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I wanted to see if the blank sockets on the system board were active. So I grabbed my multimeter and tested each pin to see if any delivered power. I don't know if these sockets are controlled by software, but it looks like these sockets are inactive.
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I'm an electronics tech (avionics really) just so you know my background, and I am by no way a programmer i just hack my way throught when i need... poorly at that. I'm a long time reader but don't post much.
I havent taken mine apart yet, I bought it for the wife to use as an ereader she was using her evo before and already has bad eyesight I just dont think reading on that small screen is good for her. However we planned on returning it today because she couldn't get anything to work... But i loaded VAGAn-Tab rom on it and she likes it ALOT more now, but we still might be returning it (she thinks it to big and heavy to hold). So all I have to work with is the internal pics posted by other members and I thank you for them!
I was thinking about using a mini pci card with 3g/4g and GPS to solve my problem like this one for Sprint Customers looks very nice and they claim android support. Could someone please verify the length available for the card from the socket to the mounting holes? It should be around 50mm but i cant tell from the pic.
I cant post a link so google
franklinwireless
M600_datasheet_v1.pdf
Then after more research I figured out that think I can get the GPS to work on the board. I found that the RXM-GPS-SG-T looks to be the exact chip they are using, the pin look to match exactly VCC, GND, RX, TX, RF, VOUT. So they are using an active GPS antenna (but could be modded for passive). They use NMEA-0183 or SiRF Binary output selected by a serial command. So we need to figure out if the TX is going to U39 making U39 the interface to the unit, or directly to somewhere else (idk need to see board) I hope i can attach my pic i made or maybe an admin can post it for me.
However the PCI slot might be just as hard to use, the pin 20 that has 3.3v isnt what we want, but it could be a software control to disable/enable the card. However we still need A+ on pins 2,52 (3.3V), 6,28,48(1.5V) and maybe 24(3.3V Aux) dependeding on the card. We could be dealing with a "Non Standard" connector, they are out there but most OEM's dont bother with them. More likely to find them on a Asus product ect. It's common for the SIM card to be powered by the PCI card itself and the board looks wired that way. I have 2 Digi International Mini PCI express Wifi/Cell Development boards and thats how they both power the SIM card. Pin 16 should goto Pin 1 on the sim card, 14->2, 12->3, 10->6 but maybe 7 or 8.
Getting the Power to it could be software or hardware. Looks like around U8 on the frontside could a Vreg setup, Or it could be as simple as putting in some 0 ohm resistors around R15 and R14. We also see that U7 is unpopulated on backside. So that leave us with U7,U8, R15, and R16 which could mean they are all part of the same circuit if they laid it out with any logic. TP1,2,and 3 also make me believe this is true, however they match up to LED_WPAN#, LED, WLAN#,and LED_WWAN#. I sure wish they match the power input pins, but that means all those missing resistors could just be for unpopulated status LED's. Like I've said over and over i cant tell ya unless i can probe around the board.
As far as the memory, yes its possible, I do BGA replacement at work. What I am afraid of is that the other memory chips look to be exactly on the other side and I'd be afraid of messing them up. I'd have to look at my jig at work and see if I could set it up without any problems.
I'm no electronics expert but I dabble. I'd be interested in internal GPS and a memory boost. I'm pretty confident in my soldering skills and would try something if directed by someone smarter than me.
This is something I am very interested in. Any new info on this?
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This is something I am very interested in. Any new info on this?
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I sadly no longer own a G tablet, wife thought it was to heavy to read books, and hated the screen. I cant argue with her on either of those points, so we returned it. However I got the ok to buy a referb on if i can find one, but when I did at my local store i showed them the paper and they told me they dont sell that stuff there and send me away. I talked to 3 different people too basically all told me to go f off. I even tried another time with the 7" they sell same results. I dont know why it gets listed on the website if they wont sell it.
Not to get sidetracked, but i even did by the proper bga fittings to solder the ram chips too lol..
So no its probably not going to go any farther from my stand point, if anyone wants my help I still read the forums everyday.
I'm just gonna wait and see what comes out in the future that XDA gets behind, because I'de never buy anything that didnt have an active community here.
IF you were looking for a reader fo rher mainly, you should've really gone with the Nook Color... eInk devices are good too IF you don't really need good PDF support and/or need it to read more complexly formatted documents, e.g. technical manual, mathematics texts, etc. i.e. eInk is best suited for ficiton and other simply formatted documents, but it VERY readable except in poorly lit conditions where you'd need external lighting of some sort.
Very true I should have bought her a nook, but now she doesnt want it because its not powerful enough for her needs imo. She also wants to login to her school (blackboard) and be able to use overdrive. Plus she likes dungeon defenders and I dont think that can handle it. We are just gonna wait it out and see what comes along, mostly cause we have our first due next month, so trying to be frugal.
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Very true I should have bought her a nook, but now she doesnt want it because its not powerful enough for her needs imo. She also wants to login to her school (blackboard) and be able to use overdrive. Plus she likes dungeon defenders and I dont think that can handle it. We are just gonna wait it out and see what comes along, mostly cause we have our first due next month, so trying to be frugal.
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Yep, you'll want a full blown tablet then and I suspect that the NC would be too much of a bother to get setup for her for what she wants it for...
All the 10" tablets are fairly heavy too, so you'll probably have to stick to looking for 7/8" tablets and I suspect Tegra 2 or multi-core cortex-a9 SoCs from other mfgs... not much in the way of 7" ATM other than the elocity a7 (was c. $300 around xmas), but it's not very hacker friendly and I don't know if they ever got the USB port to run in non-host mode... probably best to not even look at it...
The g Tablet would, as many have already said, be a great tablet if it had gps mainly and increased memory. Adding pci-e would be even better. I would be extremely happy with the addition of gps. I would be very tempted to allow somebody with expertise and high level of confidence of success to experiment on my tablet.
GPS+
Just bought my Gtab yesterday. As you know the stock Roman/UI sucks big time. I installed Clockwork followed by CyanogenMod 7 and what a difference. Anyway I looked on the web for a dock and it seems there is a Chinese version of the Gtab that has higher spec's including GPS. It would seem logical to assume the U.S. motherboard has the same circuits built in. Who knows what's possible....
It's too bad that more people don't feel like tearing up their electronics to start soldering things to them.
I bought a phone with specifications that say there exists 768MB of RAM and 4GB of ROM, yet I can only access 1GB of that ROM.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/inspire-att#tech-specs
What's going on here? I read an explanation about SLC and MLC but that would cut the ROM in half, not into a quarter, of what it should be.
I really hate HTC sometimes - they promise so much and then you get the thing and it doesn't even come close to living up to expectations!
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I really hate HTC sometimes - they promise so much and then you get the thing and it doesn't even come close to living up to expectations!
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its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
you are close on the formatting issues though. The ROM is originally 4gb, but is formatted for speed since the system files are stored on it. This cuts the storage space in HALF (like you said) since it becomes single layer. So we are down to 2gb, but the OS is also installed on this space. This takes up nearly 1 gb, which leaves us at ~1 gb usable space.
There is another thread around here that goes into quite a bit a of detail, and really makes for a funny read with one dude claiming this 4gb chip is not even installed in our phones and that the OS is SOMEHOW installed on the 768mb RAM chip. Hopefully someone posts the link because it really was quite entertaining.
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its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
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Not true, you buy a 500GB HDD and you get a 500GB HDD, it just depends on how you calculate it.
Let's look at a 16GB micro SD card for example. You start out with 16GB, which is 16,000 MB, or 16,000,000 KB, or 16,000,000,000 Bytes. So to get from 16,000,000,000 Bytes to Gigabytes, you divide by 1000 3 times. Unfortunately, this is not how an OS will compute the size of a drive. It will divide by 1024, thus:
16,000,000,000 Bytes/1024
=15,625,000 KB/1024
=15,258.79 MB/1024
=14.9 GB which should be roughly the amount of storage space that your OS will tell you you have.
Hope this helps
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Thought I would include a calculation for a 500GB HDD just for reference:
=500,000,000,000 B/1024
=488,281,250 KB/1024
=476,837.16 MB/1024
=465.66 GB which should be very roughly what the size of your drive will be reported as by your OS.
that doesn't help at all....because i was just using it as a reference. The specifics don't matter. You buy a 500gb hdd, you hook it up to your computer, it shows 465gb that you can store stuff on.
We are told we have a 4gb ROM chip (like buying a 500gb hdd), it gets installed in our phone, formatted a certain way, and OS installed along with a few other things, and we end up with 1gb we can store stuff on.
same difference. the hdd is misadvertised because of how the OS calculates the space, our ROM is misadvertised by the way it is formatted.
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same difference. the hdd is misadvertised because of how the OS calculates the space, our ROM is misadvertised by the way it is formatted.
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Exactly this. When I buy a hard drive I expect the discrepancy and factor it into my purchase if needed. With something like a phone, I see 4gb of storage and unless told otherwise am assuming that is usable space.
The simple fact of the matter is, a company is going to advertise the highest possible spec and number of their product they can represent. How much you actually can use varies, but it's all there in the hardware. The amount available to us is still plenty.
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The amount available to us is still plenty.
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exactly THIS!! especially with an 8gb external card included. if you plan to use the thing as a music machine then sure, invest in a bigger card. Even without apps2sd, it would be a challenge for 90% of people to fill up that 1gb internal
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exactly THIS!! especially with an 8gb external card included. if you plan to use the thing as a music machine then sure, invest in a bigger card. Even without apps2sd, it would be a challenge for 90% of people to fill up that 1gb internal
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Just another example - anyone check their free space on a freshly formatted XBox360 Drive? A 20GB drive you'll only see about 10-12GB of. My 250GB drive I'm pretty sure started out with 196GB free.
And, for the 3rd or 4th time (as this thread has shown up plenty of times before), here is the response I got from HTC regarding the the memory, showing they clearly don't see this as an 'issue':
Dear User,
I understand the importance of being able to use the fully memory capacity of your HTC Inspire 4G. The 4GB of ROM on your device is shared with the operating system and all programs that are pre-installed on the device. I do apologize for any inconvenience that you may have experienced through this.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 11USCW09ENA001776.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
HTC
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buddy17 said:
its the same way with ANY company, not just HTC. I don't understand why everyone gets in a bunch with phone memory. Go buy a 500 gb hdd from any other brand and tell me how much you can access. No one *****es about that though??
you are close on the formatting issues though. The ROM is originally 4gb, but is formatted for speed since the system files are stored on it. This cuts the storage space in HALF (like you said) since it becomes single layer. So we are down to 2gb, but the OS is also installed on this space. This takes up nearly 1 gb, which leaves us at ~1 gb usable space.
There is another thread around here that goes into quite a bit a of detail, and really makes for a funny read with one dude claiming this 4gb chip is not even installed in our phones and that the OS is SOMEHOW installed on the 768mb RAM chip. Hopefully someone posts the link because it really was quite entertaining.
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This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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Not true, you buy a 500GB HDD and you get a 500GB HDD, it just depends on how you calculate it.
Let's look at a 16GB micro SD card for example. You start out with 16GB, which is 16,000 MB, or 16,000,000 KB, or 16,000,000,000 Bytes. So to get from 16,000,000,000 Bytes to Gigabytes, you divide by 1000 3 times. Unfortunately, this is not how an OS will compute the size of a drive. It will divide by 1024, thus:
16,000,000,000 Bytes/1024
=15,625,000 KB/1024
=15,258.79 MB/1024
=14.9 GB which should be roughly the amount of storage space that your OS will tell you you have.
Hope this helps
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Thought I would include a calculation for a 500GB HDD just for reference:
=500,000,000,000 B/1024
=488,281,250 KB/1024
=476,837.16 MB/1024
=465.66 GB which should be very roughly what the size of your drive will be reported as by your OS.
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Close...but 16GB = 16,384MB and 500GB = 512,000MB.
1GB = 1024MB
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Close...but 16GB = 16,384MB and 500GB = 512,000MB.
1GB = 1024MB
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Not so close, he was correct but yours would be 16GiB = 16,384MiB.
16GB = 16,000MB
(sorry, don't kill me I didn't make the rules!)
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This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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LMAO wow that Bella guy/girl whatever is a COMPLETE moron!
di11igaf said:
This is 100% correct This is the link your talking about, explains what happens to the internal storage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000094&page=2
I was told I was wrong though, and apparently I should take a class to learn how how these things work.
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LOL thats the one! This should be nominated for Thread of the Year
I understand what people are saying about the formatting, the OS, etc., however, coming from a Captivate and actually getting my 16GB of storage PLUS my external storage, it is a bit ****ty on HTC's part to advertise 4GB when you can only use 1GB - I might as well still have my EVO if I wanted 1GB of internal storage - at least the EVO held on to a signal...
With HTC, its always SOMETHING. First with the Windows Mobile phones, they didn't give us graphics drivers for the Imageon chip in the phones. With the EVO, they started cheaping out on the display type and some of them were noticeably yellow. The Mogul had overheating issues (I personally went through 7 of them before they finally gave me the Touch Pro 2). Now they're misrepresenting device specifications.
The only ***** I had about Samsung was their total lack of providing updates for their devices. Hell I dropped my Captivate I don't know how many times and the screen doesn't have a single chip in it, even the time it fell on the ground face-first.
I'm just saying that instead of sitting here and saying "it is how it is formatted," we should be writing letters to HTC letting them know that the behavior is unacceptable. Yeah we have external storage through our microSD cards but internal storage tends to be quite a bit faster, at least that's how it was with my Captivate.
If you are that worried about it, then seriously, just go grab another captivate and hang out over there. I'm so tired of everyone getting their panties in a wad over this. It sounds like you don't like the inspire nearly as much as the captivate if you have only one complaint on the captivate vs 5 for HTC. Or quit complaining, buy a bigger sd card and get over it.
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I hated my Captivate...
Battery life was rubbish, screen was oversaturated and hard ot the eyes after extended periods, it was laggy, buggy, no updates, a pain to unlock, vibrate was too weak, the entire time I owned it I didn't once get a GPS lock (no matter how long I waited) and I often had market issues.
My $0.02, only a real jack of clubs would prefer the Captivate.
Hi
I am looking at making a desktop computer, these are the parts I am looking at. I have heard that if parts do not go together well the might just stop working are all these parts compatible? Also how risky is building a computer my parents don't wont me to build it in case I break it? (they wont me to get shop to put parts together but I really wont to do my own cable management).
8Gb DDR3 Corsair 2X4Gb 1600Mhz
Kit Vengeance Performance CL9 CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
AMD FX 8120 CPU Eight Core
120Gb Corsair Force 3 SSD 2.5"
Corsair Obsidian Black 650D
Gigabyte ATI HD6770 1Gb
1Tb WD Caviar Black
Razer Lycosa Gaming KB
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3
5.0m HDMI - HDMI M-M Cable
Asus VE247H 24" Widescreen LED
Sony 24X SATA Black Dual Layer
Corsair 650W HX-650 ATX
Asus PCE-N15 Wireless 11n
Is they anything I have missed other than software like windows 7 Pro?
I am thinking of buying from netplus or mys as they are in my area.
Any help would be appreciated
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If CPU not BOX package, you need buy cpu cooler separately. In any case, instead of the standard cooler is better to put a more powerful, i.e. Scythe, Zalman or other...
You're thinking about cardreader? It may be helpful to read cards from a smartphone or camera and is very cheap.
And, if its your first computer assemble, be carefull with cpu (pins), motherboards and video card. Electronic elements and tracks are very thin, easily damaged hitting the corners of the metal.
For that build, a bigger power supply is recommended, if only for peace of mind, get an 850 watt. As for everything else it looks good. Motherboard was a good choice. Sendrey is right about the cpu heatsink/fan, I recommend an aftermarket one. Make sure u won't have clearance issues eith your ram. Also make sure u get good thermalpaste as well. Honestly the only other thing is the case. The corsair cases DO have good cable management but for aircooling, which u are doing, frankly, they suck. I HIGHLY recommend getting either a raven rv2 or newer or coolermaster haf series (925 is really good for price, 945 is nice too) case. PM me if u have any other questions
Call me old fashioned (or just old) but I would recommend a magneto-disc hard drive as well. You don't want all your storage to be on a single 120GB SSD.
Dont know if you need it, but if you go over the windows ram limit you wont be able to boot i think.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7
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Dont know if you need it, but if you go over the windows ram limit you wont be able to boot i think.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7
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this is a non-issue, he'll most definitely be using 64 bit, which is up to 192 gigs. And x86 can actually take u higher than 4 with pae but I digress
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Call me old fashioned (or just old) but I would recommend a magneto-disc hard drive as well. You don't want all your storage to be on a single 120GB SSD.
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he has a 1tb harddisk as well. The 120 ssd is a boot drive
More questions
How risky would you says building a computer is?
Also does this graphics card card work with the other parts, and what about others?
Can parts just die if you plug it in with incompatible parts?
Also would the CoolerMaster Hyper 412 Slim fit in with the case and ram?
Thanks for all the replies.
not to terribly complicated but I would recommend doing your research. When in doubt LOOK IT UP, double, triple check and then start.
Saw these on newegg the other day. Specs are impressive including an A10 arm CPU @1.5 ghz and Mali-400 GPU, with ICS out of the box... but for around $120? What's the catch here..? Yeah it looks quite a bit like a Dell Streak 7 at first glance - 480x800 res and only has 4GB for storage and only 512 ram... There's a lack of reviews on this thing and I'm considering getting one... But can anyone give me a reason to not buy one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0U009E3479
More detailed specs on Buy.com:
http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=230139359&sellerid=18700237
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Nothing as far as I know. I remember reading about this tablet being the 1st ICS available. It was a GB tablet that didn't sell well, so they converted it to ICS.
BUT! I might be thinking of another similar tablet.
its kinda like a banana split, without the split
...did that say usb 3?
There's just so many that fit into that category Thanks for such quick input!
Another down side is no sd/micro sd slot built in. But with a usb port perhaps a game controller could be used? And did I see right that this thing has usb 3.0? Even if external sd/micro sd isn't available with usb3 transferring data should go pretty quick.
It has it's faults for sure but the hardware alone makes it worth the $120... All I would have to do is add a few games and snes9x ex and fpse... serious budget gaming tablet potential here.
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There's just so many that fit into that category Thanks for such quick input!
Another down side is no sd/micro sd slot built in. But with a usb port perhaps a game controller could be used? And did I see right that this thing has usb 3.0? Even if external sd/micro sd isn't available with usb3 transferring data should go pretty quick.
It has it's faults for sure but the hardware alone makes it worth the $120... All I would have to do is add a few games and snes9x ex and fpse... serious budget gaming tablet potential here.
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im actually thinkin about buyin it
Huh, would ya' look at that.
Being a poor student and not having a laptop sucks, so maybe this one could comfort me all those harsh, horrifying hours of class where I have to write my notes on paper.
That's right, I have use paper! And a pen!
Does anyone have any experience with a tablet as a notetaking tool?
I get the feeling that it'd work out pretty nicely, but you never know.
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Im curious. Do you still have unlimited data? What are your plans about keeping it? Whats your next phone?
I switched to the 6GB share plan, and I'm either getting an iPhone 5, or a Droid DNA.
Seriously?..... I guess we should each have our own thread when we decide to get a new phone.
Each day that passes, I look more and more forward to getting away from the redundancy and boringness of these Tbolt forums.
Well I'm loving my TB its on liquid ics 3.2 I think over fast and the next fone should be the Droid DNA or Samsung note 3
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Why in the hell would you switch from unlimited to 6GB? You do realize that higher phones will pull more data, higher quality video streams, and so on right? What used to be 4GB on the TB will turn into 8GB on the DNA or other similar phones.
Anyway I bought the DNA and gave it a trial run, found out it really wasnt for me and didnt suit my needs so I'm back on the TB. The only thing I want in a new phone is a bigger screen now. The TB fills every other category on my wish list perfectly.
At this point I'm probably going to wait until I really see something I like come out. The Droid DNA had a lot of potential, but it's major shortfalls (16GB only, no uSD slot, non-removable battery) are hard to ignore. It's tough to justify the GS3 now that it's already 6 months old, so I think I'm going to wait and see what 2013 brings to the table. While I'm fine with the large phone size (although I think phablets like the Note are too large), I do wish one of the big Android manufacturers would put out a top tier phone in a smaller form factor. There's no way my wife could comfortably use the DNA or GS3 (the Tbolt is about her hand's limit), but it seems there's no top tier phone in the low 4" sizes anymore.
I still have unlimited. Next phone? I won't know that for 6 month but it will have 64GB or an SD slot. I have 64 Gig SDXC in my tbolt now.
Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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Why would you want 64GB? Isnt that like 30,000 songs? At least 100 movies? Half the apps in the app store? You should probably get over your memory requirements since removable batteries and stuff are a thing of the past. Phones are moving into the cloud, designed for wireless charging, ultra light weight and portability. To achieve this you need to be able to just cram everything in there any way you can, which makes it less likely for access.
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I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
Buy a used phone and keep your unlimited data. eBay, swappa, etc. I've bought my wife and I each a galaxy nexus for around $220 each. You won't regret it.
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Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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tburns said:
Keeping the tbolt and bought a tablet to use along side my bolt with tethering on...
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Me, too. I just got a Lenovo A1107 for $120 (as a carputer) and have a 10.1" Samsung Tablet for around the house. The Bolt can stay as a telephone and mobile hotspot.
Verizon sucks, though.
nonews said:
I was once asked why anyone would want 1MB (yes megabyte) of RAM in a computer. The "cloud" is finicky, not always available, and not to be trusted if you care anything about privacy. Memory is cheap and light. ($42 retail less than 1g for my 64GB). I'm willing to bet the trend toward no removable battery or memory is money (i.e. cost of manufacture and support) not ability of the designers to execute. The trends seems to be LARGER phones (bigger screens bigger batteries).
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You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
RunNgun42 said:
You knew 1MB would never suffice for a computer because you could foresee the advancements in technology requiring more space in the future. So what advancements do you see in cell-phone technology requiring 64gb, 128gb, screw it a full terabyte if storage? You might as well tell me that I'm foolish for feeling 160mph is fast enough in my car, because one day we might all be cruising at 250mph through the neighborhood. Movies arent getting any longer, songs are getting any bigger. There is no practical reason for a feature length film to be more than a couple of gigabytes since the screen size will always be less than 7".
It is precisely because phones are getting bigger that the engineering involved is getting more difficult. Special considerations have to be made when designing a battery that can be removed. It is MUCH easier for a designer if he doesnt have to worry about this. Imagine if cell-phone had removable 4G chips, video processors and ram. Do you really think the design could still be kept as portable as something like the Iphone, DNA, or SGS3? Of course not, you'd end up with a phone as big as a laptop trying to accommodate this.
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Bad assumption, straw man and non sequitur
I had no special knowledge for what computer memory would be used. I only know, looking BACK at computer technology, that EVERY time someone has suggested “No one will ever need more than _____” we blew right past that without a pause. People are pretty clever in using all of a given resource. For myself I am just under 32GB used on my SD right now so 64GB I don’t have to worry about filling given my current usage model. (Which is why I stated that I could live with a 64GB fixed memory phone?) Even so 128GB devices are practically a given and 1TB is not much of a stretch. This trend will probably continue until we can fit no more into 1cm^2. What will use all of this storage? I don’t know. People are very clever in using all of a given resource however.
Does online storage and fast wireless mitigate the need for large local storage? Yes. Does it fully replace the need? No. Are data caps and overage charges making replacing local storage harder? Probably.
As for video I think your assumption of 7” is incorrect. Phones already have outputs (HDMI or the like) to drive large screens. What will those screens be in the future in size and frame rate be? HD, 2K 4K 8K? 24,30,48,60 FPS? I fully expect video files to grow.
Audio – I don’t see it changing much but perhaps bandwidth and storage will favor lossless CODECs.
Your car analogy is weak. Automobiles already operate close to the human ability to perform in many areas, portable devices… not so much. I would like to go 800 miles on a tank of gas.
I really disagree with you regarding designing for bigger vs smaller phones. A larger phone, dominated by say the display should offer more opportunity to fit things in. Of course if the wider and taller phone actually has less volume than previous phones then it would be more challenging and if it has to weigh less even with a larger volume then it may be really tough. Removable storage and batteries ARE harder to design as I said before and I fully understand that the extra cost of design and manufacture of removable storage and batteries favors the design of non-removable storage and batteries. No one mentioned changing SOC or coms or radios but that is another straw man.
Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
The key word here is "right now."
Right now 64 GB might seem like a top end tier for mobile storage. But the DNA is 1080p resolution with more phones to likely follow suit. The files will be larger, and data consumption will increase.
Carrier networks are no longer in the unlimited era. Caps, throttling, and insanely annoying persistent wifi alerts rule the day. If carriers insist on treating network bandwidth like gold from Ft. Knox, then I'm going to want to carry more, and cloud less.
16 gigs of storage becomes 11 after OS and bloat. 11 gigs is pretty pedestrian on a device that can hold apps, movies, and songs. How long have we had iPods with more than 11 gigs in storage?
SGS 3 had it right. So does the Note 2. If I want locked down drudgery I'd buy an iPhone.
I love HTC, but they need to get somebody else making decisions over there. Carrier exclusive phones? Fail. No SD Card or removable battery? Sigh.
I'm considering a Nexus 4, but that's only because it has budget pricing, and I can use it with pre-paid service. (Read: I'm cheap)
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
RunNgun42 said:
Before I go on, I'm just curious, what does your 32gb of cellphone storage consist of?
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25.6GB of audio
1.1G of nandroids (each about 1Gig)
2G Ti backups, app data, app cache and system stuff
I could live with 32GB if I had to for a while at least.
If you have a few Roms you like and have nandroids of, they're almost a gig a piece.
I hate how new phones are stopping at 16 gigs with no sd slot. It's not enough memory for me, nandroids and app backups are necessary and use a lot of space.
I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. Believe me I'm with you when it comes to the ignorance of people who always thought ABC/XYZ was enough. I guess a better way to justify the design of something like the Droid DNA is that it at least gets the job done. I watch tons of movies, listen to tons of music, and keep my phone docked in a cradle on my desk to surf at work all day long. I just found alternatives to storage limitation that just so happen to be the direction the industry is trying to push us in. I recognized that I dont need to have 10 movies on my device at any given moment because it's not like I'll ever really be watching them. At least not often enough to justify a need for storage to keep them. I uploaded my entire song library to Google Play which was a huge boon because now I have it with me on any device anywhere I go. I dont keep more than 1 nandroid of my device because my previous build is the only thing worth keeping. When I flash a new rom I simply keep a failsafe, and I only store about 2-3 roms on my device as redundant failsafes for each other in the event things really go sour or I just get really bored.
If this is the tradeoff necessary to have a beautiful 5" display with wireless charging and weighs light as a feather, then I consider this a win. If the alternative is a larger, heavier, more expensive phone to accommodate the best of both worlds (tons of storage and tons of power) then I consider that a loss. I will gladly take form over function since the function can be made up for in other areas that actually add quite a bit of newfound convenience. To me, this whole idea of clinging to old phone standards of sd-cards and removable batteries is just oldschool thinking. It reminds me of the business tycoon still using his monochrome blackberry thinking he's the ****, and that all these kids just dont "get it" with their fancy colors and lack of technical needs. Or the supposedly tech savvy laptop pro who buys the heaviest most impossible to carry device with a 17" screen, optical disc drive, and 10 USB ports for that 1 time he actually needs it. Everything you use your storage for is just for an emergency. 25gb of music, multiple nandroids, etc. They're all just "what if" scenarios that probably see the light of day once every few months. Sacrificing the entire build of a phone for this off-chance scenario is just very backwards thinking imo.
You dont have to believe me but the dna gets excellent battery life for a phone with a 1080p and the lack of an sd card is irrelevant since it is otg capable meaning an external hard drive can be used. The sad part is that a new one x phone is right around the corner.
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RunNgun42 said:
I'm the last person I ever thought would be advocating for less storage space. ....
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I glad you found a usage model with which you are happy. I prefer another.