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So we all remember when dual core CPUs for computers first became mainstream back in about 2004… Everyone had to have one but almost no software was written to use them. So it was almost all bragging rights and no real world performance. Then 1 to 2 years later when software did come out that could take advantage of multiple cores those first dual cores CPUs were obsolete and a joke.
Will the same thing be true with dual core phones or will they be useful right away? Can Android currently utilize dual cores?
And this is not a guy with a single core phone trying to feel better about it. I have an old droid 1 and am ready to buy a new phone now; I am all but set to wait for the Bionic but I'm questioning if the dual core will really mean that much when it’s out.
Theres absolutely no advantage. they're nothing more but a placebo effect and all of the hundreds of benchmarks showing the brute strength of dual cores are fake. you're better off buying a first gen snapdragon like the toshiba tg01, xperia x10, nexus one, etc., or sticking with your droid pro. don't buy into the hype. id say wait until we have an octa-core THEN it'll be worth it.
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So we all remember when dual core CPUs for computers first became mainstream back in about 2004… Everyone had to have one but almost no software was written to use them. So it was almost all bragging rights and no real world performance. Then 1 to 2 years later when software did come out that could take advantage of multiple cores those first dual cores CPUs were obsolete and a joke.
Will the same thing be true with dual core phones or will they be useful right away? Can Android currently utilize dual cores?
And this is not a guy with a single core phone trying to feel better about it. I have an old droid 1 and am ready to buy a new phone now; I am all but set to wait for the Bionic but I'm questioning if the dual core will really mean that much when it’s out.
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As of right now, only in some small circumstance with certain games. I say wait until Android is really ready to utilize dual core and for second gen hardware. Right now it's mostly hype and bragging rights....
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Hmm. I want the Incredible 2!
Um, hate to break it to you, but Android is multi core optimized in the first place, so dual cores will have a pretty major impact on the flow and operation of the OS itself.
op has a very good point.
Goodthing I can be content with my HD2 for a few years.
IMO it's really for the games, and I'd rather play hi def games on my computer at home.
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Um, hate to break it to you, but Android is multi core optimized in the first place, so dual cores will have a pretty major impact on the flow and operation of the OS itself.
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Yes. True. But as of now no apps (with the exception of the Tegra Zone (whatever) none are taking advantage. It really still is only bragging rights. Maybe in the next
year when everyone else catches up.
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wattttttttt
Android 3.0, the kernel itself lacks true understanding of both cores. It can see them, and code can be launched to either available CPU thread, but it is as yet not managing those threads, and the queue manager launches ALL applications to core 1 regardless of its load. It manages threads on core 1 just fine, but it does not manage core 2. (This explains my point perfectly quote from a poster on ars technica)
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lude219 said:
Theres absolutely no advantage. they're nothing more but a placebo effect and all of the hundreds of benchmarks showing the brute strength of dual cores are fake. you're better off buying a first gen snapdragon like the toshiba tg01, xperia x10, nexus one, etc., or sticking with your droid pro. don't buy into the hype. id say wait until we have an octa-core THEN it'll be worth it.
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you might be right
* pats his thunderbolt* meh I'm perfectly satisfied with this one.
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Well,there is much more to dual-core chipsets than just the CPU itself.Much more powerful GPUs,faster or dual-channel memories(RAM),larger RAM,usually a BETTER CPU(Not mentioning the second core,rather the fact that the cores themselves are evolutions of the single core ones) and the list can go on.Don't just hear only about the two CPU cores,that's a small piece of the mosaic.
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
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As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
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I currently have an iPhone 4 and have an upgrade available but if I had to choose another phone to upgrade to the only option I would really choose is the Infuse 4g, or (if I wait) the iPhone 5 or GalaxySII in September.
I love the IPS high resolution display of the iPhone 4 and the only way someone could get me to switch is with a phone that has greater outdoor readability such as SuperAmoled+. Atrix and Inspire screens just dont cut it for me.
AudioMaster13 said:
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
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Just upgraded from captivate to infuse and loving it...even though this thing is basically a giant captivate with a major upgraded battery, front facing camera and amazing 8 megapixal camera...this phone feels so smooth and zips... dunno if its the 1.2 gigahertz processor or just the software, though one thing i miss about my captivate is the ROM support we are starting slow in that regard but are recruiting some of the best developers from other phones so expect big things from developers on the infuse
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Atrix has a locked bootloader and is therefore not worth buying.
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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This would only be true if the software (OS and apps) were optimized for the dual core. At this point they are not and dual core phones seem to be eating batteries like candy.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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gross over simplification. now when the phone sleeps (most of the time if it is your pocket) you need to support 2 cores, not one.
also your example up there wont happen in the real world. the cpu governor wont just go to 50% and give up as to compare it to another processor. also the 2 cores will never be at similar levels and im sure they are not independantly scalable just yet. data is processed in threads. the end of the thread cant be processed before the begining it need to be done from start to finnish. although, with a pc that has hyper threading it may be able to interupt the thread to start another one and finish the first thread later you cant parellelize everything, multi core and hyper threading are much more effective if many applications are running or applications have processes that can be parallelized and are written to run then that way in multiple threads. what will happen with the simpler arm chips is more likely that there will always be one core working hard (not always the same core) and the driver will force the other core to run at the same frequency(not even the gpu is scalable independant of cpu on any platform i know of, i doubt each core is scalable independantly on the dual core stuff) but it will only be working maybe 30% of the time on shorter threads. for your assumption to be correct you would need applications written in for multi threading and more sophistication in the way the cpus are handled and a governor tuned explicitly for battery life.
dual core may reduce lag when you have a background service running though. that may feel like a significant performance increase even if the cores aren't being fully utilized, this may help with using the phone as a wifi hotspot, or downloading files while playing games. i dont think we should go beyond 2 cores for a while on phones because it is difficult to run multiple applications at the same time with little screen real estate, and any multi tasking will leave most applications idle most of the time. the whole os has been tuned for less lag even on slower hardware. that usually means fewer threads that may be longer. my home pc is a 3 core, i could have had a 4 core or waited for 6+ core but the real world difference is dependant on so many things, i just didnt see the point.
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
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Okay my bad I actually remember my 3 gay school mate always use that word on my college years, nothing wrong being gay just saying I just remember.
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I thought one of the main disadvantages of WP7 has been inferior hardware.
For the original release Microsoft only supported the old snapdragon CPU with 1Ghz and Adreno 200.
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
How are they going to keep up with Android if they continue offering inferior hardware specs? Or did I miss something?
I wish they do relase one which does. but they dont need dual core for the os so why burden the battery
"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
However I would really like to have dual core phone,jut like to think that I have one of the fastest phones. But its true windows os is so smooth it wont make a perfermonce differnece, only thing that can help is using NAND memory instead of SD. Howver I want a better GPU so we can play faster games with good FPS and better quality, not saying that the quality is poor atm its great but it can always improve.
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"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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to be frank, the average customer knows a superficial knowledge of cell phones...and many still market dumb phones as the approach for all user needs. Nokia has addressed the h/w issues ad nauseum, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nokia would be the first wp7 with a dual core. In fact, I would love to grab a Nokia phone...
i thought of your point too
its true the specs are taken in consideration
but currently im not aware of any device that stand out..
i think the average people would think
2x cores = 2x power needed = half the battery
battery is a major aspect
so still, why build a dual core if nothing is using it, besides the battery
like i said, android may be able to to make their os fast & fluid
but why cant they do it on the current specs
you simply dont need heavy processin unit on your mobile device, as long as you wont do heavy processin on the device. the phone wont need it, but the tablet does.
the average user is used to windows
the average user uses the phone for not much more then phone, text, surf, game.
last but not least, the price, i dont know much about dual core phones (do they already exists?) but double the cores, may raise the price by a lot.
this year we wont need no dual cores....
To be honest, I never really felt the need of such a powerful processor in a phone. What can you use it for apart from games with high graphics?
I'm sure opening office docs, web pages, utility apps, music...everything at once still won't slow down the processes. It's a phone guys. Not a desktop PC.
Many years ago, I had a 1.2 GHz CPU running windows XP, which in fact ran heavy programs without any lag. And today, our phones have 1GHz CPU running a phone OS and apps that hardly go above 50mb.
What's the need, seriously?
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
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Well just like you said they have added support for new processors but neither of the new ones are dual core. We've heard rumors that ST-Ericsson will be supplying dual core chips for Nokia's Windows Phones but for now Qualcomm says they're the only WP7 manufacturer.
I don't doubt Windows Phone will see dual core support in the future. I have a feeling that Nokia won't be launching their Windows Phone alongside the others in September/October, but later in November or even December. That's when I think we'll see the first dual core Windows Phone. (Just speculation. No evidence for this.)
dtboos said:
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Aye Why I know the phone I want is easily within reach. That would be more than powerful enough for the next couple years. This is also why I was excited about the Nokia deal because they have some excellent quality hardware & optics in some of their phones.
Android needs dual-core because the OS is so cluttered and filled with junk. WP7 phone have "inferior hardware" yet still run smoother than any Android phone would.
yea it should b strong
hey guys,
i just wanted to ask if its worth buying a dual core phone right now .. since no apps that are out now, really make use of the dual core processor.
i was thinking of buying either the SAMSUNG GALAXY R or the SONY ERICSSON XPERIA NEO V ..
so i was wondering if i really need the galaxy R (1GHZ dual core and 1GB of RAM).. or should i just stick to neo V(1GHZ single core and 512MB ram) as i'd be saving about a 60$.. other than that both phones are very similar .. i.e both are getting ICS .. both a 5MP camera.. etc..
please give me your suggestions as i just cant make up my mind !!
GALAXY R or NEO V ??
I think it really depends. I think Android ICS for example could handle the dual core chips a bit better than Gingerbread, but OEMS do try to customize the OS so it can handle resources as needed. All it does really is to speed up multitasking and other resource intensive apps. My biggest concern is how much more bloatware the OEMs and wireless carriers put onto the device, thus making it buggy and slower than it should. So in the end it wouldn't matter if u had a dual core or single core, 512 or 1GB RAM, it would depend how buggy you want the phone to be. It may not be buggy out of the box, but once u begin using it in the real world (downloading apps, making calls while surfing the web, playing games, etc) it could begin to run a bit slower.
Personally, I don't really think a dual core chip is needed if the OS is streamlined enough where it can handle and allocate resources when it needs them. With the combination of dual core chips, 4G HSPA+ and LTE, i would argue that you would be sacrificing some battery life.
If you are going with Android, i would say to spring for the dual core chipset since it seems thats where software is headed. As a WP7 user, it doesn't bother me using a single core chip. The OS runs very fluid and it can intelligently manage its resources. I trust ICS will manage resources as needed too.
As far as RAM, it is always good to have more RAM in the device. If you go with the phone with beefier specs then u know that it will last you longer as far as support for the device, updates, etc.
Hope u r not bothered by me being a WP7 user and giving u advice for Android. I do have an Android tablet that i do use from time to time. It has a sinlge core chipset and it does run fairly smooth, for an Android device that is. My friend has a MyTouch 4G and it runs fairly smooth, but at times i notice it lags.
I would say to play around with them in the store and compare the two side by side.
I would hold off until after the MWC where everyone will be showing the new quad core phones that will become the standard.
@TKETZ196
thanks a lot that kinda did clear a few things..
so i'm starting to lean towards the dual core phone.. guess there's no arguing its more future proof..
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@TKETZ196
thanks a lot that kinda did clear a few things..
so i'm starting to lean towards the dual core phone.. guess there's no arguing its more future proof..
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Its not really future proof with quadcore phones coming out. Once they do we will all be in the same boat we are in now. Apps and OS updates will be tailored for the quadcore instead of the dual core.
ok but they do stand a better chance compared to the single core ones right ! i'm looking at a phone that should last me another year and a half atleast.
given the choices that i have in the mid range budget i want to know if the GALAXY R is a good candidate to place my money on.. given that its one of the very few nice dual core phone in the price bracket other than optimus 2x.
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ok but they do stand a better chance compared to the single core ones right ! i'm looking at a phone that should last me another year and a half atleast.
given the choices that i have in the mid range budget i want to know if the GALAXY R is a good candidate to place my money on.. given that its one of the very few nice dual core phone in the price bracket other than optimus 2x.
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Will they last. Oh of course. Just like the single core does now. It still works and you can still get apps for it. Will it be upgradable to newer OSs maybe maybe not. Can't know for sure. Only Google knows that for sure. If upgrades are what you are worried about then get a nexus as it will get them for sure. Anything else is up to the carriers or running a custom rom. I am waiting for a quadxore myself this way I know I would t have to worry about to many hardware restrictions. But all in all do some research before making a choice. Mainly keep an eye on MWC. Remember phones are already outdated by the time we get them and the next Gen are already being worked on.
Dual-Core is imo just Marketing. Nobody needs the power in normal use of the phone. If you play games this will be different, but at least playing games on 4" Devices isn't the funniest thing.
Tablets with Dual-Core and Quad-Core SoC's are the future, and to be state of the Art Dual-Core Smartphone SoC's will be Standard 2012.
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Dual-Core is imo just Marketing. Nobody needs the power in normal use of the phone. If you play games this will be different, but at least playing games on 4" Devices isn't the funniest thing.
Tablets with Dual-Core and Quad-Core SoC's are the future, and to be state of the Art Dual-Core Smartphone SoC's will be Standard 2012.
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i agree, but going multi-core is the future. it all depends on what apps you intend to run on your device. i just hope that battery technology can cope up with the rapid pace of mobile with multi-processors.
your unit may be uber quad-core fast, but would that last you for a day?
It's just a question of use.
If you only use your phone to text, phone, and a little web surfing, just stay on a single core.
If you want to have an advanced use of it, playing games, web surfing fluently with flash plugins, an interface with smooth scrollings...And with evolving capacities, like said before, on new versions of ROMS with plenty of possibilities, just go for it. May be you will keep your device longer, and it will worth your extra 60 bucks.
You just have to find the good ratio use/long lasting/short lasting/speed.
A non dual core phone is like buying a non dual core computer only do it if it's your only option.
IMHO
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Dual core definitely has its advantages especially running ICS where there is a demand for more power
GPU,s respond better with dual core tech..will be quite a while before quad core takes hold so dual is the way to go for at least a year..more like six months though I would expect.
It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
HTC One X phone gets quad-core CPU -- except in U.S.
Progress doesn't come without a price and in the case of the new HTC One X smartphone, the price of running on AT&T's 4G LTE network in the U.S. will be a downgrade from a quad-core processor to a dual-core CPU.
The HTC One X will sit at the top of a new line of One smartphones, which the Taiwanese electronics maker showed off for the first time at the Mobile World Congress event in Barcelona.
The One X will sport a huge 4.7-inch touchscreen with 1,280 x 720 pixel resolution, 32 gigabytes of built-in storage, 1 gigabyte of RAM and an 8-megapixel/1080p rear camera. It'll also run Google's Android Ice Cream Sandwich operating system, topped with HTC's Sense user interface.
And when it begins to arrive at retailers in April, the One X will be part of a growing trend in Android handsets that feature quad-core processors, except for the U.S. variation, which will be called the One XL in Asia and Australia.
The U.S. version, which will be sold by AT&T, will ship with a 1.5-gigahertz, dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon processor rather than the quad-core Nvidia Tegra 3 processor. Dual-core is still plenty fast, but the difference is a bit disappointing as there are no quad-core phones sold here yet.
The reason for the CPU switcheroo is that Nvidia's processor lacked compatibility with AT&T's 4G LTE hardware when the One X was being developed. As first reported by CNet, phones with quad-core Tegra 3 chips and AT&T 4G LTE capability will arrive eventually, but the timing was off for the One X.
Another major feature for the One X and One XL will be the inclusion of Beats Audio, which HTC says will offer a better listening experience for music, videos and games. After all, what's the point of a $300-million deal with Beats By Dr. Dre if Beats Audio technology doesn't make it into your flagship phone?
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Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
HTC One X is an exquisite device that boasts the best of what current mobile technology has to offer, housing an NVIDIA quad-core Tegra 3 processor and featuring Android 4.0 with the HTC’s Sense 4.0 UI.
Other features of the HTC One X include:
Dimensions: 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm, 130 grams
Micro SIM
4.7″ HD LCD screen, with gorilla glass protection
1280×720 resolution
1.5 Ghz quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor
1 GB RAM
32 GB built-in memory, no microSD slot
8MP rear camera with ImageSense, 1.3MP front camera
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
NFC support
1800 mAH battery
Beats Audio integration
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Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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Well the concern is that all of these devices were to come solely as Quad Cores and there was a specific price point for it because of that, carriers in the US are known for changing the price point because they can get customers to pay the original price of the Quad Cores for the Dual Cores.
This pushes the price of the Quads up a little hitting our pockets and they realize our community will go after the better of the two, I think HTC should have just forced the carriers hand to work on the quad cores instead of giving them the option of downgrading the hardware.
Well T-Mobile is moving to LTE...invasion, I feel you pain bro, I wish I had enough money to buy an unlocked quad core but I would rather go to college lol. Anyway, I heard the quad core isn't better than the snapdragons
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invasion2 said:
Interesting find I too wonder how all of this will turn out. I'd rather get it unlocked with quad. But I'm 14 and don't have that money haha.
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You're 14?
And I'm in college and don't plan on spending that type of money on a phone ever, I'd much rather buy a tablet, which I will soon be doing. Going for the new Asus tabs as soon as they come out.
Orical said:
It seems that there are a few carriers out there still having a hard time working with the advancements of Quad-Core devices and though the processors being used (Tegra 3 chips) aren't what we're use too (Snapdragons) there are a few carriers worried about whether or not they will be able to write software right away either.
Story found here for more information and further links:http://www.latimes.com/business/tec...hanks-to-att-4g-lte-20120227,0,6217626.story
Personally my concern is that T-Mobile is picking up the One as well and even though T-Mo doesn't support LTE service this can still put us T-Mo customers at a disadvantage if the devices come to us as Dual-Cores. I've had my MT4G for a while now and though I got it for cheap money it's getting old as any phones life depletes in our community fairly fast considering the amount of flashing we all do, but with this being an option for the carriers including our own this might effect the cost between the Quad and Dual versions.
Well lets see where this puts us in a month or so but for now it looks like I'm buying a new extended-life battery online somewhere till the dust settles.
Example of what it should be.... But with a SD card slot....
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Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.
How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.
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How many times will I have to write it... It just means that your average journalist is no less stupid than your average customer, and can't do a basic research. It might be forgivable for customers, some of which are just 14-year-old kids with no understanding of anything, but it's less forgivable for journalists who should at least pretend having a brain.
Here's a comparison between dual-core S4 and quad-core T3 by Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Looks like Tegra3 will have a hard time even trying to keep up.
And the funniest thing is that One S, if HTC won't cripple it intentionally, will be way more powerful than One X - because it will have both the CPU speed advantage and, with lower resolution, GPU advantage.
Plus, it's VERY old news already.
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Its not worth it....
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Don't be fooled by the number of cores a phones has. The AT&T One X has a next gen S4 Dual-core cpu which is based off the ARM A15 core unlike the Tegra 3 which based on ARM A9 cores. The Qualcomm S4 Dual-core are as fast and in some cases faster then Tegra 3 4+1 cpu's due to the newer chip design. Its not a downgrade by any means.
T-mobile is getting the One S. That particular phone has always been specked with the S4 Dual-core cpu and will be HSPA+ 42 capable.
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My intention of posting this is to show how the market is effected over a network of carriers and manufacturers when product is effected by the investment through marketing and demand, as it's stated in the main post the chips were not going to work with the software planed for them so in turn they changed the device to run a better core (though half of what was originally advertised) to prevent having to re-write the framework.
If the case were specific to the fact that the Tegra chips were going to be the problem then why not pony up for the quad core snapdragons and boost the price for the device as they always have in the past, it's not like they're worried about what their going to charge the consumer as that's never been the case. Personally I would have just waited for a contract deal and weighed my options when it was time, I'm not one to just run out and buy something just because the "Advertised public hype" says it's the best thing since sliced bread I wait to see what happens after the lust settles to get the facts.
Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
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Quad-core Snapdragons were not on the market yet (and you can see that there are no devices with those scheduled to arrive at the time of release for One X/S), thus they couldn't be utilized, making your point void. AFAIK, Qualcomm's competitor to T3 is dual-core S4, and this is what the device manufacturers will be choosing from, until the quad-core phone-oriented S4 will arrive. The current 8064 is not suggested for LTE phone configuration - read this article, it'll help to understand, why:
http://gigaom.com/mobile/qualcomm-no-quad-core-phones-at-mwc-but-well-have-something-better/
The carriers had their choice, and chose what they thought would suit them the best, considering the time-to-market, the potential performance/battery life differences etc. That some journalist thinks their choice was wrong - doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
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Obviously there's a miss communication on how marketing works here, even though they may not have had the option previously doesn't mean they don't have it now. Point is valid. Now that I think of it the Snapdragons have been around for the minimum of a year and the Tegra have been used for twice that and if you read the what you posted it doesn't say the tegra cant do it but it states that it would do it poorly draining battery. I agree with you on that but your missing my point entirely which is with the options they have their going to use other reasons to charge the consumer for over looked issues they can and have the ability to change now.
And another thing though it seems to be old news too you others still have yet to see it, this is why people don't post anything they read anymore because some people have no problem trying to shoot down anything posted before a discussion actually produces anything constructive.
Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.
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Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you don't understand how the market works - and I'm leaning for the 2nd option. For marketing to have something to show off and plan on, you have to have the actual HW (phone, that is) in the final readiness stage, which means that the HW has been developed for at least 1/2 year ahead of that time. 1 year from CPU manufacturing to phone sales is very good, 9 months is INCREDIBLY OUTSTANDING. Having the CPU ready at point X in time doesn't mean it can be used at that point - it means it can be used at the very least 9 months from that point. There are NO other phones and NOTHING to choose from 9 months ago - but the 2 choices you see now. The only other choice would be to skip international phone launch and wait until either T3+LTE modem combo of some kind is made functional (which could be already done, but we're talking 9 months time ahead, yes?), or to wait until Qualcomm prepares its quad-core for phones (which could also be already done, but again, 9 months ago it wasn't). So, let's see, what would you choose - participate in worldwide launch and use an equally powerful (if not even more powerful) version of the phone sporting LTE support to boot, which nobody else gets, or skip the launch. Oh well, let me think, a very hard choice, is it.
What also causes me to doubt you know what you're talking about, is the fact that Snapdragon-based phones have been around Android since Jan 2010 (Nexus One), and Tegra chipset saw first wide use only in its 2nd version, in Jan 2011 (Optimus 2X), a year later, and a couple more months till it was officially available in US. So it's actually 2 years of VERY widespread use for Snapdragon vs 1 year of spotty use (more tablets than phones - barely 2 phones or so, Atrix and Optimux 2X) for Tegra 2. Just the opposite of what you wrote.
For having smart discussions, there is a small prerequisite - both sides should know what they're talking about quite well. On this board, such a situation is rarely encountered. So sometimes it's better that people don't just run here posting everything they saw somewhere on the internet - especially if it's a 2nd-grade non-professional article in "business" section of some newspaper, and not a professional analysis article on one of the dedicated HW and Android-related sites.
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Wow how's that high perception of yourself. Im actually surprised how easy it is for you to judge a top paid news publicist. I'll just leave the rest for you to continue your rant on how well educated you are and how well business does for you.
I'm not some kid with nothing better to do than sit around and rant, I saw the post which I placed as a reason to see what people thought, it shows the type of people that come on line though.
"Top paid publicist" is paid to make news items, not objective analysis. Objective analysis mostly doesn't interest people, it doesn't play with their emotions (which is usually a prerequisite for creating interest). To make interesting news, you need to forcibly inflate just about any issue you're writing about, in such way that would steer people's emotions. This is exactly what you're seeing in the newspaper.
And yes, being a "top paid engineer" that happens to work in this industry, makes you kinda judgmental. I understand that you don't have valid arguments left. OK then.
hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0
Bangincrazy said:
hmm tmo updated their account app to support android 4.0
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Lol, old news. I said this in one of the dev threads about a week ago. This means some device, whether it's the sensation about to update or the one s is about to come out on T-Mo soon, will give us official ICS on T-Mo, meaning we're going to get wifi calling for ICS finally.