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Hi guys,
I've noticed that if I plug my phone to the wall charger, when it reaches 95% it just stops charging. I can unplug it and plug it again, and I can reach 100% by repeating the process multiple times, but not in one sitting?
Is this normal? Does it happen to you? Does it get better?
Same here
(Using SuperAosp-ST 4.4)
i have that 2
I got to 98 once !
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Wow. So, is this some kind of feature or what?
frandavid100 said:
Wow. So, is this some kind of feature or what?
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as far as i know, its an known bug
Its by design - charging the battery to only 95% level & then the following discharge. It elongates the battery life. It should never charge to level's exceeding the above.
It's not a bug.
Most batteries lifespan drop if being on high voltage too long (100%)
So usually manufacturers will try to let it state it is fully charged before it even reach 100% to extend the lifespan of the battery.
But if you really want to see it charged fully you can do a battery stats wipe in recovery after a ROM flash. It will be able to charge to 100% fully.
Hope that helps.
navlem said:
It's not a bug.
Most batteries lifespan drop if being on high voltage too long (100%)
So usually manufacturers will try to let it state it is fully charged before it even reach 100% to extend the lifespan of the battery.
But if you really want to see it charged fully you can do a battery stats wipe in recovery after a ROM flash. It will be able to charge to 100% fully.
Hope that helps.
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tried this methode, but no success.
i come from a X10 and SE build in a charging algorithm: battery charged fully, hold this value for one hour and let the battery fall till it reaches 90% and charge again.
do you mean such methode to extend battery life??
the phone from my boss (i9020) charges to 100%, my (i9023) only to 96%
96% is ok, as i said, being in high voltage often kills the battery. 96% keeps it's lifespan much longer.
Being said that, even extremely low voltage kills the battery too. So usually your phone will die before the battery reach 0%
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From the FAQ post, in this very forum, which should be read before posting a new thread:
Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
The answer leads to this informative article about what your battery gauge is telling you, and why 100% is probably not what you want ...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/12/14/your-battery-gauge-is-lying-to-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
shamarama said:
Not this again
From the FAQ post, in this very forum, which should be read before posting a new thread:
Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
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While I thank you for your reply and linking to that article, that is a related issue but not exactly the same. The usual behaviour is for the battery to indicate a 100% charge and then drop to a lower level, as you bolded in your post. The behaviour I'm talking about is it never going over 95%.
Not a big difference, but enough to notice the change and ask about it. Don't you think?
I myself own a GT-I9020T & have never seen the charge levels exceed beyond 95%.
You are right, your description is subtly different than the post in the FAQ. I have to admit laziness in assuming that they would be one and the same 'problem' ... apologies if they're not.
Well, you did give useful info even though you thought it was an old, tired question. I can't see a reason to give apologies there
Turn the tethering on while charging; it'll charge the battery up to 100%
I think my Vibrant had the same issue / feature. It's probably a Samsung feature and not a bug.
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Mine hits 100pct sometimes but will always stop charging until it drops below 90. A good feature to save the battery. Makes 0 sense for it to be charging every time it drops 1pct for hours at night while on the charger.
I'm wondering if people seeing a difference in the overall charge cap is a matter of rom? I've been using cm for practically ever but I know some people are on stock. I'm sure it's possible something is modded in there to make sure it hits 100 before it stops.
Just a thought.
On nexus s with stock rom I was able to charge to 100%
bolabola118 said:
Turn the tethering on while charging; it'll charge the battery up to 100%
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LOL can someone confirm that?
richrach said:
On nexus s with stock rom I was able to charge to 100%
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maybe thats the problem, because the phone of my friend also charges to 100% (completly stock) mine only to 96% (NSCollab)
Does your phone require a bump charge to actually get the battery to 100%?
Unfortunately mine does. I had an incredible and am familiar with this process. Unfortunately my Charge told me that I was at 100% when it was really closer to about 60%. I know I was at ~60% b/c I turned the phone off and plugged it in and the batter icon showed about that percentage full.
Not too happy about this. It would suck if I have to have the phone off to get almost half my battery full.
Any fixes? Is it possible its just a fluke since this is one of my first couple initial charges?
Thanks in advance.
I havent had any problems like this. It could be that you got a bad battery...
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Does your phone require a bump charge to actually get the battery to 100%?
Unfortunately mine does. I had an incredible and am familiar with this process. Unfortunately my Charge told me that I was at 100% when it was really closer to about 60%. I know I was at ~60% b/c I turned the phone off and plugged it in and the batter icon showed about that percentage full.
Not too happy about this. It would suck if I have to have the phone off to get almost half my battery full.
Any fixes? Is it possible its just a fluke since this is one of my first couple initial charges?
Thanks in advance.
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The android battery meter isn't a pure percentage meter, it also uses statistical history and current useage to guage how much you have left. So if you turn the screen on and pull down the notification area the screen and cpu just went to full use from nill, and the battery is probably a little hot, so with little statistics yet the battery thinks its being drained super fast.
Unplug it when it tells you to and don't plug it in till it asks to be plugged in, this will get you the most accurate battery readings. Otherwise don't worry about it unless its telling you to unplug it and then giving you the low battery dance before you get to your first destination of the day or something terribly bad.
This happened twice today..
For e.g: If my battery is showing 15% and then i restart my phone it suddenly shows 50% remaining..
Am using Battery Indicator to show me in % how much is remaining (though even the htc battery shows the difference in this case)
Any idea why is this happening and how to solve this??
Oh and how to stop the: Show Me app?? Keeps restarting and sucking my battery..
Could someone please help me out here with this weird problem??
It keeps happening everytime i restart my Sensation..
Try wiping your battery stats from CWM.Then charge battery fully>drain fully>then charge again it should be calibrated. oh and use startup cleaner in the market.
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Try wiping your battery stats from CWM.Then charge battery fully>drain fully>then charge again it should be calibrated. oh and use startup cleaner in the market.
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Its a 1 day old Sensation.. Havent rooted it yet..
I saw the same with my mine. I allowed the battery to drain until the phone shut off and recharged over night to 100%. I did that for a few cycles and mine seems fine now.
The battery % indicators only show what the phone software *thinks* it currently is.
The Sensation battery ranges from approx 4200mV (full) to 3000mV (empty).
The problem is sometimes the phone thinks those numbers are different. E.g. when you turn on your phone for the very first time, or flash a new ROM, if your battery was half full at 3700mV the phone would then think that was the 100% level (why they say charge a battery fully for a long time before turning your phone on for the first time).
This leads to various funnies such as a battery seemingly staying full for ages (the phone thinks 100% is much less than 4200mV so until you drop to the phones level your battery %age doesn't go down), and seemingly rapid drains where you end up with less than 10% left - but probably find in reality if you left it your battery would go on for ages at 0%.
Over time it learns, but best to wipe your stats after a long charge so it knows that 4200mV is 100%, and then don't charge your phone again until it physically runs out of juice so it knows what is 0%.
Another useful tip is to install the free BatteryLife widget from CurveFish from the market. That shows you the current voltage level as well as %age, so armed with the knowledge that full = approx 4200mV and empty = approx 3000mV you get an exact idea of how much you have left.
Mine does the same thing even draining/charging for few cycles
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chrisw99 said:
The battery % indicators only show what the phone software *thinks* it currently is.
The Sensation battery ranges from approx 4200mV (full) to 3000mV (empty).
The problem is sometimes the phone thinks those numbers are different. E.g. when you turn on your phone for the very first time, or flash a new ROM, if your battery was half full at 3700mV the phone would then think that was the 100% level (why they say charge a battery fully for a long time before turning your phone on for the first time).
This leads to various funnies such as a battery seemingly staying full for ages (the phone thinks 100% is much less than 4200mV so until you drop to the phones level your battery %age doesn't go down), and seemingly rapid drains where you end up with less than 10% left - but probably find in reality if you left it your battery would go on for ages at 0%.
Over time it learns, but best to wipe your stats after a long charge so it knows that 4200mV is 100%, and then don't charge your phone again until it physically runs out of juice so it knows what is 0%.
Another useful tip is to install the free BatteryLife widget from CurveFish from the market. That shows you the current voltage level as well as %age, so armed with the knowledge that full = approx 4200mV and empty = approx 3000mV you get an exact idea of how much you have left.
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Yeah... I went to sleep with 100% charged and when i woke up it was yet 100% charged.. And when i check the battery stats it shows 0s but i was asleep for 8 hours.. Any way to solve this on an unrooted phone?
I had the same problem today too! Thought my battery was kicking ass...turns out it was 18% when I restarted my phone
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byrdman164 said:
I had the same problem today too! Thought my battery was kicking ass...turns out it was 18% when I restarted my phone
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What did you do about it?
Anyone know what to do about this to an unrooted phone??
Or is this a defective piece and i should get a replacement??
Mines has done the same but I haven't had the chance to calibrate it yet to know if that'll help. It has helped on previous phones. I don't think your device is defective though.
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Mines has done the same but I haven't had the chance to calibrate it yet to know if that'll help. It has helped on previous phones. I don't think your device is defective though.
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How do you calibrate an unrooted device??
I think it calibrates itself after a few charge/discharge cycles. Always charge it a lot longer than when the green light comes on (because if the phone thinks the 100% level is a lot lower than it should be, that green light may come on early), and for the first couple of charges let it dry out rather than topping up.
And install that BatteryLife widget from CurveFish, then you can look at the voltage. 4200mV = full, 3000mv = empty, regardless of what your battery %age says. Mine currently says 51% and 3753mV.
Having the same problem here, restarted my phone afew times now and the battery % keeps going up, then dropping rapidly! :s
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Hi everyone,
I've had my Sensation for about 14 months now and for the past month I've been having battery issues. Primarily, it's very quick to lose charge and will lose charge even while charging from the wall. First I bought a replacement battery but was still having the same issues. I've started using Better Battery Stats and Battery Monitor Widget but I don't have anything out of the ordinary running. In fact, not a lot is running at all. BMW has allowed me to see how the charging is going though which has been nice. During this period I have used Elegancia, Bruce's CM10, and am currently on ParanoidAndroid. All experienced the same issues.
Last night, for example, I put the phone on the charger at 16 percent. It charged up to 22 and then started the downward slide to death and I ended up waking up 35 minutes late.
Where do I go from here so I don't have to constantly be paranoid about my battery levels?
Sounds like you might need another battery. In better battery starts did you notice any unusual wake locks? This could drain a battery. But since it looses charge even when charging I'd think it was the battery. I personally was experiencing some battery issues myself finally I broke down and got a mugen 3800mah battery from mugen. It was expensive but really worth it for Me.with really heavy and constant use I get 20 hours out of my battery, with normal use I get two days. I'm also running paranoid Android rom. For me the big battery solved my issues. Only one draw back, it does make your phone thicker. New back included with battery. This didn't bother me much because of the excellent battery life I receive. Now I finally don't. Worry about battery. However it's expensive at about 95 dollars. But I was so fed up with poor battery life it was worth it for me. You have to be careful when buying inexpensive batteries because there are a lot of fakes going around. And the mah is not really what it says it is on the packages. You can test the battery and make sure it is what it's advertised to be. If you don't want to go with that large of a battery you can also try anker extended battery. It's a lot less expensive and is a good battery. I personally needed more juice so I went with the big battery. I know you said you replaced the battery but sometimes the bargain batteries go bad quickly. It makes me suspicious of the battery because it's even dropping while charging. This is strange. If you ruled out any apps or wake locks that might be draining the battery I would buy a good reliable battery. The draining while charging is a red flag. I'd say the battery is going bad. I don't at all regret my purchase of the big battery. It for me, solved my issues. I do Hope this helps and I wish you the best. Hopefully you will get your issue resolved soon.
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its either an issue with the battery or the battery reporting.
Only thing you can really try is to charge it up to 100%, wipe battery stats in recovery, then let it empty totally and charge it up again, see how its behaving. There is a chance that its the reporting that is off.
otherwise this looks like the battery is on its way out im afraid
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Sounds like you might need another battery. In better battery starts did you notice any unusual wake locks? This could drain a battery. But since it looses charge even when charging I'd think it was the battery. I personally was experiencing some battery issues myself finally I broke down and got a mugen 3800mah battery from mugen. It was expensive but really worth it for Me.with really heavy and constant use I get 20 hours out of my battery, with normal use I get two days. I'm also running paranoid Android rom. For me the big battery solved my issues. Only one draw back, it does make your phone thicker. New back included with battery. This didn't bother me much because of the excellent battery life I receive. Now I finally don't. Worry about battery. However it's expensive at about 95 dollars. But I was so fed up with poor battery life it was worth it for me. You have to be careful when buying inexpensive batteries because there are a lot of fakes going around. And the mah is not really what it says it is on the packages. You can test the battery and make sure it is what it's advertised to be. If you don't want to go with that large of a battery you can also try anker extended battery. It's a lot less expensive and is a good battery. I personally needed more juice so I went with the big battery. I know you said you replaced the battery but sometimes the bargain batteries go bad quickly. It makes me suspicious of the battery because it's even dropping while charging. This is strange. If you ruled out any apps or wake locks that might be draining the battery I would buy a good reliable battery. The draining while charging is a red flag. I'd say the battery is going bad. I don't at all regret my purchase of the big battery. It for me, solved my issues. I do Hope this helps and I wish you the best. Hopefully you will get your issue resolved soon.
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Argh. I hope it's not the replacement battery too. I got a replacement HTC battery. The problem I'm having getting anything useful from Better Battery Stats is that rarely am I off the charger. In the settings it says I can log while charging but it may mess up the stats so I've shied away from doing that. I'm not against getting a bigger, better battery but I would hate to do that and have it actually be something else hardware-wise where I would need to get rid of my phone.
Hawke84 said:
its either an issue with the battery or the battery reporting.
Only thing you can really try is to charge it up to 100%, wipe battery stats in recovery, then let it empty totally and charge it up again, see how its behaving. There is a chance that its the reporting that is off.
otherwise this looks like the battery is on its way out im afraid
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I'll give this a try if I can get it back up to 100%. Is the reporting in Recovery always correct? The battery never has issues charging while it's in Recovery mode. If that's the case then I'll charge it to 100% in recovery and then wipe and start fresh.
Thanks
I don't think it's the battery. This phones have errors in battery readings. I feel your pain man. Mine is from T-Mobile (Sensation 4G) and it discharges if I use it even at lowest brightness when it's charging too.
If I reboot, I get the battery boost. I have tried EVERYTHING I read here and nothing worked. I even have 4 batteries. All of them in good condition.
I even tried three times discharging it fully and without turning it on, charge it in the night and when I wake up 7-8 hours later, it's still charging. I tried wiping stats, changing ROMs, changing the usb cable and the charger. Everything... I believe it's a hardware issue. (Thank HTC for that) I'm not buying another HTC when I have to upgrade.
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I'll give this a try if I can get it back up to 100%. Is the reporting in Recovery always correct? The battery never has issues charging while it's in Recovery mode. If that's the case then I'll charge it to 100% in recovery and then wipe and start fresh.
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Interesting...so if you were to charge the phone in recoery how long do you think it would take to get to 100%?
I would definitely do what you said, charge in recovery then wipe battery stats and go from there.
If you're interested in having something to compare to, it takes my phone about 3 hours to charge to 100% (by the way I'm using an Anker extended capacity battery), with a peak current usually around 800 - 900 mA. Fully charged I have somewhere around 4100 mV. If you haven't already, I'd suggest adding a Battery Monitor widget with mA, mV, and % available being displayed and it will be pretty easy to get an idea what's going on.
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I don't think it's the battery. This phones have errors in battery readings. I feel your pain man. Mine is from T-Mobile (Sensation 4G) and it discharges if I use it even at lowest brightness when it's charging too.
If I reboot, I get the battery boost. I have tried EVERYTHING I read here and nothing worked. I even have 4 batteries. All of them in good condition.
I even tried three times discharging it fully and without turning it on, charge it in the night and when I wake up 7-8 hours later, it's still charging. I tried wiping stats, changing ROMs, changing the usb cable and the charger. Everything... I believe it's a hardware issue. (Thank HTC for that) I'm not buying another HTC when I have to upgrade.
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I'm leaning towards hardware issue too. That's why I figured I'd post and see if there was anything else that I can try. It's also why I don't really want to buy an expensive battery since who knows what it'll fit next. I know what you mean about the reboot battery boost. You can almost gamble and bet on percentages when you reboot. I've seen 50% swings before.
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Interesting...so if you were to charge the phone in recoery how long do you think it would take to get to 100%?
I would definitely do what you said, charge in recovery then wipe battery stats and go from there.
If you're interested in having something to compare to, it takes my phone about 3 hours to charge to 100% (by the way I'm using an Anker extended capacity battery), with a peak current usually around 800 - 900 mA. Fully charged I have somewhere around 4100 mV. If you haven't already, I'd suggest adding a Battery Monitor widget with mA, mV, and % available being displayed and it will be pretty easy to get an idea what's going on.
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In recovery I would guess that it wont take very long to charge to full. I have battery monitor widget installed and while plugged into the wall with my 1.0A charger, it will typically pull 100-200mA but sometimes it'll spike to 700-900mA. No rhyme or reason. When idling and functioning properly, without a charger plugged in it drops 9-100mA. Sometimes though while charging it'll sit at negative 100-200mA.
HA! Just rebooted my phone and it went from 68% to 100%. So I rebooted into recovery, it also said full so I wiped stats.
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In recovery I would guess that it wont take very long to charge to full. I have battery monitor widget installed and while plugged into the wall with my 1.0A charger, it will typically pull 100-200mA but sometimes it'll spike to 700-900mA. No rhyme or reason. When idling and functioning properly, without a charger plugged in it drops 9-100mA. Sometimes though while charging it'll sit at negative 100-200mA.
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I normally get 2 to 3 mA drain with the phone sleeping. When charging you may not necessarily get close to the 1 A current delivery of the charger straight away, typically it will ramp up over time and reach peak charge current as it gets closer to 100%. Once at 100% it wants to just "trickle" charge to maintain 100% charge until the charger is disconnected, so any wakelocks etc. that cause a current drain during that "trickle" charging will actually decrease battery charge until the charger ramps up to compensate for the drain. Random spikes in charging current would suggest a hardware problem where the electronics are struggling to properly govern the charging process, as would a large negative current drain with the charger plugged in. Silly question but what's the actual plug connection to your phone like? Nice and solid, pins all OK?
Hi, I just ran powercfg /batteryreport in CMD. The generated report states that after 30 charge cycles, my full charge capacity has dropped to 27,646mWh. the designed capacity is 31,502mWh, so my battery lost 12% of capacity in just 2 month!!
does your surface also suffer from serious battery capacity decrease? please run "powercfg /batteryreport" in non-elevated CMD and look at the report in C:\Users\*username* please post your result including full charge capacity and charge cycles.
Thanks!
mine is unchanged, reporting 16 cycles. I got the Surface 12/17 so I'm a week shy of two months myself.
I don't let my LiOn batteries deep cycle (drain down past 20%) if at all possible, as this reduces their lifespan.
Yeah my battery report says the same thing, even though I haven't noticed any lifespan decrease yet.
Mine has also dropped from 31,502 to 30,444 and 3 power cycles. Surely the battery can't be degrading already?!
At 34 cycles, mine has settled from 31.502 Wh to 30.214 Wh. It is very slowly losing capacity still (was at 30.740 for a few weeks in January) but seems to be mostly holding steady. The noticeable drops correspond to deep discharge cycles; I'll endeavour to avoid those.
Mines at 28472 with 38 charges. I got mine at launch 10/26/12. This is scaring me. Coincidentally I have noticed a decrease in battery life and was wondering if it had to do with the jailbreak as that is when I started noticing it.
47th cycle now, I still have 30,281mWh. I got my Surface RT at around 25th Dec.
29,415 after 47 cycles. Pre-ordered mine, arrived around launch date. This does seem very weird, batteries really shouldn't do that. Anyone have any experience with getting one replaced? Hopefully this isn't a problem Microsoft wont acknowledge.
cant seem to find my stats.. it only says mwh without numbers.. what the hell?
Mine seems to be worst here. After 24 cycle count, I'm down to 26,729. I do let the battery drain all the way - may be that's my problem.
I've had my Surface since Oct of last year.
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cant seem to find my stats.. it only says mwh without numbers.. what the hell?
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Montastic said:
Mine seems to be worst here. After 24 cycle count, I'm down to 26,729. I do let the battery drain all the way - may be that's my problem.
I've had my Surface since Oct of last year.
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That might be the issue perhaps, I have never allowed my battery to drain 100% or 100% charged for too long.
Mine is still at 30k range despite 49th cycle
I am extremely upset about this - in only 25 cycles, my battery capacity has gone from 31,502mWh down to 24,154mWh. And to top it off, I have been wondering why it seems the battery life isnt that good anymore. Is this permanent, or can you condition your battery by not allowing it to drain as much?
I have been letting it drain all the way down, and when i charge it, i plug it in overnight. Obviously this is the wrong way, WTF - you would think that they would tell you about this in manual, etc.
To be fair, this has been common knowledge for literally as long as laptops have been using Li-Ion batteries (well over a decade). I agree that it should perhaps be better documented for those who have somehow never before encountered a LiIon battery, but acting like this is some never-before-heard-of consequence of hard-draining your battery is... weird.
Leaving it plugged in all night is fine; the charger is pretty smart about handling that. Just try not to let the charge level drop below 10% (ideally, not below 20%, just for some safety margin) and you should be fine.
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The charging system is smart enough to not overcharge, so you don't need to worry about this.
No one should be "reconditioning" or deep cycling batteries anymore - at least not if they are LiOn/LiPoly.
Got mine 11/4, 22 cycles, down to 25,xxx. Pretty disappointing considering I don't let it die all of the way. I'm hoping this is just an OS reading issue.
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Mines at 28472 with 38 charges. I got mine at launch 10/26/12. This is scaring me. Coincidentally I have noticed a decrease in battery life and was wondering if it had to do with the jailbreak as that is when I started noticing it.
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I turned off all low battery alerts and forced the battery to run completely dead, and recharged, and now mine has gone up a few points to 28,579 from 28472, with 39 charges, so I think it needs to be reset once in awhile. I however was not aware that leaving it to charge all night and using while plugged in could hurt the battery as others said - Still question that logic. I also have used it to the point of turning off but because Win8 has adjustible power options to force it to turn off when it reaches a certain battery level, I am not sure any of us run the battery down to nothing.
i just wish we could get a stupid battery ap/utility that would tell us battery life left in percentage or something to help us monitor it better.
i just wish we could get a stupid battery ap/utility that would tell us battery life left in percentage or something to help us monitor it better.
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+ 1000
Got mine on release, I've fully discharges mine about 3 or 4 time mistakenly, cycle count 49, full charge capacity 29,985, given this I've altered my battery plan to give a warning (low battery level) at 20% rather than 6% and to shut down (critical level) at 15% rather than 3%.
Oddly enough, my battery plan has never been adjusted so theoretically it should never drop below 3% yet my battery report clearly identifies it dropping to 1% at one point.
So, are you guys telling me that I should try letting it drain down to 0 and then recharging it to see if it is simply an issue with calibration?
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