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I am running Cognition 4.4.8, which will not allow OC/UC. I actually just want to UC. What recommendation would you have for a kernel compatible with Cognition 4.4.8 for Captivate that would allow me to UC?
Don't you mean oc/uv? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Yeah its UV (undervolt). Find any kernel that allows it and is working with your ROM. Maybe ask in that thread as others could be using a custom kernel for that exact reason.
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UC is a real term, maybe he meant he wants to limit his clock speed to 800mhz. What's that called if not UC?
Although undervolting and underclocking to save battery is a waste of time. The cpu doesn't use that much battery in the first place, the screen and the modem use the most power, you want the charge to last switch to the lowest brighteness and 2g, that will give way more battery than uc/uv will.
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UC is a real term, maybe he meant he wants to limit his clock speed to 800mhz. What's that called if not UC?
Although undervolting and underclocking to save battery is a waste of time. The cpu doesn't use that much battery in the first place, the screen and the modem use the most power, you want the charge to last switch to the lowest brighteness and 2g, that will give way more battery than uc/uv will.
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+1 on the battery topic. Even at a high OC the battery drain is not that much worse... a little yeah but not too severe.
Also good point about UC.. wasn't thinking about that at all ..underclock what!?!?
some people falsely think that the phone runs at 1ghz all the time, when in fact it downclocks itself and ramps up clockspeed when it needs it....so unless you have an app thats using 100% CPU all the time, your phone is running around 200mhz at idle.
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some people falsely think that the phone runs at 1ghz all the time, when in fact it downclocks itself and ramps up clockspeed when it needs it....so unless you have an app thats using 100% CPU all the time, your phone is running around 200mhz at idle.
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+1 again Although there are different governors that do different things most phone at stock will idle down to 200mhz. My phone for instance idles down to 800mhz, but thats just my prefrence
Yep, I meant OC/UV. I typed too fast for my own good!
Good points
Thanks for the message on how little battery undervolting saves. That was quite helpful. I did try the discussion board for Cognition, but no one seemed to be posting on using an alternate kernel, which is why I asked for recommendations here.
I believe Cog is KB1 based, so this kernel should work: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988805
Thanks I will certainly trie eXist's kernel.
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Thanks I will certainly trie eXist's kernel.
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If you want the best battery life, I suggest something other than cognition. In my experience, i9000 based custom roms get better battery life.
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@sixstringsg I notice that you are using Cyanogenmod. I keep looking at that, but since it was still not listed as stable, I was not sure whether to try it. How are you finding the stability?
This post has been edited because I added Mandrobench results because it utilization of both cores. Mandrobench scores were identical for both kernels. Running Mandrobench at 1500 more than once tended to overheat my phone and cause reboots and other signs of instability.
One thing is clear, if you run either Faux or Trinity kernel you must OC at least to 1100 or you take a huge hit on performance.
I ran 4 different benchmarks on every configuration of CM 10 times with the Faux and Trinity kernels. I normalized the results so that each benchmark was evenly weighted and so the numbers are better understood they were normalized so that CM with its own kernel scores 100. All other numbers are relative to that. The 4 benchmarks were Quadrant, Smartbench 2011, Linpack, and Mandrobench. The results are a bit surprising, I am attaching the spreadsheet so that anyone can check my methodology.
CM w/CM kernel 1000 MHz score 100
CM w/Faux kernel 1000 MHz score 77
CM w/Faux kernel 1100 MHz score 104
CM w/Faux kernel 1200 MHz score 114
CM w/Faux kernel 1300 MHz score 123
CM w/Faux kernel 1500 MHz score 138
CM w/Trinity kernel 1000 MHz score 85
CM w/Trinity kernel 1100 MHz score 116
CM w/Trinity kernel 1200 MHz score 124
CM w/Trinity kernel 1400 MHz score 140
CM w/Trinity kernel 1500 MHz score 147
Test for each configuration were started following a reboot with a battery charged over 60%. They were run sequentially the same way for each configuration. Each number above was the result of the averaging a total of 30 benchmarks.
Interesting note, the first couple Quadrant scores on each run were generally lower than the rest, result of caching by the phone perhaps? On certain configurations the Smartbench results fluctuated wildly producing unexpectedly low scores. Not sure what the reason for this fluctuation but it is repeatable, at least on my phone, but only on certain configurations.
This took a long time, I am sharing it because I found the results unexpected and that they might be useful to somebody. Not everyone is dumb enough to sit and run benchmarks all day. Would be interesting to know how close the numbers are ran on another phone. I am intentionally only providing the numbers and my methodology, I will leave it to someone smarter to explain them.
Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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I agree, Mandrobench should have been included, I didn't originally because it has disappeared from the market. I have searched my back-ups and found the apk, so I will incorporated them into the experiment later today. It is my understanding that most current apps do not take advantage of the dual core, therefore the results from benchmarks that are not optimized for dual-core have significance.
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Above not available anymore on market - maybe post the .apk.
Let me start by saying thanks! This undoubtedly took a very long time and it was nice of you to share the results with everyone. Did you use only ext3 or ext4 kernels or a combination of both?
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I appreciate u sharing your results. Just a quick question. was ur battery life changed a lot while u overclocked it. Also what's the difference between ext4 and 3
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Add Mandrobench to the list... only app that utilizes TWO cores for its benchmarking (free too). Then we'll talk.
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Mandrobench was added to my original post. These results were identical for both kernels.
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Let me start by saying thanks! This undoubtedly took a very long time and it was nice of you to share the results with everyone. Did you use only ext3 or ext4 kernels or a combination of both?
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Both kernels were ext4, made much easier to switch back and forth by the new version of clockwork.
Both of these are file systems and ext4 is newer and theoretically faster, probably more so on a computer where there are more read/writes to disc. I don't think any of these benchmarks test for this. Someone else may correct this as I don't know a lot about phones, I am a computer guy, and an out of date one at that.
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I appreciate u sharing your results. Just a quick question. was ur battery life changed a lot while u overclocked it. Also what's the difference between ext4 and 3
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Running consecutive benchmarks can kill a battery in 2 hours.
Battery life is a subjective, I haven't thought of a way to objectively test it. I feel I get the best battery life with CM with its own kernel or Eaglesblood Froyo. Bionix appears to eat batteries.
After seeing these results, I plan to run the Trinity UV11 kernel for awhile and see to see how good the battery life is. The performance increase appears significant for only OC to 1100 and I like the idea of getting the advantages of a little OC/UV without having to run Pimp my CPU.
I have gotten a clear increase (hours more idle time) by simply turning off 4G and only toggling it on when I need it. I use Pandora a lot and it ironically runs better at 2G when I am bicycling (less drops interruptions in the streaming as I move around).
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Running consecutive benchmarks can kill a battery in 2 hours.
Battery life is a subjective, I haven't thought of a way to objectively test it. I feel I get the best battery life with CM with its own kernel or Eaglesblood Froyo. Bionix appears to eat batteries.
After seeing these results, I plan to run the Trinity UV11 kernel for awhile and see to see how good the battery life is. The performance increase appears significant for only OC to 1100 and I like the idea of getting the advantages of a little OC/UV without having to run Pimp my CPU.
I have gotten a clear increase (hours more idle time) by simply turning off 4G and only toggling it on when I need it. I use Pandora a lot and it ironically runs better at 2G when I am bicycling (less drops interruptions in the streaming as I move around).
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Really? I found that these 2 kernels gave me better battery life then the stock cm7 kernel. Also can you add antutu benchmark to the list?
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Really? I found that these 2 kernels gave me better battery life then the stock cm7 kernel. Also can you add antutu benchmark to the list?
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you are also quoting and talking about a response from 6 months ago which was beginning stages for cm7 on this phone especially kernels lol... Glad you are getting great performance and battery though.
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you are also quoting and talking about a response from 6 months ago which was beginning stages for cm7 on this phone especially kernels lol... Glad you are getting great performance and battery though.
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LOL oops I need to start learning to read dates.. -.-
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some one should run tests again
I tested Trinity vs Faux in AnTuTu and got pretty much same results on charger,but off charger Trinity got about 50 more (6000 off charger and 6125 while charging)
I use UV kernels clocked at 1100.
Switched to Faux because Trinity has bugs like reboot hangs the phone and sometimes waking up take a while. Also boot image and animations are not that nice and boot sound with kernel doesn't even seem to be working.....
Trinity 6004-6120
Faux 5918-6124
CM Stock around 5500
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some one should run tests again
I tested Trinity vs Faux in AnTuTu and got pretty much same results on charger,but off charger Trinity got about 50 more (6000 off charger and 6125 while charging)
I use UV kernels clocked at 1100.
Switched to Faux because Trinity has bugs like reboot hangs the phone and sometimes waking up take a while. Also boot image and animations are not that nice and boot sound with kernel doesn't even seem to be working.....
Trinity 6004-6120
Faux 5918-6124
CM Stock around 5500
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Why are you getting such low scores? Not OC'd maybe? I'm using Fauxs newest kernel and my Antutu score was 7566. Average scores around 7300-7600
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Why are you getting such low scores? Not OC'd maybe? I'm using Fauxs newest kernel and my Antutu score was 7566. Average scores around 7300-7600
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Faux's newest kernel is ~1.5 correct?
He's probably using the Trinity battery saving kernel clocked at 1.1 and undervolted.
I use the Trinity 1.1GHz kernel and undervolt to -200mV (for the lower ones, leave the top three at stock for stability reasons) and I score around 6100 in Antutu.
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Faux's newest kernel is ~1.5 correct?
He's probably using the Trinity battery saving kernel clocked at 1.1 and undervolted.
I use the Trinity 1.1GHz kernel and undervolt to -200mV (for the lower ones, leave the top three at stock for stability reasons) and I score around 6100 in Antutu.
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That makes sense. I just did a benchmark @1.1ghz and I got 6007. Ya the Faux kernel max is @1.5ghz. Its undervolted too, not much, just enough to get great battery life.
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I said in post that I use UV kernels clocked at 1100mhz
I now use Trinity Kernel because Faux did not have 216Mhz option in SetCPU. I also UVed by -25 for now and set charging profile to 400+ Mhz to avoid SoD
I wonder whats the difference in battery life if you use 1100Mhz or 1500Mhz ?
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I said in post that I use UV kernels clocked at 1100mhz
I now use Trinity Kernel because Faux did not have 216Mhz option in SetCPU. I also UVed by -25 for now and set charging profile to 400+ Mhz to avoid SoD
I wonder whats the difference in battery life if you use 1100Mhz or 1500Mhz ?
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It's a significant difference. I don't have any data to back it up. But I've accidentally left it on the max after a benchmark and it would be in a free fall. Especially when playing a 3D game like MC3
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I've tried using both Kernels as well as stock. Granted they both seem to run better then stock, I'm currently on Trinity with Standard Voltage, because the Under voltage versions of both Faux and trinity seemed to freeze on reboots for whatever reason. They both appear to run about the same set at 1100 which is what I've set to.
I'd like to say thank you for performing scientific and useful benchmarks!
Just a quick question for you guys: I recently purchased an Infuse from the marketplace here, and so far I've gotten an absolute TON of lag using the device. I've flashed Infused 1.5 and Bionix with the Infusion kernel, and so far the lag has gotten better, but it's not totally cleared up. I'm definitely not new to Android, but I haven't seen anything like this before. I know that Quadrant isn't a reliable benchmark, but I'm scoring about 1900, OCed to 1.5Ghz.
Just to give an example: I'm using desktop visualizer to add some custom icons to my screen. When I go to select an icon image, it's fine, but it freezes for about 90 seconds when a list of my apps comes up.
Anyone experience this before? And if so, how did you solve it? If this was widespread, I'd imagine there would be complaints all over here.
Which app are you using to set your overclock settings, how many clock speeds do you have enabled, are you under or over volting, and *which governor* are you running?
I have seen some similar problems here when I was using conservative governor with poor choices of clock speed. Right now Infusion 1.5.2 kernel has some issues with not liking the ondemand governor, so I reduced my number of available clock speeds so it would jump to the top more quickly while using the conservative governor.
Also, did you use either the return to stock, or the ultimate unbrick flash before you flashed your ROM? If it was a used Infuse, I would do one of the above before I start looking anywhere else, then reflash your rom/kernel of choice.
I'm using SetCPU with the OnDemand gov (400/1500), no undervolting. I have a profile set to underclock it to 300/700 on conservative when I'm charging, but that's about it.
I think I'm going to use GTG's unbrick/return to stock and root the thing myself, I figured I'd ask before I did anything drastic. My UI is a ***** to set up every time, and I hate wiping because of it.
Just a quick note, I've had some serious lag using the oc kernel... Like real world usage got worse after oc'ing
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Although it is counter intuitive to the way governors should work I have seen less lag on Infusion 1.5.2 when I use conservative. The ondemand governor seems to be having some issues with the most recent update. If you flash back to 1.0 Infusion you get a max overclock of 1.4, but it is much more stable IMHO. Also FFC is presently broken in 1.5.2 and will hard freeze the phone (battery pull).
I'm debating flashing back to community kernel, but I am going to wait and see how long it takes my battery to drain because I am using some undervolting. You might try using conservative governor and only enable 100, 400, (800 or 1000), (1200 or 1300) and 1500. Honestly the infuse is my first smartphone, but I've tinkered with desktop hardware the last 15 years. It literally amazes me everytime I pull the battery out of this phone and feel how light it is.
I also used the desktop vis app and yes it lagged when chosing apps however it seemed to get better after three or four times but that seems to be the only place it lags for me im using the oc-uv kernal 1.0 clocked to 1.4 seems bulletproof compared to later versions im getting great speed and batt life with this kernal but i had the same lag in the same event as you
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I'm going to try bringing it back to stock and re-rooting it myself, if only because I trust myself with adb//scripts/rooting, and I'm hesitant to trust someone I don't know. Lag has gotten a lot better since switching to conservative, OCing to 1.6 and undervolting a tad, but it still lags when opening apps or scrolling through long lists. Desktop Vis is of course, still a nightmare.
Oh well, I'll report my findings tomorrow I guess. Hopefully I'll be scoring higher than the 1700 I just pulled in quadrant.
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I'm going to try bringing it back to stock and re-rooting it myself, if only because I trust myself with adb//scripts/rooting, and I'm hesitant to trust someone I don't know. Lag has gotten a lot better since switching to conservative, OCing to 1.6 and undervolting a tad, but it still lags when opening apps or scrolling through long lists. Desktop Vis is of course, still a nightmare.
Oh well, I'll report my findings tomorrow I guess. Hopefully I'll be scoring higher than the 1700 I just pulled in quadrant.
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Do you use spareparts?
usually yes, but I dont believe I installed it yet on the infuse. Why?
lag on stock also
I'm 100% stock & get lag also. Definitely in the situation you describe, when the app list comes up for adding shortcuts to any homescreen. Takes forever for that list to come up. Secondly, simply from running for a while, i have to kill all the apps using the built in task manager in order to get it to run smoothly again. It's like it never closes an app. I'm new to android, but guessing this is a problem inherit to android. Can't see how samsung or at&t could have screwed this soo badly to cause it to never close an app. Hoping memory management is better in Gingerbread.
Blario, you're new to Android, so you need to read up on how memory management works with Android. It's not SUPPOSED to kill apps, and that's not what's lagging your phone. In your case, I'd think it was more of a case of WHICH apps you were running.
yeah, the longer I have the phone the more it lags it seems
probably going to push me towards the Evo3D
If you're on stock and after a week or two your phone gets slow as hell (mine did), install a Voodoo lagfix kernel. All the current ROMs include it.
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If you're on stock and after a week or two your phone gets slow as hell (mine did), install a Voodoo lagfix kernel. All the current ROMs include it.
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I did
I still have random slow downs when it gets bogged down with stuff
I'd give a left nut to have this phone with dual core
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Blario, you're new to Android, so you need to read up on how memory management works with Android. It's not SUPPOSED to kill apps, and that's not what's lagging your phone. In your case, I'd think it was more of a case of WHICH apps you were running.
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I don't do much. Twitter, "Web" (some mozilla stock ish), SMS, phone, Android Market app (browsing), and Maps. I've had it lag up using only those. Far less often, I use Yelp... that's about it.
Not supposed to kill apps? When I kill them it fixes the problem. Maybe it *should* be killing apps?? If its supposed to flush their state to disk... it seems to be doing a poor job at it.
I would be suspicious of your microSD card (if you have one). Do you know what class it is? Have you tried removing it and performing the same functions in which you see lag?
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I did
I still have random slow downs when it gets bogged down with stuff
I'd give a left nut to have this phone with dual core
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I'd more readily assume the 512MB RAM is the issue. Looking forward to SGSII
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I would be suspicious of your microSD card (if you have one). Do you know what class it is? Have you tried removing it and performing the same functions in which you see lag?
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It's the stock card that came with the phone. Any way to check? The apps are installed to it... so removing it I wouldn't have the apps available anymore.
A little update: I returned back to stock and re-rooted. I installed 3E, then CWM, then threw on Infused 1.5 and Infusion, OCed to 1.6Ghz and slightly undervolted (about 25-100mv along the range) using SetCPU.
As of right now, it still lags on occasion, but not as bad as it did. Quadrant is giving me a whopping 1300 average score, with a low of 800 and a high of 1600. This is just pathetic.
Howdy folks. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thinking about overclocking but have not done it. What are the benefits / rewards?
Is there an app or program i can to do this?
And what is a safe range?
Thanks in advance!
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Benefits : Faster phone, smoother ui
Cons: Phone may heat up if overclock is set too high
For this phone 1500 is the highest, safest number we can get to right now. I would suggest setCPU, which you can find on XDA for free. (search setCPU)
You'll need a new kernel first, the stock one doesn't support oc. Go with Faux's assuming you're running a rom compatible with it (and most are).
After that, download Pimp My CPU from the market and you're good to go.
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To be honest with you, I notice hardly, if any, real-world phone speed increase when I overclock...barring benchmark numbers. I'm not really sure why that's the case for me, and why for some others it's such an extremely obvious difference (or so they claim). Perhaps I'm not running the same cpu intensive apps that they run. But for general, day to day, running of my phone, it's just not worth it for me due to the battery cost.
So I would love to hear from some of you where "precisely" do you see such a marked improvement on the speed of your phone?
Well, first off, make sure you have a custom Recovery installed... Then find a ROM you'd like, and then, flash a custom OC Kernel..
You'll need an app such as SetCPU to control the overclock.
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To be honest with you, I notice hardly, if any, real-world phone speed increase when I overclock...barring benchmark numbers. I'm not really sure why that's the case for me, and why for some others it's such an extremely obvious difference (or so they claim). Perhaps I'm not running the same cpu intensive apps that they run. But for general, day to day, running of my phone, it's just not worth it for me due to the battery cost.
So I would love to hear from some of you where "precisely" do you see such a marked improvement on the speed of your phone?
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Are you using the stock launcher? It's alot smoother with the stock launcher if OCed to 1500, although i don't notice a difference from 800 to 1500 on launcher pro.
Has anyone used any kernels for HTC Sensation 4g (TMO US) above 1.566Ghz?
I am currently using a ROM by Mike1986 and kernel witch took my phone to 1.566Ghz and i am loving it.
However, i am a big OC freak and i would like some pointers on any tested kernels above 1.566Ghz, preferably that work well with Mike1986's ROM as i find them to be most stable our of all i have tried (i have tried 3 different types).
Any input is highly appreciated and welcome. Thanks team.
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Has anyone used any kernels for HTC Sensation 4g (TMO US) above 1.566Ghz?
I am currently using a ROM by Mike1986 and kernel witch took my phone to 1.566Ghz and i am loving it.
However, i am a big OC freak and i would like some pointers on any tested kernels above 1.566Ghz, preferably that work well with Mike1986's ROM as i find them to be most stable our of all i have tried (i have tried 3 different types).
Any input is highly appreciated and welcome. Thanks team.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668
I honestly don't see the benefits except lower battery life and a warmer device, I doubt you'll notice the speed difference past like 1GHz. All of the higher freqs seem pretty much the same and aren't really worth the bother with, use a governor that accesses higher freqs quicker and you won't be needing high freqs.
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I honestly don't see the benefits except lower battery life and a warmer device, I doubt you'll notice the speed difference past like 1GHz. All of the higher freqs seem pretty much the same and aren't really worth the bother with, use a governor that accesses higher freqs quicker and you won't be needing high freqs.
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What governor would you suggest??? also, i know that when using you phone and maybe even playing games i wouldn't see much of a difference between the stock 1.2 Ghz vs 1.5 or 1.9Ghz but it's all about the bragging rights, lol. I like to go to my geeky friends and slappin’ a higher clock frequency than they have on their poor devices or silly I Phones. Also I have to tell you from my tests I do see Mike1986’s latest 3.6.7/4.1.7 Rom using much less battery life than stock Rom. I have noticed about a 10% improvement, maybe even more.
Also i do see a big improvement in Benchmarks. When i was using stock 1.2Ghz setting i was benchmarking much lower than the 1,5Ghz i am at now.
Thanks again for the input.
The benefit of custom ROMS and kernels, is that they are optimized to run well. Unless the chef sucks, most big name ROMS are optimized and more efficient.
I was running 1.2ghz for a while and whenever I'm playing Snes roms it would FC. After bumping it up to 1.72ghz it never did it again. Although 1.72ghz may be overkill for what I use my phone for but everything seems to be running extremely smooth.
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What governor would you suggest??? also, i know that when using you phone and maybe even playing games i wouldn't see much of a difference between the stock 1.2 Ghz vs 1.5 or 1.9Ghz but it's all about the bragging rights, lol. I like to go to my geeky friends and slappin’ a higher clock frequency than they have on their poor devices or silly I Phones. Also I have to tell you from my tests I do see Mike1986’s latest 3.6.7/4.1.7 Rom using much less battery life than stock Rom. I have noticed about a 10% improvement, maybe even more.
Also i do see a big improvement in Benchmarks. When i was using stock 1.2Ghz setting i was benchmarking much lower than the 1,5Ghz i am at now.
Thanks again for the input.
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I use conservative(810/192), super charger v6, ultra smooth rosie on 4.1.6. I haven't used benches, but they'll be low on this ROM since I'm assuming it's based on the Sense 3.5 leak for sensation.
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I was running 1.2ghz for a while and whenever I'm playing Snes roms it would FC. After bumping it up to 1.72ghz it never did it again. Although 1.72ghz may be overkill for what I use my phone for but everything seems to be running extremely smooth.
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What Kernel is this? Can you provide a LINK?? thanks.
Thanks again to all for the imput.