSamurai said:
Pretty much what Esteway said, it's a Pre Alpha, but he managed to get Sense to boot which is a feat in itself so hopefully with this project the sky can be the limit.
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Yeah, check out the YouTube video "HTC Sense on Epic 4G". Its booting and actually looks pretty smooth.
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Thank u!
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You don't even know how happy this makes me :')
If someone gets this to work fully ill be so happy. Sense looks way nicer on the epic, and id much rather see sense 2.0 than sense 3.0 (mainly because its smoother.)
I came from and Evo so that's why this excites me so much.

Thank you so much ahmgsk. Is the miui build froyo or gingerbread?

erikkWTF said:
You don't even know how happy this makes me :')
If someone gets this to work fully ill be so happy. Sense looks way nicer on the epic, and id much rather see sense 2.0 than sense 3.0 (mainly because its smoother.)
I came from and Evo so that's why this excites me so much.
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Honestly, the Sense versions aren't that different. Main difference= Lockscreen which you can download from market as Agile Lock and also the carousel. I would like Sense 3.0, but it is exciting that they have 2.1 nevertheless.

Sense 3.0 lockscreen anybody....
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Agile lock cannot compare at all to the sense 3.0 lockscreen. The real sense 3.0 lockscreen has many integrated features like notification popups and a very nice music player in the normal one, and seperate ones for weather and facebook integration. Its the main reason I want sense on my epic. Also thanks to the developer, making me have good hopes for my phone. Not regretting picking the epic over the evo now. Hopefully in a few months we can have a fully working rom.

Yeah, this ROM looks pretty promising, I cant wait till all the bugs and kinks get worked out, sense on the epic would be pretty swell!!