Hi
Are there any solutions yet ?. I'm currently converting a 42min (TV ep) 1280x720 mkv to a 1280x720 mp4 using Handbrake but it took 30mins. Is anyone else doing something similar if so does a more powerful computer speed up the process considerably ?.
How about streaming the mkv's, is that possible at the moment ?.
Thanks,
Edit: I've found a way to stream content to the transformer.
I'm currently using plex and am able to stream 720p mkv's no problem. It's the best $5 I've spent for a while. It's pretty CPU intensive (85-95%) if your computer has an old processor like mine (AMD X2 4200+).
You'll need the server software and the android program.
Windows - http://www.plexapp.com/pc.php
Mac - http://www.plexapp.com/mac.php
Android - https://market.android.com/details?id=com.plexapp.android
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Well you do need to have the 720p files in a H264 MP4 which the Tegra 2 can hardware playback. Otherwise the software playback is jerky.
Mr Paul said:
Well you do need to have the 720p files in a H264 MP4 which the Tegra 2 can hardware playback. Otherwise the software playback is jerky.
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MKV files can have the videos encoded in H264 you just need software that can open that container. MKV allows for the encoding of multiple audio tracks and subtitle tracks.
To the OP have you downloaded Rock Player from the market it's supposed to open MKV files. But like the poster I replied to said if your files don't have hte video encoded in H264 your playback may suffer.
I stream all video files onto my nexus (80% of which are mkv) through ORB. Download it onto your main media computer, import the folders, etc. On Android, the app sucks, but you can go through the website, change the settings to flash player, and it streams well. Definitely clunky way to do it, but it works. If I'm on 3G, I set the data speed to 1200 in the settings and it works fine with no skips.
Most non-anime 720p MKV's that i have, i prefer to transcode (not convert) on my Mac using Quicktime Pro 7 because they already conform to h.264/avchd spec anyway but are just wrapped in the MKV container. This takes my (Mac Mini 2.26 Core2Duo) minutes, as in 10 minutes sometimes, because all QT Pro 7 is doing is just changing the audio codec to AAC.
Now ofcourse most MKV's i usually download are anime, usually with soft subs (which i dislike, i prefer them burned in) and this is where Handbrake comes in. It's the most convenient app i've found to take MKV's with soft subs, convert them to mp4 and burn in the subs (just the way i like). Ofcourse this process involves converting the MKV which is what takes some time because Handbrake is a CPU intensive app, the faster your CPU, the faster it gets it done.
If you have a computer with an NVIDIA CUDA capable graphics card, there's an app called Badaboom that utilizes the GPU for video conversion to just straight mp4, which converts on a magnitude many times faster than just CPU alone.
I've used it on a friend's PC and it's astounding how fast it converts.
When Moboplayer or the others will support Tegra2 we won't have this problem anymore...until then looks like we can only convert...
Knight77 said:
When Moboplayer or the others will support Tegra2 we won't have this problem anymore...until then looks like we can only convert...
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I've read that tegra is unable to play mkv's at 720p & 1080p due to hardware limitations. I hope what you say is right though
mug2k said:
I've read that tegra is unable to play mkv's at 720p & 1080p due to hardware limitations. I hope what you say is right though
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From my experience I had with the Adam and reading around, Tegra likes the MP4 container much better than H.264, if you have troubles with your videos, try switching it up in handbrake.
I'd recommend transcoding a small section of video (5 minutes...) into various formats and see which you find works best.
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When Moboplayer or the others will support Tegra2 we won't have this problem anymore...until then looks like we can only convert...
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Very much doubt it. I just tried 720p high profile video on Athlon 2Ghz and it was decoding but with some problems (I had to change some settings for it not to stutter). I doubt Tegra2 is fast enough to compete with good old Athlon 2000+ (in SunSpider test this Athlon was 2x faster than Tegra2 tablets - I know, not a good comparison). The only hope is that it could be done partially in hardware - then maybe...
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Very much doubt it. I just tried 720p high profile video on Athlon 2Ghz and it was decoding but with some problems (I had to change some settings for it not to stutter). I doubt Tegra2 is fast enough to compete with good old Athlon 2000+ (in SunSpider test this Athlon was 2x faster than Tegra2 tablets - I know, not a good comparison). The only hope is that it could be done partially in hardware - then maybe...
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not a fair comparison since athlon doesnt have hardware acceleration for video decoders AFAIK and tegra 2 does.
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not a fair comparison since athlon doesnt have hardware acceleration for video decoders AFAIK and tegra 2 does.
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The question is - can they be used for high profile to help software decoding?
Hasn't it been a known fact that Tegra 2 device cannot do 720p+ high profile?
It has been many months since the release of Tegra 2 devices and so far no fix or update has been done, which leads me to believe that it is a hardware related issue. Tegra 3 devices coming late summer to early fall should take care of this. It is also 5x faster than Tegra 2 and will have neon support.
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I've read that tegra is unable to play mkv's at 720p & 1080p due to hardware limitations. I hope what you say is right though
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MKV is just a container, Samsung and some no-name OEM PMP's have added The Matroska container to their build of Android (And they don't have to release the source because it's part of the framework not the kernel) that is all that's needed
All the Tegra 2 sees is the audio and video stream after the container has been parsed. If we had the honeycomb source we could add MKV parsing (As the omapzoom project has done here: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform...46c99805033f35023ee;hb=refs/heads/gingerbread)
But that would still limit us to whatever the Nvidia HW acceleration binaries can handle decoding. The tegra2 _should_ be able to decode 720p High profile (EDIT, I may be wrong about High profile) and 1080p Main profile, but the current Nvidia binaries can only handle 1080p baseline profile. (The older froyo binaries for the harmony board can handle 720p main profile)
tegra 2 doesn't have a problem with hd video, just hd video using high profile. hd is a resolution, not a container, not an encoding profile, nor a codec.
its a very big draw back that tegra 2 can't handle high profile video as weaker tablets have no problems. my galaxy tab and archos 101 both do high profile 3.1 [email protected], as does the iPad with xbmc.
So the power is there but isn't unlocked ?, but can it be unlocked if nvidia chooses ?.
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So the power is there but isn't unlocked ?, but can it be unlocked if nvidia chooses ?.
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The "power" is not there in regards to high profile video 720p and up, since it is a hardware limitation. The bad thing is 99% of online 720p and 1080p content are high profile. High profile is popular because it yields greater definition, higher clarity, and is half the bandwidth. File sizes are also smaller too, at about 4 times less.
The GPU is the weak link for the Tegra 2.
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The "power" is not there in regards to high profile video 720p and up, since it is a hardware limitation.
The GPU is the weak link for the Tegra 2.
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What's the quickest option to get from the high profile to a profile that will work ?. Is a full conversion needed ?.
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What's the quickest option to get from the high profile to a profile that will work ?. Is a full conversion needed ?.
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Using Handbrake, it takes anywhere from 15 minutes to hours depending how fast your computer's CPU is.
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Using Handbrake, it takes anywhere from 15 minutes to hours depending how fast your computer's CPU is.
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lol my PC is so old I can't even get net framework 3.5 onwards installed so that's a non starter. How long does a typical conversion take for you and what hardware are you running ?.
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lol my PC is so old I can't even get net framework 3.5 onwards installed so that's a non starter. How long does a typical conversion take for you and what hardware are you running ?.
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My Q6600 3.5Ghz, 8GB, GTX580 takes on average of about 2 hours to convert a movie at 720p high profile lvl 4.1 to baseline, which is a *****.
I need to get a new i7 2600k setup.
Also since this non high profile video have larger size a lot of time they go over the 4gb limitation of the fat32 filesystem.
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I want to know what is the best format to convert videos for ppc so i can get best combination of quality and performance, size dosnt matter for me.
I am alao looking for the best practice guide.... so i can learn how to get smooth video playback.
H.264. Read my H.264 Bible, it exaplains everything.
Thanks I am looking for your bible.
I think I may have overlooked something obvious, but where is your bible?
I'm having terrible trouble getting decent video playback on my i-mate 9502
Here guys
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67863
It seems you can't expect much from the 9502 - it doesn't have working drivers either - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351788&page=8
You could give CorePlayer a try, though
I still have a problem that I have a wmv which play smoothly on my pc but now I convert it to h.264 but it still lagy (as before) on my wizard.
Do you use CorePlayer?
Did you try optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)
I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?
btw I convert the video from xilisoft in 320 res
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I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?
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I've explained this all in the H.264 Bible... there're a lot of areas of optimization.
BTW, the Wizard is VERY slow. Therefore, I recommend not only goig for CorePlayer, but also sticking to DivX if the increased storage requirements aren't a problem.
you mean divx codec, not player right?
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you mean divx codec, not player right?
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Both. You need to encode your stuff with DivX and play back preferably with TCPMP or, even better, CorePlayer.
I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.
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I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.
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any other core player video settings for better performance?
The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 330 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html
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The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 300 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html
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unfortunately the software you refer doesnt support wmv conversion.
Well, honestly I've never needed to convert a wmv(ASF) video before. I never would have thought it would not accept WMV files, but I downloaded a music video to test and indeed, even when forced, PocketDivxEncoder wouldn't accept it. I then tried AutoGK which is another high quality converter/front end and it also would not accept WMV files (I would assume the same for Gordon Knot).
To aid you in your quest, I went on a search for tools to help you in your task.
Tools tested....
AllToAVI - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/alltoavi - easy to install, fairly intuitive, fast encoding, no option for cropping or rotation, limited audio options.
--I ran a quick test on my wmv music video using AllToAVI. The original WMV did not play very well (worse than a slide show) on my HTC Touch (Elfin - 201Mhz OMAP). The resulting XVID was actually the same size, but played perfectly.
WinFF - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/WinFF - easy to install, minimalist interface (very limited), fast encoding. Unlike AllToAVI, WinFF did not analyze the source or make suggestions on video frame rate or aspect ratio. It worked well enough and the resulting XVID looked as good and played as well as the file created by AllToAVI.
MediaCoder - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MediaCoder - wow, this program is pretty amazing. Easy to install, tons of options, fast encoding. This program is much more customizable than PocketDivXEncoder, but this is to be expected. This program can convert from pretty much any codec to pretty much any codec. There are options for pretty much every aspect of the conversion process (which may be too much for some people). The resultant video was again the same size, but quality was a bit higher since I was able to crop the black bars.
Basically, if you can use PocketDivXEncoder (i.e. your video is supported) stick with it since it is fast, high quality and easy to use. If you want the ability to customize every single aspect of the conversion, use Media Coder. If you can't use PocketDivXEncoder and you want something very simply to convert your unsupported video, give AllToAVI a shot.
many thanks for your efforts. I am tryijgnall those convertors and will let you know the results.
can I play the 700MB dvdrip (.avi divx) version of movie on pda. Can it handle it?
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
Gigs said:
Hy guys,
Just to know, I'm coming from my trusty Eten M700. I bought the HTC Touch Pro about one week ago here, in Romania.
And I must say the video playback seems way too sluggish for a phone like this. On the M700, with same coreplayer version (latest), with raw frame buffer and medium quality and no other modification I could play every video I wanted. Including 720x576 xvid clips.
On this one...no matter what I set (QTV, raw frame buffer, direct draw), everything seems a little too sluggish compared to M700.
do you have the same impression, or is it just me?
I just read another thread here about video performance but it had too much dissipated info.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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Which is why it's great that you started a new thread to dissipate the info further. Read the other thread(s) again, this has already been answered and solved within coreplayer.
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which topic is it? i have smilar issues
Untill now I have found that QTV with Medium acceleration, and dither on has the best performance, anyway less than m700. Setting the buffer to 8000 kb did not had any effect. Still want to hear from another pro owners what they think about this.
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
krabicka3 said:
I agree, video playback just sucks! I hate Qualcomm processors, Xscale rulezzz!
However when I put QTv, my screen goes black and there's only sound.
How did you achieve to run it on QTv???
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
Unfortunately the HTC Touch Pro is not the mulitmedia phone you want if your looking to run your non-mobile encoded videos. However it still can be a awesome video player if you encode videos to the right dimension and specs.
I took this past Sunday to play around with finding just the right video format and encode settings to play video as close to vga as possible. Unfortunately the Touch Pro can't play videos in full-vga resolution. HOWEVER, it can perfectly play videos in 480x320 which when you compare to a 640x480 video on the touch pro's 2.5inch screen there is no difference in quality what so ever.
When you play small videos on such a small screen you wont notice the difference in the resolution, however comparing a qvga (320x240) to the half vga 480x320 resolution you can definitely see a difference.
I use two different encoders, one being pocket divx encoder and the other videora iphone converter.
I encoded a bunch of animes and movies using pocket divx set to 480x320, 2-Pass, vhq enabled, around 850 video bitrate and 128kb stereo bitrate and all my videos look crisp on the Touch Pro and plays smoothly.
I suggest others to try it out and benchmark the playback yourself and you'll see it'll run at a easy 135%+ which is perfect for 100% smooth playback.
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It depends on what kind of file you want to play with it. On mine, some 3gp and some clips compressed for mobile devices don't show anything on screen. Try to switch to raw frame buffer, and restart core player, maybe it helps?
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1.) I suggest check two things, one be sure you are running the latest build which I assume you are,
2) under preferences and under the Qtv page look to make sure "Tytn 2 driver mode" is enabled.
3) some builds have a issue of zoomed in pictures to a an extreme amount that only a black screen shows when first installed, set the zoom to 50% and then reset to the normal or best fit.
Hopefully those changes should help you out
UPDATE: Also there is one bug I know of with Coreplayer. When coreplayer is launched and left running in the back (or if still active on screen) should the device go into sleep mode and then come back you will not be able to see any video playing when choosing to start. You'll have to close coreplayer and reopen again, I noticed this the other day and just came into mind when experiencing just now again.
I almost agree with you puerrican but I think it's such a burden to reencode....I managed to get easy after I saw that everything encoded with h264, mkv and encoders like this can't be played in the pro. However, everything I had in my computer encoded in divx, xvid, normal things works just fine with the settings I put in some posts above. I just tried 700 MB DVDrip(around 1000 kbit/s and 640x272) and some videoclip(624x352 vbr around 2300kbits) both xvid and they worked ok. 688x400 AVC1 (h264) killed the pro.It's not just the resolution but also the encoder used.
EDIT: just saw the update and I wanted to mention that I'm also using the 1.2.5 build 4506 with tytn 2 mode enabled and qtv on medium selected. And touchflo3d is disabled and I'm using the spb shell (or something like that with icons on screen).
IDEA: I think it would be interesting playing back xvid 640x480 and h264 640x480 to test this idea of mine
Definitely it is pain to go and do that. Plus reencoding speed relies heavily on your pc specs, on a high end specs your looking at around 4-5 mins for a 2-pass encoded video of 24 min length. While a movie length of 90 mins or so your looking at at least 16-22 mins.
So expect much longer wait on a lower end thats not even dual core or lower clock rate.
Until pdas start sporting dedicated gpus from nvidia or other names windows mobile wont ever benefit on being a media playback alternative which is a nice plus for those not looking to carry 2-3 devices for music, pmp, pda, and phone. Wish HTC would look into intel processors for their next unit and possibly throw in a nvidia mobile gpu like the 5500 with a decent amount of video memory. I mean at this point in the technology chain its not even remotely impossible to do so... so whats the hold up with companies???
yeah, i have no problem with mp4 at 640x480 (640x360 widescreen). mkv at high res (above 640x480) is a little juttery. my movies are usually 24fps, 1000kbps, 640x360
got same settings as gigs
coreplayer is working on fix for v1.3
I'm at a lost, I tried playing 640x480 videos on my touch pro and it stutters way too much, how are you guys managing to have to it playback flawlessly?
I dont really get whats good about watching movies on a 2.5 inch screen...do you do that on such a regular basis that this is so important ?
Regarding Video, i just watch some short youtube clips and stuff like that...
Ever tried to watch a full length movie on such a small screen ? I did that on holiday on my ipod and its really hurting the eyes to concetrate on such a small screen for 90+ minutes... not really anything you want to do regularly...besides not reencoded videos take up alot of space on your memorystick...
i dont have a problem with reencoding some videos and stuff, full length movies arent meant to be watched on a phone anyway
Well, a 2,5 inch screen is a bit too small, but our Touch Pros have a 2,8 inch screen
I have a zune and it has a 3 in screen and was perfect for watching tv videos or movies, and thats half the resolution then a TP. Cant wait to get my hand on the TP !!!
To each his own, some ppl like being able to watch videos whenever the call comes. Sometimes when I have to wait for something like a class to start or I'm away from my pc, or even on a airplane or public transportation I like to be able to watch few episodes easily and clearly. A full blown movie yea its gonna be a nuisance for a long time depending on the person. But some are accustomed to it, I for one can easily watch 4-6 episodes in a row without getting any kind of headahce.
yep, its quite convient. all in one device. it has tv out as well, so since it is simalar res to tv, it looks great
music + movies on phone, no ned for mp3 player. plus i can stream movies off my pc
yeah i see that there is room for this, but i dont think many people use this so regulary that converting a few movies is that much of a pain. You will save a lot of space on your memorystick as well.
I have modifying 2 regentries and the video is now much better.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438318
Using CorePlayer the benchmark was before 75-95%,now 145%. on same videofile - Uncompressed VGA XviD.
Edit... I am sorry. It wasn't working. I just forgot,that I set the video quality to medium before.
You have to chose Medium Quality on Video Settings (with Qtv selected), otherwise it lags so much ..
Even on medium on motion scenses some frame drops
Video used for tests: RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi (found somewhere here on this forum.. can't remember the topic name )
I have constructed some video tests and the preliminary data I am getting back is that the Touch Pro is not great when it comes to video playback. Not at the moment anyway. Though my tests were done with the latest Coreplayer I would extrapolate that the results are indicative of the overall video performance irrespective of the player used.
File 1: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 320x160 287 kbps
File 2: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 640x320 479 kbps
File 3: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 320x160 200 kbps
File 4: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 640x320 400 kbps
All audio is AAC 24 KHz 64 kbps.
Device: HTC Raphael
CPU&Clock: Qualcomm MSM7201A 528MHz
GPU: N/A (integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected])
ROM: WM6.1 FireROM v0.3
File 1: 205.40%
File 2: 126.52%
File 3: 159.63%
File 4: 68.29%
Device: HTC Hermes
CPU&Clock: Samsung SC32442A ARM 400MHz
GPU: ATI Imageon 2282
ROM: WM6.1 PDACornerPro v25 RBSN
File 1: 387%
File 2: 140%
File 3: 114%
File 4: 34%
I don't know how much the video performance can be improved with newer ROMS or optimised software but I think it will take a while before any drastic improvements are seen, if ever. I have the video files available for those would like to test this for themselves and can PM the links. They short clips might be considered copyrighted so I will not post them.
Hmm
I have some DVD rips which were encoded for use on the Sony PSP, with the following attributes:
Format: MPEG4
Video: AVC aka H.264
Video Size: 480 x 272
Frame Rate: 29.970
Audio: MPEG4 AAC Audio
Audio Format: 96000Hz 2 Ch
I figured it'd be useful to be able to play those rips on my TP, so I tried it using Coreplayer v1.2.5.
There was no sound - I cannot fix this and have raised a ticket with Coreplayer support.
Nevertheless, the benchmark gave an average speed of 101.90% so that's not too bad.
Has anyone else tried these types of files on their TP using Coreplayer? Have you managed to get any sound?
The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!
As I've posted in the topic with touch pro issues:
poor directdraw, framebuffer/video performance.
Just to make an idea: an old device from 2005 with omap 850 200mhz CPU performs better in this area than the touch pro @ qualcomm 528mhz. what a shame. The test were done in this topic (in romanian, sorry). CorePlayer was used for benchmark. I will summarize.
- HTC Tornado overclocked (262Mhz) max performance: 174.22%
- Touch Pro max performance: 172,67%
Both in Raw framebuffer mode. When used QTV it gains only 162,64%. How come?
It's pitty, 262Mhz from OMAP performs better than 528!!!Mhz from Qualcomm?!
The video used for tests is this one. (320x240 @ 25FPS)
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Of course, this may be fixed with software optimization.. But it's kinda annoying that the existing 3rd-party doesn't work so well..
I saw in a romanian review that touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)
peterbonge said:
The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!
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All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.
DSF said:
touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)
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This is concerning. I want a device where I don't have to worry about converting video any more.
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All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.
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With WMP the first two are running fine, the last two have just sound without a picture. The codec (H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) is not the problem because I have many vids with this codec running fine.
I don't have the time to test the files with the CorePlayer at the moment, but here are the specs of a file which runs choppy with the CorePlayer, but fine with the WMP:
Video: avc1 / H.264/MPEG-4 AVC / 480 x 360 / 509 kbps / 29.971 fps
Audio: mp4a: MPEG-4 AAC LC / 44100Hz 123 kbps, stereo
The problem of the current releases of coreplayer is that the QTV driver provided is not the one for the MSM7201A processor; it's the one of the TyTnII (MSM7200 If I'm not mistaken).
To fully exploit the "graphic accelerator" of our TPs I think we'll have to wait for an optimized version of coreplayer for our HTCs (coreplayer 1.3 as anounced in their website, as they say that a version optimized for Touchs will be released soon).
I've contacted HTC support about video performance.
Answer in short: "The Touch Pro is not made for playing Media. It was made as a business device."
TyTN was made as a business device and included ATI Imageon GPU.
Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.
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Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.
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I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
seether said:
I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
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Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?
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Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?
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I havent tried this yet, but I will once I get back home tomorrow.. Would be awesome if that worked!
EDIT: Loading in a episode of Dexter (original release, DVDScr.XVID) on, and installing TCMP.. Il post results!
Loaded "Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU.avi" onto my memory card and played it in TCPMP and it worked more or less flawlessly!! No need to worry about playback performance! Although to get 100% perfect playback, it should be converted or something as the playback did suffer som slight stutters from time to time.
EDIT: The only thing this device suffers from in terms of video playback is 65k colors.
err that's weird look at the results posted at these sites:
http://img2.portavik.net/upload/file_23/37bd53de9a906fe4/table_bench.gif
and this one:
http://www.ferra.ru/online/communicators/80844/ (in the middle of a page SPB test
Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer
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Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer
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When I tried to load up Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU with CorePlayer, I only got audio, no video... But TCPMP worked quite well..
yeah im searching for proper video settings to convert files to for my device using catalyst or pocketdivx encoder, still searching on that one.
but then i tried just throwing my original episode of entourage and yeah it looks awesome., will probably do that more often with the faster file transfer and once i get a bigger sd card.
The firmware drivers do need a bit of work and coreplayer 1.2.5 doesn't fully support the touch pro as the makers have made clear.
I would suggest waiting for coreplayer 1.3 and maybe a few newer ROMs before giving final judgement, though Qtv specs on the qualcom chips do say it maxes out at 640x480 15-30fps 384kbps if i remember right.
FYI: Qtv is a software codec specifically designed for maximum performance on the 7201a chipset used by the touch pro. This is what coreplayer does not fully support yet (unlike on the TyTN).
Also, regarding HTC's response, why don't you ask the same question again but about the Touch Diamond, as it's not a business device.
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What 3D accelerator does the Pro/Diamond use? What chip?
AS after searching and doing for last two years i now come to a conclusion that wm sucks on mp4 video..
no matter we use coreplayer ir wmp..
any solution?
What resolution, bitrate, type of videofile(not mp4, thats just a container) I've actually had some very good experiences playing many mp4 files back on my ipaq 210 at around vga, all work flawlessly. Maybe time to upgrade your elfin?
blame qualcomm or texas instruments for their technology
intel is better still
Think that it's more to do with how you encode your movies rather than WM as i recode to .mp4 and have good quality on all devices via CorePlayer, Wanted\Ghost In The Shell 2 Innocence\Sky Blue to which are what i tend to test a new phone with all running perfect.
I use DVD Catalyst or FLVtoAVI "the name means nothing does everything" depends on device.
Resolution of device, keeping same fps as source, keeping the audio bitrate down to save space as it's easier then for phone to read less in chunks, then video bitrate.
Once you find the optimum settings for your software then it's all plane sailing
Your device is slow CPU wise same as Excalibur so can't expect amazing results and having a faster CPU makes a lot of difference when movies concerned.
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Think that it's more to do with how you encode your movies rather than WM as i recode to .mp4 and have good quality on all devices via CorePlayer, Wanted\Ghost In The Shell 2 Innocence\Sky Blue to which are what i tend to test a new phone with all running perfect.
I use DVD Catalyst or FLVtoAVI "the name means nothing does everything" depends on device.
Resolution of device, keeping same fps as source, keeping the audio bitrate down to save space as it's easier then for phone to read less in chunks, then video bitrate.
Once you find the optimum settings for your software then it's all plane sailing
Your device is slow CPU wise same as Excalibur so can't expect amazing results and having a faster CPU makes a lot of difference when movies concerned.
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hummmm.
ok.i have download a video "street fighters 4 gameplay" from savevidcom which give option to dwnld as flv,mp4,hd...
now my benchmark for that video from coreplayer is like this.
frame rate 29.996
sample rate 441000
data rate 653kbit/s
What resolution is that running at? And is it any faster. I personally use avidemux to convert videos because its free and has tons of options. Another thing to try is to convert it with 23fps, can't even tell the difference
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hummmm.
ok.i have download a video "street fighters 4 gameplay" from savevidcom which give option to dwnld as flv,mp4,hd...
now my benchmark for that video from coreplayer is like this.
frame rate 29.996
sample rate 441000
data rate 653kbit/s
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Thing is benchmark doesn't show quality as such will show how well your device will play the file but the original source file or recode file will be the quality depending on settings many of the movies on sites to show game play etc are very low quality mainly due to bandwidth.
Only wish i could capture my Touch Pro playing 9 as the quality is awesome
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Thing is benchmark doesn't show quality as such will show how well your device will play the file but the original source file or recode file will be the quality depending on settings many of the movies on sites to show game play etc are very low quality mainly due to bandwidth.
Only wish i could capture my Touch Pro playing 9 as the quality is awesome
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looks like no solution for elfin..
okn will buy touch pro then....
Don't know about you guys but Coreplayer plays mp4 fine on my diamond
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Don't know about you guys but Coreplayer plays mp4 fine on my diamond
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try ur wmp...
oik..go to savevid.com downld any video u like in mp4 format and then see.
u can tell us ur coreplayer settings??!)D
Am I being unrealistic in my expectations WRT playback of video on the Transformer? (NB After some of the replies below, I've added this comment to emphasise my point - I am NOT talking about high-def video here [e.g. 720p], just normal PAL or NTSC video taken from standard DVDs.)
I've ripped some DVDs using Handbrake on my Mac, using the default High Profile settings. The resulting h.264 files play smoothly and nicely on the Mac.
However, on the Transformer, the playback is juddery.
These are standard-resolution DVD rips, from TV shows and movies.
I wouldn't have been surprised for HD content to be a bit dodgy, but I was surprised not to be able to play SD content smoothly.
Has anyone else got good video playback (i.e. do I have a dodgy tablet) or is the Transformer with its Tegra 2 really not up to playing full-screen SD video?
Don't use high profile. Search before you post - there is many threads about video issues of Tegra2 devices here and in Xoom forum.
Why do people keep doing this, you have a Google tablet, Google this.
The Tegra 2 has a strange limitation, it doesn't play high profile. Before you make the mistake everyone else does, high profile is not a measure of quality, its the measure of compression. The bit rate is the quality.
Put it on high profile go to advanced, turn off 8x8 transform and Weighted P Frames and Subpixel ME to 6, use MP4.
Don't bother with other peoples presets, just use Moboplayer and you will be good with this setup.
Thanks
OK, thanks to you both for sorting me out with this. I did (contrary to appearances) try to find a thread on this topic but failed. Clearly I must brush up on my searching skills.
What about YouTube playback? Even this works terrible on my transformer. It keeps droping how of frames with latest firmware update.
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What about YouTube playback? Even this works terrible on my transformer. It keeps droping how of frames with latest firmware update.
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there will be an update for this, also the browser player works fine for me.
Settings that work
OK. After some testing with the first chapter of the Matrix DVD (because I have it to hand and it's got some nice pans and action to check the juddering against), I have found that the following settings in Handbrake give me acceptable performance on my Transformer with the h.264 codec. This is standard-definition video, please note, NOT high-def.
Note that sorting this out is far from as simple as "Google it" because there are a great many mutually contradictory sets of advice out there!
I took the Normal profile, then went to the Advanced tab and disabled CABAC and set the max B frames to 0.
This was the least dramatic setting that gave smooth playback on my Transformer. So I guess I should repeat my original question - given that my tablet appears to require much lower video settings than generally advised AFAICS in order to get smooth video playback (it's hard to measure this but this is my preception), should I worry? Or is this pretty much what everyone finds with the Transformer?
(The easiest way to get smooth video seems to be just to switch to the MPEG-4 codec and to increase the quality to about 3 to compensate. However, this gives files that are 40-50% larger, so I wanted to avoid that if possible.)
I usually use Handbrake for everything but I was in a hurry so I tried Freemake Video Converter. I converted a few downloaded x264 MMA videos. It has built in settings for Android. I was surprised how well it looked.
I'll still probably go back to Handbrake as soon as I have time to setup and test various suggested settings listed here and some other forums.
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Why do people keep doing this, you have a Google tablet, Google this.
The Tegra 2 has a strange limitation, it doesn't play high profile. Before you make the mistake everyone else does, high profile is not a measure of quality, its the measure of compression. The bit rate is the quality.
Put it on high profile go to advanced, turn off 8x8 transform and Weighted P Frames and Subpixel ME to 6, use MP4.
Don't bother with other peoples presets, just use Moboplayer and you will be good with this setup.
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Thanks for the info.
Are you using handbrake? If so, are you using constant quality, bitrate or target size for your encode?
The Tegra 2 supports 720p High Profile Hardware Decoding, but Honeycomb can't utilize it yet. 3.1 or something later should address this.
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The Tegra 2 supports 720p High Profile Hardware Decoding, but Honeycomb can't utilize it yet. 3.1 or something later should address this.
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Link please?
NOT about high-def content
Can I reiterate that my query is NOT about high-def content (e.g. 720p)? I'm talking here about being able to view simple SD content from a DVD I've bought, without juddering.
Can other folks view standard DVD rips on their Transformers using standard Handbrake settings, with no juddering during whole-screen update sections (e.g. pans or action sequences)?
I just used Adobe Media Encoder CS5 (part of the Creative Suite) to encode a file and it played flawlessly on my xformer. I used the Apple TV Preset as a base then modified the profile from main to baseline.
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I used the Apple TV Preset as a base then modified the profile from main to baseline.
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Could you share which modifications you made? As I don't have access to CS5, I'd need to reproduce the settings on my software.
Thanks!
there's a handbrake profile for video encoding for the transformer. search for it.
seshmaru:
Unless you know something is there then you don't know to search for it. Now I know, I have searched and found that what I posted above is basically the situation - no B frames, no CABAC.
That being said, all the discussion I have seen has been based on 720p content rather than standard def so it's not clear to a newcomer to video issues that tthe same restrictions necessarily apply.
Anyhow, that seems to be the answer so thanks to all for the help.