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Who cares about 2.2 what about 2.3?

Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?

i don't think there will be official 2.3 android...

Samsung is notorious for not supporting updates. They'd rather sell new hardware than update what's out already for free. You're lucky you're getting a 2.2 update even if it is taking forever to release, 2.3 is going to be a stretch though.

Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Woot, never thought of that, since it will be a Galaxy S variant. That just made me happy to think about

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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We already know the camera is different... I don't think it will be as easy as i9000 to i897.. but yes there is some hope here . Google to the rescue!!!
Actually OP this is why we are all so excited about Cyanogen - BC it has NO Samsung components you can just upgrade to 2.3 once its released.... once cyanogen is final nobody here will be talking about Samsung anymore
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ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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It's gonna be quite different. The camera and the soc will be dual core. Could have other hardware different as well.
I wonder how motorola and htc can afford to keep their top phones upgraded and samsung... Doesn't. I mean look at the droid from nov 2009....
I hate to go back to an iPhone next year, but this sucks. Thank god for xda! The devs here should have their own national holiday.

We don't really know anything about its spec just many rumors/fantasy's.
The only thing we do know its a bit curved , possibly a concave display , seen in one of the interview videos.

Corriewf said:
Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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mac208x said:
Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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X10 is not a top of the line device. It was supposed to be out last feb...by the time it came out, middle of the pack at best.
I would not base any standards on a SE device.

we still have a lot of things to play with...I played with Samsung focus and the position of camera&usb&mic I can say it's definitely the same with captivate...

Very true i hate how SAMSUNG doesn't update their devices. I might just get a nexus one now haha
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Dxtra said:
The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.

Corriewf said:
Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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The new dual-core suppose to use less power then current single-core , if its true i wouldn't worrie about power.

you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...

fatttire said:
No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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See that is exactly how Apple keeps winning the war. Software support. It's an easy Eco system to buy into because the hardware is almost always supported for years. Yes closed systems. But the resale value for notebooks, computers, and iPhones is awesome. My wife will easily be able to pay for her next iPhone by selling the iPhone 4, hell we made 100 profit on both our 3GS. I have bought 2 3GS, an iPad, and a MacBook air.
I really love android and I love the hardware samsung puts out. I just wish they could grasp the concept of full customer support. They just come across as shady salesmen that can't wait to push the next big thing.
If I can't sell my captivate for much $$, I certainly won't be buying the next samsung whatever.

DAGr8 said:
you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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Mac11700 said:
Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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The way I see it these companies should make one of the following choices:
1. Sell cellphones with untouched Android. Leave it like wp7 and ios and let google handle software upgrades etc.
2. Have your custom software but support upgrades until hardware is no longer up to par. Maybe make their software downloadable through the market so we just update as needed but can run stock android while waiting.
3. Get out of the cellphone business and just become a hardware manufacture for real cellphone companies that can provide support.
I personally think option 1 is the best.... And most profitable. I mean samsung is stretched pretty thin. They make tvs and washing machines while trying to make cell phones, manufacture chips, and be a software company. Do what you do best and stick with it.

[Q] Should I buy a Nexus S?

Hi there. I am an LG P500 user. This phone is kinda normal,here are the specs:
MSM7227 Processor 600MHz
512MB of RAM
3.0 MP Camera
320x480 MDPI Screen resolution
Stock Froyo,can be updated to 2.3.3 official Gingerbread or unofficial CM7 (2.3.7)
No support for internal memory card
Bluetooth 2.1
Phone may seem crappy,but just take a look at our LG P500 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=839.
We have everything: TeamWin Recovery,official ClockworkMod,Unofficial CyanogenMod 7 port which is fully working,tons of custom ROMs (even based on CM7 source),Official 2.3.3 update,great themed ROMs and yes,even franco.Kernel.
But I want some more. So,@ Media World italian store nexus one is now 270€,so I've chosen that(for MIUI,Oxygen,CM7,AOSP etc. official support),probably,not sure. My stupid noob question is:
Samsung Galaxy Nexus is being released,so it will be leaving Nexus S back,am I right? It didn't happen for Nexus One,but I read somewhere that Google after 4.0 won't release official updates no more for it. Will this also happen with Nexus S? Just want to be sure .

I'm not sure if I understand your question. Are you asking if the original Nexus will continue to be supported by Google, or if the GNex will be superior to the NS?

ciaox said:
Hi there. I am an LG P500 user. This phone is kinda normal,here are the specs:
MSM7227 Processor 600MHz
512MB of RAM
3.0 MP Camera
320x480 MDPI Screen resolution
Stock Froyo,can be updated to 2.3.3 official Gingerbread or unofficial CM7 (2.3.7)
No support for internal memory card
Bluetooth 2.1
Phone may seem crappy,but just take a look at our LG P500 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=839.
We have everything: TeamWin Recovery,official ClockworkMod,Unofficial CyanogenMod 7 port which is fully working,tons of custom ROMs (even based on CM7 source),Official 2.3.3 update,great themed ROMs and yes,even franco.Kernel.
But I want some more. So,@ Media World italian store nexus one is now 270€,so I've chosen that(for MIUI,Oxygen,CM7,AOSP etc. official support),probably,not sure. My stupid noob question is:
Samsung Galaxy Nexus is being released,so it will be leaving Nexus S back,am I right? It didn't happen for Nexus One,but I read somewhere that Google after 4.0 won't release official updates no more for it. Will this also happen with Nexus S? Just want to be sure .
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The nexus s will most definitely get an update. Google has stated that it will release AOSP soon after it release the galaxy nexus.
If you would rather not spend a few hundred euros more for a phone, the nexus s a great alternative, even if its a little out dated.
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if your going to buy the phone off contract, Id say do it while our phone doesnt have thousands of roms we have it were it counts and everything is nice and smooth
We might lose official support after ics but that would mean the next OS version is a long ways away

Nexus S is one good phone, and not obsolete at all yet. I'd recommend it. But it depends on what you plan to do with the phone, certainly a dual-core phone is better for gaming.

So,basically I am asking a simple question. After which Android release Nexus S is going to lose official support? I don't think it will lose it after ICS.
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It's a great phone, no complaints

ciaox said:
So,basically I am asking a simple question. After which Android release Nexus S is going to lose official support? I don't think it will lose it after ICS.
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We don't know that.
However we assume it will lose support whenever it can't handle a version of Android that requires more than it has. ICS will be just fine, and it should not lose support after ICS. And even if it did, a port would most likely be quite easily made.

Yes I own nexus s and it is an awesome phone
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A nexus s is a awesome phone, and yes google will eventually stop releasing updates for it. But if you dont have the money to buy a Motorola Razr or a Glaxy Nexus, the Nexus S is a great buy.

i'm very satisfy with nexus s battery life and a lot of developers support it, you should buy it if you are as poor as me

I upgraded to the nexus s from a kyocera echo(which could have been a good phone had kyocera released a recovery and it had some dev support.) and I've loved it since I got it. It's definitely a great phone and imo the best one in it's price range.

buy it. quality pure google phone. very satisfied user here.

Google has been asking for Android partners to go for *AT LEAST* an 18 month release cycle for its models, so that would mean that you'd get official updates up to about May/June 2012. They've never said explicitly they'd support the Nexus S for 18 months, but I think it's safe that they'd hold themselves to at least the same standards they want their partners to be. There's many articles online about the 18-months cycle, for example here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-clarifies-18-month-android-upgrade-program-details-far-f/
Now as to whether to buy the phone or not, I'd say go for it. I've had a ton of Android phones, including ones considered top of the line at some point of other, sgs2, lg 2x, you name it I've had it for at least two weeks. I love the Nexus' form factor, its weight, the amount of development that goes on and most of all, I LOVE that the stock rom is pure Android. The curved screen, in my opinion, is the most beautiful feature on the phone and I'd only swap this phone for a Galaxy Nexus.
290 is a damn good price. Go for it. Resale prices are also quite decent by the way, check ebay for used phones, they seem to sell for around 200-250 eur at the moment, and with them being among the first phones to get ICS, I doubt that will change that much.

HeavenlyWinds said:
A nexus s is a awesome phone, and yes google will eventually stop releasing updates for it. But if you dont have the money to buy a Motorola Razr or a Glaxy Nexus, the Nexus S is a great buy.
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I agree, it's an awesome, fast and stable phone, but if you got the money for it, you definitely want to buy a Galaxy Nexus.

The Nexus S is the first phone I've ever had where a successor was released and I didn't care a whit. I love this phone and am totally satisfied with it in every way. I can't wait to play with it with ICS loaded.
It's the perfect size for my hand, battery life and general performance are great, it runs all the software that I want, and is just a good-looking phone. The GNex may be most of these things as well (it's too big IMHO and battery life remains to be seen) but there's nothing driving me towards upgrading from my current phone.
If you don't care about upgraded hardware and can be happy with "last gen" technology, the Nexus S IMO is the best bang for your buck. It'll be supported for a long time to come if the generally favorable feeling its users seem to have towards it continues.

Ok,I may be buying it. But I'm still not sure:
No HDMI
No Dual-Core
No FM Radio (i heard somewhere it works with cm7 and miui)
Secondary camera is only 0.3 MPx.

ciaox said:
So,basically I am asking a simple question. After which Android release Nexus S is going to lose official support? I don't think it will lose it after ICS.
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By the time the Nexus S "loses official support", you'll want something else, anyway.
EDIT: I just picked one up for $150 from local classifieds. Couldn't be happier.

Frustrated with ICS updates!

Bought this phone on the promise of an ICS upgrade which was posted right on Telus' product page to be January 2012.
This is my third Android and I know from experience if the manufacturer doesn't announce the update is in progress, at least a month prior to its due date, it's likely delayed at least a month.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Frankly, the update process is super rediculous. Three different manufacturers, all terrible at communicating!
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it's the same every year (it happened with eclair 2.1, froyo 2.2, it happened with gingerbread 2.3)
the flagship device will launch with the latest OS
then a few new devices of the same year launches with the latest OS
then 3 month later most last years phone get the new OS

your fault for buying something based on a promised update
a little research would have told you that it is not wise to do that... buy a phone based on what that phone is like today... not based on what the phone is promised to become at a later date.

Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Tipical from samsung... Maybe a Rom developer will make a port of ICS for this model...

zeekiz said:
Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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There is a brand called huawei. It announced ICS demo for x6 and uploaded the "enchanced" 2.3 rom for x5. do you know what? both of them is buggy as hell. x6 is the flagship, The first ICS update announced uploaded phone in world (at least they say) they uploaded 2.3.5 for x5 and they fcked with screen. now I can operate screen without touching.
Some devs are preparing ICS based roms for x5 but believe me none of them could finish them before feb. So I'm a x5 owner and I lost my hopes from updates. When after they introduced x6, whole x5 development stopped. That happes everytime. Nokia 5800, happened samething when c6 announced. N70, same thing happened after a year. Every f.ing time same thing happen, every f.ing time...

jordanishere said:
Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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Honestly ICS is great, but some applications really don't play nicely with it. But unfortunately most users are constantly under the impression that new is always better, reality proves this isn't true.
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Good point! Newer isn't always better, but around here (XDA) it's the only thing people care about (myself included haha).

How about you root your phone and put an ICS ROM on yourself? The thing is, what are you expecting with ICS? You realize that your UI is going to look exactly the same right? Touchwiz is going to be touchwiz...so unless you have a nexus, or an AOSP based ROM you arent going to see much of a difference except in your app drawer and menus.

Android 2.2 update?

I was wondering if I can update from froyo 2.2 too 2.3 or higher on the sidkick 4g... will switching roms do that or is there a update that I need to flash. Cuz I have apps that have featuers that require 2.3 or higher.
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Nope. We only have 2.2.

sucks
so there is not even a way to trick the apps into thinking it is 2.3 in order to use all the feathers. like on skype you cant use the front camera without 2.3 or higher

Jax184 said:
Nope. We only have 2.2.
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And I think it shall always be stuck on 2.2. Samsung is just making too much profit with the Galaxy S phones to even bother with this Frankenstein of a mediocre phone. I have a Sidekick and I'm using the Clean Fusion v3 rom, which is nice, but it is depressing to know that the company just brushed this phone under the rug.
The specs are not that bbad at all. It comes very close to the features found on the Nexus S. Gingerbread would open up so many possibilities with CyanogenMod and MIUI. I'm tired of theming Froyo... but that's all we got.

Best Phones for Testing APKs?

We need to buy about 2 phones for testing some custom android apps we've built.
Does anyone have suggestions on what the best phones for testing would be?
I was thinking something with HTC sense on it, and something with stock android on it. Both need to be able to s-off and root easily.

erm... the google dev phones (nexus) ?? Personally I use galaxy nexus most for this kinda thing

For any kind of software testing, you need to know how it will function on both the latest and greatest devices, as well as the oldest hardware you intend to support.
I'd think for the price of two top-tier 2012 phones, you could buy 1 top of the line current phone, one from last year, and one from 2 years ago. Possibly also include Sense, Touchwiz and vanilla android.

Something running GB and something running ICS/JB. Many phones are still on GB so a used device running GB would be useful to test on.

Test it on emulator first?

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Test it on emulator first?
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Yes for sure it's the first thing to do,but not always if it works on emulator it will work on specific phone

Nexus one and galaxy nexus. Then you've got gingerbread and jellybean covered

If you need a newer phone for testing , the Galaxy Nexus is an obvious choice .
If you need a older phone ( old hardware ) to test yous apps , have a look at Nexus 1 or HTC Desire , it can run flawlessly 2.2 , 2.3 and 4.0.4 . I have a Desire on ICS ( BCM ) so I can tell .

willpower102 said:
We need to buy about 2 phones for testing some custom android apps we've built.
Does anyone have suggestions on what the best phones for testing would be?
I was thinking something with HTC sense on it, and something with stock android on it. Both need to be able to s-off and root easily.
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HD2? ROMs range from Android 2.1-4.1 (AOSP, AOKP, CM), Sense 2.0-3.5 (one discontinued Sense 4 alpha), TouchWiz + GB, Xperia Arc GB, MIUI etc. It's also got similar specs to a low-range phone nowadays so that would be a good choice I think. In addition, a One X probably.

HTC One X?!

Samsung galaxy nexus
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Galaxy nexus its official hands down
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It seems it is indeed no contest there.
Does the Galaxy Nexus come with Sense by default? (It's been a while since I've looked into these. Last Android phone I owned was a droid bionic and before that the htc hero.)
We definitely are going to support gingerbread, so we'll need a little bit of an older phone too. I'm sure breaking it up like that into 3 or so phones is ok, as long as they fall under budget.
And yeah, the dev tests with emulators, but I'm QA on this project so I get to play with them real-world once he's done and find more bugs.

Nexus S and a Galaxy Nexus,
Will do the job well:thumbup:
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willpower102 said:
It seems it is indeed no contest there.
Does the Galaxy Nexus come with Sense by default? (It's been a while since I've looked into these. Last Android phone I owned was a droid bionic and before that the htc hero.)
We definitely are going to support gingerbread, so we'll need a little bit of an older phone too. I'm sure breaking it up like that into 3 or so phones is ok, as long as they fall under budget.
And yeah, the dev tests with emulators, but I'm QA on this project so I get to play with them real-world once he's done and find more bugs.
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GNex is a Nexus phone, so why would it come with Sense?
Anyway, the best choice is still the HD2 IMO. You can test it on all versions of Android from 2.1-4.1 and it's incredibly cheap, with specs which are not too bad (1GHz Snapdragon with 576MB RAM) for the price. If you can get the app to run smoothly on the HD2 the likelihood is that it will run on any newer phone.

IMHO you have yo use a stock device.. nexus as all the docs suggest. Custom ROMs have additions substitutions and tweaks that in a dev sense are not baseline. Although the differences are minimal or should be. Better to play safe. So nexus s and galaxy nexus.. Google provide stock ROMs for these in dev device downloads.
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Noted. Thanks.
And yeah, that's cool that some of these phones support plenty of roms, but I don't want to be flashing 3 different roms every time the dev iterates a new point (v.2) update. I'd rather have 2-3 phones ready to go. (seems lazy, but I've got a lot of other work to do to

We got a droid (motorola timestamp issues), a Galaxy Nexus, and an hd2. So the hd2 comes stock with windows mobile? This is strange to me.

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We got a droid (motorola timestamp issues), a Galaxy Nexus, and an hd2. So the hd2 comes stock with windows mobile? This is strange to me.
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Well, the hd2 does have a lot of support, but when the top threads in the device specific forum warn of how unstable and beta-ish android development is on this phone, then I'm not really as excited as I was. might end up returning this one.