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I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
wagz said:
I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
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T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
AT&T 3G
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
sultanofsumar said:
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
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are you saying you have not been able to get the phone to work on att's 3G network? i've read on howard forums where other owners are seeing the "H" and "3G", suggesting that others have been able to connect...
3G
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
sultanofsumar said:
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
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When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
att 3g
I did it manually. I figured it wouldn't work on auto. I will try the auto detect and see what happens.
3g is up
Well it says G right now, but not 3G. I know I have crappy reception here so maybe it will change. Thanks though.
yep... having good HSDPA/UMTS coverage is a must to access the network. if it says "G", you're using GPRS, "E", you're using Edge, "3G", you're using UMTS, "H" you're using HSDPA. you might check att's website to see if you have high-speed coverage in your location. every HTC 3G capable device (e.g., supports Triband HSDPA) that i've purchased has always connected to att's network with the "Auto" Band setting...
kolobok01 said:
T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
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Ah this sucks. Why can't America just use the same frequencies as the rest of the world. I don't want to have to purchase another expensive phone right after purchasing this one. Looks like a Sony X1 will eventually be in my future
Thanks for the reply.
3G???
I had it on auto all day, but no little 3G icon. I know there is coverage, becuase my TYTN and even my blackjack picked it up right away. I guess I'll just keep looking..........
AT&T 3G
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
mpf54 said:
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I too have found you need to leave the phone set to Auto. A soft reset after you change it from manual selection to auto gets me the 3G back immediately on boot up.
ATT 3G
I have ATT 3G & H in some areas when I travel but my home area does not have 3G coverage only EDGE at the moment. It depends on ATT's coverage whether you will get 3G or H. The phone is fully capable to work with ATT.
got my Orbit 2 today, and HSDPA & UMTS are working fine (in dallas)...
using a polaris with at&t in buffalo, ny. 3g and HSPDA work fine in most areas. sometimes if i go deep within a building it will swtich to edge which is normal.
3G!
cortezzi said:
When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
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Well now that I put everything on auto and soft reset I am gettin 3G and H UMPTS all over the place. Thanks!
Hello everyone. I just got my Touch Pro 2 from Telus and got it sim-unlocked. I am using it with Rogers wireless. So far so good. Except that 3G does not work Oh well..
mmmhhh86 said:
Hello everyone. I just got my Touch Pro 2 from Telus and got it sim-unlocked. I am using it with Rogers wireless. So far so good. Except that 3G does not work Oh well..
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Same thing with T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T network. Compare Rogers and Telus 3G bands. It might be different.
not to sound rude, but is the telus 3g (hspa) network even up yet?
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not to sound rude, but is the telus 3g (hspa) network even up yet?
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lol yeah I think so. I think its called 1x or something like that. I'm not very familiar with the CDMA phones but they advertise that you can use the phone to surf 3G speeds on their network so I'm pretty sure they have 3G speeds.
Sorry, but i'm using TELUS and the HSPA network won't be up till next year and trust me, Telus speeds now are NOTHING close to 3G.
I'm not sure how they are advertising these 3G speeds but 1x is actually slower than what Telus is currently using which is EVDO.
slight22 said:
Sorry, but i'm using TELUS and the HSPA network won't be up till next year and trust me, Telus speeds now are NOTHING close to 3G.
I'm not sure how they are advertising these 3G speeds but 1x is actually slower than what Telus is currently using which is EVDO.
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i dont think thats true at all. i get speeds of up to 2.8mg downlink and 500k up.
ive downloaded while tethering upwards up 300kb/s. you might be in an area with 1x coverage, and not EVDO. PLUS make sure the device you are using isnt just EVDO, it has to be EVDO REV A. (touch pro, diamond, touch pro 2, touch, etc). Hope you get better speeds. CHears
Telus EVDO is not slow. Unfortunately the HDPA network is not up yet but it should be online VERY soon as the Olympics are drawing close and this is the reason why Telus is upgrading the network before Feb. 2010 here in Vancouver.
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i dont think thats true at all. i get speeds of up to 2.8mg downlink and 500k up.
ive downloaded while tethering upwards up 300kb/s. you might be in an area with 1x coverage, and not EVDO. PLUS make sure the device you are using isnt just EVDO, it has to be EVDO REV A. (touch pro, diamond, touch pro 2, touch, etc). Hope you get better speeds. CHears
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Where the heck are you located?? I'm using a TP2 with full EV signal and i'm getting 400-600k and that's in the downtown core. And from what telus tells me thats the best they can do till they put the HSPA network up. They said CDMA is only capable of 7-750k max, there is no getting over that. But i'd love to know how your getting 2.8 meg, because technically thats roughly 2100k faster than what telus says we can get.
And Jessie is right Telus has a goal to sell phones during the olympics and they plan to have the HSPA up by then.
Yup I'm pretty sure I saw Telus advertising their high speed somewhere
im using a physical sim-card thingy to allow other sim cards to work in my telus TP2, it works (since it does not give me the regular error and i can see the numbers in it), but how do I stop it from using CDMA and go on GSM only?
Guys
I'm hoping you can help us no CDMA users with this question.
Considering that the CDMA TP2 has both GSM and CDMA radios, can I pop in a GSM SIM CARD and enjoy full GSM coverage including use of Asia and European 3G bands?
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Guys
I'm hoping you can help us no CDMA users with this question.
Considering that the CDMA TP2 has both GSM and CDMA radios, can I pop in a GSM SIM CARD and enjoy full GSM coverage including use of Asia and European 3G bands?
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Yes you can use it on GSM networks. If you want to use the phone on a SIM other that the company's provided sim you need to sim-unlock it. The 3G will work in Asia and Europe but not in North AMerica because the bands are different and the TP2 supports those of Asia and Europe only (the North American CDMA version).
julienrl said:
im using a physical sim-card thingy to allow other sim cards to work in my telus TP2, it works (since it does not give me the regular error and i can see the numbers in it), but how do I stop it from using CDMA and go on GSM only?
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Go to Phone Settings and select the Network tab then select GSM only instead of Global or CDMA
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Yes you can use it on GSM networks. If you want to use the phone on a SIM other that the company's provided sim you need to sim-unlock it. The 3G will work in Asia and Europe but not in North AMerica because the bands are different and the TP2 supports those of Asia and Europe only (the North American CDMA version).
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It is quadband gsm.... works on all continents.... provided it is unlocked or you are paying for global roaming.
hello guys, im going to purchase verizon tp2 cause they say it supports gsm and cheaper than the generic nonbranded version. tmobile's design i dislike. so as im going to use it only with gsm sim, i have such questions, are there any differences in use between gsm and vzw versions except i must select gsm mode? can i flash it with generic tp2 roms?
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okay, seems to be cdma versions cant be flashed to gsm as it is another model id(rhod400 and rhod500)
so i have one more question, will i be able to use internet on vzw tp2 without any restrictions on its stock rom now, when hardspl have not been released yet?
Just to be sure I understand if I want to buy a TP2 in Canada...
The Telus version will not be able to use GSN (Fido/Rogers) 3G network because the 3G bands are not the same as the TP2 from the United-States and Europe?
If so, would this version of the TP2 work with Fido/Rogers GSM 3g ?
http://www.puremobile.ca/HTC/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Black-GSM-Phone/
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Just to be sure I understand if I want to buy a TP2 in Canada...
The Telus version will not be able to use GSN (Fido/Rogers) 3G network because the 3G bands are not the same as the TP2 from the United-States and Europe?
If so, would this version of the TP2 work with Fido/Rogers GSM 3g ?
http://www.puremobile.ca/HTC/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Black-GSM-Phone/
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I dont think so. I dont think there's a PRO 2 that supports our North American 3G bands.. At least not yet.. For the question above. Yes it is GSM quadband but not 3G quadband. This is different. It is 3G dualband and supports those of Asia and Europe only. Unfortunately.
That's a good and clear answer! Thx !
No problem. I think when and if AT&T or some North American GSM carrier releases the TP2, then the 3G will definitely work here in NA. Otherwise the current versions only support Asia and Europe.
Another question, can we install a custom ROM on the worldphone telus Touch Pro 2 like the other GSM phones? (I dont think so but I found two opposite answers on this forum).
Hello,
I am a noob at this so please bear with me.
I have a Telus TP2 and I have unlocked it using the software provided by Olipro.
My objective is to switch my network over to Telus' new UMTS network, using one of their sim cards. Right now it is functioning on Telus' CDMA network.
My question is: Do I need to flash a new Radio to accomplish this? My phone still has the 2.05.00 WV radio on it now. I just need to know if I need to go get a WU radio in order to use Telus' new network.
Thanks in advance.
Hedake said:
Hello,
I am a noob at this so please bear with me.
I have a Telus TP2 and I have unlocked it using the software provided by Olipro.
My objective is to switch my network over to Telus' new UMTS network, using one of their sim cards. Right now it is functioning on Telus' CDMA network.
My question is: Do I need to flash a new Radio to accomplish this? My phone still has the 2.05.00 WV radio on it now. I just need to know if I need to go get a WU radio in order to use Telus' new network.
Thanks in advance.
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The Telus TP2 supports UMTS 2100.
Telus uses UMTS 850/1900 for its 3G network.
In order to get the TP2 running on the UMTS network you'll want to grab a ATT GSM variant from the states and unlock that.
IIRC, Telus is jumping straight to WCDMA/UMTS so it won't be supporting the standard GSM bands. If that's the case, then your Telus TP2 variant won't have anything to lock onto when it is in "GSM Mode."
Ah dang, I guess I didn't really need to unlock the sim on my phone then because it won't work on Telus' UMTS network...
Oh well, if I decide to go back to Rogers I believe that the Telus TP2 will operate on their GSM network.
Follow up question:
Do I need to get an unlocked Radio to use the Telus TP2 on Rogers' GSM network or will the 2.05.00WV one that I have on now work?
yes, you'll need a WU unlocked radio in order to access GSM radios in the states, and canada as well, i believe.
You can find the link here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578659
Hedake said:
Ah dang, I guess I didn't really need to unlock the sim on my phone then because it won't work on Telus' UMTS network...
Oh well, if I decide to go back to Rogers I believe that the Telus TP2 will operate on their GSM network.
Follow up question:
Do I need to get an unlocked Radio to use the Telus TP2 on Rogers' GSM network or will the 2.05.00WV one that I have on now work?
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It depends on the specific radio firmware in the device.
If it is like the Sprint TP2, then yes, you would need a separate radio. Sprint does not SIM lock its TP2, however it ships them with crippled radio software which has the 850/1900 GSM bands disabled so that it won't work with US GSM carriers (it simply doesn't see the network).
If it is like the Verizon TP2, then no, you would not need a separate radio, though you would need a SIM unlock. Verizon doesn't cripple the radio software in its TP2. It simply uses a traditional SIM lock.
I've heard that the Telus TP2 is like the Sprint model, but I've not seen one to verify.
If you're not sure, then you can always flash the unlocked radio (assuming you're using the unlock software from Oli) and it'll work.
Hey thanks for the information gamescan. I scoured the Telus Mobility website and tried to find information about their new netowork but they just call it HSPA+. No where does it mention that it is UMTS or GSM. Oh well, now I know a little bit more about cell phone tech.
I don't even know if theres any real benefit to being on Telus' UMTS network compared to their CDMA. Im sure there has to be something....
Hedake said:
Hey thanks for the information gamescan. I scoured the Telus Mobility website and tried to find information about their new netowork but they just call it HSPA+. No where does it mention that it is UMTS or GSM. Oh well, now I know a little bit more about cell phone tech.
I don't even know if theres any real benefit to being on Telus' UMTS network compared to their CDMA. Im sure there has to be something....
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Quick 3G primer:
W-CDMA and UMTS are the name of the tech. It's also referred to as FOMA in Japan. Phones generally standardize on the UMTS name, so when you're poking around in your phone and see UMTS followed by a number, that indicates the frequency band that the phone will run on in 3G.
HSDPA, HSUPA and HSPA+ are all further revisions to UMTS. They allow for greater speeds on existing infrastructure so long as both the handset and tower support it.
A rough CDMA equivalent would be EVDO and EVDO Rev A. Older UMTS handsets will still work on a HSPA+ network, they just won't run on HSPA+ speeds the same as a EVDO handset will work on a Rev A network, just not at Rev A speeds.
UMTS is often referred to as "GSM" though that is a misnomer. GSM and UMTS are two separate (but concurrent) technologies. While they often exist together on networks that have been GSM and upgraded, they do not have to exist together. You can have a situation where a UMTS network exists but an underlying GSM "2G" network does not.
The most well known example of this is in Japan where GSM never rolled out, but in your case, where Telus is adding UMTS to an existing CDMA2000 network, is similar.
From a user perspective, there is no real reason for you to want to run UMTS over EVDO on Telus. Telus should have greater EVDO coverage so that's what you'll be wanting.
If you really want to run on the Telus UMTS network, look for an ATT branded Touch Pro 2 and get that. Of course that will not run on the Telus EVDO network.
Thank you again sir! I appreciate the replies.
Just curious about one thing, if Telus' new UMTS network isn't really any better than their CDMA right now, then why do they promote it as such a big deal?
I think I read that in order to evolve into the next big cellphone phase (forget the name) that this UTMS network was necessary but why would anyone care what network they are on as of today?
Also, do you know why CDMA is not the "way of the future" so to speak? I know Telus spent millions upgrading and putting in new towers all over...maybe I should go google this stuff lol.
The future is LTE (which is neither CDMA or GSM).
As for why Telus made a hop to UMTS before going to LTE, I couldn't tell you.
All I can envision is that Telus is looking to be more compatible globally with Europe and Japanese business travellers. It may also be a strategic decision to open up compatibility with more possible phone manufacturers.
Putting 1XRTT CDMA + EVDO + UMTS into a phone is an engineering pain. Adding in multiple frequency support (and properly tuning the antenna) is also a pain. HTC aside, many manufacturers are supporting GSM/UMTS because that's what carriers have. The biggest CDMA markets are the US, Canda and South Korea. While it is a lot of people, it also requires another phone variant.
By overlaying a UMTS network, Telus can suddenly work with any handset that supports UMTS 850/1900. That's what's used by ATT in the US. UMTS 850 is also popular in Australia while Europe and Japan use UMTS 2100. T-Mobile US uses UMTS 1700. Many UMTS phones offer tri-band UMTS 850/1900/2100 support. With one of those phones you can run on just about any current UMTS network in the world (excepting T-Mobile US).
Again, this is just conjecture on my part, but they are possible reasons.
As the title reads out, I was wanting to know if the USCC TP2 will ever work on 3G because Edge is getting a little slow... I have seen the "G" up on my bar before but quickly goes away, so that leads me to believe that it could be possible.
Also, I heard that hardware is compatible with the 3G network. So please, could someone that knows more into this tell me if anything will work or even MIGHT work?
Thank you so much!
-Cyanide
i would also like to know because i just unlocked the us cellular touch pro 2 for use on att. but when i try the internet it just says dialed 777 failed
Hey, in order for that dialed 7777 error to go away, you need to add ATT internet settings instead of the original carrier settings.
So do this...
Go to your Data Connection options
Add New Connection
Then Put this in for the info:
wap.cingular for the APN
[email protected] - username
CINGULAR1 - password
That should work, of course there is an ATT data cab somewhere, but thats how you set it up manually, I hope this helped!
Cyanide
thanks man i really appreciate. kinda new to this but not really. last windows mobikle phone i had was a touch pro. and i bought an iphone after. BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER. now ive forgotten everything
for some reason it wont go E to G and i cant use certain att features like being on the phone and internet please help
cyanide77 said:
As the title reads out, I was wanting to know if the USCC TP2 will ever work on 3G because Edge is getting a little slow... I have seen the "G" up on my bar before but quickly goes away, so that leads me to believe that it could be possible.
Also, I heard that hardware is compatible with the 3G network. So please, could someone that knows more into this tell me if anything will work or even MIGHT work?
Thank you so much!
-Cyanide
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G = GPRS
E = EDGE
G = Slower than EDGE and nothing to do with 3G.
You're not going to get that phone to work on ATT 3G/UMTS. The band support simply isn't there.
gamescan said:
G = GPRS
E = EDGE
G = Slower than EDGE and nothing to do with 3G.
You're not going to get that phone to work on ATT 3G/UMTS. The band support simply isn't there.
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Based on phonearena's tech specs though the TP2 cant even reach full 3g on verizon's network. Here is the link to some verizon phones:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro2-CDMA-phone-p_3710.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-Plus-phone-p_4347.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Motorola-DROID-phone-p_3853.html
Same shows true for both sprint and AT&T versions as well.
So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?
cyanide77 said:
So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?
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The phone has 3g capability, it is not accessing the full power of the network due to hardware though. If AT&T nerfs their non-iPhones to EDGE then that is what you will max at. If you look at the palm pixi or pre it has faster data speeds because of the hardware. In other words i'm not really sure if faster speeds are capable (due to hardware restrictions) and on AT&T i'm even more unsure because of how their apple contract is structured.
Ah that sounds really crazy! Lol, I wish things were simple. And now, I am noticing my Multimedia Messages aren't going though, I am not sure what that is from though. Anyone have a clue on that?
burtonsnow8 said:
Based on phonearena's tech specs though the TP2 cant even reach full 3g on verizon's network.
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What are you talking about? The CDMA TP2 can very well reach 3G speed (EVDO Rev A) on Sprint and Verizon. It'll also reach 3G speed on European WCDMA/UMTS networks. The ATT TP will reach 3G speed on ATT and European WCDMA/UMTS networks.
The statement above doesn't make any sense.
cyanide77 said:
So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?
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All that's required is that you use a version of the phone on a network with a compatible band. The ATT, TMO, Sprint, VZW, etc. TP2s will all reach 3G ontheir respective networks with no problem. When used on other networks the phones may or may not have support for the 3G band used by the network. If it doesn't have the band support then it's not going to work.
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The phone has 3g capability, it is not accessing the full power of the network due to hardware though. If AT&T nerfs their non-iPhones to EDGE then that is what you will max at. If you look at the palm pixi or pre it has faster data speeds because of the hardware. In other words i'm not really sure if faster speeds are capable (due to hardware restrictions) and on AT&T i'm even more unsure because of how their apple contract is structured.
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Please stop making stuff up. This is absolutely not true. The TP2 is not "nerfed." You just need to use the correct model (ie ATT version) on ATT if you want 3G on ATT.
cyanide77 said:
Ah that sounds really crazy! Lol, I wish things were simple. And now, I am noticing my Multimedia Messages aren't going though, I am not sure what that is from though. Anyone have a clue on that?
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It is simple. Stupid simple.
If you want 3G you buy the version of the phone that supports the 3G band that your carrier is using.
As far as MMS, you need to make sure that your account is data enabled and that your phone has the data settings for your carrier loaded.
I found a cab that worked for my ATT MMS settings, that was no problem, but like I stated, I have a US Cellular TP2, so it is not a Tilt 2 (ATT) or I would not be posting in the CDMA section of the TP2 forums.
As far as I know the US Cellular device (TP2) has the hardware requirements of ATT 3G network, and I am asking why will it not work up to 3G speeds? Only thing I could think of is that there is not a specific radio for this yet, or something... because the specs of the USC TP2 does in fact work with the 3G bands of ATT.
So what is stopping the device from connecting to it?
cyanide77 said:
I found a cab that worked for my ATT MMS settings, that was no problem, but like I stated, I have a US Cellular TP2, so it is not a Tilt 2 (ATT) or I would not be posting in the CDMA section of the TP2 forums.
As far as I know the US Cellular device (TP2) has the hardware requirements of ATT 3G network, and I am asking why will it not work up to 3G speeds? Only thing I could think of is that there is not a specific radio for this yet, or something... because the specs of the USC TP2 does in fact work with the 3G bands of ATT.
So what is stopping the device from connecting to it?
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According to all of the hardware specs, none of the TP2 CDMA variants support the 3G bands used by ATT. It will not work because it is simply not compatible.
If you want to use it in Europe or Japan, you'll get 3G. But as far as using it in the US on ATT or TMO, you're only going to get EDGE speeds because those are the only US bands that it supports.
The only versions of the TP2 that support ATT's 3G bands are the ATT version and (if launched) the Australian GSM version. The CDMA versions, the Euro version and the TMO US version will not support ATT 3G.
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According to all of the hardware specs, none of the TP2 CDMA variants support the 3G bands used by ATT. It will not work because it is simply not compatible.
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All the specs I read, the Verizon CDMA phone supports Quad band GSM
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does this not cover the 3G bands ATT uses? I thought it was 1900?
x51 said:
All the specs I read, the Verizon CDMA phone supports Quad band GSM
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does this not cover the 3G bands ATT uses? I thought it was 1900?
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GSM = GPRS (2G) and EDGE (2.5G)
UMTS = 3G
ATT uses GSM 850/1900 for 2G/2.5G and UMTS/WCDMA 850/1900 for 3G.
If you use a CDMA Touch Pro 2 on ATT it'll work on 2G/2.5G (since it is compatible) but it won't work on 3G since the band support isn't there.
If ATT used UMTS 2100 it would work.
so will the US Cellular TP2 ever be able to get 3G from ATT network? or will it always be limited to Edge?
cyanide77 said:
so will the US Cellular TP2 ever be able to get 3G from ATT network? or will it always be limited to Edge?
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Edge.
If you want to use a TP2 on ATT with 3G, get the ATT version.
If you want to use a TP2 on TMO US with 3G, get the TMO US version.
gamescan said:
Edge.
If you want to use a TP2 on ATT with 3G, get the ATT version.
If you want to use a TP2 on TMO US with 3G, get the TMO US version.
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TMo US uses UMTS 2100 for 3G so you should be able to get 3G on TMo but not ATT.
piedra92 said:
TMo US uses UMTS 2100 for 3G so you should be able to get 3G on TMo but not ATT.
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TMO US uses UMTS 1700.
While it technically uses both 1700 and 2100 channels, UMTS 1700 is not the same as UMTS 2100 (used in Europe).
So no, the Sprint TP2 won't use UMTS 2100 on TMO US. It'll just use Edge. Now TMO UK (or anywhere in Europe) it'll get 3G because there they use UMTS 2100.
so there is no way???
i was checking ht cell and in the bands it says umts 850 but nothing happens thats too bad. it lloks like im gonna have to buy a at&t one to be able to work
Hi,
I just bought a Telus Milestone while in Canada las week, I bought it from a Best Buy store in Toronto.
I live in Costa Rica and we use 850mhz 3G band but for some reason is not picking up 3G band only GSM with EDGE data connection.
I already try the "WCDMA only" option but still not working it goes out of service.
Is there anything different in Telus 3G network that could be not compatible here?. All of the iPhones 3G and 3GS work here with no problems, same as some other ATT phones.
According to the FCC my phone supports 850mhz 3G band.
Behind the battery it says: FCC IHDP56KC5
And according to FCC documentation it supports WCDMA 850/1900/2100 plus HSDPA 10.2 mbps
So, I don't know what's going on...
Hope somebody can help me, I heard there is a Field Test hidden option on the phone that can show some troubleshooting information, but I don't know how to access it.
Thanks for the help,
Luis
Planning to buy one too, so it'd be handy to know what's going on there. I take it you bought it unlocked? Also, is the APN and all that setup correctly? How do you have it setup, is it one of the new 3G phone lines or an old GSM one (which are capable of 3G as well)?
I have the exact same problem down in Mexico, I just received an unlocked Telus Milestone and all I get is edge. I am using the same APN configuration that I have on my Rogers Dream (G1) and I do get 3G on that one.
Also, I believe this forums are for HTC phones only, I'm not sure we'll get lots of help here on a Moto issue.
Mine does work on HSPA+ here on Telus.
Just a hypothesis would be: Since it has only been released on HSDPA/HSPA+ network in Canada, they haven't done proper testing on 3G mode and there is a bug in 3G only mode.
Like I said, I can't say for sure since the only other GSM network we have here is rogers which is mixed 3G and HSPA+.
On second thought, I do have a Fido/Rogers SIM lying around so I'll give it a shot over the weekend and let you guys know.
Thanks Ady, it does sound like a compatibility issue. I have tried Telcel, I should be able to try ATT in the US next week.
Other than the 3G issue, this phone very darn nice... way faster than the dream, Multitouch work's great ont the browser.
yeah, its really good.
Update: I gave fido a try and it seems to be working, but on HSPA.
I bought it locked to Telus, and got the unlock code from "UnlockMotoDroid"
My SIM card is one of the old GSM ones, but I already try the new 3G SIM Cards (kolby3g) and same problem, only EDGE data connection. APN and all that is correct.
pasker17, I'll love to hear if you find a solution. Keep me posted.
Ady, agree with you, other than the 3G issue, this phone is pretty awesome..!!! Hope I can find a fix soon. I'm wondering if this could be related to the HSPA+ advanced technology that might not be compatible here, but as far as I know it should be backwards compatible with any other 3G technology.
And also, I heard people is using it with AT&T no problems, 3G data speed. Do they have HSPA+ ?
Thanks for your help guys
AllI can tell you guys is ther eis something diffrent with Radio signal we are using here ( Canada ) and the one in South America, I been tryin to use Latam f/w on my stone and no signal aty all whatsoever , so th eother way around doesnt work , they must be something we are missing about network compatibility , 1 thing I am sure Telus 's 3g network is the new HSPA .
double post sry .
DAG,
Yes, maybe there is some sort of advanced HSPA+ network in Canada, and that might be the reason is not working in some other places.
But as far as I know, all those HSPA+ flavors, should be backwards compatible.
Now I wish Motorola frees the bootloeader and I can try it with some other custom ROM.
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DAG,
Yes, maybe there is some sort of advanced HSPA+ network in Canada, and that might be the reason is not working in some other places.
But as far as I know, all those HSPA+ flavors, should be backwards compatible.
Now I wish Motorola frees the bootloeader and I can try it with some other custom ROM.
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That wouldn't be it. If you the iPhone works in Costa Rica the Milestone should work.
Have you called ICE? From the very brief info I can find on how to get the iPhone to work in Costa Rica it almost appears that ICE itself has to approved the devices on its network. Apparently they have approved the iPhone. I assume they'd do it via IMEI
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That wouldn't be it. If you the iPhone works in Costa Rica the Milestone should work.
Have you called ICE? From the very brief info I can find on how to get the iPhone to work in Costa Rica it almost appears that ICE itself has to approved the devices on its network. Apparently they have approved the iPhone. I assume they'd do it via IMEI
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Yes and no, you do need to provide an IMEI to get your data plan working, but it should work with any device. I did it when I had a 3GS and have used my SIM on other phones and 3G works normally when setting my old apn. This is indeed bizarre
I called ICE, and went to their offices. Milestone is not
in the "approved list" so they won't even take a look. Same with the iPhones they work fine but are not "approved".
They already got my Milestone's IMEI registered on the system.
At the end they told me that this could be a software incompatibility but since the phone is not "in the approve list" there is nothing else to do or test for them.
Since this phone for sure supports 850mhz 3g band, I'm starting to think that it could be a software thing.
I'll be in the US in a couple of week and will try to test it on ATT, I heard a lot of people are using Canadian Milestone there with full 3G speeds
LuisoCR said:
I called ICE, and went to their offices. Milestone is not
in the "approved list" so they won't even take a look. Same with the iPhones they work fine but are not "approved".
They already got my Milestone's IMEI registered on the system.
At the end they told me that this could be a software incompatibility but since the phone is not "in the approve list" there is nothing else to do or test for them.
Since this phone for sure supports 850mhz 3g band, I'm starting to think that it could be a software thing.
I'll be in the US in a couple of week and will try to test it on ATT, I heard a lot of people are using Canadian Milestone there with full 3G speeds
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I take it you've tested known-working SIM cards and all (not only Kolbi ones), I know for a fact that mine works with APN: icecelular, if you care to give it a try with mine, let me know and we can arrange something. I really want to buy a Milestone and want to know if it works with 3g here or not
I've tested GSM Sim Cards (green and pink) and kolbi3g SIM cards, all of them with data enabled, not of them works with 3G data speed only EDGE.
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I've tested GSM Sim Cards (green and pink) and kolbi3g SIM cards, all of them with data enabled, not of them works with 3G data speed only EDGE.
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OK then, if you've tested with apn:icecelular for the old GSM ones, and kolbi3g for the new ones, then I guess it's something specific to the phone, but this is extremely strange. :S
Great... is working now in full 3G speed.
I just applied the Barazilian update to 2.0.1 and my radio baseband was changed. And now I can get full 3g data speeds and I have an "H" symbol on top
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Great... is working now in full 3G speed.
I just applied the Barazilian update to 2.0.1 and my radio baseband was changed. And now I can get full 3g data speeds and I have an "H" symbol on top
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How did you do this? I already ordered mine so as soon as it gets here I want to give it a try
Take a look at this thread
http://alldroid.org/threads/15924-Rooting-Telus-Milestone
They will tell you how to do it and even how to get root access, everybody is doing this in Canada and I already got root access on mine.
Let me know if you need some help
LuisoCR said:
Great... is working now in full 3G speed.
I just applied the Barazilian update to 2.0.1 and my radio baseband was changed. And now I can get full 3g data speeds and I have an "H" symbol on top
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That's great news, guess it was software. haha.