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I saw somebody mention that Zinio is included in the 3.1 update. Is this correct?
I had previously installed it with directions here, but it's a little funky. First, it gave me about eleven sample magazine issues. The size of the magazines on the library screen seems to be a little off and the app is otherwise quirky.
Everyone experiencing this, or was it because I had the other version installed? Any way to fix this?
Thanks!
As of today, Zinio is up on the market. Should be able to grab it on 3.0.
Yes, Zinio was part of the 3.1 update.
Gary13579 said:
As of today, Zinio is up on the market. Should be able to grab it on 3.0.
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Cool, I'll just remove it and reinstall just to make sure everything is okay.
It keeps freezing on me when I try to open a Magazine for more info. Cant delete it as well since it came with 3.1. Going to try to install it from the app store as it keeps telling me to update it.
I kind of wish all of these free applications weren't pushed out to us. Especially since you can find most of these apps on the Market if you want them anyway. I have no use for Zinio and don't feel like rooting just to remove it. Though, compared to my DX, I definitely can't complain about bloatware. And, to be honest, most of the "bloat" added by ASUS has proved to be quite useful
Updated the version from market and it's works!
Free magazines.............hmmm....not bad!
Keep it up Asus...I love your bloat wares
First....free newspapers and now free magazines....hahaha....iPad 2 Killer!
Can anybody confirm that the preinstalled version includes the free magazine subscription offer detailed in Zinio's press release?
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...roid-market-for-tablet-devices-122859609.html
If not, might be worth trying to install the app first, then let it upgrade when Asus' update hits for the US market...
The free newspapers thing is a total waste of time for me -- seven free issues is next to nothing. A free two year subscription to one of 25 magazine (or is it all 25? The press release isn't clear) seems quite worthwhile though.
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Can anybody confirm that the preinstalled version includes the free magazine subscription offer detailed in Zinio's press release?
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...roid-market-for-tablet-devices-122859609.html
If not, might be worth trying to install the app first, then let it upgrade when Asus' update hits for the US market...
The free newspapers thing is a total waste of time for me -- seven free issues is next to nothing. A free two year subscription to one of 25 magazine (or is it all 25? The press release isn't clear) seems quite worthwhile though.
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I installed the application from the market, and I have 23 magazines in my collection, apparently. I don't thinks it's a year subscription, but just the most recent edition of each magazine.
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All Android users who download Zinio before June 15 will automatically be given – for free – 24 of the latest issues of top magazines across all major genres
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I installed from the Market, much better. The 3.1 update must not have liked me already having it installed.
HOWEVER, it will let me uninstall the new one (the good version) but not the old version.
Any way to remove this without flashing my device? It's not a big deal, just an icon under apps but I'd like to get rid of it.
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I installed the application from the market, and I have 23 magazines in my collection, apparently. I don't thinks it's a year subscription, but just the most recent edition of each magazine.
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And suddenly the lightbulb came on. Of course you're right, the way it was phrased just threw me off. It's one issue of each magazine listed. (Well, they've actually listed 25 magazines as included, and per your own experience there are only 23 available, but near enough the same thing.)
...which to me is a complete waste of time, and makes me again wish Asus would stop jamming this bloat down our throats. Like the newspapers, it is one more thing I'll never use, and one more icon obscuring the apps I actually do want to use. (Not to mention wasting space and resources on my tablet.)
Thus far the only thing I've found worthwhile among Asus' preinstalled apps is Splashtop Remote Desktop, and that can currently be bought standalone for just 99 cents.
I really wish Asus would give us a version without all the bloatware installed, and just let us buy our own apps. Saving a few cents on the one app I do use isn't worth it to me to have all the other junk I'll never touch on there too...
Probably because Zinio pays them per install or account created from one of their devices...
(I'm guessing.)
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I installed from the Market, much better. The 3.1 update must not have liked me already having it installed.
HOWEVER, it will let me uninstall the new one (the good version) but not the old version.
Any way to remove this without flashing my device? It's not a big deal, just an icon under apps but I'd like to get rid of it.
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You can freeze or uninstall it if you're rooted and have Titanium Backup (need Pro version to freeze)
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Probably because Zinio pays them per install or account created from one of their devices...
(I'm guessing.)
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Yup, that's usually the case with this kind of bloat -- the manufacturer gets paid to put it all on there, in the hopes that it'll lead to you paying the software company to use the product that's stuck on your machine.
I doubt they're getting paid much to stick all the junk on, though, and I'd happily pay $10-15 to have it all taken back off.
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And suddenly the lightbulb came on. Of course you're right, the way it was phrased just threw me off. It's one issue of each magazine listed. (Well, they've actually listed 25 magazines as included, and per your own experience there are only 23 available, but near enough the same thing.)
...which to me is a complete waste of time, and makes me again wish Asus would stop jamming this bloat down our throats. Like the newspapers, it is one more thing I'll never use, and one more icon obscuring the apps I actually do want to use. (Not to mention wasting space and resources on my tablet.)
Thus far the only thing I've found worthwhile among Asus' preinstalled apps is Splashtop Remote Desktop, and that can currently be bought standalone for just 99 cents.
I really wish Asus would give us a version without all the bloatware installed, and just let us buy our own apps. Saving a few cents on the one app I do use isn't worth it to me to have all the other junk I'll never touch on there too...
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Actually had Zinio on my iPad and enjoyed it. Wife had cheap o magazine and I had car and driver magazine quite cheap.
As for splashtop our version can be set to the ASIs resolution of 1280x800 whereas the market version only goes to 1024x768. So I don't consider any of it bloatware but rather good apps I would have purchased anyway.
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You can freeze or uninstall it if you're rooted and have Titanium Backup (need Pro version to freeze)
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Thanks.
Well, that kind of sucks. I don`t want to root just for that.
Keep getting error with preinstalled bloatware "zinio reader". I went to the market and DLd "zinio" which seems to be the same exact thing as zinio reader except a much larger app. The mags are free which is pretty cool but once they aren't free I'll be deleting that ish' stop the bloatware!!!
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It keeps freezing on me when I try to open a Magazine for more info. Cant delete it as well since it came with 3.1. Going to try to install it from the app store as it keeps telling me to update it.
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That's what it's doing to me too.
bleclair said:
I installed from the Market, much better. The 3.1 update must not have liked me already having it installed.
HOWEVER, it will let me uninstall the new one (the good version) but not the old version.
Any way to remove this without flashing my device? It's not a big deal, just an icon under apps but I'd like to get rid of it.
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I used titanium backup, got rid of the one that was included with 3.1. Download new from market and it work much better.
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No, this isn't the same as every other thread asking about Google Voice support for Honeycomb tablets. This is more of an update on the matter. Today, Google Voice was updated and I side-loaded the Market version onto my tablet. I haven't updated the version on my tablet in a while, so maybe this isn't anything too too new. Instead of being the normal Phone UI, but bigger, now, it seems that Google has implemented a Honeycomb specific UI. I've attached a couple of screenshots of what the new Market Version of Google Voice looks like on my Transformer.
It's starting to look pretty sexy.
This next part, take with a grain of salt. Earlier, while I was updating Google Voice from the Market on my phone, I swear the "What's New" section mentioned a bunch of new features that aren't listed there now when I go back. Specifically, the features that were listed and are now removed were related to MMS, and were marked as "NEW". I'm assuming that these features will be added soon in an upcoming release.
I've noticed this as well. Have not seen anything with mms yet but that would be nice.
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Yea, I actually tried MMS'ing myself just to see if maybe it was released, but they didn't want to publicize it yet, and it didn't come through. So, I'm just hoping it'll come soon in an upcoming release. That, or I was imagining the whole thing.
They also seem to have finally enabled retrieving texts / voice mails via background data as well, so there should be a lot less of a lag between the time a text / voice mail comes in and the time you know about it on your tablet. And, there's a new Honeycomb-specific Google Voice widget
can you upload the apk for your GV on HC so I can load it to my XOOM?
The widget is nice too. It's just like the Gmail widget.
Here's a link to the app for anyone who wants to try it.
http://db.tt/nxXuDd5
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I wish it was more like gtalk or gmail
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The download won't install, I think this may be the DL for phones which are NOT compatible with Honeycomb although there are rumors of Honeycomb support. I tried the DL from my EVO - it appears to be the same package and posts the alert after attempting to install it.
I just thught I'd share the results I got when I tried the attachment and the mobile apk. Of course I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE if I have erroneous information!
JLG1985
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I ended up pulling the apk from my phone and just installed it to my XOOM, seems to work well
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The download won't install, I think this may be the DL for phones which are NOT compatible with Honeycomb although there are rumors of Honeycomb support. I tried the DL from my EVO - it appears to be the same package and posts the alert after attempting to install it.
I just thught I'd share the results I got when I tried the attachment and the mobile apk. Of course I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE if I have erroneous information!
JLG1985
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Had the same experience....
-bZj
works fine for me
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Had the same experience....
-bZj
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I'm thinking you may need a earlier version installed to install this one.
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Looks really great, thanks for the find!
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I'm thinking you may need a earlier version installed to install this one.
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I had to uninstall my previous version before I could install the new version.
For all of you saying the download isn't working, all you have to do is install it on your android phone, pull it, and push it to your tablet and install it there. There hasn't been any "tinkering" or "hacking" done to this apk, it's simply the Google Voice Market Version. It's the same apk for phones as it is for tablets
If you're having trouble, and you already had Google Voice installed, try uninstalling your previous version. I was using one of the old "hacked" versions and needed to uninstall it before it let me install the newer Market Version
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This next part, take with a grain of salt. Earlier, while I was updating Google Voice from the Market on my phone, I swear the "What's New" section mentioned a bunch of new features that aren't listed there now when I go back. Specifically, the features that were listed and are now removed were related to MMS, and were marked as "NEW". I'm assuming that these features will be added soon in an upcoming release.
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I haven't installed this on the TF, but looking at the permissions list on the phone it can "edit SMS or MMS, read SMS or MMS, receive SMS." Was all that about MMS in there before? Never really looked. Still waiting for "receive MMS," heh ...
Please forgive me before I make this statement - most people posting pix of their "LOVED ONES" ... in this case those baXOOMba's - are either gloating about what they have and we don't or are simply looking for a reaction and/or comment about that squeezbox and 'dem gorgeous Tata's!
I will do nothing of the sort ... except dream about Google Voice instead of your bodacious avatar!
I just think your in the wrong forum, kindly expect some discussion about them baXOOMba's, We're Transformers in here kind sir. Just sayin'
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Please forgive me before I make this statement - most people posting pix of their "LOVED ONES" ... in this case those baXOOMba's - are either gloating about what they have and we don't or are simply looking for a reaction and/or comment about that squeezbox and 'dem gorgeous Tata's!
I will do nothing of the sort ... except dream about Google Voice instead of your bodacious avatar!
I just think your in the wrong forum, kindly expect some discussion about them baXOOMba's, We're Transformers in here kind sir. Just sayin'
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You referring to me?
That's not and never was my girlfriend.. Just some girl I knew
And I google searched "Google voice honeycomb" and came onto this thread, which is why I posted... I ended up trying the method I posted about and decided to report that it was successful. that is all
In other news, U mad bro?
There's another update today, GV 0.4.2.36.
The app itself is NOW available in the market for the TF, no more side loading
I try and try and can't find GV in the market on my Transformer at all! I've been using a modded version of it since I got my TF back in May and it's in need of an update badly!
Can you post link to it please, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
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I try and try and can't find GV in the market on my Transformer at all! I've been using a modded version of it since I got my TF back in May and it's in need of an update badly!
Can you post link to it please, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
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I was able to install it thru the market site in chrome.
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Hi,
I have a request. Does some know how to make NBA Game Time 2012-2012 or NBA.TV app work on kindle fire. I tried through android market but it says that my device is not compatible.
Do you have any advice to solve this problem ?
(If by any chance you have the apk to install this I would really appreciate sending my liknk through PM)
Best regards,
I will ask differenlty ;-)
May someone from US who has access to Android Market, download NBA Game Time 2011-2012 and make backup of it and then post a link to a apk file so we can test if it works on Kindle Fire?
Thank in advance!
I need the app also. I have a dell streak 7 from t-mobile that I reloaded with the streak 7 honeycomb rom. Now the app wont install because it allows streak7 t-mobile but not the wifi that the honeycomb rom is based off of. Its too smart for its own good.
I pulled the APK from my Inc2, and it's odd since it's buried in another spot, not in /data/app.
I tried to install it on my kindle (unrooted) but it would get stuck at the splash screen. Anyways, here's the apk.
http://www.mediafire.com/?lsqrcp2lu4hjt69
I found this http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xLJjDxzwftWQ08JFg&sig2=W4X4tUdMRUwsdCTqEcSmiA
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I found this http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xLJjDxzwftWQ08JFg&sig2=W4X4tUdMRUwsdCTqEcSmiA
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That one is actually the 2010-11 version, not 2011-12
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I pulled the APK from my Inc2, and it's odd since it's buried in another spot, not in /data/app.
I tried to install it on my kindle (unrooted) but it would get stuck at the splash screen. Anyways, here's the apk.
http://www.mediafire.com/?lsqrcp2lu4hjt69
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Anyone have any success with this?
I will try it at home and post results here
i dont think that will work- pkg.apk is for sprint broadband nba.
The file which was included above do work on Kindle Fire. I didn't try mobile league pass because I'm not in US.
I also istalled NBA.TV app which supposed to be not only for US users and it also works on Fire but it's not dedicated for tablet so for instance I can't login to international league pass because of screen issue.
Hope it helps
I was able to install it on my Transformer, using the above link, as it wasn't in the market for me, or any other tablet user. Everything works ok, except on videos I only have audio, no video. Hopefully they update it to support all tablets, including the Fire.
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i dont think that will work- pkg.apk is for sprint broadband nba.
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That's kind of weird though since I have a Verizon device. It was the only apk that showed up when i searched nbagametimelite
I was just thinking though that maybe it's getting stuck because it's trying to do a location check?
It wasn't for Sprint broaband only but regular one. The Sprint NBA Game Time blocks me just at the beginning, this works just fine
I chatted with customer support and they say that they are working on application for android tablets but they can't tell me when we can expect it though
Could you please upload NBA.TV application too?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nbaimd.gametime.nba2011
The pkg.apk posted works perfectly on my HP Touchpad. When I went to the Market, it stated the app was only available on my Nexus One due to carrier restriction.
The apk.pkg works fine on my Kindle Fire with the amazon OS. was watching the free LP trial earlier
Lkr721993 said:
The apk.pkg works fine on my Kindle Fire with the amazon OS. was watching the free LP trial earlier
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it works somewhat, but I got tons of FCs
I have a galaxy tab 10.1 and I got the app from your link however I can't get any video. I just get audio can someone tell me if they have the same problem and how they fixed it.
I got the same issue!!
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seems kinda hit or miss. sometimes ill get a force close trying to access a video, then ill reload the app and be able to view it fine. works perfect on my phone though.
now, if we just had a workaround for the local blackouts, id buy this.
Anyone know how to get Craigsnotifica ? It was the best craigslist notification app on the market and it's gone. I just wiped my phone and flashed a new rom and on purpose didn't do a backup (wanted to start from scratch) but didn't expect this app to just not be on the market anymore.
Any ideas?
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Anyone know how to get Craigsnotifica ? It was the best craigslist notification app on the market and it's gone. I just wiped my phone and flashed a new rom and on purpose didn't do a backup (wanted to start from scratch) but didn't expect this app to just not be on the market anymore.
Any ideas?
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Check 4shared
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Just google the name with .apk on the end. But be forewarned, your mileage may vary.
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Just google the name with .apk on the end. But be forewarned, your mileage may vary.
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yea i was hoping asking around on the boards would be a little safer than just downloading from a google search haha. i'll take a look around though, but if anyone happens to know of a specific good link, please let me know.
thanks
I have it on my rooted Amaze so I can send it to you. Let me know where by pm.
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Could you please fwd me the apk as well. Been looking everywhere to find it. Thank you!
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I'd really appreciate the APK as well.
Ditto.
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Bonus Incentive!
I also could really use a copy of this, as I'm in the same boat.
Once I receive it, I will share it across 2 Dropbox Accounts, Google Drive, and a Minus account.
That's four mirrors for the price of NONE!
A PM or a reply, either or.
Thanks in advance.
I discovered a funny little trick, which is the reason I've been able to keep the app: I use the market app Appbak to create a text-file backup of all my installed apps. When I go to reinstall my apps, the app uses that list to go to each app in the market, and if Craigsnotifica is on the list, it WILL show up in the market!
Of course we should all keep a copy of the apk on our sdcards/computer.
Here is the apk: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18474790/com.mufumbo.craigslist.notification.android-1.apk
has anyone noticed that in the past week the app stops displaying the content of posts? it shows the title and the footer, but the main content is missing. I sure wish someone could pickup the dev of this app, as it is, as somoene else posted, the best CL app out there.
thanks.
tylermcghee said:
has anyone noticed that in the past week the app stops displaying the content of posts? it shows the title and the footer, but the main content is missing. I sure wish someone could pickup the dev of this app, as it is, as somoene else posted, the best CL app out there.
thanks.
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Same is happening to mine. When you go to "About" page, the external website link is for a gaming website.
I uninstalled it for now.
ijevrem said:
Same is happening to mine. When you go to "About" page, the external website link is for a gaming website.
I uninstalled it for now.
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Does anyone have an alternative to Craigsnotifica? The other applications I've tried don't have the RSS style and multiple item tracking that I have learned to love...
is anyone else having trouble getting the body of the Craigslist ad to appear on their device? This just started happening to me recently with this app.
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is anyone else having trouble getting the body of the Craigslist ad to appear on their device? This just started happening to me recently with this app.
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Yeah, i noticed that too. Not sure why, maybe something changed on CL and the app hasn't been updated in so long.
I don't know if any of you will like this one, but i've been using cPRO craigslist client droid from the market. it does notifications, but they seem to use a lot of battery. But It works pretty well for me searching and browsing.
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Yeah, i noticed that too. Not sure why, maybe something changed on CL and the app hasn't been updated in so long.
I don't know if any of you will like this one, but i've been using cPRO craigslist client droid from the market. it does notifications, but they seem to use a lot of battery. But It works pretty well for me searching and browsing.
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An older version 2.84 does still show the body of the ad.
You can download it here:
goo.gl/B1cXW
Also attached to this post. Enjoy
luisenriquereyes said:
An older version 2.84 does still show the body of the ad.
You can download it here:
goo.gl/B1cXW
Also attached to this post. Enjoy
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Thanks alot. I love this app...been using it for couple of years now. The latest version doesnt show the body of ad. I wish it worked though!
Its hard to understand why the developer took this app off the market...did he stop developing it?
If so, someone should carry on the button!!!
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Thanks alot. I love this app...been using it for couple of years now. The latest version doesnt show the body of ad. I wish it worked though!
Its hard to understand why the developer took this app off the market...did he stop developing it?
If so, someone should carry on the button!!!
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I changed the settings and got it to show the body/text along with the pictures etc to show on each ad. Prior to that I would have to click on the peace/craigslist symbol to see the whole add and not just the pics and location.
Once I opened the app and got into the menu I seleced Preferences/Storage/Cache Ads Data (checked the box) and all new post and searches now work like it used too showing the text etc and are also available off line to review later. I am using version 3.28
I am still using it on my G2x until it just flat out does not work anymore. All the other apps I've found just don't compare and all seem like carbon copies of each other.
Now I just need to figure out how to remove the ads since I can't purchase the full app.
Very sad. I tried this and the results came up empty for everything. Every other Craigslist app is crap in comparison to this apps simplicity.
Anyone try this other app in the market yet? It seems really simple, yet has all the features like notifications and posting even. I haven't put it thru it's paces yet tho...
Search for claspics in the market..
I was just wondering if you guys know any alternatives to Astrid as it is shutting down since Yahoo bought it.
Remember the Milk is suggested a lot but it is only useful if you pay $25 a year. Anybody know some free alternatives that work just as well if not better than Astrid?
This site brings up some good apps but has anybody actually tried some of them?
Where do you know Astrid is going to be shut down from?
I'm using it for a long time and it's great. I was using remember the milk for some time but it is strange, I don't like it.
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isri said:
Where do you know Astrid is going to be shut down from?
I'm using it for a long time and it's great. I was using remember the milk for some time but it is strange, I don't like it.
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The Astrid website and the emails they have sent out - Yahoo has bought them out and it's shutting down shortly. I've looked at a few of the recommended replacements but none of them is as good or easy as Astrid.
I'm using mainly Astrid android app. But I didn't get any emails.
I was using some apps long time ago but those were very poor...
Will have a look for some alternatives...
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I was just wondering if you guys know any alternatives to Astrid as it is shutting down since Yahoo bought it.
Remember the Milk is suggested a lot but it is only useful if you pay $25 a year. Anybody know some free alternatives that work just as well if not better than Astrid?
This site brings up some good apps but has anybody actually tried some of them?
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Sorry to drag up an old thread but theres a bit of an update. Astrid seems to have been picked up by another developer, a few of the features are missing (listed on the google play page) but it seems to be pretty good.
Google Play link
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.astrid
Astrid, I miss you so much!
Sorry to drag up this old thread again, but as I miss Astrid very much, I just have one question that keeps me up at night:
Why was it necessary to shut down Astrid?
I mean okay, Yahoo acquired Astrid. That's no problem for me. But when I buy a house, I do not burn it. I really don't understand why they shut down a very well running system. Can anybody explain this to me?
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TI've looked at a few of the recommended replacements but none of them is as good or easy as Astrid.
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Totally agree! I tried EVERY alternative. The closest to Astrid seems to be Wunderlist. I go with this now, but usability is by far not as good as it was with Astrid. I also made a suggestion do wunderlist: http://wunderlist.uservoice.com/for...se-just-implement-all-the-useful-settings-ast
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Sorry to drag up an old thread but theres a bit of an update. Astrid seems to have been picked up by another developer, a few of the features are missing (listed on the google play page) but it seems to be pretty good.
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I'm all ears. Your link is broken.
Hi,
It's now called 'Tasks (based on Astrid)' by Alex Baker. Seems quite active but it doesn't have the pure calendar widget support yet so I'm still on the original Astrid. Just trying out 'DGT GTD' which is looking very promising considering it's rock solid and still in alpha!