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WM5 vs. WM6 - Why still WM5?

I've noticed that lots of people still use WM5 and I'm curious as to why? Out of the box my Uni has been ridiculously slow on WM5, even if I don't install all the add-in cabs. After upgrading to practically any WM6 rom here the speeds are more in line with what we can expect out of any 500mhz CE device.
So: Why still WM5? What are the benefits to keeping with WM5? Are there any examples that you guys have?

Perhaps because WM5 leaves more free RAM then WM6

For this users WM5 is more stable, but i`m not so sure, WM6 is better solution in my opinion

I personally find the opposite that you have.
WM5 for me is significantly faster than WM6.
Having cooked both WM5 and WM6 roms I will freely admit that WM6 is certainly less restrictive to work with from a developer point of view.
Also on the universal WM6 does not have fully functional videocall and WIFI WPA-PSK can be a pain.
Psi

WM6 as of now is really fast and responsive and doesn't crash anymore if you get the right ROMs. But I remember myself switching back from the early WM6 ROMs to WM5 because even as an early adopter there are limits and those clearly were reached with those releases. They would crash at least 5 times a day and would *never* survive the night. Also the speed was beyond what I would call pleasant even if it was not as bad as the first WM5 versions.
I remember installing the very first release on my x50v back then with high expectations. I was utterly disappointed by a start menu that took 5 seconds (no joke!) to unfold and an overall responsiveness worse than Vista's (which otherwise is the king of sluggishness). But I digress - let's get back to your question.
Besides the already mentioned bugs in the videocall and WiFi functions you also get a nice memory leak (less bad in some of the recent releases), sometimes cut off call notifications, problems with certain radio ROMs (which might be an issue under WM5, too), battery drain problems on some devices and many minor things that - despite our great developers efforts - make you realize that WM6 never was officially released for the Universal.

PsiDOC said:
I personally find the opposite that you have.
WM5 for me is significantly faster than WM6.
Having cooked both WM5 and WM6 roms I will freely admit that WM6 is certainly less restrictive to work with from a developer point of view.
Also on the universal WM6 does not have fully functional videocall and WIFI WPA-PSK can be a pain.
Psi
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I agree with you. We all know that wm6 does not operate at 100% all components of the universal, it has many flaws. At the moment I am still with wm5.
Greetings.

WI-FI and videocall DOES NOT WORK.
Nobody here can fix.
Would-be cooks tryed.. But nobody succeeded.
So: Why sould i use an operative system that CASTRATES Universal's Hardware?
I'm not masochist.
What about you?
Problem is that ONLY PsiDOC is workin'on WM5.
I thank you, PsiDOC..
Thank you very much...

DJ Palmis said:
WI-FI and videocall DOES NOT WORK.
Nobody here can fix.
Would-be cooks tryed.. But nobody succeeded.
So: Why sould i use an operative system that CASTRATES Universal's Hardware?
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my of us can fix .. but guru or not interesting in this .... or that functionality they dont use ... like me

mo3ulla said:
my of us can fix .. but guru or not interesting in this .... or that functionality they dont use ... like me
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[For Italian readers]
Sentite qualcuno può tradurre in inglese "M'AVETE STRAFRACASSATO I COGLIONCINI CON STA RISPOSTA DEL CAZZUS???"
[/italian readers]
Well, i should suggest you and your guru to buy my first mobile phone.
http://www.gigatel.hu/phones/0033.jpg
Belive me: It has the same weight of Universal and it is ONLY A PHONE!
I'm sure you all will like it!
If you want you can write on the top of the screen:
WINDOWS MOBILE 8 (BETA).
EVERYBODY WILL ENVY YOU!!!
NO USELESS FUNCTIONALITY.
NO USELESS VIDEOCALL.
NO USELESS SMS.
NO USELESS MMS.
NO ULTRAUSELESS WI-FI.
Well.. Useless if you live on Antarctic Circle.
BUT i live in Italy.

NO USELESS VIDEOCALL. - uselss in russia and in most part of world ...
NO USELESS SMS.- its work on all wm6
NO USELESS MMS. - mms hehe .. why use mms while we have email ?
NO ULTRAUSELESS WI-FI. - i use uni to coonect with GOLDEN WIFI internet provaider .. its open wifi network without key ... i dont need .. many others will agree with me

I am for WM6. I don't use video call (USELESS for me). WiFi - WPA-PSK works perfectly. No more memory leak as far as I can see. What else can I ask?
I use WM6 on both Universal and X51v.

mo3ulla said:
NO USELESS VIDEOCALL. - uselss in russia and in most part of world ...
NO USELESS SMS.- its work on all wm6
NO USELESS MMS. - mms hehe .. why use mms while we have email ?
NO ULTRAUSELESS WI-FI. - i use uni to coonect with GOLDEN WIFI internet provaider .. its open wifi network without key ... i dont need .. many others will agree with me
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You are absolutely right, I`m from Bulgaria and here we have a 3G with video calls support, but peoples don't use it (me too)

So you bought something that you can't use!
It's like a blind buy La Gioconda???
Why don't you buy a car in Venice or a TV in a desert island?
They are SO PRETTY USELESS!
Lol..
Sorry, but i can't understand your choiches.

DJ Palmis said:
So you bought something that you can't use!
It's like a blind buy La Gioconda???
Why don't you buy a car in Venice or a TV in a desert island?
They are SO PRETTY USELESS!
Lol..
Sorry, but i can't understand your choiches.
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Ha, ha ... I am thinking of buying a motor boat to travel the sahara.
And some wonder ... Why?
But I was indifferent, then I have my motorboat.
Ha, ha ...
I have a universal and I like to use 100%.
Greetings.

DJ Palmis said:
So you bought something that you can't use!
It's like a blind buy La Gioconda???
Why don't you buy a car in Venice or a TV in a desert island?
They are SO PRETTY USELESS!
Lol..
Sorry, but i can't understand your choiches.
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I bought my Universal (new + storage card) for 290$, are You kiddin me
And my choice is:
- big vga screen
- big qwerty keyboard
- fast processor
- laptop like construction
- WM6

My Uni right now has:
02 XDA Exec (G4)
WM6PRO Business AKU 0.7
16gb A-Data SDHC
Crystal Clear Case ;-)
Motorola H375 Bluetooth headset
I tried the other WM6 roms but as everyone just mentioned, memory/feature problems. I was really disappointed by thingonaspring's new wm6 rom but ultimately had issues with battery drainage and odd quirks!
I don't use videocall and all the other features work like a charm (particularly SDHC). I also never reboot with Laurentius' WM6Pro Business Rom! (THANK YOU!) Funny mentioning wifi problems but I haven't had an issue with them once going into my router and making sure the settings match.
Anyway, I'd like to try a WM5 rom, especially if there's speed improvements. Are there any you guys recommend? I'm mostly concerned with stability and speed. Oh, and SDHC is a must so I can use my 16gb SDHC card. ;-)

axebox said:
My Uni right now has:
02 XDA Exec (G4)
WM6PRO Business AKU 0.7
16gb A-Data SDHC
Crystal Clear Case ;-)
Motorola H375 Bluetooth headset
I tried the other WM6 roms but as everyone just mentioned, memory/feature problems. I was really disappointed by thingonaspring's new wm6 rom but ultimately had issues with battery drainage and odd quirks!
I don't use videocall and all the other features work like a charm (particularly SDHC). I also never reboot with Laurentius' WM6Pro Business Rom! (THANK YOU!) Funny mentioning wifi problems but I haven't had an issue with them once going into my router and making sure the settings match.
Anyway, I'd like to try a WM5 rom, especially if there's speed improvements. Are there any you guys recommend? I'm mostly concerned with stability and speed. Oh, and SDHC is a must so I can use my 16gb SDHC card. ;-)
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Which version of Laurentius' WM6Pro do you use, i am new to all this & have tried 2.08.01 which was good apart from contacts & 2.09.01 which works ok but didn't seem to be as stable, with some programs not working as expected. I would like to stick with WM6 if possible. Is there a vanilla Laurentius 2.08.01 around somewhere.

fed up of wm6
hi i had flashed almost all the WM6 roms, was not fully satisfied.. i found only JW's ROM stable, others had issues.. now im back to WM5, and trying to flash some of the cooked WM5 like Psidoc's .. so far im happy with WM5.. i changed the look a bit, using WM6 theme..

Im using Jwrightmcps Crossbow ROM 2.12.08 WWE and love the speed and its very stable. WPA TSK works fine and I have never wanted to make a video call anyway. yes its got a little less ram. on average about 4-5mb less but I can live with that aslo

Pros & Cons
WM6 Advantages (most of the ROMs here)
- better interface, icons
- improved speed
- stable (some of the ROMs are, especially Jwrights & Ranjus latest)
- powerful search function
WM6 Disadvantages
- no videocall
- WiFI unstable for certain configurations
- certain ROMs have SYNC issues especially notes (Ranju's works perfectly)
- camera response is quite slow and some have memory buffer issues
WM5 Advantages (T-Mobile Official AKU3.3, get the latest release on January 2008)
- stable
- all the functions are working and utilized 100%
- good speed (similar to WM6)
- supports SDHC (I tested with 4GB SDHC card)
WM5 Disadvantages
- lacking on the GUI
My verdict
If you want better GUI, go for my favourite Ranju's v5.1 (I have not tested v6 yet), its a very well designed ROM.
If you want full functionality, go for T-Mobile Official AKU3.3 WM5 ROM (January 2008 released), i am using it currently as to support for Video Calling.
Otherwise, TRIAL & ERROR, find the one that suits you. Or you may help the developers by flashing their ROM and provide FEEDBACK to them, to let the grow and improve.
Thats it.
The keyword, spend some time in the Forums here, flashing, and patience, you may love your UNI even more...

Help with giving new life to an old wizard

First of all let me start by apologizing for the type of help im about to ask
For the record I was a total noob on this regard but i searched and read quite a bit and I now feel more than comfortable to take the plunge and flash up a new rom on my QTEK 9100 after a one year rest due to a broken miniUSB plug i recently decided to fix with superglue
however im stuck on one aspect that I just cant decide.. I want WM6 or WM6.1 that is stable, snappier than my current WM5 and most of all TouchFlo with a cube just like my sister's HTC Touch Duo. That is basically what i need as my main use for the phone is SMS and general phonecalls and some light games or movies but i'll handle that later..
I've searched alot amidst the heaps of roms available but i can't decide on one to pick.. At first I was going for NBD 8.3 as I read alot of good stuff about it and it had all i wanted.. Then i realized though that it was quite old and started looking at some more recent releases but just couldnt pick one from all those features I have no clue about
So the question is:
Will I be fine with NBD 8.3? or should i try something else, more recent, that will perform better for my needs?
BTW I have a G4 QTEK 9100
Thanks in advance, and sorry for posting yet another one of these questions.. Even though Im aware that there is no *BEST* rom to use, I just need some advice and/or personal input as to one that will fill my needs nicely

hello friend
omninmo said:
First of all let me start by apologizing for the type of help im about to ask
For the record I was a total noob on this regard but i searched and read quite a bit and I now feel more than comfortable to take the plunge and flash up a new rom on my QTEK 9100 after a one year rest due to a broken miniUSB plug i recently decided to fix with superglue
however im stuck on one aspect that I just cant decide.. I want WM6 or WM6.1 that is stable, snappier than my current WM5 and most of all TouchFlo with a cube just like my sister's HTC Touch Duo. That is basically what i need as my main use for the phone is SMS and general phonecalls and some light games or movies but i'll handle that later..
I've searched alot amidst the heaps of roms available but i can't decide on one to pick.. At first I was going for NBD 8.3 as I read alot of good stuff about it and it had all i wanted.. Then i realized though that it was quite old and started looking at some more recent releases but just couldnt pick one from all those features I have no clue about
So the question is:
Will I be fine with NBD 8.3? or should i try something else, more recent, that will perform better for my needs?
BTW I have a G4 QTEK 9100
Thanks in advance, and sorry for posting yet another one of these questions.. Even though Im aware that there is no *BEST* rom to use, I just need some advice and/or personal input as to one that will fill my needs nicely
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Hello there....
i can suggest you (if you want the new/fresh ROMS)
there are 6.1 and 6.5 WM versions from CRACING and XDA2_HASSEB
both cookers are amazing.
Now im using the XDS2_HASEEB 6.5 newer version, very nice, stable, and looks fresh (colorfull) LOL
GOOD LUCK

In addition to the cooks mentioned by tigrisimo, I recommend looking at some of the stuff from S.V.I. His are some of the fastest and tightest ROMs around, if you can get past his penchant for unusual theme art.
In other news, I would suggest that you give up your quest for the cube. It's slow, massive, and dated.
Take a look at the Manila 2d today plugin for wm6, and the CHOME/Titanium for WM 6.5. They provide easy access to phone features in a similar but superior way.

Wm6.5 original ?

I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !

there's no WM6.5 original since 6.5 isn't released yet, plus there will neveer be 6.5 for Kaiser official.
The problems you have aren't connected to 6.5 but maybe old radio I guess.

all the rooms are beta versions of wm 6.5. offical final release will be october 2009 but we dont expect offical release for kaiser.

try flashing a different radio version

mirkomircea said:
I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !
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you should have emailed htc support instead of starting a new thread for this. please read rules about starting new threads.

Where do you live? Who is your service provider? Ah wait, it doesnt matter! Kaiser is too old for them to release an official version anyways...

I thought HTC said they will have an official 6.5 upgrade for any device 400Mhz and above. However, no providers will have an offical upgrade... But technically its the same, because you can just flash the roms found here... They are usually faster than original...

i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update

jjblaster3 said:
i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update
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HTC doesn't have to license a hot fix from M$. HTC is not about to spend their profits or R&D money licensing software for a phone they don't sell or even make anymore. No chance, no way. Besides, do you really think that Microsoft's 6.5 will be anything more than a waste of time or money ?
Will it run better than the 6.5' s we currently have in this forum ? Will it have more customization options ? Will it have more pre-installed apps ? Will it come with more support ?
No.....no....no.....and no ! So what's the point ?

In the US, AT&T does not see Tilt anymore! Not even refurbished ones...so if they dont sell it, then no updates...

denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.

OndraSter said:
denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.

OndraSter said:
denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules

denco7 said:
But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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LOL...yea exactly...
jjblaster3 said:
i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules
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Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...

ai6908 said:
Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...
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this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"

jjblaster3 said:
this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"
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Yup in theory it sounds wonderful, but I dont think it makes a difference in reality. I do have a touch pro 2, which is the same WM sluggish one!

I came back to STOCK wm 6.1 work perfect...IGO 8 and radio , but on this forum are many fancy people....Thanks them !

denco7 said:
But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
Microsoft needs to break free of allowing releases of their mobile OS to be dictated by the device OEMs. It's a terrible practice and one of the reasons their market share in the mobile device sector is shrinking.

Yogi76 said:
Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
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And if M$ only sold ONE phone " the Kaiser " in different variants I am sure they would release 6.5 for it.

WM 6.5 RTM's about two months ago and if you look at Josh koss thread he has a link in his sig that has the official 6.5 RTM release(21234) from MS. However there will be no RTM build for the Kaiser from HTC, but Josh's works fine. This 21234 build was the RTM build that is in the developer toolkit, and will be the build that all companies will use to create there 6.5 official releases.
As for the current 6.5 builds that everyone has those are the beta builds for 6.5.1 that will be released for the first capacitive screens, and be the "basic" WM6.5 that will ship on lower end phones not capable of running WM7.

WM Rom for Samsung Jet

Hello all,
Someone knows if there is a wm rom for the Samsung S8000 (Jet)
I like to hear about it, and i know that this forum is mostley related to HTC phones..
Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks
Greetings
Alex

Welcome to forums
As here we dedicate only to HTC devices you won´t get too much atention, however in off topic there is a thread regarding samsung (another model)
or better try here:
http://winmodevelopers.18.forumer.com/index.php?act=home
http://forums.cnet.com/5204-13973_102-0.html?forumID=146
or: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=67
Good luck,

I am suprised noone has attempted to cook a WM Rom for this one, it's just like the Omnia II except small and lighter

relic said:
I am suprised noone has attempted to cook a WM Rom for this one, it's just like the Omnia II except small and lighter
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Samsung JET have a Samsung OS - so there is no way to cook a Windows Mobile ROM for it.

you mean it's impossible to replace Samsung OS with WM? I am sure it's possible. Has anyone looked into it? What are the obstacles preventing that happening. Is it fundamental?

relic said:
you mean it's impossible to replace Samsung OS with WM? I am sure it's possible. Has anyone looked into it? What are the obstacles preventing that happening. Is it fundamental?
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I agree. I don't see a reason.
Saying that this is not a WM device is not valid. You can load other OS in your phone if it supports the hardware and the loader interface. If the hardware is so similar, it's a matter of analysis...
If I had one, at least I'd try to flash a OmniaII rom (phone+boot+pda).
I'll contribute $$ to the cooker that could provide such ROM for the Jet s8000.
Cheers

One more contributor here! 50USD for someone that cooks a Jet WM ROM.
I bought one to my wife. The phone is great and I would definitely have one if a Windows Mobile ROM is avaliable...
btw... it has the exact same processor and general specs as the Omnia II

About processors i'm not sure... But OMNIA II have 256Mb RAM vs 128Mb in JET. Maybe there also different radio modules (GSM/UMTS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) and different video controllers.
P.S. Sorry for my bad english

About processors i'm not sure... But OMNIA II have 256Mb RAM vs 128Mb in JET. Maybe there also different radio modules (GSM/UMTS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) and different video controllers.
P.S. Sorry for my bad english

android for Jet:
http://code.google.com/p/jetdroid/
but its just being developed...

c3p9 said:
One more contributor here! 50USD for someone that cooks a Jet WM ROM.
I bought one to my wife. The phone is great and I would definitely have one if a Windows Mobile ROM is avaliable...
btw... it has the exact same processor and general specs as the Omnia II
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i'll contribute another 50 USD if there is a winmo rom for this phone

i think there would be alot in interest here, particularly since many xda users would happily flash a WinMo rom if it were available!
I have recommended this model to my brother and he loves it, his previous phone was the N95. Now to get the Jet to WinMo!:

[Q] HTC / Dopod / Hermes 838 Pro Advice and Question

Hello all,
Now that I have a few days off before I go back to work for the new year thought I would find a project to keep me occupied.
I have what i believe to be a Dopod /HTC/ 838 Pro.
Thought I would upgrade it and maybe get a few more years out of it, since it has been sitting in my top drawer for the last two years ever since getting my Iphone. Had TomTom running on it as a navigation device, but the Iphone does it sooooo much better that I found I was not using the WinMo.
So in light of the above, any advice appreciated.
I live in Australia so a Rom specific to the region would be great, as I would like to upgrade from WM6 to ----> 6.1 with Touchflo or 6.5 if possible?? Is it ???
Ideally I am after the touchflo experience, I know its a whole buch of fancy graphics etc...but before I get flamed for being lazy and not looking etc thought I would see what your opinions are. (and yes I am being a tad lazy too) please no flames only constructive advice.
I have seen the WM6.1 touchflo installed on the phone on Youtube however could not find the Rom, having searched ..(possibly with the wrong words) but I did try.
Could you also suggest a failproof method of upgrade..
Starting with Hard-SPL_V7 if it is required ???
Any Help appreciated.
S