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I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San
dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San
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LoL
If you were happy and content with what you had, you wouldn't be here mate, you'd still be using Wm5 LMAO.
Happy hunting, I do believe you were using NNCuongs at some point recently..............
Cheers,
Beasty
dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Rant complete.
San
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Hi San,
Imagine, using Universal just as a phone.
But, no.................
It has to be better than:
Desktop PC
Portable PC
GSM
Phone
PDA
Surf the net
Connect to whatever
Remind to be sub-servant to the other (better) half
.........
So, the never ending quest continues ......
Hey mate, remember we are talking about Universal......
Best Regards,
KOR!
dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
San
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Hi San,
Or it could be sheer boredom or you are in love with your Universal!
I WANT A NEW DRUG
I want a new drug
One that wont make me sick
One that wont make me crash my car
Or make me feel three feet thick
I want a new drug
One that wont hurt my head
One that wont make my mouth too dry
Or make my eyes too red
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
I want a new drug
One that wont spill
One that dont cost too much
Or come in a pill
I want a new drug
One that wont go away
One that wont keep me up all night
One that wont make me sleep all day
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
Im alone with you baby
I want a new drug
One that does what it should
One that wont make me feel too bad
One that wont make me feel too good
I want a new drug
One with no doubt
One that wont make me talk too much
Or make my face break out
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
I am in love with you
I am in love with you, baby!
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Cheers mate,
KOR!
Possible solution.
Right click your rom downloads and go to properties to check the creation date, hopefully this will jog your memory. The gap in dates should hopefully give you a clue.
dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
Rant complete.
San
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San, you must be dreaming or you logged in on the wrong forum!
Aren't most of us here love flashing ROM's not because we're looking for the perfect one but because we get high by trying the latest one and posting something like this: "a perfect ROM, extremely fast & stable BUT, ......"
There was never a perfect device or ROM for us, but let me give you a clue.
Which ROM is highly customizable, boots up with 29Mb free RAM even with HTC Home plug-in installed, able to retain 24Mb of free RAM after heavy use, seldom crashes, supports 128Mb RAM, perfectly usable by doing away with progs & tools you don't use anyway? Beat that!
Your guess is good as mine!
Do you mean you're going back to the Best WM5 ROM you ever had? The Darkforces Team ROM!
i have tried many and the one i felt in lovewith was NNcoung ROM. Its fast, stable, no memory leaks, 31+ of ram after reset, flash disk (the best of all since you can install all the apps you want here with no side effects) and vanilla so you can install whatever you want. try it you will see that is the best ROM for universal EVER.
dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San
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Hi,
Have you used Mtty to format/clean your memory ? (sometimes it helps)
And indeed I should try Nncuong's rom.
Greetings,
Wout
wow wow wow!! So many replies, dont know which one to respond to ;o)))
I'm guessing all the 18538 based roms dont seem to be stable on my device setup. It was one of the earlier builds which worked good for me. The 18538 roms always bombed up on me and i kept reverting back to one of the older roms which was flawless. The problem is, I changed my laptop and i dont have the nk.nbf file which i had with me . So i'm waiting for the coming weekend to start the hunt all over again
Until then, i got to live with this fubar'ed POS :-/ Really gets on to your nerves when it crashes over 30 times a day (not exagerating...all i need to do is, be on a call and try and push a button, and the call's frozen. I cant disconnect the call, the END or disconnect hardware buttons all dont respond)
I guess i'll just jump to beastyleo's rom, only thing that doesnt work is a2dp for me, which is much better than this crash-fest, roach motel rom that i'm currently running on!
Cheers,
San
If you have a G3 device try this: http://www.sym-viet.com/nncuong/UNI_2_11_11_G3.rar
the only rom i saw without memory leak. Havent tried beastyleo's tho.
A2DP is really good, it freezes device but just press play button on your headset to unfreeze happens once per day avg.
I only can say................ we made big progress today
And update is comming soon to your way......................
Skwyk said:
If you have a G3 device try this: http://www.sym-viet.com/nncuong/UNI_2_11_11_G3.rar
the only rom i saw without memory leak. Havent tried beastyleo's tho.
A2DP is really good, it freezes device but just press play button on your headset to unfreeze happens once per day avg.
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Universal Is A Useless Device!
Basically, Universal Is A Useless Device!
And, my friends and my relatives think that I have a big head
WHY?
The basic function of the Universal is Phone. As a Phone it is a useless device even with Windows Mobile 5. It is slow, eats up batteries, has crashes and so forth.
It is very bulky, always has to be carried in the hands. With a belt clip it is immense. It is impossible to use while driving. And, even the voice command is useless as it gets the number wrong most of the time.
So, welcome to Windows Mobile 6, which is not supported by HTC for Universal. It is the same story with Windows Mobile 6 and we are constantly re-flashing as it is full of bugs.
My friends and my relatives tell me that I have a big head, as they call me and that I never return their missed calls. I have painfully explained them about Universal.
So, they say buy a new phone. I tell them that I bought by Xda Exec in the first part of this year!
So, buy a new phone if you want to be in touch with your friends and your relatives. What I do!
I go in July of this year and buy Jasjar. Another Universal!
When I bought it, I told my self that I will only use it for Phone!
Now I own two Universals, several standard and large batteries. Two sim cards and several cases. Lots of different mono and stereo bluetooth and so forth!
Now I am constantly flashing both of my Universal. My friends and relatives still complain about the miss calls. So, now I am thinking to buy a small HTC Phone for just only Phone purposes.
But, I am also thinking to upgrade both of my Universal to 128MB.
I guess, I have to prioritize????
Any betting man or woman out there!
KOR!
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The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
San
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Hi San,
Have a look at the following thread, your troubles might be related to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351578
KOR!
well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San
dreamtheater39 said:
well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San
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Hi San,
It looks like we are both having the same problems with our uni.
You noticed that it could have something to do with ours being one of the earlier production models ?
FYI i'm now running build 18533.0.7.1 by Nncuong with radio 1.17.
And this is now running without any softresets for 48 hours, which is a new record for my *&@#% uni.
But I still love the thing, It's a hate/love relation
Could you let me know which roms run stable on your uni ?
And do you also sometimes find that it looks stable but after 8 or so hours it seems like the thing is "deteriorating" needing softresets increasingly more often ?
greetings,
Wout
(and also important, after 11 hours battery still at 89%, with light usage of phone )
wout said:
Hi San,
It looks like we are both having the same problems with our uni.
You noticed that it could have something to do with ours being one of the earlier production models ?
FYI i'm now running build 18533.0.7.1 by Nncuong with radio 1.17.
And this is now running without any softresets for 48 hours, which is a new record for my *&@#% uni.
But I still love the thing, It's a hate/love relation
Could you let me know which roms run stable on your uni ?
And do you also sometimes find that it looks stable but after 8 or so hours it seems like the thing is "deteriorating" needing softresets increasingly more often ?
greetings,
Wout
(and also important, after 11 hours battery still at 89%, with light usage of phone )
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Woww!!! Looks like you're speaking through my brain m8!!!
Especially the pseudo short-lived happiness with the new roms (18538 roms!) until all hell breaks loose!
As i've noticed, the nncuong roms, the darkforce (earlier) roms worked great for me. Right now, i've flashed thingonaspring's 3.2 rom, hoping this baby will hold up....lets see how it goes!
The mo3ulla rom (confirmed) was a nightmare on my device setup. Was the worst of the lot, mainly because of a serious memory leak problem. Harldy any time, and it drops to a skimpy 3meg free ram status with nothing running!
Was way too crappy to be used for anything at all, flashed over thingonaspring's rom (its a 18533 rom), i'm wishing this one would work fine for me....will post in and let you know how it fares...
cheers,
San
hahaha,
If i'm right your device won't like thingy's 3.2 (it was a softreset fest on mine)
let me know will you ?
greetings,
Wout
wout said:
hahaha,
If i'm right your device won't like thingy's 3.2 (it was a softreset fest on mine)
let me know will you ?
greetings,
Wout
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oh gawdddd ((( thingy's rom is no good on my device
What rom r u currently running and how good is it???? I guess i need to replicate ur setup!
The last stable rom i can think of is Darkforce's rom, and i dont seem to find it on the forums....do u have a download link???
cheers
San
addiction
Flashing of Different ROM's is an addiction dangerous than grug adduction....
I don't know now how many times I have flashed my Universal..Thre is no end to it. Our Developer friends always come with the new ideas and we follow them...........What is the result? everyone knows better.
dreamtheater39 said:
well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San
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Hi San,
So simple and I kept rambling on and on.
Ramblin’ Man
Lord I was born a ramblin’ man
Tryin to make a livin and doin’ the best I can
When it’s time for leavin I hope you’ll understand
That I was born a rambling man
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Hint: My signature contains two of the best ROMs ever!
Best Regards,
KOR!
1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
jgdorado;1873942]I'm recieving a TYTN II tomarrow locked to ATT. I'm using t-mobile here in Florida. I want to completely eliminate any reference to ATT and run whatever rom's would provide the best of the best. So please entertain my questions as this may quite help many others who are trying to get the big pcture........
1) can I use Win2000Pro(sp4+) for these procedures
2) Should I 1st use Kaiser Super CID unlocker, or CID unlocker 1st?
3) then do I run the HardSPL v1
4) Then it appears that I should run this sim-unlocker
5) Then it appears that I need to load some form of other ROM i.e. Schwab cooked, Dutty V.4RTM or what do you folks suggest is best?
I assume WM6 remains untouched??? and the other operations like GPS, WiFi, etc??
Please treat the above as questions. I'm seeking your advice
Thanks for de-weeding my brain here
JG
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I am simply soliciting those who have a wonderfully working 8925/tilt/kaiser/tytn etc tell me what you're running and in what order does the s/w get installed for best operation
Your response is and will be greatly appreciated by all of us who are trying hard to get the bigger picture. I know it's your opinion (goes without saying) but your opinion matters and your experience with a fully functional kaiser gives us a place to start
THANK YOU -JG
jgdorado said:
1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
jgdorado said:
I'm recieving a TYTN II tomarrow locked to ATT. I'm using t-mobile here in Florida. I want to completely eliminate any reference to ATT and run whatever rom's would provide the best of the best. So please entertain my questions as this may quite help many others who are trying to get the big pcture........
1) can I use Win2000Pro(sp4+) for these procedures
2) Should I 1st use Kaiser Super CID unlocker, or CID unlocker 1st?
3) then do I run the HardSPL v1
4) Then it appears that I should run this sim-unlocker
5) Then it appears that I need to load some form of other ROM i.e. Schwab cooked, Dutty V.4RTM or what do you folks suggest is best?
I assume WM6 remains untouched??? and the other operations like GPS, WiFi, etc??
Please treat the above as questions. I'm seeking your advice
Thanks for de-weeding my brain here
JG
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I am simply soliciting those who have a wonderfully working 8925/tilt/kaiser/tytn etc tell me what you're running and in what order does the s/w get installed for best operation
Your response is and will be greatly appreciated by all of us who are trying hard to get the bigger picture. I know it's your opinion (goes without saying) but your opinion matters and your experience with a fully functional kaiser gives us a place to start
THANK YOU -JG
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1. I really have no clue.
2-5. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895 and checkout other articles here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
jgdorado said:
1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
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You are getting no response because the other members are being nice, and not to flame at you. Your answers are the first 8 stickies in the Kaiser Upgrade forum.
Fellow Floridian here. Hopefully you're a Gator fan. Consider this your freebie .
Flash this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679. You'll then be CID unlocked and have the ability to flash another ROM. If you have any issues, start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039 This is the SIM unlocker that everyone has used. I have not used it because mine could be unlocked via AT&T.
Then read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895, the wiki and the stickies before flashing. Remember, you can brick your phone if you are not sure of what you are doing. Take a day or two to read as much as possible. That being said, the chefs have made it super easy.
As for ROMs, they truly are opinion. Everyone has their own needs. I like clean ROMs and don't use things like cubes. Currently using Q-Mobile 1.2. Just flashed from Dutty's V2 medium. Loved them both. Also really liked Alex's and Custel's. Even tried Jack's for a while and liked it. The differences are often minute and sometimes even just perception about speed and performance. Someone recently did a performance review of a bunch of ROMs - there's an excel file around here somewhere. I have spent a couple of months trying to find my ideal and may never (as fast as great new ROMs come out here.) It's an addiction. Go ahead - take your first hit.
Again thanks for your answers.
I get the fact that I need to CID and Sim unlock the phone 1st. What I'm not quite getting are the different ROM's. I must assume the phone has one for its out-of-box operation. So when I flash a new rom does it overwrite the old one or does the old need to be unloaded (saved somewhere??). Does the WM6 remain untouched? How about the other features of the phone like GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc? Are they part of the rom or hardware withing the circuitry
After all the reading (2 weeks now) these items remain unclear to me. Thanks for not flaming at me, but if in the midst an answer is unveiled....I have thick skin
I feel like I'm getting somewhere and this thread will help others too.
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Again thanks for your answers.
I get the fact that I need to CID and Sim unlock the phone 1st. What I'm not quite getting are the different ROM's. I must assume the phone has one for its out-of-box operation. So when I flash a new rom does it overwrite the old one or does the old need to be unloaded (saved somewhere??). Does the WM6 remain untouched? How about the other features of the phone like GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc? Are they part of the rom or hardware withing the circuitry
After all the reading (2 weeks now) these items remain unclear to me. Thanks for not flaming at me, but if in the midst an answer is unveiled....I have thick skin
I feel like I'm getting somewhere and this thread will help others too.
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Well, flashing a ROM means to replace the default operating system with a modified one, so, the answer is yes to your question whether or not WM6 is touched. No matter what ROM you flash, you will have GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc. Think of it this way: You will still have your CD-ROM drive, your ethernet card, etc. if you reinstall Windows or upgrade to another version.
Think of a ROM as a full hard drive image. On your laptop you have Windows XP, Office and a bunch of other programs. But you like your buddy's setup better. He tweaked his registry and has chosen free programs that you like better, etc. So you are using his full hard drive image and overwriting yours. You'll be using his copy of Windows XP, but it will be legal because you have a key that came with your machine.
The ROMs here overwrite everything. They include everything basic you need to run your PPC and have tweaked the settings and registry keys to get the most out of all of your equipment. The differences are in those tweaks and then the programs they add on. Check out Alex's new wiki. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's ROMs He gives a great idea of the range of ROM options...everything from the absolute basics (all hardware works and comes with the supporting software but you get to add everything else you want, including Office - so this basically equates to just a windows install for your laptop) all the way to all the possible "bells and whistles" including .pdf readers, games, etc. etc. All of the programs that are add-ons to the ROMs are freeware, because XDA doesn't allow warez. As such, you may find a piece of paid software that you like better than something that is used a lot here (for example, I've purchased Opera Mobile), but you'll learn which are the best free options via the ROMs.
The beauty of ROM flashing is it's fast. Takes about ten minutes to flash a new ROM (plus time to install all your add-on programs). If you don't like the one you tried this week (or in some cases day), try a new one next week (or tomorrow). Just make sure you use the radio that is suggested with most ROMs (some include the radio, some allow you to install the radio separately - this will be documented in the post/wiki). Thus you can figure out which optional programs you like the best and use the appropriate ROM. Learning to flash is relatively easy. Figuring out which of the ROMs and other programs you like best - that takes time and it is truly individual opinion.
Edit: BTW - you do not HAVE to SIM unlock your phone before messing with ROMs. I didn't when I started because I'm using on AT&T anyway and wasn't that worried about it. FYI.
With all the reading I've been doing here I never came accross the thread you referred me to....PRICELESS (THX)
Guilf said:
Check out Alex's new wiki. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's ROMs He gives a great idea of the range of ROM options...everything from the absolute basics (all hardware works and comes with the supporting software but you get to add everything else you want, including Office - so this basically equates to just a windows install for your laptop) all the way to all the possible "bells and whistles" including .pdf readers, games, etc. etc.
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Also I now have the impression that the only reason he's made ATT vs HTC Roms has noting to do with the labeling on the phone (Mine's ATT) but only to do with using the ATT .09 radio, otherwise I can use any of the HTC roms and pick a radio that works for my T-mobile service. If I'm wrong please say so.
Also, still wondering whether I can get away with NT2000(sp4) as an OS on my pc.
im fairly certain that you will have no issue using win2k, as its the same kernal as winXP(just not as pretty), which is what most people use to do their flashing. as long as you are able to install activesync and its not vista you should be good to go.
His wiki is pretty new - perhaps that's why you haven't seen it yet. Again, there will be 20 people on here that will swear the ROM they use is the best. You could go equally well starting with Dutty's work (or Q-Mobile or whichever). However, Alex's work is topnotch and as good a place to start as any of the top cooks.
Without knowing precisely, I believe he made the AT&T versions because he's in the U.S. and probably uses AT&T himself. His AT&T versions use the standard AT&T radio and come preconfigured with all the standard AT&T Medianet settings. I've flashed both versions and they work great (I'm on AT&T). But, yes, in your case I would use the standard HTC ROMs.
Good luck.
P.S. As for your PC OS, not really sure. Too much of a newbie for that one myself. Have only heard about specific problems with Vista, but it seems they've made a fix for that. My guess is that you're fine (I know it's the same kernel as XP), but if you're concerned try Pof to find out about HardSPL.
thanks for all the input.....
Here's my new dilemma
It's a G4....so now I need to find nothing but G4 soft/hardSPL along with G4 Rom's and of Unlock the SIM of a G4
That's a Wizard variant. Check the Wizard forum. I think there's also a G4 specific area. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=343
will that work for the Kaiser/Tytn II/ tilt?
I was reading about the Wizard but nothing from there was actually working on my phone
I'm befuddled. Do you have a Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II or a G4? Perhaps I didn't understand your previous post. No, the Tilt stuff will not work on the G4 and the G4 stuff will not work on the Tilt. Different units/different hardware/different CID unlock/different ROMs.
Do you have a Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II or a G4?
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they are the same. The Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II comes in both the G3 and G4 versions.
So now I seek the G4 versions of the CID and SIM unlockers as well as a G4 safe ROM
Any help is greatly appreciated
Project)
The Wing Linux project is happy to announce our 0.3 release! We're geared towards the development of Linux and Android on the T-Mobile Wing, HTC Herald, and HTC Atlas series of phones. This release features a much easier CAB file based installation! Simply install to Windows Mobile and you're good to go! It's also got a bunch of other goodies, like Android 1.5, fully working touchscreen / keyboard, and a better scaled display for QVGA. Previous problems with white screens on boot have been fixed!
The project is being hosted on Sourceforge at:
http://wing-linux.sf.net
The files can be gotten at:
https://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=253356
Discussion for this and future releases can be had at:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=253356
See these threads for more info about the development leading up to this release:
Google Android for Herald and Tmobile Wing
Installable Linux Image for HTC Herald / T-Mobile Wing (UPDATED: Android Install)
Thanks to all who have helped in debugging, testing, and developing this release!
I have a question about the Virtual RAM. Does it just borrow some from the devices RAM, or does it use some of the space on the storage card as Virtual RAM?
Also does landscape work yet?
Still can't wait for Wifi and GSM! I love Android, but my contract doesn't expire for a while, so this would be awesome if it could be a viable replacement.
apreichner said:
I have a question about the Virtual RAM. Does it just borrow some from the devices RAM, or does it use some of the space on the storage card as Virtual RAM?
Also does landscape work yet?
Still can't wait for Wifi and GSM! I love Android, but my contract doesn't expire for a while, so this would be awesome if it could be a viable replacement.
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The virtual RAM uses space on the flash card, kinda like a Windows swap file. Landscape does not yet work, but it's on our list.
We'll probably have GSM working before wifi, so keep tuned for the development releases. We're hoping to get things complete enough to be a viable replacement for WM, but we've still got a ways to go.
- d
darkstar62 said:
The virtual RAM uses space on the flash card, kinda like a Windows swap file. Landscape does not yet work, but it's on our list.
We'll probably have GSM working before wifi, so keep tuned for the development releases. We're hoping to get things complete enough to be a viable replacement for WM, but we've still got a ways to go.
- d
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That's okay, I use GSM more than WiFi. I assume GPRS and EDGE fall into that category? Will they all come together at once, or will we get one before the other? I'm not much of a developer but I'm still trying to learn these things.
Since it's able to do use RAM from a flash card, in theory, couldn't we push our wings to 1gb of RAM on Android? Or is there some sort of limit?
I haven't been able to test it yet because I don't have a large enough flash drive.
What about overclocking? Are there any problems with overclocking through Windows Mobile and then running Android? Or has that not been really tested yet.
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That's okay, I use GSM more than WiFi. I assume GPRS and EDGE fall into that category? Will they all come together at once, or will we get one before the other? I'm not much of a developer but I'm still trying to learn these things.
Since it's able to do use RAM from a flash card, in theory, couldn't we push our wings to 1gb of RAM on Android? Or is there some sort of limit?
I haven't been able to test it yet because I don't have a large enough flash drive.
What about overclocking? Are there any problems with overclocking through Windows Mobile and then running Android? Or has that not been really tested yet.
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The 64mb of RAM from the phone is still the main RAM. The swap "file" being used to get more RAM isn't very fast, so it doesn't really make it faster, it just gives it the ability to RUN programs without them being closed due to lack of memory.
There would be no point in having that much memory. As it stands, my G1 has never ran out of memory and I use a lot of third part android apps.
As far as overclocking, I would imagine it wouldn't work the normal way, as WM is kicked out when android loads and along with it the CPU controlling driver that controls the CPU speed.
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The 64mb of RAM from the phone is still the main RAM. The swap "file" being used to get more RAM isn't very fast, so it doesn't really make it faster, it just gives it the ability to RUN programs without them being closed due to lack of memory.
There would be no point in having that much memory. As it stands, my G1 has never ran out of memory and I use a lot of third part android apps.
As far as overclocking, I would imagine it wouldn't work the normal way, as WM is kicked out when android loads and along with it the CPU controlling driver that controls the CPU speed.
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Oh so when you run Linux it isn't like a virtual machine running in Windows? It actually takes full control of the CPU and RAM. So it wouldn't make a difference if I used a more RAM/CPU hungry ROM like JustHome rather than JustStable Micro?
What about the SD card, does Android detect the rest of the data on your SD card?
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Oh so when you run Linux it isn't like a virtual machine running in Windows? It actually takes full control of the CPU and RAM. So it wouldn't make a difference if I used a more RAM/CPU hungry ROM like JustHome rather than JustStable Micro?
What about the SD card, does Android detect the rest of the data on your SD card?
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That's right, Linux takes over completely. We've gotten testing from people running a wide range of ROMs, and nobody has ever had a problem. So, use what you like
As for the SD card, Linux detects and can use the entirety of the card. We haven't set up Android to be able to do that yet, but it shouldn't be hard.
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That's right, Linux takes over completely. We've gotten testing from people running a wide range of ROMs, and nobody has ever had a problem. So, use what you like
As for the SD card, Linux detects and can use the entirety of the card. We haven't set up Android to be able to do that yet, but it shouldn't be hard.
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Just for curiosity sake... I realized that even if GSM worked, you couldn't really make a phone call without Sound/Microphone drivers. Does the Wizard team have anything that might help us here? I tried looking on the Sourceforge but it isn't listed under any Tasks.
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Just for curiosity sake... I realized that even if GSM worked, you couldn't really make a phone call without Sound/Microphone drivers. Does the Wizard team have anything that might help us here? I tried looking on the Sourceforge but it isn't listed under any Tasks.
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There is currently a sound driver but when it was originally ported to this build, it had a problem building. I'm not sure if darkstar has had time to look at it, again, yet.
Lol it seems like I'm the only one asking questions here. Has there been any testing of this using SDHC cards? Do they work properly? I'd like to get a 4 or 8gb card soon.
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Lol it seems like I'm the only one asking questions here. Has there been any testing of this using SDHC cards? Do they work properly? I'd like to get a 4 or 8gb card soon.
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Yes, it works fine with my 8GB SDHC. I am not feeling the idea that Android completely takes over my Windows Mobile. It is still too new at this point for me. Still, it's a really great job by the author. I been skimming through the chronicle thread for months and it has come a long way. From having to install Linux to a simple cab must be a lot of work. I hope this will lead somewhere great in the future. Best of luck.
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Lol it seems like I'm the only one asking questions here. Has there been any testing of this using SDHC cards? Do they work properly? I'd like to get a 4 or 8gb card soon.
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I run all this stuff on a 16gb card, so I'd say no problems at all.
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Alright, sounds good, thanks! Can't wait to give it a try!
very good work. Big thx to all the people involved in the deveolpment.
I thougt android would never run on the Herald but you proof me wrong.
Awesome stuff darkstar and ivan! It works very well, and picks up my lcd settings properly (I used to get a ghost image with the earlier kernel). Anyhow, I did notice a bit of flickering in the screen around the top-edge. Not sure what that is.
Quick question: I remember you saying dark, that it takes you almost a day each time to compile the kernel. Would it make a difference if we used a multi-core machine? Perhaps ssh to a very powerful server and build everything there?
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Awesome stuff darkstar and ivan! It works very well, and picks up my lcd settings properly (I used to get a ghost image with the earlier kernel). Anyhow, I did notice a bit of flickering in the screen around the top-edge. Not sure what that is.
Quick question: I remember you saying dark, that it takes you almost a day each time to compile the kernel. Would it make a difference if we used a multi-core machine? Perhaps ssh to a very powerful server and build everything there?
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A multi-core machine I think could help...not sure how parallelizable the build is. It isn't the kernel that takes that long, it's the whole Android/Angstrom image. The kernel itself from start to finish takes about 10 minutes. 1 minute for incremental builds.
The server I'm using is a Celeron D 3.33gHz single-core originally designed to be a DVR/home entertainment system. Having a beefier processor would definitely help. Do you have something in mind?
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And I haven't done any of the coding. ^_^
It's all darkstar.
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A multi-core machine I think could help...not sure how parallelizable the build is. It isn't the kernel that takes that long, it's the whole Android/Angstrom image. The kernel itself from start to finish takes about 10 minutes. 1 minute for incremental builds.
The server I'm using is a Celeron D 3.33gHz single-core originally designed to be a DVR/home entertainment system. Having a beefier processor would definitely help. Do you have something in mind?
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I'm not sure if I could be of any help... I have some experience with Linux, unfortunately none with rebuilding kernels. My computers a Intel Core2Quad 2.5ghz 4gb RAM.
PM me if you want, I might need a crash course in it first though
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I'm not sure if I could be of any help... I have some experience with Linux, unfortunately none with rebuilding kernels. My computers a Intel Core2Quad 2.5ghz 4gb RAM.
PM me if you want, I might need a crash course in it first though
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It's not too hard to get into it. The wiki has instructions for downloading and building from source. Haven't tested them though, so you'd be a good guinee pig for that, if you're interested.
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It's not too hard to get into it. The wiki has instructions for downloading and building from source. Haven't tested them though, so you'd be a good guinee pig for that, if you're interested.
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Why not? I'll give it a try. Unfortunately I still have no phone to test it on, so someone else would have to do that. I assume I'll need to install Linux on my PC of course?
Also where on the wiki can I find this? I can't seem to locate the instructions.
**Let me begin by saying that, as a newcomer to the forum, I apologize of this has been posted in the wrong place. I considered posting it in various HTC Fuze specific or Android subforums, but decided on this one as it is "(Android) Software...General". If there's a problem, please notify me and move this thread accordingly. I have no intention of creating problems.**
I've been doing a great deal of experimenting with Android on my Fuze, and (after trying XDAndroid 2.0.1) am trying to get 1.6 (Donut) working.
I've been using the (1.6) build on connect-utb.com. My phone is an HTC Fuze, or a Raphael 110. Apparently, it (the build) was last made/modified on 11/22/09, and (quoting from the download/version description):
"This Android package is based on the Current phhusson/leobaillard's release from 22.11.2009."
The problem I'm having is that, among other things, 1.6 seems to be VERY unstable.
A program (google maps/voice/android keyboard/marketplace/etc...) seems to crash every minute. I've become rather exasperated with it, and, after multiple manual restarts and re-installations, I've come to the oasis of mobile phone knowledge asking for assistance.
I'm confused (regarding 1.6), as this is supposedly the more stable build. I shied away from XDAndroid 2.0.1 due to the small bits of UI lag I was experiencing. 1.6 attracted me due to the claim that it's much faster (as well as having a couple more features working).
Can somebody give me some advice in regards to whether I might be doing something wrong? I'm sure I'm using the correct startup.txt, and don't quite know what the problem could be.
Granted, if somebody also has ways of optimizing XDAndroid 2.0.1, or providing an optimized build, I'd welcome that alternative.
In short, I'm looking for an Android build that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110.
Thank you in advance.
Get the latest builds from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751
Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.
When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?
I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.
Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?
Thanks again.
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Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.
When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?
I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.
Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?
Thanks again.
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try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise
some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster
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try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise
some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster
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Would that also include every build thereafter, or just the one from February 22nd?? I downloaded and am using the March 1st build in the hopes that, as it's the most up to date, it will be the 'best'.
Also, I saw something about enabling 3D in Windows Mobile (before launching Haret, I assume). It said you could do this by launching TouchFlo3D.
I booted back into WinMo, launched TF3D, and am now going to see if it's any faster.
Thank you both for your help so far.
You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.
The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.
My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.
If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.
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You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.
The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.
My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.
If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this.
Since my last post, I have indeed given Eclair a second chance, and find it performing a bit better than I remember. Granted, I'm using the 'standard' home screen, not the Home++ one (if that makes any difference).
Also, thanks for clarifying that it's the graphics drivers that are hindering performance. That gives me hope, seeing as it's (more or less) a software issue that can, and hopefully will be, fixed.
While I would love to see the OS become faster one my phone, right now my biggest issue lies in battery life. Past that, it's camera capability, and then GPS. I'm also fiddling with a 3g/data issue, but I'm sure I'll work that out. I have never used bluetooth for the years that I've owned a cell phone, so I'm not too worried about that.
Honestly, though, I've been using Eclair for the past few days with very few reboots. I've never has any major crashes (usually only one when I boot into android and it says the latin keyboard process has crashed), and thus haven't had to reboot out of "necessity."
In short, I have given it a second chance, and am very thankful for doing so.
I wouldn't worry too much about battery life, GPS and the camera as they're the most commonly asked about things on the thread. The developers are well aware of how many users want these working, and I'm sure that if the project continues to be updated, these things (particuarly battery life) will be prioritised.
I asked svetius to open a board for Raphael Android Development, and he has very kindly done so. In the future, you'll probably get more replies here.
This is very, very much appreciated.
Thanks for your time, as well as the link (and your efforts in regards to the creation of that board).
does anyone have a good startup.txt file for their raphael
i need one because my raph has android preformance issues.
thanks
Hi I was just wanting some conformation that i am not the only person who finds windows mobile 6.5 on the HTC HD2 an almost un usable experience.
It crashes so many times in a day, you try to unlock it by sliding the unlock tab and it get to the edge and does nothing, you can’t press any button apart from the off button again and then you have start the whole thing again and if your lucky... after 5 attempts it works or you have to reset!
The typing in messages and on most other programs is so slow it cant keep up, it hangs and stalls and looses most of the spaces and jumps around the txt typing in where ever it wants.
Its incapable to switch from the home screen to the programs screen without stalling and hanging around, and the general user experience of all the user input is slow!
Forgive me if this is covered ground for everyone but for me it’s the most powerful phone on the market and it’s still useless!?
Does anyone have and tips? or any other rants about it?
you can always flash it
Dude just flash a custom ROM on there, what phone do you have and what network?
Before flashing, try doing a hard-reset (you'll have to do that anyway if you are going to flash). See if that solves the problem. Could well be that it is some prog or a left-over of some prog that is screwing things up. I still have the shipped ROM on-board and it runs silky smooth, until I try to be too clever, but then it's my fault
Good luck!
im on a HD2 and looking at puting android on it, but waiting for a new memory card later this week.
what other roms can i flash to it? im on o2...?
but my point was rarther why the hell can microsoft get away wit hreleasing stuff that doesent work still but help is great!
its nothing to do with microsoft, MS release software to a developer who then fits it in to a handset, that process need drivers and a much of work, its not like Windows on a desktop where you can simply update a driver or two with an exe.
read all of the work here regarding flashing, Update to a new ROM, i use Energy, make sure you do it correctly, and it will fly, i have Energys latest and its great, no crashes, good bat, very fast, there is nothing id like to change...well the HSDPA is crap but that might just be my area.
Speaking of Android, i have a copy running from my SD and removing the obvious issues with it just now and assuming it will be fixed by the time it becomes flashable Android brigs nothing new, in my opinion its the same as WM6.5.x with sence 2.5 the only advantage that i can see is the app store
ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
i HATE wm with a passion! get rid of it lol and put android on it!
WM is just fine for me.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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Yeah, as was said before, it's not necessarily MS's fault the rom sucks. First, HTC effs everything up and then the carrier drops the final turds in the mix. Look for OMarket-it has many more apps than marketplace, and they're all free. There's a lot of junk, but there's very good stuff there, too.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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In a manor of speak yes HTC are to blame for most of the issues we have on the devices, first and formost is the fact that HTC never licenced the graphics drivers from QC, second MS provide a blank slate that HTC fills in, lets assume for a second that its all up to MS and in so asuming every WM device ever made is also MS fault, then why is it that some devices work fantastic? the reason is because the manufacture and finally the networks stick their greedy paws on it and bodge it, this is exactly why windows phone 7 is so locked down, MS know for well that the manufactures and networks screw their image so much with WM that they have reduced their ability to do so.
but anyway you will believe what you want, if you look at a ROM with a preconception that its going to be crap then you will only ever see a crap ROM so you may as well give up now.
as for the app store vs the WM market place, your choice of words is intresting.
the marketplace actually has quite a few pieces of decent software, you know in the £20+ range, the app store has shed loads of....well, crap really, but there is much more to choose from and you are more likely to find something thats worth getting so again its down to choice, quality / quantity to suite your needs argument again.
installing android is easy if you already have HSPL 2 or 3 installed. seriously worth reading the guides to make sure you have the correct versions of radio and ROM installed!!
So flash the latest radio, and one of the recomended ROMs, ive used energy without issue, once you done that its just a matter of downloading a build of android, that usually containes everything to give things a quick bash, if you fancy it, you can then do some updating, but its your call, if your using cooked ROMs then as long as you have a recent ROM your most of the way there.
ive tried a newer android build for a couple of days and again, assuming all the bugs are to go and speed is improved, i still dont see a huge difference, its perhaps a bit more refreshing, but its also a bit more limited, ill continue to test it out
Sorry it took me so long to get back but thanks for all of this im now happily running froyo 2.1 on the hd2 now looking for an updated cooked rom because of the google update!
yeah I know