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TP2 and Imagio Battery Useage

Okay, I have an Imagio (please don't judge me ) and like many of you TP2 owners, the only real complaint I have about the phone is the battery life.
For me, I rely heavily on the device as a phone first (no big surprise, right?), email second, and then text and internet. Based on how I use my phone, I think the biggest contributor to my quick battery drain is the fact I have to leave my data connection 'on' to auto send/receive email.
I'm interested to know if there's a tweak or something out there that would allow me to leave my data 'off', automatically turn it 'on' to send/receive email at my specified interval, and then turn it 'off' again once completed. I know I could do that manually but was curious if there's something out there that could run in the background.
Also, thinking about it, has anyone looked into changing the weather tab uppdate time? I'm also wondering if the weather sync feature is sucking battery power?

Ok, my TP2 with Telus I have on data all the time, with push email (so more frequently goes active) and have no problems at all with battery usage. I can go several days between charges, but don't because I plug my phone in every night anyway.
How much talk time do you have on the phone on an average day? How many emails do you recieve? Is it exchange based on POP/IMAP?
You can easily set up the email sync itself to be manual, i.e. open your email app and click on send/recv - this way it won't hop on itself to grab emails all the time which will help with your battery life, but not really by much.
Similarly just set the weather application not to update automatically.
Keep in mind that a single phone call (on average) lasts about 3 minutes, a single data session lasts only a few seconds.
But even if you still want it to send/recv at a specified interval then when the connection is dormant (i.e. in between scheduled send/recv) it's not really taking any more power than if it was "offline" - this is just a state that both ends know, not an always-active transmit/receive when there is no actual data.
If you really need more battery life then just wait a few seconds when you check your email or the weather for it to go online and grab the data on demand.

Thanks for the reply Telek. Since I've had the phone, my talk time per day has been pretty low, relatively speaking. I seem to notice the drain after the phone's been sitting idle. I charge daily but if I didn't, I'm guessing I wouldn't come near several days on a single one.
I do get poor reception while I'm in my house and I'm thinking that might have something to do with it. What you wrote about the data connection while inactive makes a lot of sense - I should probably be looking elsewhere.
Also, my phone is set to CDMA only in case any viewers are thinking of asking the question.

Well poorer reception will hurt battery life, but only while the phone is active. CDMA signals all have to reach the tower at the same strength (IIRC) so if a phone has poorer reception it will have to up it's broadcast power.
How many emails are you getting daily? Is it feasible to just go to "on demand" and manually do a send/recv to see if that helps your battery life?
It's possible that the phone isn't going into sleep mode, or times out at a much longer interval than normal. Perhaps try going into the power management page and shrinking the timeouts?
Not sure what else to suggest - maybe you just have a bad battery?

I am in the same boat here. Although I use pop and don't get that much email. I use it as a phone, text, then data. Just through a days use, sometimes not making a phone call at all my battery will be near death. I HAVE to charge it daily. I have a car charger, charger at work, and 2 chargers at home so I always can charge so it isn't that big of a deal for me. My signal strength is normally above 70% through my house and work.
I am ready to try out a new rom to see if that makes a difference.
PS not trying to thread steal but throwing out some info that might help.

I have to charge my TP2 like 3 times a day. Between Twitter, email, and reading on the net it goes pretty fast.

My battery life isnt too good either...I have email set to check every 2 hours. If i browse the net for about 15 minutes I lose a notch in battery life. I have to charge every night too!!
I got the 2100 extended battery in the mail today, im going to try it out and see how it does...if it's not a big improvement then im sending it back...the extended battery cover is ugly and slightly bulky so I dont like that to well...

Has anyone fooled around with the power management settings in ATC? If so, any notable changes worht exploring?

Well for my usage on a Sprint Touch Pro 2, I get good battery life. I make maybe 10 calls a day but each call is less than 2 minutes.
I surf the web maybe an hour a day and send + receive maybe 75-100 texts a day. I dont check my email to often.
Maybe 3 times a day I press Send/Receive but after I finish my stuff, I go to Communications and turn off my Data Connection.
At the end of the day I have about 60%. Although I have my backlight set at 30%. Others like it halfway and others fully set.
30% is ok for me indoors but once outside I turn it up to 80% if I really need too but then set it back to 30% once indoors.

Some solutions to Imagio battery drain
My 1st Imagio had no problem with battery, but the "end" key broke so I had a replacement sent. The replacement had nicks on screen and major battery drain, with overnight charge, by 3:00pm I had 5% left. So I sent for 2nd replacement. Same problem with the battery, fully drained by midday. Frustrated, I went to Verizon and requested replacement battery. All seemed well at first. Then, the new battery began to drain. I started eliminating programs running and now, at 10:00pm, I still have 72%, I talked, texted, sent pic mssg, got email, updated weather...etc. This is what I changed.
I turned the phone to CDMA only.
I changed input back to default HTC qwerty (I had sip change to swype)
I set email to check once a day, but I hit send/receive periodically
I set weather to check once a day.
Sorry, but I also uninstalled "codyppc performance booster"
I reinabled Auto Divice lock. (this seemed to help save battery by locking)
I am running spb mobile shell 3.5 and WM 6.5 interface. Whenever I run the HTC Touchflo3D it seems to drain more battery, along with suck up memory.
I check running applications often, reset a couple times a day. I am having an issue with my spb time alarm going off in the morning though. I will try something tonight to eliminate that as the culprit. Overall, I think anything set to run regularly will drain the battery. With these fixes, now I LOVE THIS PHONE. I have all my programs on it, lots of program and storage memory left, (more than I had out of the box) tweaked just the way I like. Hope this helps someone.

Please don't forget Clean Ram(search xda) , helped me alot.

How To Extend Battery Life

So, i managed to get 21 hours out of my battery and that was with quite a bit of usage and with the WiFi turned on all day.
I'll share what i'm running.
I'm no expert so i'm only posting what is working for me to help new people out.
Juice Defender
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.latedroid.juicedefender.beta&feature=more_from_developer
Ditch your charger - increasing battery life has never been so easy!
Always carrying your charger around? You don't need to!
JuiceDefender intelligently and transparently manages for you mobile connectivity and other battery-sensitive components, greatly improving battery life.
I have this set to aggressive.
Android Booster
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.netqin.mobileguard&feature=search_result
Android Optimizer. Make your droid faster. Save battery power. Monitor traffic
Android Booster FREE is one of the most powerful apps that can improve your Android’s performance!
You will find all the following productivity/utility solutions in this app:
Task Killer + Battery Saver + Memory Booster + Uninstaller + File Manager + Settings + Network Manager + Process Manager
These can optimize your android phone via task managers, battery manager, one-click turn on/off wifi, mobile network manager, Bluetooth manager and so on.
The Coolest thing is the Android booster Widget. It’s totally one-click optimization to manage WiFi, Bluetooth, mobile network & power display.
I placed the widget on the screen and after every use of the phone, i always click the optimize button.
APNDroid
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.google.code.apndroid&feature=search_result
Control your phone's internet connection. Pay less for data. Save battery life.
Prevents your phone from connecting to the internet over the mobile connection - 3G/EDGE/GPRS. Saves money for the data plan and also improves the battery life. Adds suffix to APN names and types to disable them.
I use this because i noticed that even though i connect through Wifi quite a lot, my phone is still using my data plan also. To make sure i don't use my data plan when i don't want to, i've placed the widget on the screen.
Other
Screen Brightness set to Auto
Bluetooth off unless i need it (AndroidBooster can sort this also)
Same applies to Wifi.
As i said, this is what works for me and i'm just sharing in case it helps anyone here.
Thanks
o0o Wiggy o0o

I'm not a power user.. but I'm getting ~2 days use simply by using Timeriffic with a schedule such as
11pm - turn on Airplane mode (ie. shut off all radios).. I'm in bed and dont want to hear from you
6am - remove Airplane mode
7am - enable Bluetooth while I drive to work
8am - disable Bluetooth, set ringer to vibrate
5pm - turn ringer back on, enable Bluetooth for drive home
6pm - turn Bluetooth off
rinse, wash, repeat (the 7am,8am,5pm events are only on weekdays).
There are multiple apps which support this kind of thing.

I've gone through this with every Android phone I've owned. Juice defender etc just isn't for me. In my opinion it just takes away one of the main features of having an Android phone in the first place.
With a few battery cycles, the battery life will improve. Once we have custom roms it will be even better.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA Premium App

zim2dive said:
I'm not a power user.. but I'm getting ~2 days use simply by using Timeriffic with a schedule such as
11pm - turn on Airplane mode (ie. shut off all radios).. I'm in bed and dont want to hear from you
6am - remove Airplane mode
7am - enable Bluetooth while I drive to work
8am - disable Bluetooth, set ringer to vibrate
5pm - turn ringer back on, enable Bluetooth for drive home
6pm - turn Bluetooth off
rinse, wash, repeat (the 7am,8am,5pm events are only on weekdays).
There are multiple apps which support this kind of thing.
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Thanks, never heard of this app
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

i found this here on xda. im gonna try it later tonight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990

One thing that many people forget about is how often email syncs, how often you have your weather syncing, and any other apps that sync.

Menu / settings / about phone / tell HTC / remove V on both settings and i dropped down to 38ma with wifi on in standby.
5 minutes later i got 6ma.
If this is what was taking all power from the phone i will have a super phone with the best battery

NoModE said:
Menu / settings / about phone / tell HTC / remove V on both settings and i dropped down to 38ma with wifi on in standby.
5 minutes later i got 6ma.
If this is what was taking all power from the phone i will have a super phone with the best battery
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Remove V on both options? huh? I see: Report Errors to HTC checked and two dropdowns.

See if just don't get you people. If your just using your phone for bluetooth vibrate rinse not repeat etc? Wtf why do you have a Sensation 4G? It's a powerhouse phone so if your attempting to get 48 hours of battery life(which basically means your phones screen is never on) Why waste 250 on a phone. Get a dumbphone with bluetooth and your battery can last you a week. Now if your a regular person with a smart phone you simply accept that your battery life will be shot your trade battery life for perfornance. If your emails aren't syncing, facebook, twitter, weather, google music, etc. Then a smart phone is pointless. I use my phone white a bit and i've been getting about 9 hours usage with my phone which is greatttt I play angry birds every thing syncs facebook twitter gmail aim Battleheart etc you name it and I get over 9 hours on a single charge that is great.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

If you are not killing your battery in four hours or less, you are not using your phone. Lol, in my opinion.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

rawr4dj said:
See if just don't get you people. If your just using your phone for bluetooth vibrate rinse not repeat etc? Wtf why do you have a Sensation 4G? It's a powerhouse phone so if your attempting to get 48 hours of battery life(which basically means your phones screen is never on) Why waste 250 on a phone. Get a dumbphone with bluetooth and your battery can last you a week. Now if your a regular person with a smart phone you simply accept that your battery life will be shot your trade battery life for perfornance. If your emails aren't syncing, facebook, twitter, weather, google music, etc. Then a smart phone is pointless. I use my phone white a bit and i've been getting about 9 hours usage with my phone which is greatttt I play angry birds every thing syncs facebook twitter gmail aim Battleheart etc you name it and I get over 9 hours on a single charge that is great.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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Haahaa....very true!!!!
People get Obsessed with battery usage.
What is the point of having this or any superphone if your gonna cut it's balls off from day one.
If you condition the battery properly from day one, you can use it heavily and still get easily a full day....and that's more than anyone should ever ask for from a device this powerful AND beautiful

rawr4dj said:
See if just don't get you people. If your just using your phone for bluetooth vibrate rinse not repeat etc? Wtf why do you have a Sensation 4G? It's a powerhouse phone so if your attempting to get 48 hours of battery life(which basically means your phones screen is never on) Why waste 250 on a phone. Get a dumbphone with bluetooth and your battery can last you a week. Now if your a regular person with a smart phone you simply accept that your battery life will be shot your trade battery life for perfornance. If your emails aren't syncing, facebook, twitter, weather, google music, etc. Then a smart phone is pointless. I use my phone white a bit and i've been getting about 9 hours usage with my phone which is greatttt I play angry birds every thing syncs facebook twitter gmail aim Battleheart etc you name it and I get over 9 hours on a single charge that is great.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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Sorry maybe you missed the point of the thread..........
There's no such thing as a regular user as you state, everyone does things differently. The point of this thread is to contribute methods that extend maxing out our perfomance, game playing, and all productivity on our devices. If you have nothing to add besides rants and flames, I suggest you just hush, watch and learn.
Right now we can't access/disable some programs that really drain juice. So every little bit helps til we get root.

NoModE said:
Menu / settings / about phone / tell HTC / remove V on both settings and i dropped down to 38ma with wifi on in standby.
5 minutes later i got 6ma.
If this is what was taking all power from the phone i will have a super phone with the best battery
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I'm sorry, but this solution was not working.
It was down to 6ma for a while, but after some minutes it was back to draining my battery with up to 200ma in standby.
[KillaHurtz]
If your post had a like button, I would click it.

NoModE said:
I'm sorry, but this solution was not working.
It was down to 6ma for a while, but after some minutes it was back to draining my battery with up to 200ma in standby.
[KillaHurtz]
If your post had a like button, I would click it.
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What are you using to check your battery MA? I use battery monitor widget and it never shows less than 200ma and I know those numbers have to be off a bit...my battery went down 4% overnight but the widget showed 200ma the whole time! Anyone know a battery ma widget that actually works?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App

jahmezis45 said:
What are you using to check your battery MA? I use battery monitor widget and it never shows less than 200ma and I know those numbers have to be off a bit...my battery went down 4% overnight but the widget showed 200ma the whole time! Anyone know a battery ma widget that actually works?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
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Yes, that's the one I'm using.
But i'm not sure if it's working 100% or not.
Anyone else know?

NoModE said:
Yes, that's the one I'm using.
But i'm not sure if it's working 100% or not.
Anyone else know?
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ok i emailed the developer for battery monitor widget and he sent me an updated apk. but i think it was a simple option that he added that has seemed to fix the problem. Now im getting regular readings like 2ma and so on. i would email the developer and tell him your having the same problem as jahmezis45 and see if he can help. Hope this helps!

i have same problem with battery monitor, it is allways over 200mA

Spirit81 said:
i have same problem with battery monitor, it is allways over 200mA
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yea its reading the information from the device wrong. email the developer, email address is in his program on the android market

I dont know why I bother having a smartphone, it spends so much time in the charger, I might as well call it landline

First thing, I stopped using all battery and current monitoring apps when I realized they were a part of the problem and not part of a solution. They are simply drawing power and keeping the phone awake and are not really accurate anyways. Only actual usage time matters. Can you use it throughout the whole day with "normal" (for you!) usage patterns?
If you have something draining your battery over time, it is likely to be an app keeping the phone awake so it doesn't go into deep sleep mode.
Connect the USB cable to the phone and PC and run this command:
Code:
adb shell dumpsys alarm > AlarmDump.txt
Then have a look at the file, towards the bottom you get Stats. In here is the breakdown of what's causing the device to wake up. (h/t catnap)
The screen may be the single biggest drawer of power, so I usually suggest disabling auto-brightness and setting the brightness to a level you can work with, for me around 25% works. I also edit my build.prop and change the supplicant timer from 120 to 900 to prevent WiFi from pinging my remembered networks as often, turn off open network notification, and run the mobile network on 3G instead of 4G since it uses less power.
Some other things to do include turning off pocket mode under the sounds settings (turns off proximity detector) and disable vibrate feedback.

Sort of resolved. See last post: *Not* happy about battery life! D2G

I'll try to make this short and to the point. Can someone/anyone tell me which apps to (titanium backup) Freeze to *stop* all blur activity on this phone? I am *so* damn frustrated. My battery life sux0rs.
Some background for you: I started carrying around PDAs 10 years ago. I learned a long time back to be battery (and memory)-thrifty. The last PDA I carried was a Palm Centro.
I kicked it to the curb for the Moto Droid1. LOVED the D1. I got nice battery life out of it: after a day of moderate use (6am off the charger-11pm back on) I still had 70% battery. Yes, I had to tweak and tune it. But, not much. I still ran all day with bluetooth, 3G, wifi, and background data on. ON. I did not sync my email accounts every 30 minutes, more like every 2 or 4 hours. Social apps, manual sync only. 70% full battery at the end of the day. Texting and voice and music streaming.
The the D1 died. Known touchscreen issue. <sigh>
Move into the D2G - OW! Everyday I turn off (freeze) more apps, but there's no change to my battery life. Typically at 3pm I'm at 30 to 40% without even having used the phone other than to wake it to check the time. Grrrrr! Called VZW and they said to turn off "data enabled" in Data Manager. I did and got 90% battery at the end of the day. But what's the point of having a smartphone if you have to manually turn on features?
So, I'm on a hunt, because I think the battery-blasting perpetrator is "MotoBlur."
Am I right?
Can someone tell me which system apps are Blur? I'd like to freeze *all signs* of it.
So, I guess that wasn't short. Sorry. But I still need your help. Please.
Dan

Blur is deeply integrated into the base system. You cannot get rid of it completely. Other than that, DroidForums' Droid 2 Global section has a thread with a CWM script that freezes everything that is possible to freeze on stock.
I got up to 50 hours battery life with that without disabling mobile data or wifi.

I thank you for your reply, Gasai Yuno.
I have searched here for this thread you mentioned using a variety of search terms and I cannot locate it.
Could you post the name of the thread, please? Or a link?
Thanks!

It's a sticky.
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-2-global/108937-droid-2-global-bloatware-removal-script.html

The biggest improvement I saw with battery life was using SetCpu to scale back processor speed when the screen is off. It's an old app, so there are probably better ones out there now, but it still works for me.
Comes off charge at 7am, still have 70% at 5pm.

Yesterday I started using SetCPU just to see how well it worked. Right now (12:30 am - came off charger at 9am this morning) I'm at 80% and I can't tell you how delighted I am. Mind you, it's been a very light use day for me.
Dan

I can't get through a full day on my Epic 4g, whereas my wife's completely stock D2G gets through a full day with 50% charge left. Cry me a river...

MUCH better now...
I'm now routinely getting 70%-80% remaining charge at 11pm with moderate phone use. The phone is charging from 11pm to 6:30am.
Here are all the critical settings I have tweaked/toggled.
SetCPU: I have two profiles: 1. when screen off, set cpu speed to 300meg, and 2. when battery below 30% set cpu speed to 300meg.
System settings: screen brightness - manual at 30%, GPS off. Wifi, bluetooth, mobile data toggled on. home/menu/wireless & network/mobile networks/network mode = cdma
Juicedefender Ultimate: when screen off, kill data after 15 minutes and turn off wifi after 15 unless a data transfer (>30KB) is happening and will last more than 1 minute. APN/Wifi activated 1 minute every 15.
Home/menu/data manager: data delivery/background data = on. All other toggles off. Home/menu/data manager/social applications/sync over wifi = on.
home/menu/battery manager/battery mode=performance mode
I also use: Juiceplotter (battery graphic app), and Spareparts (awesome app to monitor what apps are keeping your phone awake).
Titanium backup, frozen apps list. These are all stock apps!
3g mobile hotspot
admin notifier
adservice
amazon mp3
backup assistant
backup assistant client
blockbuster
blur.res
cardock
city id
com.motorola.photowidget
contacts unconnected
dnla
dnlasystemservice
email
email engine
emergency alert
fota
global phone auto network mode switch
global unplug
help center
home
home screen tips
inpocket
manage sim card
mediashare
motorola services
my verizon mobile
news
news and weather
nfs shift
quickoffice 3.3.67 - motorola
sim contacts
sim toolkit
skype mobile
social messaging
social messaging service
social networking
social status
swype
task manager
toggle widgets
tts service
video editor lite
visualization
voicemail
vz navigator
weather
work contacts
world clock
yahoo contacts
If anyone tries to freeze more system apps and is successful, PLEASE post them in this thread.

I rather deleted all .apk using root file explorer.

The biggest improvements ive seen have been running a rom either Angel or Hexen. It basically deletes all the ones you froze, and i run juice defender... I get about a full day w/heavy use ......

I gained some battery life running fission over stock, then I got the extended battery and underclocked the proc to 800mhz max for normal use and finally got full day battery. Now I'm running cm7 and without changing the clock speed I'm getting close to the same battery life.
The biggest gain was the extended batt. Also, using the hard clip on case with holster from the vzw store, I just leave the battery door off and it fits.

abalsor said:
The biggest improvements ive seen have been running a rom either Angel or Hexen. It basically deletes all the ones you froze, and i run juice defender... I get about a full day w/heavy use ......
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No matter what you delete, phone cannot last full day with heavy use. Unless you consider 1-2 hours screen on and data/services/everything disabled, a heavy use. Even with the extended battery.
Phone will last 12(16) hours with normal(extended) battery if on 2.4.330 firmware and in good signal coverage area with data/gps/sync/email enabled, around 30 minutes talking and up to 2 hours screen on. Which is fine and could be called moderate use. Heavy use I call 3+ hours screen on.
Mine would last about 5 hours heavy use (screen on all the time since I am doing something on the phone).

My phone is usually used as a phone, with occasional Twitter/Google+ access, and Endomondo when I'm outside. Everything enabled (WiFi, 3G, GPS, sync).
On stock 2.4.330, rooted, bloatware frozen, I get up to 40 hours on battery.

make sure u dont freeze the email engine cause da could mess up ur text messaging.
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here's to the people who think there battery is bad

1) there r chances u might have a faulty unit but the biggest thing that drains ones battery is cell signal strength a couple days back. I couldn't understand how I was getting terrible battery on wifi in my house I realized it was cause in my house I only have some bar
Share some other reasons why battery might suck for some
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

1) Sticking with the Sense launcher
2) Widgets, widgets everywhere (it takes CPU cycles to keep those pretty widgets drawn on the screen
3) multiple home pages (read: more than 3-4)
4) leaving your wifi on when not connected/trying to connect. Your wifi, if on, is constantly looking for signal. Turn it off when you leave the area.
5) Sync. I have 6 gmail accounts I sync to. I turn them all off while at work. They can wait.
6) Update frequency of apps (facebook, weather, dropbox, google+, etc) Also, auto upload of pictures. Change the settings to either "only over wifi" or "while charging only"
7)Auto-brightness. It takes juice to have that little sensor constantly monitoring the light conditions. Set it to manual and change as you see fit.
8) Seriously, delete most if not all of the sense widgets. Check the update frequency. Run another launcher.
9) Some web browsers (chrome) give the option to pre-fetch data. Stop that
10) Stop being a SAP and checking your phone (while in public) every 5 minutes. No one has sent you a message and you already know the time. The screen on is the biggest power drain.
SAP: Socially awkward penguin
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1) sense is a hog. As "light" as some websites may paint it, it is still the bane of HTC's phone battery issues. There is no way to turn it off but you can keep it as a background process if you use a different lighter launcher (nova, apex, etc...)
2) Widgets require updating (internet) and need to be redrawn (cpu) both of which drain the battery
3) the more pages you have, the more cpu cycles it requires; see #2
4) self explanatory
5) see #4 (Seriously, do you need to have all your email all the time?) I mainly only receive updates to sites I visit (XDA, and deal-a-day sites) so I can deal without them while I'm AFC (away from charger)
6) The more you update, the more it needs internet access the more it drains the battery
7) self explanatory
8) If you insist on using Sense...You're gonna have a bad time
9) self explanatory
10) How often do you pull out your phone to "just check the time" and how many times do you actually read the time? I'm a victim of this, too. Pull out phone, power on, look at screen, check for notifications, turn off phone. "****, what time was it?" Rinse, repeat.
Under battery stats, screen is always, always, the biggest culprit. Minimize this by not turning the screen on!! Wear a watch, maybe even a bluetooth watch (to check for alerts) and consciously avoid pulling it out.

A sap is a gullible person; a dupe.
I have been seeing SAP and always thought that's what it meant, but now that you say it, it makes more sense as S.A.P.
Thanks! lol

relic120 said:
A sap is a gullible person; a dupe.
I have been seeing SAP and always thought that's what it meant, but now that you say it, it makes more sense as S.A.P.
Thanks! lol
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this might help: http://www.google.com/search?q=soci...n0M6bM2AW2m_S3DQ&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=997&bih=715

Or if you're one the peps that loose 1% battery for every minute of screen on time. Like me. Replacing tomorrow hopefully.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

I'm losing crazy amounts of battery when talking on the phone. A 3 minute call will take 10-12% of the battery. Usually after 20 minutes talk time I'm down to less than 50% battery. I've turned everything off, notifications, syncs, and most apps. I'll see how it does but I may try returning it for another.

I'm seeing this problem too. 15 minute phone call shows as 14% of my battery life when i'm down to 10%. I think I might need to take mine back too.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Juice Defender of any use?

Is there any practical reason to install these battery-saving apps? Most of them I have seen just tweak the menu options of your phone you can already access manually and give no additional functionality to the phone itself that you couldn't already do.
Is this any different? Or will it just sit in the background consuming battery life itself just to run its "function"?

I've always had horrible time with these "battery saver" apps
Just let android do its thing
Turn brightness down, turn off GPS, BT and 4G/LTE when not in use and lower the intervals of background updates (and by that i mean turn the time up higher lol) on apps and your battery should last longer
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using Tapatalk 2

I used Juice Defender for awhile and realized it wasn't what I wanted. I tried Easy Battery Saver and that really helped out a lot.
What it did was to disable all internet, GPS etc when not in use or screen locked. It really helped out a lot in helping to save battery

I don't find they help much anyway and will just drain your battery faster, I think they're kinda designed for the average user who keeps everything on and don't know how to do all the things alot of us who are more better with Android already do.

Just Another★Gamer said:
I don't find they help much anyway and will just drain your battery faster, I think they're kinda designed for the average user who keeps everything on and don't know how to do all the things alot of us who are more better with Android already do.
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No, juicedefender ultimate saves me a serious amount of battery, no joke.
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I had a conpletely bad experience with juice defender. After using a little, came tto know that it of no use. It is battery drainer. :-/
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It offers some useful functions (such as the delayed screen lock), but I found that it messed up critical functions on my phone and didn't save much on battery.

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No, juicedefender ultimate saves me a serious amount of battery, no joke.
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All I had is bad experience with battery savers and they drain alot more then they save for me plus I already turned off all online stuff like Wifi, bt, 3G, mobile data etc.

Juice defender pro is doing a great job for me. Recommended! No joke at all.
Also it has come to my attention that it has a feature of learning. The more time you have it in your phone then it will do a better job to save you battery. Also alot of settings to do depending on how much juice you want to save.
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On my phone, I used to run Juice Defender all the time. After awhile, I realized all it was doing was turning 3G off when my screen was off and turning it back on when the phone woke up. Since I wasn't necessarily using 3G every time I woke up my phone, I got into the habit of just turning 3G off and on only when I need it and stay on Wi-Fi as much as possible. After uninstalling Juice Defender and growing accustomed to found this, my battery life has improved at least 3x and I have never looked back. Just my 2¢.
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Yep, I also stopped using JD a long time ago. There are much better ways of saving battery than adding one more application - if you know what you're doing. Using JD is less work, but it's not the best way.

If you are toggling wifi, data, gps etc by your self you dont need JD. I used it sometime but I have habit to control all toggles myself and just found JD interfering with my choice and it shows it saves some 1.8X battery but I didnt find it that much.

I have tried many of them; in my use/ my phone (Nexus S, unrooted, stock JB) is Battery Stretch far the best, really almost doubling battery life.. JD, etc did save some juice, but far less, than Battery stretch. Just my 2c.

Personally I'd call my level of use on Android to be near expert. Not really a developer here, but I'm a very proficient user.
I'd say Juice Defender is totally full of crap.
So what can it do? It turns off "3G?" I swear this misnomer came from the US or something. We somehow equate 3G with data. I thought it meant it would throttle me back to 2G while the screen was off, but all it does is turn data off. Now here's a question: What the hell is the point of a smartphone with its data off? If you like social networking, email, communication, you WANT those notifications to come through. So what does turning data off while your screen do? You might as well turn off data manually and then turn it back on when your screen is on.
Furthermore, if you're interested in saving battery, use wifi in places where data sucks. The minute you turn wifi on, data is switched off. You don't need Juice Defender to figure this one out.
I can see 2G/3G auto toggle being useful, but this can be installed separately as the 2G/3G toggle app for CyanogenMod.
You should be able to tweak your battery to max it out without the use of any 3rd party apps or rooting or anything like that. Tons of newbies install a bunch of apps and as a result here's what could be draining for example:
- Google+ instant upload
- Dropbox instant upload (wow way to duplicate Google+ and effectively double your data use and battery consumption)
- Pulse news sync
- Google currents sync
- Gtalk 24/7 push
- Google latitude
People always say turn off GPS but I ask why? Are you leaving your maps on for 10 minutes at a time? I use location services a few seconds at a time. Show up to work? Checkin at foursquare. Walk into a bar? Checkin to foursquare. About to go home? Take a look at Google Maps. All that takes 1-2 minutes tops. How much battery should that even consume? 1%? Turning off GPS means what? I consume 0.5%? Woohoo. BIG SAVINGS there bro. Furthermore you gotta remember to turn it back on if you ever want to use navigation, and if anything having GPS accuracy helps when using location services like for Foursquare of Facebook checkins. You could find that venue as one nearby rather than scrolling around trying to find it because the cell tower puts you a mile away. You save time like that too.
Screen is the big one. Autobrightness should work well on most stock ROMs and even most stable ROMs. IF you're using your phone outdoors expect that screen to drain like mad, but indoors it should be fine.
Honestly, JuiceDefender accomplishes its task by crippling your smartphone. That's not what a smartphone was built for. You should be able to use all its features and get through a day unless you're on your phone 5 hours straight surfing. Then expect it to die soon. No juicedefender will save you there.

I think the point of JD is that you don't need 3g data on all the time, you can set it to enable 3g data every min/5 mins/30 mins/hour etc for a set time, if background processes are sycn'ing (gmail, facebook, twitter etc) it will wait until the sync is done, this means its up to you when you sync data, I sync evey 15 mins and it works really well. When you switch the screen on, data is automatically enabled, i have set it to use wifi when in range, or 3g when out of range (again its automatic) JD does save you battery and it does it all on its own, millions of downloads can't be wrong
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And that's exactly what Battery stretch does - with a much smaller footprint/memory/battery load than JD!
Just give it a try - I have tried all of them- and judge it for yourself

Another one to check out is 3GBattery, very basic but maybe that was the point too
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImNvbS5teXN0aXF1ZS50aHJlZWdiYXR0ZXJ5Il0.

Juice Defender is a fickle mistress. It does what you want, but it can get in the way. I use it when I know I'm going to be away from power most of the day and I either forgot my Sparq or it won't be practical. When properly configured Juice Defender bloody works. I usually end the day with a 2.4x boost when I use it. Normally my phone needs a pick-me-up after about 8-9 hours. With Juice Defender I had 35% left after an 18 hour day. The only difference was Juice Defender and using Screen Filter to drop the brightness. Had about 3.5 hours of screen on time.
Juice Defender's bread and butter is its data toggle tool, and there are some things to keep in mind with it to make the most of it.
When the data state on the phone goes from not connected to connected programs that can sync want to sync. This adds a lot of data use and cpu cycles. Because of this I've used the Application Specific control rather than having data toggle on at screen on/unlock. I don't want data coming on because I reply to a text. Data comes on when I call up an app that needs it, and data runs in the background for Music and Spotify only.
There's the argument of crippling a smartphone, but honestly, 99% of communications that come over the data network aren't urgent. Urgent communications are calls or texts. No power is more crippling to a smartphone than no data.

It's an absolutely fantastic app, but the memory footprint is huge! Even really fast devices like my evo lte slow down a little over time