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It appears my IIi was broken. I am getting a new one soon, and I will update this thread with some pics with the new phone. Disregard this thread as it does not appear to reflect the true quality of the IIi
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Guys, I bought an XDA IIi. The one with the 1.3 megapixel camera. I heard the XDA series had bad cameras particularly in low light, but this is ridiculous!
It's even worse than my very first phone cam (the plugin to 7210), or a £2 webcam.
Surely it should be better than this?
http://img60.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img60&image=image000056cq.jpg
My old nokia 6600 takes the exactly the same shot PERFECTLY just with VGA and slightly unsaturated colour balance.
NB it takes better photos in daylight, but still poor compared to 6600.
So is my IIi broken? or is this how they are?
By the way, I have tried adjusting all the ambience settings (night, daylight etc), and the contrast brightness saturation hue etc but there was no improvement.
Any chance you could post a piccy taken in daylight? Outside if possible.
OK I will do tomorrow matey when it's sunny :lol:
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000079ub.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000085jw.jpg
Pictures taken in daylight with a grey sky
sho ryu ken said:
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000079ub.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000085jw.jpg
Pictures taken in daylight with a grey sky
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damn $h1t... (
so you get more pixels with the same sorry looking quality...
Try to reduce Sharpening... That always helped on my XDA2.
buzz
lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg
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lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg
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not a big help...
anyway, what a nice place, you are living... )))
buzz
OK I created a little page with a comparison between IIi and an old 6600 VGA cam.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~knaib/xda/xda 2i.html
The pictures are taken in exactly the same lighting at exactly the same time.
WTF is going on?
I have an XDA II and I have the same complaint with the camera. They use some crappy CMOS chip that produces pictures with a "watercolour" effect. For a £550 device I'm not sure what the logic of including an unusable camera.
guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?
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guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?
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buzz
oh those pictures are really crappy, even my mda compact produces much better pics and i thought the 1.3mpx cam in it was bad!
cmos cameras will never be as good as CDD (used by real digi cams)
wrong colours
light sensitivness (grainy and such )
but they are cheap to make
and use less power
From what I've seen most other camera phones produce resonable pictures and they're using CMOS chips. It's just the XDA chip is pretty bad.
i just dont understand how it can be so bad. What the hell is the point in upgrading the camera to 1.3 megapixel if the quality doesn't improve, unless it's just a marketing scam.
I didn't expect it to be brilliant quality, but I thought it would be at least usable (or at least better than those sodding free webcams you get when you order a printer ink cartridge). I have a 14 day return period so I guess I will have to do some thinking
Also, before I take the pic, in the viewfinder it looks quite good. But when I press the button, it takes about 2 seconds to process and the final image is abysmal! It gets darker, and blurrier, and more pixellated. Is there another 3rd party camera program about or anything?
My camera version is 2.70
Since the camera should be the same as that on the imate Jam, perhaps people in this forum could comment on the picture quality. Indeed, it is disturbing to see a 1.3MP camera produce such horrible results,. If resolution were the only measure of quality, 1.3MP is more than enough for good quality photos. I have a 5MP Sony digital camera and seldom use resoultions larger than 1MP. If it is true that the quality is as bad as shown (rather than a faulty unit), predictions don't look good for the quality of the MDA IV camera.
loookin at the pics you've uploaded i am a bit confused....because one of the other user has also uploaded his side of pics taken out by xda IIi but they,re not THIS HORRIFIC !! :shock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16580&highlight=
(scroll down and see a post by applecom)
but some of the pics that youve taken out in daylight are a BIT OK !! just OK !! with same crap quality image....
what the hell is wrong with HTC when are they gonna take out a pda phone which has a good camera quality and a built in lan and qwerty keyboard are they scared to take out something like this because they might run out of business or something ? :? (as tht dream pda phone will be having everything in it so no more upgraded phones ?)
i have the same opinion that the pictures are crap, i have tacken probley 50 pics and not been inpreded with any of them rearley. But espically the one of the sheep dog i posted looks not to bad.
i did not look at it until it was posted, the spec is 5 lux so no chance of a good pic in the house, the one of my daughter cleaning th car ( that cost me £10 :evil: ) has a sun blure on the wite gates, but this was at 4pm and i am in the UK, and we dont get sun this time of year so maybe just the large area of white confused the camera.
as you can see i am no photographer but tomorow i will take some more pics of the same thing using a XDA2 XDA2i and a proper camera so you can compare
John (applecom)
a comparison would just be great.... if possible also try to take out the pics from xdaIIi in open air not in the house
regards
jeetz
I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
mgymnop said:
I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
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They don't look bad on the MT4G screen, but on computer - (especially if you zoom even a little) - not as good as N1...
Update - I checked settings and the the camera was set to wide, so it apparently just crops the pictures to fit, so what you get is about 3.3 mp. Change to to 4:3, and the resolution goes up to 5mp.
I will take a few pictures set this way and see how they compare.
How about we start posting pics in this thread to see what everyone is talking about.
Seeing is believing!
Here is a pic I took yesterday while watching bad boys 2.
*Edit* this pic is 2592 x 1456 which = 3.8 mp and it's set to widescreen, setting it to 4:3 standard gives you 2592 x 1952 which = 5.1 mp
That looks pretty good! No? Or can it be better?
myTouch4G (Glacier)
i dont think its bad at all
i went to the air show yesterday
and my dogs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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I don't know... I would easily trade ease of use (nice functions, dedicated shutter button, face recognition, LED flash) over many of the cameras, which may take slightly better photos.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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+1
I watched that video last night and I agree that the video and picture capability of the MT4G is great!
I think people just have to "try" to find something to complain about.
I LOVE THIS PHONE!!!
gaww said:
I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
s10shane said:
now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
Arcadia310 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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Get better camera quality in the light. So that looked great...
myTouch4G (Glacier)
Has anyone connected their phone to an HDTv yet, to see what video quality/pictures look like?
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
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yeah but some people complained about the hd2 when it would tale widescreen mode pics that it isnt true 5mp it was 4mp and if u took off widescreen mode then it was true 5mp. so thats what i am going based off of. but i still think the pictures i take in widescreen mode on the mt4g are great in widescreen mode. i have no complaints
Is there any way to boost the frames per second for the video? I've been comparing photo and video quality pretty heavily with an iPhone 4, and overall the MT4G would be "better" IF the autofocus lag was fixed, and the fps for video was 30 fps.
I find the colors and auto-levels to be superior on the MT4G, but the fps thing is really annoying.
Looks like this camera has the same problem the G2 camera has.
Download the trial of Camera 360 and set the JPEG compression to a more reasonable level. The default camera app on the G2 compresses the everloving CRAP out of the pics and makes them look TERRIBLE.
I've taken some pics with the G2 camera via Camera360 that were remarkably improved over the stock Camera app.
The pictures at 4:3 were better, but the camera 360 pictures and features are better still. Can it be set up to open with the camera button?
Update - it must be the compression in the OEM camera app - would be nice if it could be turned off. The uncompressed Camera 360 shots are twice the size at the same resolution settings. When you look at them on computer screen and zoom in - big difference!
I've noticed that quite frankly...the camera ****ing sucks especially in low light areas like bars, I'm fairly sure I've taken better quality pictures with my old k800i! Are there any mods out there at all that can help fix this?
littledude565 said:
I've noticed that quite frankly...the camera ****ing sucks especially in low light areas like bars, I'm fairly sure I've taken better quality pictures with my old k800i! Are there any mods out there at all that can help fix this?
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I've noticed this too....
I know you can edit the media_profiles.xml so i thought if i could find one and luckily here is one for our very own desire s.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1280558
Why not give it a try and see. Also, are you running Cyanogenmod or sense? Sense usually takes much better pictures than cyanogenmod.
Not too much you can do about the hardware limitations, especially in low light conditions like bars.
What I have relied on in the past is using PicSay Pro to correct any photos that I would like to keep that havent come out well. It is very good at adjusting exposure levels, brightness, contrast and colour saturation to make under-exposed shots look much better. Also add a 5% blur to help with grainy pics.
Agree that sense cameras outperform the cm and aosp ones.
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Thanks for the responses! Also, I'm running a sense rom (endiymon or something that)
I think its due to the type of lens HTC are using. This is what they have vastly improved in their newer models (f.24 lens if I'm right?)
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olyloh6696 said:
I think its due to the type of lens HTC are using. This is what they have vastly improved in their newer models (f.24 lens if I'm right?)
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HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores. The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus.
Combine that with the 8 megapixel camera with a f/2.0 aperture, 28mm lens, BSI Sensors, and smart LED flash with five levels of brightness. The f/2.0 aperture allows for 40% more brightness and light capture than their previous f/2.4 lenses that others are still trying to complete with today.
Source : http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/
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HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores. The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus.
Combine that with the 8 megapixel camera with a f/2.0 aperture, 28mm lens, BSI Sensors, and smart LED flash with five levels of brightness. The f/2.0 aperture allows for 40% more brightness and light capture than their previous f/2.4 lenses that others are still trying to complete with today.
Source : http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/
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And will these improvements concern also HTC One S ? Or just One X, because in the source you have stated, there is mentioned just One X, if i am right.
EDIT: Sorry, i have just noticed, there is mentioned that HTC one S will also have these improvements.
Damn it when I chose to buy this Desire S and didn't wait for the new models! :-(
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Something I found interesting over at the Sensation forums..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533238
Wondering if this could somehow be nodded and implemented on our phone...
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Well, yess. I have noticed that even the old HTC Desire had better image quality than HTC Desire S. To be honest, Desire S image quality is awful, it's pixelate and dirty. Nevermind am I using stock rom or MIUI. The old Desire had so much better picture quality, of course video quality on new Desire S is way better.
So what the heck, HTC gave us worse camera sensor that before we had?
Any chances to improve camera picture quality?
Lowered quality shots in the dark plague all cameras. Shots on my Desire S are quite ok. If you take the time to do more than just "point-&-shoot", the image quality isn't nearly as awful as you claim (conversely, don't spend an hour "view-finding"). Not to mention pro-quality shots I've taken. And I'm just an average guy with a little more than average skill. But it's still just a phone.
The K-series of Sony Ericsson are camera-phones in the real sense of the word camera. My previous K850i would put many a camera to shame (in its time, it did!). If the pictures matter that much, most cameras are actually cheaper than the phones we tote.
Forwox said:
Well, yess. I have noticed that even the old HTC Desire had better image quality than HTC Desire S. To be honest, Desire S image quality is awful, it's pixelate and dirty. Nevermind am I using stock rom or MIUI. The old Desire had so much better picture quality, of course video quality on new Desire S is way better.
So what the heck, HTC gave us worse camera sensor that before we had?
Any chances to improve camera picture quality?
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Since you have both phones, could you take reference pictures?
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Since you have both phones, could you take reference pictures?
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Hemorrdroids Desire S review has comparison shots between the S and original..
The S, is definitely much much better at colour reproduction + clarity....
Dunno what that other guy has... Why would HTC downgrade the camera module?
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I'm using an ICS rom and that seems to have improved the quality of pictures majorly...Or maybe it's because I've been outdoors more with better lighting...Either way, everyone get a damn ICS rom
Thanx
littledude565 said:
I'm using an ICS rom and that seems to have improved the quality of pictures majorly...Or maybe it's because I've been outdoors more with better lighting...Either way, everyone get a damn ICS rom
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This is not true for Sense 4.0 ROMs.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Nokia 6 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Rommco05 said:
Hi all, please can someone post fotos with zip file? I want order Nokia 6 but I want see fotos from real usage. Thx and have nice day
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Here is the zip file: View attachment Photos.rar
The 16 mp cam is good but id say its not that great, lacks manual Control however VSCO edits give me some relief, where as the selfie cam is very bad and im very disappointed! Like I still look ugly on the front cam and VSCO cant do anything about it either where as my last phone managed to give better saturation at 5 mp! THE 8mp on Nokia6 is terrible! Is it just me?
I've read about this a month ago: reddit. com/r/Nokia/comments/6ti8ik/installed_the_new_google_camera_apk_with_hdr_on/
I've done it on my phone and surprisingly, it does improve photos quality a little bit.
Coming from lumia phones,I would say hugely disappointing camera.I miss my old lumias so much more once again.With years of use I am so familiar with nokia pro cam app and extraordinary pictures,it feels like this is not even a nokia camera.
Trust me I am not comparing top end lumias with pureview and zeiss lenses.Cheapest lumias like 630 with 5mp camera (no pureview,no zeiss,no flash) outperforms it by a great margin.
Yellow photos are extremely annoying but it vastly improved after oreo.Gcam from xda gives good results as well.
Personally i feel,the hardware is not so bad but the software is not using it properly.Some half decent shots I have managed to take with it.
Hdr on.Rest all are auto mode Flash off.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PAKWqOneq5d7h8dm1
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nix.payne said:
The 16 mp cam is good but id say its not that great, lacks manual Control however VSCO edits give me some relief, where as the selfie cam is very bad and im very disappointed! Like I still look ugly on the front cam and VSCO cant do anything about it either where as my last phone managed to give better saturation at 5 mp! THE 8mp on Nokia6 is terrible! Is it just me?
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No it is a fact.You are absolutely right.A 5mp camera of dirt cheap lumia 630 outperforms it in every aspect.I am not even trying to compare it with even mid range lumias.
depends on the lighting imo, outdoors by day photos don't like bad. indoors with room lighting photos can be blurry and pixelated
pretty disappointed in the camera as well, i've seen better results on a lower px chinese phone cameras
as can be seen from these two images, one is without flash and the other is with flash
here is a short clip demonstrating camera outdoors by day, picture quality is the same as in the video
https://streamable.com/zm6yg
Can any specify the aperture size of rear camera??
OG Nokia 6 Photos
Some photos I took with an OG Nokia 6 for those that were interested:
Google Camera
The camera itself is much better when using Google Camera apk
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy A70 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
takes good pictures in bright light, however, once your light levels get lower the quality is bad (very grainy)
Is there any app one can suggest to use the sensor better? i find the camera modes not using the sensor to full capacity
i found that ALL the apps i tried see the sensor as 8 Mpix only
All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
I didn't buy this phone for the camera. The phone was half the price of a Pixel device. The camera is an upgrade over my previous device which has a camera from 2014. I agree the A70 is not even in the same league as the devices that cost more. I recommend using the money saved and buy a standalone camera if you are serious about photography. I can overlook this flaw because I don't take a lot of pictures.
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All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
Khalid Madkour said:
You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
Swizzy88 said:
When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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Hi, Swizzy, the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1, once the image is taken at 6528x4896 the processing combines 4 pixels to 1 increasing the pixel size to improve low light, this gives a finished image quater the size hence 8mp.
Check the gcam port thread and the comments people made about gcam only showing the main camera as 8mp.
Install gcam 6.2
I use default camera only for ultrawide and to use depht sensor on objects
samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
Marcury said:
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
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Camera is not weak, even if is good light. But keep in mind this is mid range. Older S8+ is flagship in which was added the best what was that time. So it's normal that Samsung S8+ maybe doing better photo, how u writing. But I have Samsung A70 and I can say for daily personal usage it is enough good quality and is not a shame to share it for others people, friends. Yes in bad light photo have a little bit noise. Keep in mind and fact that this is not professional camera, noise doing S8+ too. Noise at all is not good thing and with this facing a lot of smartphone and it doesn't matter which status it is: mid range or flagship, but that's why this phone or any newest other (probably, i'm not sure about very cheap mid range) have night mode which doing a little bit better photo as normal mode. Also, maybe my requirements is not so big as yours for camera, but a lot of experts, owners said that this is pretty good camera in generally. Photo is enough detailed and bright if you don't zooming it too much. If say honest strange thing is too take photo and zoom it a lot of at all. I looking into normal photo and don't looking for convergences of pixels, details
I found in youtube S8+ vs A70 camera compare (it is not yours? ), so maybe this will help to see others better and do not trust just yours negative opinion about this phone's camera (without fact that in bad light photo is really not good and have a little bit noises if say softy)
Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvpPzRnpog
My opinion in this video S8+ doing too colored photo. I like photo in which is real colors, but is not too much bolded. Red looks like creepy red, too much red here as possible to see. That's artificial, not real image. Brightness is enough the same from both models, of course there is some fusions in photo taken with Samsung A70, but these fusions most time is see when you zooming a lot of photo or doing that with camera as I mentioned. Then details is with noise a little bit, But I really don't know where did you found weakness in A70 camera (sounds from you like A70 photo is very bad what is not true my opinion and how I saw from others about this phone ), my opinion as I mentioned A70 doing enough good photo. I'm not professional photographer, but I seeing into phone camera not like in professional device with which you can do very impressive quality photo - even in night or when is bad light, so maybe that's why my strictness is not so big as probably yours. Also keep in mind most mobile camera in bad light doing photo with noise, S8+ is not exception as I mentioned too and S8+ is flagship. So maybe compare S8+ with S9 or better S10???
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sebx_g1 said:
Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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Samsung A70 haven't auto focus: Front Camera - Auto Focus - No, see in Samsung web site https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-a70/SM-A705FZKUBTU/
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xprzs said:
samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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I disagree. Sony than from afar does not match with Samsung's mid range or Samsung smartphones at all. For example: in my location is selling now Sony Xperia 10 Plus (price 360 euros) and Samsung A70 (price 337 - 350), the same shop, but Samsung A70 different colors have a little bit different prices. So prices is almost the same, right? But let's see what is inside phones:
Source: https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591
SHORT COMPARE
XPERIA 10 PLUS:
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2520 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~422 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Qualcomm SDM636 Snapdragon 636 (14 nm). Octa-core (4x1.8 GHz Kryo 260 Gold & 4x1.6 GHz Kryo 260 Silver). 64GB 4GB RAM, 64GB 6GB RAM. 12 MP, f/1.8, 27mm (wide), 1/2.8", 1.25µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom. [email protected], [email protected] 8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm. A-GPS, GLONASS. Non-removable Li-Ion 3000 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 18W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2159 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 1764 Basemark X: 15035
SAMSUNG A70:
Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2400 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~393 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 3 (strange decision from Samsung, but... we have what we have). Qualcomm SDM675 Snapdragon 675 (11 nm). Octa-core (2x2.0 GHz Kryo 460 Gold & 6x1.7 GHz Kryo 460 Silver). 128GB 6GB RAM, 128GB 8GB RAM (Sony don't adding even in flagship 8GB RAM memory - shame). 32 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, 5 MP, f/2.2, (wide), 1/5.0", 1.12µm, depth sensor. [email protected], [email protected]/240fps. 32 MP, f/2.0, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm. A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, BDS. Non-removable Li-Po 4500 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 25W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2814 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 2737 Basemark X: 19341
This is not all specifications, but my opinion most important in smartphone. As you can see in most thing Samsung A70 is much more better as Sony which have biggest price a little bit, but looks much more worst as Samsung. I agree if you want to say that Chinese manufacturers making better smartphone for the same prices, yes i could buy Xiaomi Mi 9T, which in my location from the same shop cost 328 euros. But Xioami Mi9T:
1. Is Chinese smartphone. I have Xiaomi (Amazfit smart watch), so i know how they like to do a lot of bugs in software and how hard to fix it, to present world wide features, but most of them do not add in international versions.
2. Amazfit's, which is part of Xioami, support is very bad, agents looks like assholes from child's garden. But maybe with Xioami this problem is not exit, some saying it different support quality, but after smart watch i don't trust this company anymore. Even when is a lot of bugs in watch and so hard they fixing it.
3. This is compare of all these models https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591&idPhone3=9738#diff- in which you can see that Xioami Mi9T is a little more powerfull smartphone compare with these models (Qualcomm SDM730 Snapdragon 730 (8 nm), Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 470 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 470 Silver), Adreno 618), but i heard that apps like to force close often, maybe it's already fixed, but... also haven't memory card which for me is very important. Camera in Xioami Mi9T is much more better as Samsung A70 (48 MP, f/1.8, 26mm (wide), 1/2.0", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom, 13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.12µm), also recording is [email protected], [email protected]/120/240fps, [email protected], included steady shot. But battery is only Non-removable Li-Po 4000 mAh battery with only Fast battery charging 18W. So i disagree that Samsung compare quality and price is bad, coz Sony here looks much more worst and even compare with Xiaomi Samsung is not so bad. Some specifications better have Xioami, some Samsung. Which by the way is very important to me.
Mow Down said:
the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1
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Ahem, no. Just no.
I agree with all who say that photo quality is terrible. I had an S8, the pictures taken with that looked very good out of the box. The picture processing on the A70 is just awful:
-It oversharpens way too much, especially in low light, the sharpening halos are painful to look at
-It does overly aggressive noise reduction which results in a serious lack of detail. Even by just zooming in a little bit it becomes clear that however the image looks "sharp" in 0% magnification there are literally no details captured as they are killed by the noise reduction
One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy.
I actually compared the photos from the A70 with my old (still working good) galaxy s5, and i was shocked, as in many scenarios the S5 actually produced much more detailed and vibrant pictures. That's when I decided to try the GCAM. I'm so happy right now, as this actually brings up the A70 camera quality to the level of the Galaxy s8 which I had previously as a company phone. With the GCAM the pictures are looking flagship-camera like with details properly captured, white balance is spot on (stock camera messes that up too, it takes too warm pictures almost in all scenarios), and the dynamic range is excellent too. And most importantly, there is no hideous oversharpening going on with the GCAM.
I'll link the images soon when i have a chance to upload them.
Swordfishx86 said:
Ahem, no. Just no.
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Can you elaborate on that? I just wrote a comment, let me quote the respective part:
"One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy."
Thanks
8mp interpolated to 32mp
what the hell is binning?
it is good old interpolation
this is an awful phone, awful camera quality, (because of an awful sensor)
no software support, one ui 1.0 is far worse than its rivals.
they marketed the one ui 2.0 and android 10 updates, but they are constantly postponed... to an unknown date...
because the lier company is busy with releasing other crap phones (like the a71, 51 vsvs)
they do not have any respect to the old customers, they just flood market
by flood marketing, every 3-4 months they release 3-4 new crap models, they are almost the same hardware as the older models.
they have many marketing lies, and they hope to fool more new customers by these marketing lies.
Yep the camera is terrible.
I was hoping they would do something via updates - but no.
I love the screen, size is great for me. Performance is good for my use, battery good. In screen finger print sensor is sub par but I can put up with it.
But the camera - oh dear - it's not as if the phone is a cheap and nasty phone - but the pictures it takes look like it is....
In most respects it's the best phone I have ever had (I don't do flag ships) - but they camera!!
I think you get the picture (pun intended).
Cheers
I posted an article on samsung community with pictures to compare the stock cam to gcam in lower light conditions. Also, I explain how the 32 megapixel sensor ends up shooting 12 MPG photos with "pixel binning". Let me quickly sum that up here as more people were asking this:
The 32MP camera is used in pixel binning mode, that results in a 8 MP shot (4 pixels are grouped as 1), AND the software actually UPSCALES that 8 MP shot to 12 by basically stretching the image with some AI quality retain helping process. What the actual hell. So yeah. Basically this phone takes 8 megapixel photos, which are then enlarged to 12.
I would have never thought that samsung would pull something as cheap as this on their customers. I'm now at a point that I'm going to use this phone for now, as it was basically free when I joined a phone fleet, but when it will come to my money, I will never opt for a samsung again. This is a shame btw, as the phone itself is not bad actually. Screen is epic, the battery is killer, and oneUI is actually very good, seems quite fluent and polished. Unfortunately the photo quality is not only bad thing (WIFI download speed is sluggish, touchscreen has sensitivity and touch registering issues, and fingerprint sensor is very unreliable), but the most ridiculous is the camera by far.
Below is my topic for the photo quality.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...xy-A70-Camera-performance-issues/td-p/1565446
Cheers.