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All of the below are technologies that are AVAILABLE TODAY. They just haven't been implemented yet. When I say future in this thread, I want you to think about what will come THIS year, but also the years to come.
What's already out (see the bottom of the thread for archived, Q1-2 2012 stuff)
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Google (LG) Nexus 4 for $299 unlocked with no contract
MAIN CONCEPTS: affordability, direct from manufacturer, wireless charging, NFC, Wireless screen mirroring with Android4.2
Google (Samsung) Nexus 7/10 for $199/$399 unlocked/no contract
MAIN CONCEPTS: affordability, direct from manufacturer, NFC, Ultra HD on Nexus 10, Wireless screen mirroring with Android4.2
Asus Transformer Prime
MAIN CONCEPT: First ICS quad core tablet that turns into a netbook - second version (with 1080P HD screen - Asus TF700, not yet released)
Not shown: Asus Transformer 2011 Model, Motorola Xoom tablet (first Android tablet).
Also: Galaxy Tab 7.0 with keyboard
Microsoft Surface Tablet -
MAIN CONCEPTS: Windows 8, Mighty Fine Lookin' tablet with soft keyboard
HTC One X5
MAIN CONCEPTS: First 1080P Screen on a phone (Samsung and LG have both mentioned they will release one in late 2012/2013)
Samsung Galaxy Note IIhttp://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/index.html?type=find
MAIN CONCEPTS: 5.5" screen phone, touch sensitivity pen
Asus Padfone 2http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/20/3363090/asus-padfone-2-october-16th
MAIN CONCEPTS: 4.7" 720P phone that slides into a 10" 720P screen tablet shell/dock. ONE DEVICE
What do you want to see?
Modern Cell phones have already swallowed up: MP3 players, GPS units, PMPs, PDAs, landline phones, many computer features and utilities. They can easily swallow up: tablets, MOST laptops, eventually PC towers, console games, portable gaming systems, automobile stereo head units.
MY TOP 10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2012/2013 - these technologies are ALL already available on the market, but are not yet integrated into one device.
1. FULLER INTEGRATION - (cellphone into tablet/laptop, pops into your car, etc.)
2. CONVERGENCE IS "DIGITAL MINIMALISM" - the newer and more complicated the device, the fewer devices you will HAVE to have. This also means you need less storage furniture, cases, cables, etc.
3. THE CLOUD WILL BACKUP EVERYTHING - Apps, all data, etc. will be automatically synched, encrypted, and devices will therefore be fully replaceable. In essence your device will only be a shell. This obviously means that you will be able to access your "Virtual device" from anywhere you are. With many data plans placing restrictions, this will be done mostly through wifi at first.
4. CLOUD APPS - Many of your apps and will be cloud based. This also means that the iOS/Android "great digital divide" will mean less. Part of the processing will also be cloud-based. This means devices will not HAVE to have the most amazing processors, but they will anyway for non-cloud apps.
5. MORE CLOUD SERVICES - but only a few BIG ones (ie Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, others) that everyone will use by default on their device. I forecast this for Android 5.0, iOS 6 (sort of in iOS 5 now)
6. WIRELESS EVERYTHING - no more cables! Not for data transfers (done by already released Bluetooth 4.0, Wifi Ad Hoc, or NFC-near field communications), not for internet (we've been using 3G for years and now 4G LTE is rolling out), and not for charging (inductive charging is already possible and relatively inexpensive).
7. WEATHERPROOFING AND DURABILITY - due to its lack of cables (see point 6), the phone will be relatively weather-sealed (CES 2012 confirms this). There may be a large 1-piece rear cover (like on the HTC Sensation) that is user removable for access to SIM card, Flash memory, and battery which has a rubber liner. More durable construction is already being seen on non-Apple devices like the HTC Sensation, and is in part due to Gorilla Glass technology.
8. BATTERY LIFE - as we become more dependent on our phones, manufacturers will feel increasingly pressured to put new and better batteries into our phones. There are already a lot of aftermarket batteries that exceed OEM specs and are high quality. The next likely battery technology will be Lithium-Air to replace Lithium-ion. (SAMSUNG AND MOTOROLA CONFIRM THIS AT CES2012 - planning on 24h battery life)
9. INDESTRUCTIBLE, FINGERPRINT PROOF, NO-GLARE GLASS - Technologies like Corning's "Gorilla Glass" are already widely used in smartphones. Gorilla Glass will be succeeded by Corning's new "Lotus Glass" (link above, now called Gorilla Glass 2 since CES2012). Omniphobic nanoparticle coating will also allow the entire device, screen included, to be virtually finger-print resistant. Other glass technologies allow for 99.5% light transmittance, meaning that only 0.5% of the light will be reflective, making it practically non-glare.
10. HD - Imagine real life. That's how the images on your phone will look. So much so it will be hard to distinguish the image on your screen from the real-life background behind it. High definition (720P) screens are already in many new phones, but you will also see 1080P screens (see: Transformer Prime TF700, "new" iPad)
For 2013 and beyond:
1. FLEXIBLE PHONES - OLED screens, already widely used in cellphones, are flexible already (depending on the substrate). Due to advances in circuit printing and substrate materials, not only will the entire phone be flexible (and therefore resistant to screen crack/shatter), they may also be "morphable" so that you can snap it onto your wrist when you're not using it. This flexibility also requires that everything is wireless (ie data transfer by BT4.0,Wifi,NFC,LTE, inductive charging)
2. WEEK-LONG BATTERY LIFE - as processors and other components require less energy, and battery technology continues to improve, you will see vast improvements in battery life.
3. CENTRALIZED DEVICE - The phone will, by 2013 and beyond, become the only device that everyone has (ie. no more laptops or desktops, except in some environments such as work where dumb terminals and centralized servers are rapidly replacing older desktop towers).
4. YOUR WALLET - Services like Google Wallet and PayPal NFC are geared to replace traditional credit cards, and therefor your wallet (excepting cash, which unfortunately you still have to use at a lot of places thanks to the greed of credit card companies and their 3-5% transaction fees - fees that are passed on to you and make everything more expensive)
Archived "Coming soon"
Motorola Atrix 2 - dual core phone that turns into a netbook
Motorola Droid RAZR MAXX - dual core phone with 3300mAh battery (about 2x better than other phones) Also has LTE
HTC One X - April 2012 - First quad-core 1.5GHz ICS phone to market (first of many if you check MWC)
Asus Padfone - April 2012- Phone that turns into a Tablet... That turns into a laptop (update from MWC2012 Barcelona). This is the first superdevice/Ultraphone
HTC Zeta - 2.5GHz (stock) Quad core phone, but only 1GB RAM
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I'd like to see the future of phones to serve everyone's needs... whether it be used as a phone, a laptop/tablet, car stereo, GPS, home entertainment system, all in one device that could go with you anywhere and be docked on a compatible device for the user to control whatever it is connected to.
Maybe Google can come up with a few new patents for the next Nexus phone and work some deals with a few big companies to to have docking stations.
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i think the dual core is enough for phone
so the future may be create more and more useful apps
and how to lenghten the life of the phone
plktom123 said:
i think the dual core is enough for phone
so the future may be create more and more useful apps
and how to lenghten the life of the phone
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Why would any manufacturer want to lengthen the life of a phone? It doesn't make them any money for consumers to have a phone that lasts 3 years!
....screen technology that works properly in the REAL world - I.e. outside where you get cold wet hands AND receive phone calls, or want to use apps !
Once that is standard then we can start to worry more about performance specs, at the moment you can have whatever processor you like it still won't work once you get wet fingers. Even the Defy's waterproofness only stops you from bricking it!
John
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Weather resistance is a good one. I think it'd be hard to accomplish if you have any sort of output/input, though.
Maybe if it charges inductively, transfers files through wifi only, has a rubber-sealed SIM/battery/microSD compartment, and only allows bluetooth audio THEN it could work. Until then... don't drop your phone into a puddle.
Longevity of devices is an important issue, one of OS hardware requirements. They may be able to increase RAM to laptop-like levels (or at least have some user-upgradeable option like microSIMMs), but when it comes to CPUs they are coming out faster than OEM's can find something useful to do with them.
I personally can't wait for my quad-core 2.5GHz (3.0GHz overclocked) HTC Zeta with ICS and Sense 4.0 next year
In my opinion, phones and tablets in the future should follow some standards:
1) CPU:
Phones: 1 core, at least 1GHz (low-mid end); 2 cores (high-end) (2 cores should be best for phones, not 4)
Tablets: 2 cores (low-mid end); 4 cores (high-end)
2) RAM: 512MB - 1GB (phones); 2GB (tablets)
3) GPU: Depends on the SoC.
4) Displays:
Phones: 3.5", 800x480 (low-end); 4", 1280x720 (mid-high end) (above 4" is unnecessary)
Tablets: 7", 1280x800; 10", 1920x1200.
@hunter
You're quoting last year's specs now. Recall that 1GHz hasn't been a big deal since the Nexus One.
As for quad core processing - they are more energy efficient per core than dual cores, so if you're thinking that quad core is unnecessary or unsuitable for phones due to battery life you'd be dead wrong.
Can anyone think of how phones at the end of 2012 will look? What about 2013?
According to my knowledge, there are still a lot of low and mid-end phones that use 600MHz ARM11CPU, so a 1 GHz Cortex A8 CPU should be the base standard in the next year.
Also, how do you know that quad-core chips are more efficient than dual-core ones? Based on the Tegra 3?
RoboDan918 said:
They can easily swallow up: tablets, MOST laptops, eventually PC towers, console games, portable gaming systems, automobile stereo head units.
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NEVAAAAARRRRRRR
Ye can't have meh tower!
That good sir would be an act of war!
I like things to be modular and powerful.. and there is a lot of life left in the desktop industry.
Upgradability/expandability...
There are zif type sockets for ARM CPUs - give them to us, again, simm/dimm/??? let us upgrade ram... It's ridiculous that we're stuck with whatever the manufacturer gave us - which never seems to be the max for the hardware, just seems to be a price point thing... And then we're out of date within a year...
Smartphones need to progress into a more PC like design, users have different needs - our phones shouldn't be proprietary and un-upgradable...
Cells as line phones are today....
Satellite Phones Quad core, with 64g to 128g or more ram/rom storage micro sdxc(no limit on size... just your imagination and what you can afford or is out their at the moment. 4" to 4.5" screens capable of 1080p 60 HDMI in and out
All i can say is "The Future is TOO Bright"
The way cell phones are evolving...cant expect whats next !
Everything you have on your phone, have on your tablet/ultrabook and htpc.
Hybrid tablet laptop. The screen is a single glass piece. It has a single screen that you can touch from both sides. When open the 'cover' is black and the screen closest to the keyboard is activated ready for you to look at etc. When it's closed what was the cover is now a touchscreen. You can hold and use it like a tablet.
With all these ultrabooks/macbook air's coming out they'll easily be able to get to the 10mm thickness mark. With Intel wanting to compete with ARM this could be a real possibility in terms having laptop like power in them not to mention Windows 8 supporting ARM devices as well.
I would have never thought we'd be at this level with cell phones when just a few years ago "flip-phones" were the in thing. I'm definitely not gonna doubt the capabilities of the new phones in the near future.
Brain implant with an Optic Nerve connection to get a HUD.
Or a phone that doesn't drop calls! Lets start there.
That HTC Edge look tight! I heard that you can use your HTC beats in twitter by just talking what you'll tweet. Imagine if you say"Hello", the phone will tweet that.. Cool huh.. It makes us people lazier tho.. lol..
waiting other ，HTC future phone looks not nice
Owa its realy osame...........
Mattix724 said:
I'd like to see the future of phones to serve everyone's needs... whether it be used as a phone, a laptop/tablet, car stereo, GPS, home entertainment system, all in one device that could go with you anywhere and be docked on a compatible device for the user to control whatever it is connected to.
Maybe Google can come up with a few new patents for the next Nexus phone and work some deals with a few big companies to to have docking stations.
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Agreed. That would be really be a great integration.
The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless. Seems you're already on Team HTC's bandwagon so you're mind is made up. There will be a billion GS3 posts on XDA and they will all won't be worth a ****.
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until.you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless.
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Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
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mohsinraza said:
Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
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lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
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BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.
HTC..is interesting..very interesting
mohsinraza said:
The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.
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Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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mohsinraza said:
Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
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Really interesting guys! There are 2 chances.
1- You didn't see a amoled screen.
2- You don't know about specs. Because One X doesn't have chance to own SGS3. Like S2 and Sensation. Even my sgs1 is faster and more ram than sensation.
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burakgon said:
Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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CPU & GPU won't make a difference until you play games HD games on the phone all day long. And for daily workings both are more than enough.
Whoa! You're kiddin' me. The pentile display is way too awkward. THIS IS NOT THE BEST SCREEN.
UI may come down to personal preference so not in discussion.
nebsif said:
lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.
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32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Both of them are great but I prefer Huawei ascend quad XL it has better specs
mohsinraza said:
32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Sorry, but you're very very very wrong here. The difference between 40 and 32 is 20% less battery power for any given task. Between 40 and 28 is closer to 40% less battery usage.
Fifth core on Tegra 3 is technically retarded. Read Nvidia's white paper. The CPU can't have the fifth core on at the same time as any of the others, so Tegra 3 only saves battery power if you're not actually using your phone and it's only doing background tasks while the screen is off.
Furthermore, Tegra 3 has no dynamic voltage control. So if you were to watch a movie on a T3 device, and your email refreshes in the background, it would use the same processor power and clock speed as watching 2 movies at the same time. Both Krait S4 and Exynos 4 have dynamic voltage control.
Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.
I had a SGS2... Moved from that to HTC One X because i just couldn't stand their TouchWiz UI..
The development on the SGS2 haven't been as i hoped, mainly due to their drivers.
Sorry, but i will stick with my HTC One X
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Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.
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What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars
thatdefault said:
What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars
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If you do a comparison vs what you would pay otherwise, it's actually much cheaper to get a Padfone than the alternatives.
Padfone+Padfone Station+Station Dock+BT stylus= ~$1000
Est. cost for data on ATT: $20-50 depending on plan size, $30 unlimited if you're grandfathered in like me
Apple:
iPhone 4S= $600
iPad 3rd gen= $600
BT keyboard case= $50
Total: $1250
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
Android:
HTC One X= $650
Transformer Prime+KB Dock= $700
Total: $1350
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
So you actually save at least $250 initially, and another $360-$1080 from data costs (Calculated using ATT required 5gb plan for data tethering= $65 per month, cheapest alternate for separate data plans is $55 per month).
If you're a particularly frugal data user, the Padfone system will actually pay for itself and leave you $80 further in the black than you were before your purchase compared to the alternatives!
All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.
The problem is phones are very expensive here and the price won't go down anytime soon the price of galaxy S II is higher than neighboring countries and the price went up when the G model was announced Asus products are very expensive here TF 101 + keyboard dock costs more than the prime + dock. Thank God Dubai isn't far
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All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.
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Why would the Exynos chip in the SG3 be faster than the Tegra 3 in the One X?
They're both A9 chips, Exynos is clocked at 1.4 while Tegra 3 is clocked at 1.5. Sure, the Exynos chip has wonderful features like the 32nm build and dynamic voltage control, but those only affect how efficiently it uses the battery. What affects speed is your Cortex class (both A9) and your clock speed, in which case Tegra 3 should theoretically perform slightly better.
I'm pretty sure any speed differences are going to come down to the differences between TouchWiz and Sense, not the specs on the phone.
And therefore, ATT One XL with the extended battery and the Krait S4 chip will probably perform better than the SG3 by the same degree that testing shows that it already performs better than the Tegra 3 One X.
Both of these phones have pretty awesome specs, so in that respect, I think personal preference is going to overrule anything else.
BUT, I have the Amaze 4G, and HTC has made it impossible (so far) to make a ROM that isn't based on their own Sense based ROM. As far as what I can see, HTC's One line is going to be even harder to develop. I enjoy trying different ROMs way too much to stick with HTC from this point forward (unless HTC changes their evil ways ).
As far as the different launchers, I haven't ever really liked a stock launcher on Samsung, HTC, or even LG (I think Cyanogenmod finally got it right with Trebuchet in their CM9 builds). I almost always put in a custom launcher.
i like samsung galaxy s3
ram management in htc one x is si bad
Let's take a look at the facts:
Screen :We will see who has the better screen when the reviews are released.
Proccesor :As shown on the becnhmarks the SGS3 is the faster one.
GPU :Again the SGS3 as shown by the recent benchmarks
Battery :SGS3 has an exchangable batter the HTC One X does not.SGS3 has also the bigger battery.
MicroSD :SGS3
Front camera :SGS3 again 1.3 vs 2.0 MPX
Back camera :Still unknown who has the better camera,but that will be revelead soon.
Storage:SGS3 again 64 GB + micro SD ,HTC ONE X 32 GB no microsd
Design :That's a matter of taste.
The SGS3 is obviously the better phone hardware wise plus it has many more features like eye tracking and S voice that the HTC ONE X lacks.
- UI I could care less what each has. I'm an XDA member and never have stock... lol.
- Processors sound like they'll be identical on the US phones, so that's a non-issue for me as well.
- HTC's lack of SD is a bit worrisome for me since the US only has 16 GB. That may limit what I can store, especially as apps get bigger and bigger. So there's one mark against the One X for me.
- Screens, the Galaxy is a tiny bit bigger, but I need to see peoples reviews that have been able to spend time with both to judge. What's on paper doesn't always matter.
- Camera is kind of important to me. I'm sick of my Captivates crappy camera. Reviews of the One X make it sound like it's awesome. I haven't seen much mention of the S3's yet besides "it looks good". Will have to see how reviewers rate it. It also sounded like the models they were showcasing weren't the final product for the camera either or am I just imagining things?
- GPS is important to me too. Again.. Captivate.... OMG!! I've heard nothing bad yet about the One X, and heard nothing about the S3, so we'll see.
- Aesthetics, build quality, etc... meh, whatever. It's a phone. It sits in my pocket. It goes in my hand and I look at the screen. I don't really care all that much what other people think of my phone while I'm mesmerized by the screen. If panels are falling off, buttons breaking etc. yeah that's bad but I'm pretty confident that won't happen on either phone.
So given that the One X already has a mark against it due to the lack of SD card slot and tiny 16 GB storage (I'm on a 2 GB plan, not unlimited so cloud and stuff isn't a very viable option for me) the S3 would have to have a crappy camera and or faulty GPS for me to consider the One X over it I think.
I'm an HTC fan thru and thru but the s3 does seem worth taking a gander... Verizon user
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sumsung galaxy s3
The HTC Incredible S was launched alongside the HTC Desire S and Wildfire S at the 2011 Mobile World Congress (MWC). All three HTC smartphones include HTC Sense, which the Taiwanese mobile manufacturer claims is the company’s unique customer-focused user experience, enabling the phones to work in a more simple and natural way. The smartphone packs a high resolution eight megapixel camera with dual flash and it enables videos, photos and music to be shared from the smartphone to the television using DLNA technology.
Display
The HTC Incredible features a 4.0in Super LCD capacitive touchscreen. The display is protected with Corning Gorilla Glass and features HTC Sense User Interface (UI). The resolution of the display is 480×800 pixels with a pixel density of 233 pixels per inch (ppi).
The Samsung Galaxy S3 features a larger 4.8in screen. The display is a Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen protected with scratch-resistant Corning Gorilla Glass 2 and features the TouchWiz UI v4.0. The resolution of the display is 720×1280 pixels with a density of 306 ppi.
Dimension
The HTC Incredible measures 120x64x11.7mm and measures 135.5g whereas the Galaxy S3 measures 136.6×70.6×8.6mm and weighs 133g.
Operating System
The HTC Incredible comes with Android 2.2 but the manufacturers have announced an Ice Cream Sandwich update. The Galaxy S3 will come pre-installed with Android 4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich), the latest update.
Processor
The HTC Incredible is powered by the Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chip with a 1GHz Scorpion processor. The Galaxy S3 will be powered by Exynos 4 quad-core processor clocked at 1.4GHz and 1GB of RAM. The Incredible has only 768MB of RAM.
Camera
The HTC Incredible is equipped with an eight megapixel main camera with auto-focus and dual-LED flash and also includes other features such as geo-tagging, touch-focus, image stabilisation. The camera is capable of recording video in 720p at 30 frames per second (fps). The smartphone is also packs a front-facing camera of 1.3 megapixel which features video call functionality.
The Galaxy S3, like the Incredible S, will pack a main camera of eight megapixels with auto-focus, LED flash and other features such as simultaneous HD video and image recording, geo-tagging, touch-focus, face and smile detection and image stabilisation. The camera can record video in 1080p and 30 fps. The handset packs a secondary camera of 1.9 megapixels, which can record video in 720p at 30 fps.
The difference between the main cameras of both smartphones is that the HTC Incredible’s camera features dual-flash. However the Galaxy S3′s cameras have some extraordinary technological innovations.
Connectivity
The HTC Incredible offers Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot and Bluetooth version 2.1 with A2DP and EDR. It supports data speed up to HSDPA 14.4 Mbps and HSUPA 5.76 Mbps.
The Galaxy S3 offers Wi-Fi b/g/n, Wi-Fi HT40, Near Field Communication (NFC) and Bluetooth v4.0. It supports data speeds up to HSDPA 21Mbps and HSUPA 5.76 Mbps. The Galaxy S3 can connect to 4G networks.
Storage
The HTC Incredible offers internal storage space of 1.1GB and offers a microSD card slot with additional storage up to 32GB. The Galaxy S3 will come with two storage options, 16GB and 32GB with the 64GB option will be available soon. Like the HTC Incredible S, the Galaxy S3 will also support microSD cards.
Battery
The HTC Incredible is powered by a Li-ion battery of 1450 mAh whereas the Galaxy S3 is powered with a 2100mAh Li-ion battery.
so i advise you to take the galaxy s3
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The HTC Incredible S was launched alongside the HTC Desire S and Wildfire S at the 2011 Mobile World Congress (MWC). All three HTC smartphones include HTC Sense, which the Taiwanese mobile manufacturer claims is the company’s unique customer-focused user experience, enabling the phones to work in a more simple and natural way. The smartphone packs a high resolution eight megapixel camera with dual flash and it enables videos, photos and music to be shared from the smartphone to the television using DLNA technology.
Display
The HTC Incredible features a 4.0in Super LCD capacitive touchscreen. The display is protected with Corning Gorilla Glass and features HTC Sense User Interface (UI). The resolution of the display is 480×800 pixels with a pixel density of 233 pixels per inch (ppi).
The Samsung Galaxy S3 features a larger 4.8in screen. The display is a Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen protected with scratch-resistant Corning Gorilla Glass 2 and features the TouchWiz UI v4.0. The resolution of the display is 720×1280 pixels with a density of 306 ppi.
Dimension
The HTC Incredible measures 120x64x11.7mm and measures 135.5g whereas the Galaxy S3 measures 136.6×70.6×8.6mm and weighs 133g.
Operating System
The HTC Incredible comes with Android 2.2 but the manufacturers have announced an Ice Cream Sandwich update. The Galaxy S3 will come pre-installed with Android 4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich), the latest update.
Processor
The HTC Incredible is powered by the Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chip with a 1GHz Scorpion processor. The Galaxy S3 will be powered by Exynos 4 quad-core processor clocked at 1.4GHz and 1GB of RAM. The Incredible has only 768MB of RAM.
Camera
The HTC Incredible is equipped with an eight megapixel main camera with auto-focus and dual-LED flash and also includes other features such as geo-tagging, touch-focus, image stabilisation. The camera is capable of recording video in 720p at 30 frames per second (fps). The smartphone is also packs a front-facing camera of 1.3 megapixel which features video call functionality.
The Galaxy S3, like the Incredible S, will pack a main camera of eight megapixels with auto-focus, LED flash and other features such as simultaneous HD video and image recording, geo-tagging, touch-focus, face and smile detection and image stabilisation. The camera can record video in 1080p and 30 fps. The handset packs a secondary camera of 1.9 megapixels, which can record video in 720p at 30 fps.
The difference between the main cameras of both smartphones is that the HTC Incredible’s camera features dual-flash. However the Galaxy S3′s cameras have some extraordinary technological innovations.
Connectivity
The HTC Incredible offers Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot and Bluetooth version 2.1 with A2DP and EDR. It supports data speed up to HSDPA 14.4 Mbps and HSUPA 5.76 Mbps.
The Galaxy S3 offers Wi-Fi b/g/n, Wi-Fi HT40, Near Field Communication (NFC) and Bluetooth v4.0. It supports data speeds up to HSDPA 21Mbps and HSUPA 5.76 Mbps. The Galaxy S3 can connect to 4G networks.
Storage
The HTC Incredible offers internal storage space of 1.1GB and offers a microSD card slot with additional storage up to 32GB. The Galaxy S3 will come with two storage options, 16GB and 32GB with the 64GB option will be available soon. Like the HTC Incredible S, the Galaxy S3 will also support microSD cards.
Battery
The HTC Incredible is powered by a Li-ion battery of 1450 mAh whereas the Galaxy S3 is powered with a 2100mAh Li-ion battery.
so i advise you to take the galaxy s3
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Clearly you missed the title of the OP... "HTC incredible 4G or Samsung s3?"
He's not looking for a comparison of the year-old Incredible 2/S. Not to mention the specs you gave for the SGSIII are clearly not those of the Verizon one (looking specifically at processor, for one example).
Getting back to comparison the OP wanted...
They'll both be great phones... so it largely comes down to personal preference.
TouchWiz vs. Sense 4
For folks who prefer vanilla android and are going to wipe any manufacturer OS off of their phone immediately, this may not be a factor. But for someone like me, and it sounds like the OP too, Sense 4 is a major factor. Sense 4 is an amazing OS. TouchWiz is a steaming pile of poo. It's as simple as that. You can always take TouchWiz off the SGSIII, but you can't pus Sense 4 on it.
4.8" display vs. 4" display
Some people prefer large displays, some prefer smaller displays. For me, I'm the latter, but it's not one of my major priorities. If not for TouchWiz, I could consider giving up my preference for a smaller display in order to get the SGSIII if the Incredible release keeps slipping out. On the topic of displays though... while size is mostly personal preference, in terms of display quality/technology, the Incredible 4G has the slight edge there.
Setting aside those two subjective/personal preference items, there are some areas where the SGSIII objectively bests the Incredible spec-wise, although the differences are not all that significant...
The SGSIII processor is clocked a little higher, but needs it for the huge screen. I don't expect much actual difference there. Not to mention, the jury is still out on exactly which chip will be in the Incredible 4G... so far most signs point to it being 1.5GHz underclocked... so that would erase the small difference here.
The SGSIII camera is a wee bit better, but not overly so. If The Incredible 4G had the ImageChip, then this would be a different story, but it doesn't so the SGSIII wins here. Having said that though, the Incredible 4Gs camera is still a great camera in it's own right and won't disappoint.
The SGSIII has 2GB of RAM, the Incredible 4G only has 1. Its debatable whether or not all that is necessary, but nevertheless the SGSIII wins here.
Aside from those differences, everything else is more or less equivalent. They both have all the bells and whistles... Bluetooth 4.0, NFC, microSD, removable battery, etc.
The only other thing to consider is the dev community. Originally, I surmised that the Incredible 4G would have a pretty great dev community... it was slated to be released right on the 2 year anniversary of the original so it would be capturing a lot of 2 year upgraders. Unfortunately, Verizon has botched the release of this phone so badly, that's not really the case anymore. They've likely already lost a lot of those upgraders and will probably lose more to the fact that it's being released more-or-less at the same time as the SGSIII. The Incredible 4G will probably still have a good dev community despite that, but not nearly what it could have been. Regardless, the SGSIII is being released on all major carriers, so it will surely have the better dev community anyway.
So as I said... it's mostly personal preference with only small differences in specs.
I really don't understand why people keep comparing these two phones. They're clearly in different classes, if by size standards alone! It seems to me folks hear that two new phones are coming out and immediately ask which one to buy before doing a simple Google search.
Edit, to make this post a bit more constructive: Are you interested in a big phone or a little phone. That should be enough to rule out one or the other. Then you can compare within their respective classes.
HTC its the best smartphone ever
Galaxy S3
Unless you are budget minded, the Galaxy s3 is the way to go. But IMO i would wait for the Droid razr hd
Galaxy S III! =))
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I would say the Galaxy S3 is the way to go
sy0120 said:
Unless you are budget minded, the Galaxy s3 is the way to go. But IMO i would wait for the Droid razr hd
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A $50 difference shouldn't be that big of a deal if you're looking to commit to a new device for the next 20 months.
You'll miss HTC Sense i think.
If you want a good screen go to S3.
If you want a good ui, ergormic etc, take a HTC !
I leaved my Desire to a Nexus, but I love so far HTC Sense avec widgets, the UI missed me. So i take back my HTC desire ^^'
Kraaw said:
If you want a good screen go to S3.
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Big doesn't necessarily mean good. There's nothing that impressive about pentile AMOLED, and the ppi is barely over 300. Size aside, I'd rather a still good 275 ppi and get non-pentile SLCD.
Obviously, if big is what you're looking for, none of that matters though.
I don't get people. These phones are nowhere near similar. How cheap are you when buying a phone? That will answer your question outright.
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i think im going to choose HTC
its better than s3
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The only other thing to consider is the dev community. Originally, I surmised that the Incredible 4G would have a pretty great dev community... it was slated to be released right on the 2 year anniversary of the original so it would be capturing a lot of 2 year upgraders. Unfortunately, Verizon has botched the release of this phone so badly, that's not really the case anymore. They've likely already lost a lot of those upgraders and will probably lose more to the fact that it's being released more-or-less at the same time as the SGSIII. The Incredible 4G will probably still have a good dev community despite that, but not nearly what it could have been. Regardless, the SGSIII is being released on all major carriers, so it will surely have the better dev community anyway.
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Totally agree... post-development of the community outside mother Samy is to be considered... Surely more to...play with GS3 !
Hey guys,
I've been using the T-Mobile USA Samsung Galaxy S2 for about 9 months now, but it recently had a screen issue that required a warranty replacement.
T-Mobile has offered to replace it with another S2, or with a One S.
My last HTC was the HD2 and MyTouch 4g, both of which I loved. But having used the S2 for awhile now, it has been a great device.
I could use some help if anyone here has used both phones and cares to offer an opinion. Is there a major difference in the screen?
1s>s2. S3 would be a wobbler
el_smurfo said:
1s>s2.
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Can you expound on that?
Better specs and build all around
el_smurfo said:
Better specs and build all around
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How about the screen? I've read that the SGS2's super amoled is better than the One S. Not sure if that's accurate or not...
1s is great. Go compare for yourself if this concerned with a phone. On the Internet you will only get subjective opinions that are meaningless
One s all the way .... But then again I dont like Samsung much
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maek_it_happen said:
One s all the way .... But then again I dont like Samsung much
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I just finished reading the AnandTech review of the One S, and it's pretty glowing.
Odd as it may seem, I think the biggest hangup I have is how used to TouchWiz I am!
I know many people hate it, but it has grown on me.
That, and I hate to give up the MicroSD card slot. I keep a lot of music and pictures on my phone.
I'm really leaning towards the One S,tho.
nova hands said:
Hey guys,
I've been using the T-Mobile USA Samsung Galaxy S2 for about 9 months now, but it recently had a screen issue that required a warranty replacement.
T-Mobile has offered to replace it with another S2, or with a One S.
My last HTC was the HD2 and MyTouch 4g, both of which I loved. But having used the S2 for awhile now, it has been a great device.
I could use some help if anyone here has used both phones and cares to offer an opinion. Is there a major difference in the screen?
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From my experience. I owed some of your phone and HTC One S never let me down. The screen isn't big compared to SG2, but design is elegant, sexy slim.
If course it offer sense 4.0 and development thread offered option roms.
And you're into big screen and newer tech you best options is SG3.
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nova hands said:
I just finished reading the AnandTech review of the One S, and it's pretty glowing.
Odd as it may seem, I think the biggest hangup I have is how used to TouchWiz I am!
I know many people hate it, but it has grown on me.
That, and I hate to give up the MicroSD card slot. I keep a lot of music and pictures on my phone.
I'm really leaning towards the One S,tho.
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My sis had a Samsung , thing was nothing but problems. Since going to an HTC device and using sense she know realises how much better HTC is .
I must note that the biggest difference is Samsung phones are open to root users .
If HTC only allowed s-off ....:banghead:
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If HTC only allowed s-off ....:banghead:
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My SGS2 hasn't had a single issue until the line in the screen showed up.
So the HTC can't be rooted? I don't understand what you mean...
No obviously it can be rooted , didn'tean to confuse or mislead . It's just certain HTC devices don't have an exploit for s-off .... Wich means boot IMG need to be flashed separaty in fastboot after you flash your Rom . Once/if we ever get s-off then you could flash normally ,
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S2's Super AMOLED Plus display crushes the One S display. On my One S, I had signal issues. Plus the One S doesn't have a removable battery or expansion slot. Although the One S does have a sleek design and a better S4 SnapDragon processor (assuming the replacement is S4)
The one S is the much better phone.
Advantages of one S, assuming you get the S4 version:
- audio (the best audio there is along with the GS 3 and possibly the iphone 5 now)
- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3 and the X when it comes to performance per core, power efficiency and heat) and it is the fastest device I have used to date, faster than the GS 3 quad etc.
- best battery life excluding the RAZR max and possibly the iphone 5
- better screen than the GS 2 (read anandtech's review, they class it as being the best SAMOLED display they have ever used essentially) The only downside of it is that it isn't 720P and slightly larger, but the calibration of the screen is very good and IMO the overall quality when it comes to the colours etc. is better than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- build/perceived quality
- IMO design/looks
- one of the best cameras, although 1080P recording isn't great
- sense V4 IMO (the camera UI and features can't be matched as well as a few other things)
- NLED, although a crap NLED
Disadvantages for some people:
- low internal storage (10GB for videos, photos etc. and 2.21 GB for apps) and no SD slot
- no NFC
- non removable battery
Advantages of the GS 2 over the S:
- removable battery
- SD slot
- better developing community
- 1080P recording in terms of smoothness and light metering
The phone is superb, however, HTC's support for the S with regards to the updates is shocking and is why I might move to one of the new nexus devices if they match or better the S!
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- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3)
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hahaha
Don't compare quadcore A9 with dual core A15.
Our Krait is fast but is a piece of **** comparing with quadcore from exynos.
GPU is sucks here also. We can't even play full 1080p video in desktop mod, because ****ty adreno 225. Games are lags also.
U didn't see that ? No ? Because you do not know the difference
Quadcore is a quadcore son. Don't be stupid.
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hahaha
Don't compare quadcore A9 with dual core A15.
Our Krait is fast but is a piece of **** comparing with quadcore from exynos.
GPU is sucks here also. We can't even play full 1080p video in desktop mod, because ****ty adreno 225. Games are lags also.
U didn't see that ? No ? Because you do not know the difference
Quadcore is a quadcore son. Don't be stupid.
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I see you haven't educated yourself any further since I last pwned you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31643039&postcount=14
Back to your nursing home "pa". Leave technology to the younger generation.
PS. Regarding the 1080P not being played back, ever heard of a thing called software optimization? I guess you haven't......
Take those 1080P youtube videos and play them back in BS player and they work flawlessly.
Also what games are these? Poorly optimized games? Every game I have tried has been super smooth on the S.
HTH
Terminator19 said:
I see you haven't educated yourself any further since I last pwned you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31643039&postcount=14
Back to your nursing home "pa". Leave technology to the younger generation.
PS. Regarding the 1080P not being played back, ever heard of a thing called software optimization? I guess you haven't......
Take those 1080P videos and play them back in BS player and they work flawlessly.
Also what games are these? Poorly optimized games? Every game I have tried has been super smooth on the S.
HTH
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S III Release date: 22 May 2012
and your review made in May 01 2012.
Let me guess ATT decided to pay for review, so as a to resist fraud complaints.
Im gonna see later on review when they will release Galaxy note2 with quadcore.
I can say samething like u do....benchmarking is not optimized for quadcore.
And any way Krait A15 it's based on the same instruction set as the new ARM A15 processors"
please be sure to make clear the Qualcomm "Krait" Soc's are NOT full A15 architectures. they are BASED on A9's with heavily modified architectural features from the A15 ARM reference design, but the Krait is NOT a full A15.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well.
there are many differences between Qualcomm's S4 "Krait" architecture and ARM's A15 design.
Just as Qualcomm's "Scorpion" A8-based chips weren't completely A9's either although they were heavily modified to include some A9 features.
Egypt test favors Vertex shading power, and Mali400 is intentionally lacking in that department. If you were to built a test that was pixel shader heavy, the results would be more balanced. You saw this same kind of thing happen in the GeForce 7, Radion X1900 era, when it was nVidia that decided it was better to have more Pixel power than Vertex power. The SGX doesn't haven't to worry about that since it's USA.
Remember how much it had not been optimized it still dual. And it means that you are limited in the maximum load. (DUAL WITH THE DAMN LOW RESOLUTION ! Which is BIG POINTS in benchmarking.)
U never use your phone how I do. Try to run media in car by Bluetooth, and surf the internet. when your google navigation is ON. What u gonna say now ? Is not optimized yet? Now do everything same on quadcore exynos...it will do it "like a boss".
I can give you fact after fact for a long time...but it's no point. U just got HTC one s...and I got cellphone store. I do not need to read reviews, I'm the one who makes them.
Terminator19 said:
The one S is the much better phone.
Advantages of one S, assuming you get the S4 version:
- audio (the best audio there is along with the GS 3 and possibly the iphone 5 now)
- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3 and the X when it comes to performance per core, power efficiency and heat) and it is the fastest device I have used to date, faster than the GS 3 quad etc.
- best battery life excluding the RAZR max and possibly the iphone 5
- better screen than the GS 2 (read anandtech's review, they class it as being the best SAMOLED display they have ever used essentially) The only downside of it is that it isn't 720P and slightly larger, but the calibration of the screen is very good and IMO the overall quality when it comes to the colours etc. is better than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- build/perceived quality
- IMO design/looks
- one of the best cameras, although 1080P recording isn't great
- sense V4 IMO (the camera UI and features can't be matched as well as a few other things)
- NLED, although a crap NLED
Disadvantages for some people:
- low internal storage (10GB for videos, photos etc. and 2.21 GB for apps) and no SD slot
- no NFC
- non removable battery
Advantages of the GS 2 over the S:
- removable battery
- SD slot
- better developing community
- 1080P recording in terms of smoothness and light metering
The phone is superb, however, HTC's support for the S with regards to the updates is shocking and is why I might move to one of the new nexus devices if they match or better the S!
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Thanks for the in-depth comparison. This really helps me make a decision.
I hate to give up the quality 1080p recording of the S2, but the One S just seems like the next step in tech.
I'm gonna give it a shot because of the things you've mentioned, and because I'm guaranteed to get a new phone vs. a potentially refurbished S2.
avetny said:
S III Release date: 22 May 2012
and your review made in May 01 2012.
Let me guess ATT decided to pay for review, so as a to resist fraud complaints.
Im gonna see later on review when they will release Galaxy note2 with quadcore.
I can say samething like u do....benchmarking is not optimized for quadcore.
And any way Krait A15 it's based on the same instruction set as the new ARM A15 processors"
please be sure to make clear the Qualcomm "Krait" Soc's are NOT full A15 architectures. they are BASED on A9's with heavily modified architectural features from the A15 ARM reference design, but the Krait is NOT a full A15.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well.
there are many differences between Qualcomm's S4 "Krait" architecture and ARM's A15 design.
Just as Qualcomm's "Scorpion" A8-based chips weren't completely A9's either although they were heavily modified to include some A9 features.
Egypt test favors Vertex shading power, and Mali400 is intentionally lacking in that department. If you were to built a test that was pixel shader heavy, the results would be more balanced. You saw this same kind of thing happen in the GeForce 7, Radion X1900 era, when it was nVidia that decided it was better to have more Pixel power than Vertex power. The SGX doesn't haven't to worry about that since it's USA.
Remember how much it had not been optimized it still dual. And it means that you are limited in the maximum load. (DUAL WITH THE DAMN LOW RESOLUTION ! Which is BIG POINTS in benchmarking.)
U never use your phone how I do. Try to run media in car by Bluetooth, and surf the internet. when your google navigation is ON. What u gonna say now ? Is not optimized yet? Now do everything same on quadcore exynos...it will do it "like a boss".
I can give you fact after fact for a long time...but it's no point. U just got HTC one s...and I got cellphone store. I do not need to read reviews, I'm the one who makes them.
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What?
Your post makes no sense at all apart from the middle part......Please learn how to write proper English with the correct use of grammar before posting.
Anyway, taking parts of your post that I can just about make out.
What review are you talking about? None of the reviews I have linked to were created on the 1st May and my review was done near the end of April.
Yes, benchmarking apps aren't optimised for quad core, therefore every expert review site will still use it anyway, seems legit.......
Emm, I said to compare the XL instead of the S, due to the S having a lower res. than the GS 3. The XL has the same res. as the GS 3 and it still beats the GS 3 quad in those benchmarks that I posted.....
I have never used my phone for that, so I can't comment from my own experience on that particular usage. What you are referring to is multi-tasking, which HTC have ****ed up on, they even said it is a "feature", therefore that is why you are probably having issues with doing those 3 things at the same time, again down to software optimization, not hardware.
Ok so you have this "cellphone store" of yours, yet you use a HTC one S as your main phone instead of your beloved GS 3, yeah ok........
nova hands said:
Thanks for the in-depth comparison. This really helps me make a decision.
I hate to give up the quality 1080p recording of the S2, but the One S just seems like the next step in tech.
I'm gonna give it a shot because of the things you've mentioned, and because I'm guaranteed to get a new phone vs. a potentially refurbished S2.
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No problem
Got the One S last week.
Absolutely love this phone, but my reception at home and at work has suffered as a result of the switch.
I'm not sure why, but I don't get enough signal in my house to make a call now. I was getting 2 solid bars of service with my Galaxy S2.
Are there different radios for this device that I can try?
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First, I have to say that I am really very excited that PIPO has chosen me, along with 19 other people, to review this new tablet. I’ve become quite a fan of the device as soon as I laid my eyes on it. As I always go for uniqueness and the feel of black technology (Sorry, Apple!), the PIPO M8 gives me just everything I need!
For people who have never heard of this brand, it is a company focusing on making differentiated tablets in the Chinese markets. It is the first Chinese company to market a 7 inch tablet with 1280*800 IPS display, an 8.9 inch PLS tablet as well as this 9.4 IPS display device we are testing today. As far as I am concerned, this marketing strategy has been quite successful, as PIPO has attracted tens of thousands of fans in just a few months’ time since U1 hit the market.
Highlights
9.4” IPS Capacitive Touchscreen, 1280*800
Slim Magazine-like Design
Support WCDMA/GSM Mobile Internet (Only the 3G version)
Android 4.1 OS
RK3066 Dual Core 1.6GHZ processor, quad-core of Mali-400MP
1GB RAM, 16GB ROM
5.0 Mega-pixels AF Camera
Front facing Stereo Speakers
Bluetooth 2.1
Support OTG, HDMI
Support 2160p video playback
Specifications
Operating System: Android 4.1.1
Model: PIPO M8
Display Technology: IPS Capacitive touch screen
Screen Size: 9.4 inch
Resolution: 1280*800
CPU Manufacturer: Rockchip
CPU Model: RK3066 Dual core A9 Chipset with Mali-400MP4
CPU Speed: 1.6GHz
RAM:1GB [email protected]
Hard Drive Capacity: 16GB
PCMCIA Expansion: T-FLASH (Support 32GB MAX)
Camera: 2MP+5MP Auto Focus
HDMI: HDMI1.4
3G: Internal 3G for 3G version, external 3G for the WIFI version
Bluetooth: Yes
GPS:NO
G-Sensor:Yes
Gyroscope: Yes
Audio: Built in stereo speakers (frontal)/ Built in Microphone
Language:Multi-language support
Battery Type: Li-ion, 6500mAh
Charging Voltage: DC 9V - 2.5A
Color: Black
Item Dimensions/ W*D*H:240x 172 x 9.0mm
Net Weight: 520g
Connectors
Ports: 2 x Micro USB port (USB Host and USB data port)
1 x Micro SD card slot
1 x 2.5mm DC input (9V, 2.5A)
1 x Audio jack
1 x Mini HDMI port
Communications
Wireless Connection:WIFI 802.11 b/g/n; WIFI+3G for the 3G version
Bluetooth 2.1
Retail Package
I received a gigantic delivery package last Friday, within which there are a slim paper back box which holds the tablet and a warranty certificate, another smaller but thicker paper box which holds the fittings and the manual for this tablet. A protection cover which is more likely an optional fitting more than a bundled one.
And above are all the standard fittings for the tablet.
Design
There’s no questioning that PIPO has come up with a stand-out look for this tablet. From the second you see the M8, it’s clear that the company is making a statement about how you’ll live and work with the device. The basic shape calls to mind a folded book or magazine, which is really comfortable to look at even though it feels very different. The device sports a 9.4-inch screen and weighs in at 520g, but it feels lighter in your hands than other tablets on the market because of the way the shape allows weight to be distributed. The tablet is only 9.02mm at its thickest point, and tapers down to a narrow 4.36mm.
Whether or not you warm up to this design is probably a matter of taste, but I found myself a big fan of the magazine shape, in both two-handed and single-hand settings, as well as on a flat surface. The beveled shape makes typing slightly easier when you have the M8 on a desk.
Besides the big screen up front, the M8 features a 2.0 Mega Pixels Front-facing camera, an ambient light detection sensor which enables auto-brightness of the display, and two speaker gates. This is the first time I’ve seen any tablets putting speaker gates on the front, but this is actually a very smart move, as you could never block them again wherever you put your tablet, Both the clarity of the outer sound the stereo speakers produces and its volume is very good, better than any other Chinese branded tablets I have tested.
Most of the ports and all the hardware keys are located on the upper edge, including a menu key, an ESC key. a Micro SD card slot which supports cards up to 32GB, a Micro USB Host connector, a Micro USB data port, a Mini HDMI interface, an LED notification light and a DC charging jack. The plug PIPO includes is of the 9V-2.5A standard, which ensures great charging efficiency.
On the left edge lies a 3.5mm audio jack, and on the right a Power/Standby switch which is artistically designed.
On the back you will find a 5 Mega-pixels AF camera which is able to shoot fairly sharp photos, another outstanding feature for the gorgeous device. All of the ports and buttons on the device feel very reasonably placed and easy to find.
In all, the M8 is a distinct device with a lot going for it in terms of industrial design, and there is almost no misstep here that makes the device underwhelming. The skin-feel metal back cover gives the device all the feel of expensiveness it needs, even comparing to those Apple and Samsung tablets which are priced many times more.
Display
The front is occupied by a 9.4” 1280x800 pixels screen, surrounded by fairly thin bezel. The screen resolution is the main gripe to be held against the M8, in this day and age of flagship slates with 1080p displays and above. Having said that, it is a very good screen in terms of colors, contrast ratio and viewing angles. The display brightness is also really satisfactory, meaning that you would be able to use the M8 outside even on a sunny day.
Internals
Inside the M8, you will find a healthy dose of familiar Android guts. The device is powered by Rockchip RK3066 dual core A9 chipset, running at 1.6GHZ, meaning you’ll get solid performance on all almost all applications. According to previous tests with other tablets powered by this chipset, RK3066 is arguably the most powerful dual core ARM processor. The M8 has 1GB of RAM onboard and 16GB of internal storage. The device also sports Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and an array of sensors (gyro, light, accelerometer, etc.).
Software
Most tablets these days must be judged on their software. In the case of Android Jelly Bean tablets, that’s not exactly a Herculean effort.
PIPO is no different in the sense that the company has opted for slight tweaks in the software rather than a major overhaul. The M8 utilizes largely the same build of Jelly Bean as other tablets (like the Galaxy Tab 8.9), though there are a few notable differences.
First, PIPO has designed a customized M8 homescreen which does not have a portrait mode, this can be quite annoying sometimes when you exit an portrait-default application like an E-reader or games such as Temple Run.
The widgets and icons of the regular applications have been revised to fit the custom UI. Having seen lots of stock Android UIs, I find myself quite a fan of those cute, crystal-like icons. As the M8 has no hardware controls for volume adjustment, PIPO has put the virtual volume rocker in the permanent android status bar, along with a screenshot button and the regular ECS key, Home key and Task Switcher.
PIPO has also preinstalled a few applications and games on the M8, but one of them PIPO-exclusive. You can easily find them free in any android market app.
Cameras
The rear-facing 5.0 Mega-pixels camera does a great job of capturing images — if you’re into holding a nearly 10-inch tablet up while you snap away. As I’ve said in many other tablet reviews, taking photos with the cameras on tablets are completely silly to me, even though I actually have seen quite a few Chinese and Japanese people doing that in public. I certainly won’t. On the other hand, the front-facing camera here is a step up from most other models, and I’m happy to see PIPO trying to improve the specs on what is normally an afterthought.
Just know this: even though the rear camera is probably the best I have seen on any Chinese tablet, it won’t replace a real camera or decent smartphone option — mostly due to the size of the device and awkwardness in use.
You can also capture 480P videos with the M8, though this seems even more bizarre to me than snapping photos. Quality was solid, though the device’s awkward size made it tough to get steady content.
Performance
As I have mentioned above, the RK3066 chipset, although seemingly a little outdated as a bunch of quad-corers have already hit the market, is still able to provide more than enough power to run the device smoothly over a variety of applications.
Some benchmark scores of the M8 and the comparison to other dual core devices.
In terms of General performance, the device seemed speedy running graphically intense games. And the experience of video playback is also very pleasant as the chipset can easily supports all formats of videos to at least 1080P. Thanks to the updates Google has made for Android4.1, the responsiveness and smoothness is better than ever. It doesn’t pale even compared to the Apple iOS.
Connectivity
As for connectivity, M8 has probably the best WIFI reception of all Chinese tablets I've tested, Online video streaming is possible even when you are 10 meters and some walls away from the WIFI router.
Besides, M8 also has built-in Bluetooth, which is a rare feature for Chinese slates. The WIFI version of the tablet can also get access to 3G network through connecting a 3G network card to the device through an OTG cable. And the 3G version has built-in 3G module which supports WCDMA/GSM SIM card. As I've only received a WIFI version, I cannot tell you how well the 3G module works on the M8.
Battery Life
Battery life on the M8 seemed solid to me, as the device features a 6500mAh rechargeable Li-PO battery. In my intense 720p video playback test, the M8 lasted nearly 8 hours, which is quite something considering that most Chinese tablets can hardly stand 5 hours of screen-on use. However, I did notice a more pronounced drain on the battery when the device was sleeping than my Tegra2 powered Samsung Galaxy Tab8.9 and Motorola XOOM, and I felt it fell short of competitors like the Ainol NOVO10 (8000mAh battery) and FSL Fast (8000mAh battery) in terms of overall battery longevity.
Another annoying issue is that the device does not support charging under the shutdown state, even though the charging efficiency with the 9V-2.5A plug is quite amazing (A full charge only takes as short as 3 hours).
Wrap-up
Good stuff:
Fascinating industrial design
Great looking display
Capable cameras
Excellent front facing stereo speakers
Solid battery life
Wonderful WIFI reception
Not so good stuff:
Incapability of charging under a shutdown state
Pricier than alternative options
Android slates are mostly competing on specs and price these days, rather than with design and overall experience.
The M8 goes for RMB1199 ($193) from PIPO, and, granted, this is $200 less than the market-leading iPad Mini, or the original 9.4 inch Sony Tablet S which is powered by the quad-core Tegra3 chipset. But for the same $200 price you can get the Exynos Qua-core Ramos W30, or the brand new Ployer MOMO19 with quad-core A31 and 2GB of ram.
The M8 does offer some features to differentiate itself from the competition, though, apart from the distinctive looks, like the very capable cameras and battery. Other than that, you can find plenty of decent Android tablets with this screen resolution and processing power for even less.
Overall, those who'd appreciate the more distinctive, elegant look will find the M8 right up their alley. But for those who just want a cheap Chinese tablet with a big screen and decent processing power, there might be other options.
thanks for your report.
questions:
how fast is the gpu clock for the mali mp400mp4 in the m8, ist the clock at 533 mhz???
Thanks for your question, the GPU is clocked at 399MHZ, powerful enough to run all Android games smoothly.
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against cube u30gt how does it compete?
thanks
Okay, ive got one for over a week now, the M* 3G (built in), and I must say......it rocks! Can work for about 6 Hrs without recharging, Wifi is perfect, design is a beauty,Im living in the Netherlands and today I tried (without any hopes of working) my built in 3G sim...guess what, no problem, worked right away. Graphic Speed is more than sufficient. The screenres. is perfect, tried to stream from my QNAP 469 (Twonky & Serviio) and the QNAP apps, worked like charm ( besides the mkv of 20+ gb.....but that's normal). When you buy this Tablet, beware of the fact that the OTG cable can be defect (as was mine...) when i tried to hook up a keyboard which i ordered in a sleeve, after replacing it it worked fine (also mouse and HDD). Sufficient power out for the HDD. Conclusion for me (mind...non-gamer, mediafreak yess) for about $185 ex. shipping: A WINNER!
For me, m8 is the better choice, u30gt is much porkier. And I prefer the design of m8.
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the 3G version, $185? r u serious? It's priced at RMB1,399 here in China, which is above $200....
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You should mention in the negatives that you can't update the android OS by OTA you have to do a whole procedure to do a system update via your pc (so if you have a linux based pc you are pretty much sc....d). In my case I have an Andersson ADT 2.6 which is a rebranded Pipo M8
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M8 replacement
For those who love their M8 Pro, like I do ...and would like a viable replacement someday, look to the M8HD.
It is the same case with a 10.1" brighter screen installed; thinner screen surrounds; bigger battery.
Pretty sure the M8 Pro is being/has been discontinued. I hated that they might give up the M8 size and style.
Not so, thankfully!
Could be one day we will see a RK3288 in the M8 case. Now that would be nice! ?:good:
Edit on 6/28/15
Amazing that I can still edit this post after so long. My M8 Pro finally died a quiet death. I was going to give it to a family member now that I have my Cube T9; decided to update the RileyRom, and bricked the tablet. Dead android on back; frozen on screen with a triangle above him marking his demise.
Boo hoo! There was a lot about the M8 Pro I really liked!
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The battery is not even close to what the review is referring. Its last for 2 hours only in daily use and it was something like that from the begging. I have the tablet for 1 and a half year and after 6 months it started to hang, freez, you hard reset it and does not come on easily. As a conclusion DO NOT BUY IT!!! NEVER NEVER!!!