This kernel is based on Thalamus's Oxygen Kernel but with AVS and he's given me permission to post it here for testing.
I implemented AVS from scratch (based on the Code Aurora kernel) and it seems to work well for me.
AVS uses some hardware to emulate the longest gate delays through the CPU datapath. If the delay is longer than expected, the CPU voltage can be decreased, if shorter then it can be increased. This means that the CPU is always running near the minimum voltage it requires and because power consumption rises with the square of voltage this is a good thing.
Here are the results of some initial tests (full load, no idle):
Clock Speed, Without AVS, With AVS
1113600,234mA,223mA
998400,207mA,190mA
768000,158mA,138mA
499200,111mA,93mA
384000,90mA,79mA
245000,70mA,64mA
So there are power savings of about 8-15%
All patches are initially pushed here:
https://github.com/dzo/kernel/tree/2.6.35-bravo-exp
and should end up here:
https://github.com/thalamus/kernel/tree/2.6.35-bravo-exp
You can see the current status of AVS by doing:
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cat /sys/module/avs/parameters/status
Doing:
Code:
echo 1 > /sys/module/avs/parameters/debug
will put lots of debugging info in the kernel log.
To disable AVS do:
Code:
echo 0 > /sys/module/avs/parameters/enabled
The minimum voltage is set to 900mV but you can change this using e.g.:
Code:
echo 850 > /sys/module/avs/parameters/vdd_min
Putting too low a value in here will crash your phone because AVS seems to have trouble with low frequencies.
I also added some extra frequency steps, 76.8MHz and 192MHz.
Don't expect huge power savings, the CPU is only one of the things using power on our devices.
I think AVS is a nice idea and I'd like to know how stable it is on other people's phones.
To install, flash the attached update zip from recovery.
Please don't use this kernel unless you are fairly well informed about what you are doing.
15/4/12: Updated kernel with higher vdd_min
Going to give this a test now, I'll report back later.
How did you produce those mA readings btw?
have you tried using other kernels like Eviolets one? does it really save much more battery than EVs?
is it 100% stable??
with the kernel using some hardware to calculate the voltages needed wouldnt it take some more power to get the calculations done?
cez10 said:
have you tried using other kernels like Eviolets one? does it really save much more battery than EVs?
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Why don't you try it and find out instead of asking questions.
is it 100% stable??
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I think the words '[Kernel]Experimental' in the thread title are a clue.
with the kernel using some hardware to calculate the voltages needed wouldnt it take some more power to get the calculations done?
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The overhead of the calculations is negligible.
So this is only for gingerbread AOSP ROMs or works on Sense as well?
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So this is only for gingerbread AOSP ROMs or works on Sense as well?
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Oh my...people just want to be spoonfed on XDA these days.
This kernel is based on Thalamus's Oxygen Kernel
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As Oxygen is an AOSP ROM it's fairly clear that it's not going to be a sense kernel isn't it?
Thanks for sharing this.
What are the available governors? I can't find this information on github.
Will switching between governors (depending on phone state) cause any issues with the voltage change, that aren't advised?
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Oh my...people just want to be spoonfed on XDA these days.
As Oxygen is an AOSP ROM it's fairly clear that it's not going to be a sense kernel isn't it?
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He never mentioned it is specifically for AOSP or Sense ROMs. I was wondering if this is just a separate script, not kernel dependent. But if I give it a 2nd read then yes, it seems indeed it is an entire kernel, my bad, no need for a spoon...or w/e it means.
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He never mentioned it is specifically for AOSP or Sense ROMs. I was wondering if this is just a separate script, not kernel dependent. But if I give it a 2nd read then yes, it seems indeed it is an entire kernel, my bad, no need for a spoon...or w/e it means.
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Don't listen to Thalamus. He has no time for people less "knowledgeable" than him. There was a time where I thought a kernel was a kernel.
I thought I had escaped his unhelpful comments when I left Oxygen thanks to his attitude (if you don't like his attitude, then tough is the general gist of it). If he was a shop owner he would go bankrupt, quickly, as he has no people skills whatsoever.
If he wasn't a dev, he would be labeled a troll, yet he is allowed to get away with being nasty to people. When will XDA introduce a -thanks button?
I think the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
Thanks, this one looks like a good project
As to stability: i've been using this kernel for a couple hours without issues, with very small draining btw; anyway a few minutes ago the phone became unresponsive: i was just typing a message with whatsapp, clocked 192x806, and a freeze occurred. A soft reset did the trick.
Keep up the good job
Edit: i'm on beta 2 fyi...
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Don't listen to Thalamus. He has no time for people less "knowledgeable" than him. There was a time where I thought a kernel was a kernel.
I thought I had escaped his unhelpful comments when I left Oxygen thanks to his attitude (if you don't like his attitude, then tough is the general gist of it). If he was a shop owner he would go bankrupt, quickly, as he has no people skills whatsoever.
If he wasn't a dev, he would be labeled a troll, yet he is allowed to get away with being nasty to people. When will XDA introduce a -thanks button?
I think the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
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Hahahahahaha.
That cheered me up, I'm having a crap day.
Happy to be of assistance.
Edit: You prove how little you know about me by saying that I have no time for people less knowledgeable than me. That is totally untrue. I spend a lot of time helping people who are less knowledgeable than me. What I have no time for is laziness, people who won't help themselves or idiots. There is a big difference.
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Hahahahahaha.
That cheered me up, I'm having a crap day.
Happy to be of assistance.
Edit: You prove how little you know about me by saying that I have no time for people less knowledgeable than me. That is totally untrue. I spend a lot of time helping people who are less knowledgeable than me. What I have no time for is laziness, people who won't help themselves or idiots. There is a big difference.
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I only base my observation on posts of yours that I have read. Rather than shooting people down, advise them so they can improve their knowledge.
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In Airplane mode i had 2mA battery usage all night without AVS and 5mA usage with AVS. This is via Battery monitor widget.
Xinot said:
In Airplane mode i had 2mA battery usage all night without AVS and 5mA usage with AVS. This is via Battery monitor widget.
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AVS has nothing to do with power consumption while the device is asleep. When the phone sleeps, the CPU is power collapsed, i.e. is completely powered down. AVS only changes the voltage while the CPU is awake.
The Kernel work great on Miui 1.4.8 since 2 days! No reboot or freeze... and in idle with JiuceDefender, 652Mhz max ondemand over 3h the device lost only 2% accu
Thanks for your work
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I've just updated the kernel in the first post to increase the minimum voltage and remove some possibly unstable frequencies.
Should be more stable now.
dzo said:
AVS has nothing to do with power consumption while the device is asleep. When the phone sleeps, the CPU is power collapsed, i.e. is completely powered down. AVS only changes the voltage while the CPU is awake.
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OukkiDoukki! So i have something else going on here...
Thanks running sweet keep up the great work using on GV 2.0
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cez10 said:
have you tried using other kernels like Eviolets one? does it really save much more battery than EVs?
is it 100% stable??
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Just a quick post to say that I've been testing this kernel for 2/3 days (actually the version that Thalamus has in his experimental github) and find the battery usage to be the same. But the AVS code seems much cleaner than the implementation I have.
As for stability, I haven't had a single crash yet. And overall speed seems better than on my kernel.
Quadrant also confirms this.
Regards,
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Just a quick post to say that I've been testing this kernel for 2/3 days (actually the version that Thalamus has in his experimental github) and find the battery usage to be the same. But the AVS code seems much cleaner than the implementation I have.
As for stability, I haven't had a single crash yet. And overall speed seems better than on my kernel.
Quadrant also confirms this.
Regards,
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Do you think you will be compiling ManU 1.5 from this source then?
Related
This kernel module allows you to run any stock HTC Froyo kernel with lowered CPU voltages. Reducing voltage decreases power consumption by the CPU, thus lowering heat and increasing battery life.
INSTALL:
You need root or an unrestricted recovery image (e.g ClockworkMod) to install this. The default settings decrease voltage by 75-100 mV which seems stable on my device (HTC Desire) and is reported to be fine on the EVO. Just download the attached file and select it from recovery or ROM Manager.
I've built "update.zip" files for the EVO 4G with Linux kernel versions 2.6.32.15-g746f4f0, 2.6.32.15-ge2fb08e, and 2.6.32.15-g59b9e50. You can check your kernel version in Settings->About phone->Software information.
Other HTC devices running Froyo are supported. If you have a different device, please give me the full version number and I can add an update.zip for it.
Full details and source are in the original thread in the Desire forum:
[KERNEL] Undervolt driver for the stock HTC kernel for Desire and others (2.6.32.15)
Update, 2010-11-22: Added driver for 2.6.32.15-ge2fb08e.
Update, 2010-11-23: Added driver for 2.6.32.15-g59b9e50.
recant: love this idea when trying to keep this stock
Sounds like it would go well with Fresh's new rom.
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Sounds like it would go well with Fresh's new rom.
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+ 1 on that I agree
sweet I like. Does it change the kernel version?
Too weak... funny considering there is more work involved in setting this up than most linux guys even do on a pc... let alone a phone.
tatnai said:
what's this here? sounds like an add on for those too weak at heart to flash a modded kernel. will likely find some friends, strong work.
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tatnai said:
what's this here? sounds like an add on for those too weak at heart to flash a modded kernel. will likely find some friends, strong work.
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Maybe not. I run the netarchy kernel but don't OC because it seems to crash at random times. I use it because the battery life is better than stock.
I'll revert to a clean back-up and give this a try just for giggles.
I would like to see some results.
I say that because I have tried a few havs roms and get worse battery life.
I think what a lot of people don't realize unless they are heavily into overocking is that microadjustments just dont have much effect there needs to be some substantial drops to really have any effect on battery and heat.
I realize that this is no desktop or laptop cpu, and that this cpu is based off such low voltages but such minor voltage adjustments, 80-100mv just arent going to have the desired effect unless that equates to a "substantial" voltage drop.
Not to mention the fact that most of you are going to overclock your phone without the faintest idea that doing so, even with a lower cpu voltage, will still cause worse battery life. This is a fact.. to argue it is futile. Its the nature of the beast.. do some reading and find out for yourself.
You can overcome some things by using on demand overclocking but you have to do extensive testing to find the sweet spot.
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Maybe not. I run the netarchy kernel but don't OC because it seems to crash at random times. I use it because the battery life is better than stock.
I'll revert to a clean back-up and give this a try just for giggles.
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Nice work. I'm not interested in oc'ing, nor flashing a custom kernel. I may give this a go after a few others check in w/ results. I just want to know that it's stable.
I went to your other thread and saw the source. Clever solution, nice work. I really do like that you wrote a device to /proc that does a little more than report the frequencies back. This will make it very easy to write some scripts, or even a UI, that lets me tweak the settings. Hopefully I have some time to work on that in the upcoming weekends.
Will take a look at this first chance I get. Trying to finish my battery logger since everything available now doesn't log exactly what I want to know. Kudos.
Does this make HAVS obsolete ?
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This kernel module allows you to run any stock HTC Froyo kernel with lowered CPU voltages. Reducing voltage decreases power consumption by the CPU, thus lowering heat and increasing battery life.
INSTALL:
You need root or an unrestricted recovery image (e.g ClockworkMod) to install this. The default settings decrease voltage by 75-100 mV which seems stable on my device (HTC Desire) and is reported to be fine on the EVO. Just download the attached file and select it from recovery or ROM Manager.
I've built "update.zip" file for the EVO with Linux kernel version 2.6.32.15-g746f4f0. You can check your kernel version in Settings->About phone->Software information.
Other HTC devices running Froyo are supported. If you have a different device, please give me the full version number and I can add an update.zip for it.
Full details and source are in the original thread in the Desire forum:
[KERNEL] Undervolt driver for the stock HTC kernel for Desire and others (2.6.32.15)
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Undervolting meaning only when screens off or on and off ?
I installed and will get the best battery life yet. Better than when I was with King and other kernels....thanks!!!
Anyone have any results from flashing this yet? How is battery life? Any stability issues?
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Anyone have any results from flashing this yet? How is battery life? Any stability issues?
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No stability issues and it seems to help on battery a little bit but I really can't tell a big deference. I was expecting for it to help out more. Thanks anyways OP for the share
i did say those little microvoltages aint gunna make any difference.
plus if you try to overclock you just cancelled any lowered voltages and actually cause higher power draw than stock mhz at stock voltages.
higher mhz equals higher power draw whether you have it undervolted or not.
you have to make a signifigant drop in voltage to make any difference at all. let alone if you try and overclock.
not trying to dog the guy who discovered this i am just sing plain and simple math, heat, and electronic voltages.
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question there a some diference between this kernel and the once from King and Net, talking about battery life and performance
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question there a some diference between this kernel and the once from King and Net, talking about battery life and performance
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This isn't a kernel its just a couple of files that go with the kernel. One file for initial boot ect/initd and a .ko file that goes in system/lib/module folder.
I have an Evo, [email protected] #11. I would like to try it. Please build an update.zip to support it.
Cheers.
snovvman said:
I have an Evo, [email protected] #11. I would like to try it. Please build an update.zip to support it.
Cheers.
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OP
Sent from my EViO + PURE= PURE Baked EViO
PaulB007 said:
If you haven't been able to get past the HTC screen at boot and keep bootlooping, YOU MUST INSTALL BC'S 1.5 GHZ KERNEL FIRST AND THEN FLASH THESE KERNELS OVER THAT I also just flashed it straight off of a new Mikshift install and I got the bootloop until I did this. So if you guys didn't do this, then install bc's kernel and flash Scary kernel again.
Scaryghoul, I have installed your 1.8 suv successfully on Mikshift. This is great news. I knew it would work, but for some reason I just cant get it running on aosp. I will keep you updated on IRC or through this thread, I haven't seen you on today yet.
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Link to bcnice20's 1.5ghz kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941728
If that doesn't work, try flashing over his 1.8ghz kernel(This is what worked for me, bcnice, if you want me to take down this link just let me know.) - http://thebcblends.com/shift/kernels/Sense-1.8ghz-bfq-test1.zip
Table of contents:
Intro
Features/what this includes
Why it's labeled unstable
Disclaimer
Latest kernels
Instructions for using swap
Governor exlainations
Governor strategies
Recommended apps
Locating cpu% Eaters && other negative items towards battery life
FAQ!
Changelog
Stable/safe voltage kernels
Notes
Source
Credits
Intro: I'm scaryghoul.
What this includes
Swap
BFQ I/o scheduler
Extreme undervolt
Overclocked & underclocked values
HW3D enabled
Sleepers disabled
Smartass governor
New Scary governor!
Tweaked conservative governor
and much more(All of bcnice20's kernel)
Why it's labeled unstable: So I don't get people poking me in the eyes with spoons if/when it freezes up. It actually works quite well, but since I heavily undervolted an undervolted kernel, it is bound to not be 100% stable(It is about 90% stable =P)
Disclaimer: What everyone else puts in kernel threads, about me not being responsible, ect.
Latest kernels
The voltages of the superUV will not work for everyone, if they don't work for you, then try the builds labeled stable
Recommended speeds 245-800mhz or 245-1ghz on scary governor && no setcpu profiles
Scarykernel 1.8 suv - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15373824/Sense/ScarySense1.8Suv.zip
Scarykernel 1.8 stable undervolt - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15373824/Sense/ScarySense1.8Stable.zip
Instructions for using swap
For a swapfile do something like this.
dd if=/dev/zero of=$Swapfile bs=1048576 count=$Size
Where $Swapfile is the location of the file you want, and $Size is the amount of mb for swap you want to use.
Then type
mkswap $Path
swapon $Path
Replacing $Path/$Size with your own values of course, so if I wanted 20mb of swap I'd execute the commands
dd if=/dev/zero of=/sdcard/swapfile bs=1048576 count=20
mkswap /sdcard/swapfile
swapon /sdcard/swapfile
Governor exlainations
Toasty makes one transition to the max speed and stays there(benchmarks only usually)
Batterysave! sits at the bottom and when the cpu load increases past the threshhold it scales up to the next speed and takes another load sample and keeps doing that(best on battery life/performance ratio)
Ondemand sits at the bottom and when the cpu load increases past the threshhold, it scales ot the max speed then takes another load sample and scales down accordingly
Powersave makes one transition to the bottom speed and stays there
Smartass(Quoted from another author http://www.ziggy471.com/2010/11/07/smartass-governor-info ) - "is based on the concept of the interactive governor.
I have always agreed that in theory the way interactive works – by taking over the idle loop – is very attractive. I have never managed to tweak it so it would behave decently in real life. Smartass is a complete rewrite of the code plus more. I think its a success. Performance is on par with the “old” minmax and I think smartass is a bit more responsive. Battery life is hard to quantify precisely but it does spend much more time at the lower frequencies.
Smartass will also cap the max frequency when sleeping to 352Mhz (or if your min frequency is higher than 352 – why?! – it will cap it to your min frequency). Lets take for example the 528/176 kernel, it will sleep at 352/176. No need for sleep profiles any more!"
Scary - A new governor I wrote based on conservative with some smartass features, it scales accordingly to conservatives laws. So it will start from the bottom, take a load sample, if it's above the upthreshold, ramp up only one speed at a time, and ramp down one at a time. It will automatically cap the off screen speeds to 245Mhz, and if your min freq is higher than 245mhz, it will reset the min to 120mhz while screen is off and restore it upon screen awakening, and still scale accordingly to conservatives laws. So it spends most of its time at lower frequencies. The goal of this is to get the best battery life with decent performance. It will give the same performance as conservative right now, it will get tweaked over time.
Governor strategies
Conservative - Upthreshold 85, downthreshold 60
Smartass - Sleep max 245760Hz, Ramp up at 384000Hz at a time, up threshold 90, downthreshold 60
Scary - Upthreshold 80, down threshold 45, sleep max 245760Hz, sleep min, 122880Hz
Recommended apps =)
Zdbox - Great toolbox app, just don't let it run in your notifications bar, it's a cpu eater
Setcpu/Nofrills - Apps that help manage your cpu/profiles/ect.(I don't use them but they're pretty okay)
Perfect system or Elixer widgets - Widgets that monitor battery, current, cpu%, cpu speed, and more(Great for battery guru's)
Adw ex - Smoothest/fasted/lightest ratio in a launcher I've seen so far, and least cpu intensive(for me that's a big thing so the cpu scales less)
Colorize widgets - Great widgets to replace the lpp ones for those converting to other launchers.
AppMonster(pro or free) - Great backup utility, automatically backs up all apps.(I like it better than TB)
GPS Status - Great application for finding satalites near you and helping get a quick lock.
Any go dev team app - Great dev team, all their apps are worth looking at.
Frequently asked questions
Question: My phone is boot looping/not booting on the released suv, what do I do?
Answer: Your phone cannot handle the super undervolted values, you will need to flash the stable undervolted kernel
Question: My phone is running slow on the batterysave or scary governors, what do I do?
Answer: Set your minimum speed higher, those governors spend a lot of time at the lowest values
Question: How do I flash this?
Answer: You probably shouldn't be flashing one of my kernels if you don't know how(Mine are unstable =P)
Question: I'm not getting the amazing battery life/benchmark scores that others are getting
Answer: Well, every device is different, so you may not be able to score as high as some others, but you should get close at least, and the battery completely depends on usage patterns
Question: My phone can't clock to 1.8ghz, or some of the other higher values but does fine on the lower ones
Answer: Every device is different and not all can handle the same speeds/voltages, you are probably better off staying away from the higher speeds, I enabled the speeds but hope that you all are mature enough to handle them
Locating cpu% eating applications.
When in ADB shell type the following
top |grep app
Then look for items with high amounts of cpu% while the phone is idle.
Changelog
v1.8 - Initial kernel release for sense
Safe voltage kernels
v1.8
Scarykernel 1.8 stable - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15373824/Sense/ScarySense1.8Stable.zip
Notes:
No I can't take the overclock any higher, I think everyone who's had a chance to take a crack at this source has tried, and going any higher seizes up after a few seconds.
Here is the source code for this build. I'll try to maintain it, I have a lot of kernel sources, but this will always be the latest release code, unless I state otherwise.
https://github.com/Scaryghoul
Credits: bcnice20 - For 99.8% of his kernel source.
Dogejcr/Preludedrew - For helping me get my laptop setup for kernel compiling.
Testers - For flashing this even though it says unstable :-X
JoesephMother - For helping me unlock the new lower clock values && other kernel related matters =)
x99percent - I used his middle clock speeds between the 3xx->7xx values as a base(edited voltages) as well as used his smartass source.
I see nobody else has chimed in on this kernel yet.. I will install Mikshift tomorrow and report my findings.
Bummer, my phone is a wuss! I can't boot either one of these. Just sits on white screen. They look cool as hell though.
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Yeah both versions don't work on mine.
If you haven't been able to get past the HTC screen at boot and keep bootlooping, YOU MUST INSTALL BC'S 1.5 GHZ KERNEL FIRST AND THEN FLASH THESE KERNELS OVER THAT I also just flashed it straight off of a new Mikshift install and I got the bootloop until I did this. So if you guys didn't do this, then install bc's kernel and flash Scary kernel again.
Scaryghoul, I have installed your 1.8 suv successfully on Mikshift. This is great news. I knew it would work, but for some reason I just cant get it running on aosp. I will keep you updated on IRC or through this thread, I haven't seen you on today yet.
Tried going strait from BC's still no go.
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ozzie1p said:
Bummer, my phone is a wuss! I can't boot either one of these. Just sits on white screen. They look cool as hell though.
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Did you flash over bcnice20's kernel?
PaulB007 said:
If you haven't been able to get past the HTC screen at boot and keep bootlooping, YOU MUST INSTALL BC'S 1.5 GHZ KERNEL FIRST AND THEN FLASH THESE KERNELS OVER THAT I also just flashed it straight off of a new Mikshift install and I got the bootloop until I did this. So if you guys didn't do this, then install bc's kernel and flash Scary kernel again.
Scaryghoul, I have installed your 1.8 suv successfully on Mikshift. This is great news. I knew it would work, but for some reason I just cant get it running on aosp. I will keep you updated on IRC or through this thread, I haven't seen you on today yet.
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Thanks for clarifying that, I took down the links until we can get this working on several devices.
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Tried going strait from BC's still no go.
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Did you try both of them over bcnice20's 1.5ghz? Not everyone can handle the suv one.
edit: Links back up! I need some testers to try the fix at the top.
Ya, I flashed right over the top of bc's. Ill try these new ones.
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Scaryghoul are the reposted links any different than the old kernels you had up the first time? If not, the suv build would boot and run, but after using the phone after awhile for cpu intensive tasks it would lock up and require a battery pull. Im wondering if just a tiny bit more voltage would solve this problem.
On the stable build, it would run a minute or so and always lock up and require a battery pull..
PaulB007 said:
Scaryghoul are the reposted links any different than the old kernels you had up the first time? If not, the suv build would boot and run, but after using the phone after awhile for cpu intensive tasks it would lock up and require a battery pull. Im wondering if just a tiny bit more voltage would solve this problem.
On the stable build, it would run a minute or so and always lock up and require a battery pull..
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Same links....and I see. If the stable build has the same issue as the suv, then it's not the voltage >.<
Oops. Thought they were new. At least I got the flash bug scratched. Flashed over both bc 1.5 and 1.8, no go.
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Scaryghoul said:
Same links....and I see. If the stable build has the same issue as the suv, then it's not the voltage >.<
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Whats the suspected culprit?
ozzie1p said:
Oops. Thought they were new. At least I got the flash bug scratched. Flashed over both bc 1.5 and 1.8, no go.
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Whats the suspected culprit?
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I don't know so much for the freezes, but I believe that the booting has to do with me using my old voltages, and sense handling things differently than aosp >.<
I'll redo the voltage table later.
Just Wondering?
When Source Code is released will you make a suv kernel for the Gingerbread Update i loved it on froyo and mikshift and gave great battery life.
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Just Wondering?
When Source Code is released will you make a suv kernel for the Gingerbread Update i loved it on froyo and mikshift and gave great battery life.
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The source code isn't actually the issue right now. Lack of motivation mainly, I would consider it more if I hadn't deleted my toolchain from my dev station, can't be bothered to get another one setup right now.
When I get motivated again I will, I honestly don't use my phone much anymore(maybe pick it up once or twice a day).
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The source code isn't actually the issue right now. Lack of motivation mainly, I would consider it more if I hadn't deleted my toolchain from my dev station, can't be bothered to get another one setup right now.
When I get motivated again I will, I honestly don't use my phone much anymore(maybe pick it up once or twice a day).
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Ah ok that sucks was really hoping for it but I understand thanks for the fast reply
Scaryghoul said:
The source code isn't actually the issue right now. Lack of motivation mainly, I would consider it more if I hadn't deleted my toolchain from my dev station, can't be bothered to get another one setup right now.
When I get motivated again I will, I honestly don't use my phone much anymore(maybe pick it up once or twice a day).
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The ndk from google's web site has the toolchains needed to build gb kernel in it. The dl isn't terribly huge.
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Yes, I FINALLY did it!!! I overclocked my G2X. I would appreciate if anyone could share their experiences with o.c. pros and cons... Should I retreat or stay where I am? Please some feed back!
Over 1300 seems to cause trouble on mine.
i dont think oc'ing is really that necessary with a phone this fast but if u must i wouldn't go above 1.3 (just seems unstable above that). I think the "Pros" come from being able to underclock. Setting up profiles for uc'ing when screen is off or as battery level drops etc really prolongs the life of the battery (at least in my case)
On my OG droid that came limited at 550 mhz, ya, oc'ing was def necessary but I cant really think of any "Pros" for oc'ing this phone.
each phone is different though so play around and you'll find a combination that works great for your phone, good luck
Well... you can get some serious bench scores... This thing rocks the Mandelbrot multithread test in smartbench 2011 at 1.5 ghz. Other than that it helps with games.
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Well... you can get some serious bench scores... This thing rocks the Mandelbrot multithread test in smartbench 2011 at 1.5 ghz. Other than that it helps with games.
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What about the CPU not having enough cooling and frying the CPU over time. I presume its just like Desktop overclocking but without all the extra cooling you can add to make it safe for the hardware.
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What about the CPU not having enough cooling and frying the CPU over time. I presume its just like Desktop overclocking but without all the extra cooling you can add to make it safe for the hardware.
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But what i really want to know is if oc could damage the phone. After all if there is that danger it's noy worth it...
In all honesty I used to be really into benchmark scores and OCing the heck out of my phone and under volting it in the process but that led to many battery pulls ect. What I've noticed is just keep it at stock and mild uving seems to be the best for me its stable decently fast just 2 cents though
Overclocking a cpu is the same as on a pc, only a bit more dangerous on a phone. (This phone already has overheating problems running at stock speeds ) On a computer, people pay a premium for parts that are easily overclocked, and have either very good fans/heatsinks or a liquid cooling rig.
Overclocking is dangerous, especially because not all chips are going to be made equal, even if they come off the same production line. These chips are designed to run at a certain voltage, and certain clock speed. As far as real world use, (NOT benchmarks. Sure, they look pretty and all, but benchmarks are never very accurate.)
Sure, you might get 2-3 more fps on your games, but is that worth the risk of shortening the life of your chip/phone?
(And just so you know, I've been building/overclocking pc's for years, but I also understand what you need to do to keep it stable, and it's *all about cooling*.)
If you're not convinced, try this. Don't overclock your phone, and use it for a few days. Tell me honestly that you really notice a real-usable difference with the chip overclocked or not. (Games set aside, but like I said, getting a couple extra fps on a game to me isn't worth the risk without a proper cooling setup)
For those of you that really don't understand what you're doing to your chips when you overclock, I'd suggest doing some reading about it. A good place to start would be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking
So you think using fauxs kernel is not safe or reduces the life of the chip? I just flashed it and didnt oc or uv further then fauxs default settings...
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I'm not saying it's for sure, I'm saying there's a chance.
Plus keep in mind that these kernels have other really nice additions besides overclocking and undervolting. I'm using faux's stock voltage kernel ext4, and leaving it at stock settings, and it really works great.
I just posted this up because I see a lot of people more interested in quadrant scores (which to me are pretty useless) than stability of their phones. If you do overclock, and it works for you, more power to you. I just want to inform people. I'd HIGHLY suggest if you aren't sure, read that wiki article, it's a great place to start. (not all information is there, but it gives a very good general idea on how and what overclocking is.)
Thanks! i always like reading knowledgeable and informative posts!
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I'm not saying it's for sure, I'm saying there's a chance.
Plus keep in mind that these kernels have other really nice additions besides overclocking and undervolting. I'm using faux's stock voltage kernel ext4, and leaving it at stock settings, and it really works great.
I just posted this up because I see a lot of people more interested in quadrant scores (which to me are pretty useless) than stability of their phones. If you do overclock, and it works for you, more power to you. I just want to inform people. I'd HIGHLY suggest if you aren't sure, read that wiki article, it's a great place to start. (not all information is there, but it gives a very good general idea on how and what overclocking is.)
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OK, you definitely convinced me.... I have also faux (let me tell you exactly - Kernel Version 2.6.32.9 FR Faux 123-v0.03) on EagleBlood 1.05. Could you please tell me what I need to do set up in order to be safe? Thanks!
I'd just go to faux's thread in the development section (his froyo thread, not the cm7 one, since you're using eagleblood), and download his stock voltage kernel. (It's in the first post.) He's on .04 now, by the way.
Then reboot into recovery, and flash the file you downloaded. It'll overwrite your current kernel and modules with the new one, then reboot.
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I'd just go to faux's thread in the development section (his froyo thread, not the cm7 one, since you're using eagleblood), and download his stock voltage kernel. (It's in the first post.) He's on .04 now, by the way.
Then reboot into recovery, and flash the file you downloaded. It'll overwrite your current kernel and modules with the new one, then reboot.
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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You passed right by it. LGE stock froyo. (That doesn't mean it's a stock froyo rom, it means it's *based* on one )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102720
Choose the stock voltage one. (ext3 or 4, depending on your preference.)
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You passed right by it. LGE stock froyo. (That doesn't mean it's a stock froyo rom, it means it's *based* on one )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102720
Choose the stock voltage one. (ext3 or 4, depending on your preference.)
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Thanks you've been very helpful. That's why I made this post I hope this can help other people as well as it's helped me! )
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I could not find this thread under G2X Android Development Section... I found threads Kernel Trinity, Kernel CM7, Kernel LGE Stock Froyo, Kernel Morphine... Which one is it...? Please do have some patience, at least I learn fast!
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And a lot of times the kernel will be credited to the developer. So if you see "faux's kernel" people are referring to kernels by faux123. Trinity kernels were developed by morfic. If you are having a hard time finding a specific one, look at the top left to see who started the thread and sometimes that will help find it. Does that make sense? I had to pull an overnight at work so I am a little loopy....
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I'm really very happy with my Nexus S 4G. It's unlocked and rooted, but otherwise pure stock and I really like it that way.
Coming from the Hero it's a pleasure to have a phone that doesn't require heavy modification to make it perform properly. Still, I miss the thrill of flashing ROM's and kernels.
I would like to try a kernel...mainly to simply o/c a bit, but I don't want it to suffer stable and reliable operation. I recall with the Hero, some of the kernels would adversely affect things like the GPS, making it something I couldn't rely on.
So my question: what kernel can I use that is uncapped, but will otherwise be as close to stock as possible?
Thanks for your thoughts!
Kernels are pretty different over here. I don't even know what's closest to stock. They pretty much all have mods in them. Matr1x kernel is pretty popular. You may have to up the voltage for it if you oc to 14xx. 1200 seemed pretty stable to me with default voltages. Currently franco kernel is pretty popular. You can't oc it, but it seems pretty snappy without oc. GLaDOS is also being used a bit but i've read some mixed reviews and for me at least it did seem a little lagging at times for the short period I ran it. I tried Trinity kernel when I first moved over from the hero and it seemed kind of flaky though it's possible that could have been due to the kang I was running. There are a few others out there. Cm7 kernel has a lot of the same mods cooked in though it's likely not the latest updates. You will see a lot of mention of BLN and Voodoo. There are apps on the market for those features and there's an app nstools that has some kernel config settings you can adjust depending on kernel. Mainly just try to read a lot. Most of the roms and kernels haven't given me any major issues beyond the random reboot, which coming from the hero, just means "normal" lol.
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Once you flash you can't stop O_O that my experience i'll direct you to Peteralfonso's kernel on his website here
Searching the forums would help you more than anything. You will get more info by searching, rather waiting people to reply here. These questions are asked on daily basis. And get the same replies everyday. I don't sound to be mean but seriously there is more info than you can get by starting another thread, only thing is you need to dig the info.
I have tried a few different roms and kernels and for once cm7 runs perfect for me w the supplied kernel. No reboots. Has been stable at 1440 performance for testing but I usually leave it at 1000 on demand.
Yeah they all have this blinking light crap in it now by default which I hate, and the lights turn off and I don't like that either. I want the light on when I'm using the phone and off when I'm not, not the other way around!
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I like the bln mod, but I do not like the one that turns off the backlights when using the phone. It's just easier to use the buttons imo and gives a quicker visual reference for everything. Otherwise I mostly am left wondering what is up with all the black space.
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suhas_sm said:
Searching the forums would help you more than anything. You will get more info by searching, rather waiting people to reply here. These questions are asked on daily basis. And get the same replies everyday. I don't sound to be mean but seriously there is more info than you can get by starting another thread, only thing is you need to dig the info.
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I hear you on that, and spent a lot of time reading comments and concerns and problems about the various kernels available. They all seem to pretty much be experimental, with various idiosyncratic problems and lots of bells and whistles such as aforementioned BLN, Voodoo, deep idle, etc.
I thought maybe I was missing something in my search for a kernel that would allow o/c, but not have the stability concerns of a the feature-rich, highly customizable kernels.
I think the Matr1x kernel will be your best option, u can OC it till 1400mhz, what I don't recommend to do, but at 1200/1300mhz its pretty stable.
It also got many options like BLN, BLX, Live OC, touch wake, etc.
But if you don't want them, why you just don't use 'em?
Like just flash the kernel and keep it like it is, and maybe do some overclocking.
wanna stable ? stock kernel
basically , there is no kernel more stable then stock ...
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wanna stable ? stock kernel
basically , there is no kernel more stable then stock ...
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True, but he prefers to OC it a bit.
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franciscofranco's kernel (link) works best for me. It's fast (no lags even without OC, I'm running at stock 1000 MHz), reliable (I've been using it for at least month and I haven't got any random reboots or application hangs) and battery efficient (thanks to deep idle and other tweaks).
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Once you flash you can't stop O_O that my experience i'll direct you to Peteralfonso's kernel on his website here
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Never found a more stable kernel than Pete's. However, I've been on Glados for the last week or so and am seeing excellent battery life with Deep Idle.
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True, but he prefers to OC it a bit.
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personally i think overclock is totally unnecessary , why ? 1 GHz is sufficient to handle all job you require to the phone...
Best thing to do would be compile your own stock kernel with oc.
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personally i think overclock is totally unnecessary , why ? 1 GHz is sufficient to handle all job you require to the phone...
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True again. I love 1100mhz because it gives you a bit more speed with no lagg, and you batterylife is still awesome.
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deville~> said:
franciscofranco's kernel (link) works best for me. It's fast (no lags even without OC, I'm running at stock 1000 MHz), reliable (I've been using it for at least month and I haven't got any random reboots or application hangs) and battery efficient (thanks to deep idle and other tweaks).
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with deep idle OFF, the difference between the two is minimal, idle stats displayed deep idle has been 0
Downloaded and testing peter alfonso's kernel now. Its very minimalistic, no options like deep idle etc, and u can OC it up to 1400mhz. Running 400-1100mhz for a day now and the battery life is just awesome.
U can find it on:
http://www.peteralfonso.com
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albundy2010 said:
Best thing to do would be compile your own stock kernel with oc.
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Or one with LiveOC which is kinda better cause it also OC the GPU =D
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the akward moment when someone said they +1'd you but actually didn't -_-
there're too many to choose.i don't like the ones that update so often indeed.
What exactly do i get if i will flash custom kernel to my hammerhead ? What do they provide to make it noticeable to an user ?
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What exactly do i get if i will flash custom kernel to my hammerhead ? What do they provide to make it noticeable to an user ?
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Custom kernels provide improvements, tweaks and more power to the user.
Some provide patches to use certain mods... E.g. Multirom patched kernels
Others allow your phone to be overclocked and undervolted. (Both CPU & GPU)
Some just save more battery than others, some have display tweaks included allowing the user to copy Samsung's saturated screens or even lower saturation.
Remember, not all kernels are compatible with all roms.
Read on the bases of the roms and kernel compatibility!
Happy flashing and good luck!
Valdorous said:
Custom kernels provide improvements, tweaks and more power to the user.
Some provide patches to use certain mods... E.g. Multirom patched kernels
Others allow your phone to be overclocked and undervolted. (Both CPU & GPU)
Some just save more battery than others, some have display tweaks included allowing the user to copy Samsung's saturated screens or even lower saturation.
Remember, not all kernels are compatible with all roms.
Read on the bases of the roms and kernel compatibility!
Happy flashing and good luck!
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Thanks for the explanation, feels like i'm not the guy who would need to overclock my nexus 5, its fast enough for me out of the box. Multi-rom sounds attracting tho.
Stock kernel works just fine
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m4nu4l said:
Thanks for the explanation, feels like i'm not the guy who would need to overclock my nexus 5, its fast enough for me out of the box. Multi-rom sounds attracting tho.
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One thing I forgot to mention are also the sound tweaks!
There are a LOT out there that are really good, although the App Viper4Android will always reign superior!
I do recommend you have a look at some of the kernels.
You can get 150% out of your battery with the right rom/kernel combo and probably more if you sacrifice some performance.
Just saying it's something a lot of people don't experiment with, I personally am a flash-aholic and need to flash new kernels and roms every other day!
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I do recommend you have a look at some of the kernels.
You can get 150% out of your battery with the right rom/kernel combo and probably more if you sacrifice some performance.
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not true.
battery life is dependant on how you personally use your phone, how you set it up, what apps you use, and the quality of your phone/data connection. everything else, including kernels, play a very minor role in battery.
simms22 said:
not true.
battery life is dependant on how you personally use your phone, how you set it up, what apps you use, and the quality of your phone/data connection. everything else, including kernels, play a very minor role in battery.
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Not necessarily, depending on the govenor (that comes with the kernel) your phone can idle better and some kernels have adjustments to the LMK (LowMemoryKiller) which handles background apps differently.
So in my opinion with the same usage and different handling of background apps, including undervolting and a battery saving governor.
You could easily hit 150% of the usual battery life,
Kernels play in that matter a HUGE role.
You could even throw in some display tweaks (in the battery's favour).
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Not necessarily, depending on the govenor (that comes with the kernel) your phone can idle better and some kernels have adjustments to the LMK (LowMemoryKiller) which handles background apps differently.
So in my opinion with the same usage and different handling of background apps, including undervolting and a battery saving governor.
You could easily hit 150% of the usual battery life,
Kernels play in that matter a HUGE role.
You could even throw in some display tweaks (in the battery's favour).
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first off, your "battery saving" govornor doesnt exist. it would depend on exactly what you are doing with the phone. the governor doesnt save battery, it tells your cpu how to behave with the incoming need. and they dont control how your phone idle. i use ondemand, and i doubt many phones idle better than mine.
undervolting DOES NOT save you battery, it can even use more than if not undervolted. the only benefit you will get from undervolting is a little less heat.
and again, kernels do not play a role in battery. if they did, every single person would be using the same battery saving kernel. but we are not. with every single kernel someone will have great battery, and someome will have terrible battery. that's because how ypu use it and your quality phone/data connection pre-decides what your battery will be like.
what you are believing are rumors. stuff people dont really know much about, but still keep repeating the non truth over and over. in reality, kernels have almost no influence in battery.
and btw, everything you can control with a custom kernel, you can with the stock kernel. and people get just as great battery on stock than on a custom kernel.
and yes, i do know what im talking about, ive been part of trinity kernel for 5 years now. and ive helped thousands with android and android related issues, including battery.
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first off, your "battery saving" govornor doesnt exist. it would depend on exactly what you are doing with the phone. the governor doesnt save battery, it tells your cpu how to behave with the incoming need. and they dont control how your phone idle. i use ondemand, and i doubt many phones idle better than mine.
undervolting DOES NOT save you battery, it can even use more than if not undervolted. the only benefit you will get from undervolting is a little less heat.
and again, kernels do not play a role in battery. if they did, every single person would be using the same battery saving kernel. but we are not. with every single kernel someone will have great battery, and someome will have terrible battery. that's because how ypu use it and your quality phone/data connection pre-decides what your battery will be like.
what you are believing are rumors. stuff people dont really know much about, but still keep repeating the non truth over and over. in reality, kernels have almost no influence in battery.
and btw, everything you can control with a custom kernel, you can with the stock kernel. and people get just as great battery on stock than on a custom kernel.
and yes, i do know what im talking about, ive been part of trinity kernel for 5 years now. and ive helped thousands with android and android related issues, including battery.
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I know and have used your kernel.
If you noticed I said "In my opinion". No reason to get aggressive.
I have noticed something else.
And thought it worth sharing.
If I've offended you, I apologize.
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I know and have used your kernel.
If you noticed I said "In my opinion". No reason to get aggressive.
I have noticed something else.
And thought it worth sharing.
If I've offended you, I apologize.
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oh gosh, please dont apologize. i also meant no offence to you.
its not you i am aggressive with btw, its that false info that just wont die. i had still many people do, but its not as bad as before. you dont need to wipe anything when flashing kernels. but, many people used to insist that its a must. i spent a lot of time fighting that falsehood, now i dont see it as much. its the same about battery. if there was a "magic" pill, everyone would be using it. but just as many people using any random kernel will get great battery life on a "battery" saving kernel, and just as many people will get bad battery life as well.
please, again, i didnt mean offence. im just trying to pass the truth around, thats all. its just that this kind of thing isnt an opinion, there is a truth and a false here. id never go against any persons opinion if it was just about opinion.
Yeah....at best....just changing from one kernel to another MAY affect your battery about 5 to 10 percent one way or the other. In other words.....the direct affect on battery is minimal.
The biggest myth in the threads are that rom/kernel combos make big differences in battery life.
Simply put, they don't.
And everything @simms22 said. ?
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And in modern devices anyway....undervolting does nothing but keep heat down a bit.....and under clocking has an extremely minor affect as well.
Don't believe, try it and see. ?
I get the same battery life on any ROM....any kernel.
You can make your own ultra powersaving mode or your own hyper performance mode...
I'm just using custom kernel for gamma control, s2w/s2s (which is very useful for me when reading some articles on Chrome), also for USB OTG mounting. Oh oh, and also for killing time, you know messing up with frequency and stuff lol
Well, personally I never believe about the effect on battery life by using this or that kernel since there are lots of things that can affect your battery life, and for my case data connection is the battery killer :angel:
What are you guys talking about??. No, I'm not a kernel dev BUT I have tried so many ROM's and kernels on different devices for a long time now and by experience I can say that they DO influence battery life. I have seen %~50 increase (compared to stock) and aso have experienced just 4 hours of battery because a buggy kernel patch.
They're not placebo when your device start to last 19 hours instead of just 13 like it did since you bought It.
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What are you guys talking about??. No, I'm not a kernel dev BUT I have tried so many ROM's and kernels on different devices for a long time now and by experience I can say that they DO influence battery life. I have seen %~50 increase (compared to stock) and aso have experienced just 4 hours of battery because a buggy kernel patch.
They're not placebo when your device start to last 19 hours instead of just 13 like it did since you bought It.
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your cpu is set up differently with the custom kernel. thats why. its not the kernel itself. you can set up your cpu on stock so itll be like the custom kernel. its very easy if you are familiar with a few scripts and the root filesystems. for example, i run trinity kernel. with the way trinity kernel sets up my cpu, i get better than stock kernel in battery. trinity set my cpu to run all four cores always on, no hotplugging. it also disables mpdecision. i can set up the stock kernel that way as well. i can do it using a root file explorer, manually, or i can do it via script. and i do know people that run the stock kernel that just get fabulous battery life.
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there are things that you can do with kernel control apps as well.
Sometimes when you flash a kernel...and many times we flash a ROM right before.....you are only getting rid of a battery issue you previously had before you flashed. So with the clean start, of course you're battery will be much better (especially if you had an unfixed or unnoticed issue before)....and sorry to put it this way, but don't know how else to put it....but the less knowledgeable people think its the new kernel that's made such a huge. Pretty much all the most experienced people know kernels don't make a very big difference to battery life. You can flash clean stock with stock kernel and see a huge gain too if you had an issue before.
Test it yourselves. Flash your favorite ROM and some kernel one day. Go a few battery cycles without changing much or installing much. Then flash the same ROM and another kernel. Same changes and same few apps. And so on...
Eventually you'll get the point.
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Sometimes when you flash a kernel...and many times we flash a ROM right before.....you are only getting rid of a battery issue you previously had before you flashed. So with the clean start, of course you're battery will be much better (especially if you had an unfixed or unnoticed issue before)....and sorry to put it this way, but don't know how else to put it....but the less knowledgeable people think its the new kernel that's made such a huge. Pretty much all the most experienced people know kernels don't make a very big difference to battery life. You can flash clean stock with stock kernel and see a huge gain too if you had an issue before.
Test it yourselves. Flash your favorite ROM and some kernel one day. Go a few battery cycles without changing much or installing much. Then flash the same ROM and another kernel. Same changes and same few apps. And so on...
Eventually you'll get the point.
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That right!
It's all about how you feel about your devices.
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your cpu is set up differently with the custom kernel. thats why. its not the kernel itself. you can set up your cpu on stock so itll be like the custom kernel. its very easy if you are familiar with a few scripts and the root filesystems. for example, i run trinity kernel. with the way trinity kernel sets up my cpu, i get better than stock kernel in battery. trinity set my cpu to run all four cores always on, no hotplugging. it also disables mpdecision. i can set up the stock kernel that way as well. i can do it using a root file explorer, manually, or i can do it via script. and i do know people that run the stock kernel that just get fabulous battery life.
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there are things that you can do with kernel control apps as well.
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Ok man whatever, I don't like to argue about the color of the sky so.. Yeah..
Also, I think you should e-mail all the kernel devs and tell them that they're full of bs and that they all are wasting their time improving nothing. You should try to reach Linus Torvalds and tell him that he has to stop developing worthless software, that we all can mod our systems the way we want'em to behave and that we don't need support for newer technology. :good:
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Ok man whatever, I don't like to argue about the color of the sky so.. Yeah..
Also, I think you should e-mail all the kernel devs and tell them that they're full of bs and that they all are wasting their time improving nothing. You should try to reach Linus Torvalds and tell him that he has to stop developing worthless software, that we all can mod our systems the way we want'em to behave and that we don't need support for newer technology. :good:
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It's a good job YOU know what you're talking about, otherwise this thread would have been worthless
The point is you can do some customizations with custom kernels. Gamma control, usb fast charge, etc etc.
But battery life? I never see the difference even with the similar usage that I always do every single day, really, I'm living in Indonesia and the data connection is the battery killer that makes me swearing aaaaall the time lol
I have tried that kernel this kernel (except caf kernel), you name it, but still nothing different, except each of them has their own characteristics.
My own solution? I bought a powerbank, that's my magic pill when my phone is out of battery.
Please, don't think I'm bashing kernel devs out there, they do fantastic job with their creations and I hope they don't stop doing that, I myself using ElementalX, because I need the features that the dev offers to user like me.
Sorry if my English is that bad :/
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Ok man whatever, I don't like to argue about the color of the sky so.. Yeah..
Also, I think you should e-mail all the kernel devs and tell them that they're full of bs and that they all are wasting their time improving nothing. You should try to reach Linus Torvalds and tell him that he has to stop developing worthless software, that we all can mod our systems the way we want'em to behave and that we don't need support for newer technology. :good:
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