I've used everything from adw to pro. Is there a end all winner when it comes to speed ?
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I've used everything from adw to pro. Is there a end all winner when it comes to speed ?
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I love zeam launcher pretty fast and lightweight.
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I've tried most of them and I always keep on going back to LauncherPro. The application drawer is the smoothest of the bunch.
Adw ex is by far the best launcher if you get the settings right its as smooth and fast as ios on the iphone4.
I've bought, and had Launcher Pro. I liked it, but once I tried out GO Launcher, I haven't been back since.
I always go back to Launcher pro its great. I like adw ex but I wish they had the names of the transition effects. it'll make it easier to pick which one you want to use. I would use Go Launcher it smooth and its FREE, but I'm not crazy about the resizing icons or my dock when I pick a dock or an icon for the dock. It'll come out blurry and fuzzy out of focus.
But Go Launcher is great and its always improving did I mentioned its FREE. Its a tough decision but for a home replacement with all the features I would pick Go Launcher.
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I love zeam launcher pretty fast and lightweight.
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THIS.
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i have a low end device (about 400 mhz cpu) and launcher pro had the smoothest transitions than all the other launchers
Zeam is the fastest for me, then comes GO Launcher. I use ADW EX tho, it has more customization than the others, but its much faster than Launcher Pro. (For me that is)
I've also tried HeLauncher, its pretty snappy. It also has a feature that has a lot of docks. From Sense, to Gingerbread, to some of the custom Sense docks on XDA.
for me, tag home is light weight and fast, but there's little you can do to its drawer or windows.
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I was using launcher pro but after running ADW EX on my wifes Eris I have switched to that for about the last week. I don't see any drop in performance and the customization is amazing compared to LP. From themes to gestures and animations, the icon resizing is great as well. If you want something no frills you can always try Launcher 7 as well. It emulates the launcher from windows phone 7. It all comes down to preference really,i actually have 4 or 5 launchers on my phone that I keep just to show people differences first hand when they are choosing for their phones.
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ADW EX.. I bought it and never looked back. it is very customizable and easy to work with plus it is blazing fast!
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ADW EX.. I bought it and never looked back. it is very customizable and easy to work with plus it is blazing fast!
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I used Adw ex for quite a while, but came back to launcher people in the end
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We could all sit here and tell you what our fav launcher is and why but it would not do much good. The speed will very depending on many things. Rom, Background apps, Device, Available mem, the list goes on and on. Best bet is to try them each out and find the fastest one for you on your device
Go launcher for me... Used all 3 for sometime and Go launcher have best of both awd and launcher pro world...
As nobody can ever agree which is faster i'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all about the same!
I tried ADW ex, GO ex and some others. I don't know why, but the only launcher with real fluid animations is LauncherPro.
I also like it's widgets.
Waiting for the completely rewritten LP....
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In terms of the "feel" of the launcher, LP has been for me, hands down the smoothest and best feeling launcher (I've tried everything there is to try I think). In terms of plain speed, probably Zeam.
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Go Launcher will be my preference
I just switched to using Go Launcher EX from using Launcher Pro Plus and I think Go is much faster and responsive. However, that's all subject to change after the LPP rewrite is completed.
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I have used the 4 main launchers on my G2X and just wanted to share my findings. I ran each launcher for 24 hours and the fallowing are my opinions.
-ADW Ex was my favorite launcher and always has been. I love the wide selection of skins available for it along with the wide array of options the launcher has. Unfortunately it was the laggiest one on the G2X. I wouldn't really call it laggy but it was noticibly choppy and wasn't as smooth as the others. These findings were odd since it ran very smooth on my Vibrant and Nexus One. Maybe it will be fixed with a update?
UPDATE**** ADW just released a update. I contacted the DEV and he said as of last night ADW is now optimized for duel core CPUs and boy does it show. ADW just took the crown from LP in terms of speed and smoothness. Using ADW actually makes the entire device faster from browsing the web to opening apps. I don't get it but it does. ADW is the clear winner after releasing the latest update last night. Try it out and let me know what you think.
-Go Launcher Ex ran a little better than ADW but it was still choppy in some areas. This was my second favorite Launcher since it has nice features and ran very smooth on my previous devices. It's not unusable but I am very picky about my launchers running smooth. I will try it again after it gets updated.
-Zeam ran very smooth but unfortunately it doesn't have as many options and features as the other .available launchers. Those of you who are minimalist will love this launcher on the G2X since it ran super smooth. Those of you who are looking for more features should stay away.
-Launcher Pro used to be my least favorite launcher but not because it had things wrong with it but because it was the most popular. I like being a little different and don't always like doing what everyone else is doing. That being said, this launcher ran buttery smooth and hasn't lagged once since I have been using it. It has almost as many options and features as ADW and Go Launcher but let's be honest. I would rather have a smooth running launcher than a choppy one with a lot of features. Those of you who think ADW or Go Launcher is running smooth needs to try Launcher pro because you probably won't notice the choppiness until you have experienced the buttery smoothness of Launcher Pro. I don't know why LP runs more smooth than the others but the only thing I can think of is that it's optimized for duel core CPU's. Surprisingly Launcher Pro runs even smoother than the stock launcher.
LP here. You speak the truth, though I don't bother with other launchers.
LPPlus. The Widgets are amazing and the scrolling dockbar is a must.
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I have tried them all and will never leave launcher pro plus.
It is always the smoothest and most stable for me.
Adw ex for me. I also liked the smoothness of launcher pro, but daily I would get more than 1 force close on it. Adw has always been solid, reliable, customizeable and themeable. It also was the first to have the transition animations. Tried go launcher which is also solid but adw trumps it.
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Have tried adw ex and launcher pro. Decided to stick with launcher pro since it was so smooth on the eagleblood rom.
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Been using adw ex but just tried lp and it is buttery smooth. Really digging the sliding dock..gonna stick with it for awhile..what's different in the paid version?
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Zeam is the fastest.. Not the best eye candy but it blazes.
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Been using adw ex but just tried lp and it is buttery smooth. Really digging the sliding dock..gonna stick with it for awhile..what's different in the paid version?
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The paid version has some cool Widgets with it. I personally don't use them but a lot do.
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Zeam is the fastest.. Not the best eye candy but it blazes.
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In my testing Zeam and LP were both the quickest but LP just felt smoother. Plus LP has a lot more features.
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Been using adw ex but just tried lp and it is buttery smooth. Really digging the sliding dock..gonna stick with it for awhile..what's different in the paid version?
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On the paid version you can resize and reposition widgets...don't know if any other difference is there.
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Thanks for the replies. I also notice that lp doesn't use as much memory as adw...
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I was enjoying adw, but the scrolling in the app tray was choppy. It was choppy in launcher pro too until I switched it to the 3d mode and then BAM! Butter. Launcher pro works the best for me too on this phone.
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In my testing Zeam and LP were both the quickest but LP just felt smoother. Plus LP has a lot more features.
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Just checked lpro and I agree with you now..its smooth.
Been using ADW EX since my last device (HD2) and haven't noticed any real lag...maybe a bit in the APP drawer. I do own LPP but never installed it on the G2X because of the registration hassle (yes, I am to lazy to re-request my registration number). Haven't used it in about six months, but it seems to be getting lot's of praise. Maybe I'll give it another go...
Nothing will overcome stock. smoothest and fastest
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Nothing will overcome stock. smoothest and fastest
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And the most restrictive.
Eh...to each his own...
Thanks for this thread. I'm using LP on my Samsung Indulge now. I've been real happy with it. I'm glad to hear it works well on the G2X. Like Jefferynew23 says, the scrolling dockbar (with custom icons) is sweet! Everything I need can be put down there ready to run.
LP plus a Tad smoother IMO.
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Been using launcher pro and am very satisfied with its performance.
Hello my SGS4G community,
I would like to know everyone's opinion on which is the best launcher for our SGS4g right now?? Right now I have Launcher Pro, which is great, very customizable. However, lately it has been crashing or restarting on its own. Would like to know if there is anything in market as good or close to launcher pro. Perhaps smoother??
thanks guys
I like ADW. I never had a problem with it and very customised.
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I would have to say ADW as well. I have been using it for well over a year. I have tried LP, Open Home, Go Launcher and even SPB Shell 3D and I find ADW Launcher EX to be the best, but that is just my opinion.
i use Launcher Pro and ADW2 Beta
Ive been using GoLauncher, havent had any problems, seems to do much of what launcherpro did, including autorotate of home screen. but i may have to check out this ADW.....curiosity, ya know.
+1 on go launcher. Very customizable. Haven't tried many others, but don't really feel the need to. Go launcher has just about everything you might want.
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Another vote for ADW; it's been great for me, and fairly customizable.
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I've tried most, luncher pro is my favorite!!
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Zeam Launcher offers a scrollable dock and gesture commands to open app drawer view notifications toggle full screen view all screens open dialer and more!! I love it.
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I absolutely love zeam launcher. Small, fast, and easy to use. The action bindings make things so much easier. But if you want something jam packed with features, I would definitely agree with go launcher. Way too many features. Lol.
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Gingerbread launcher is GRRREAT!
Thank you guys for all your insights. I must say Go launcher is a really sick launcher that I've tried besides Launcher Pro. It doesn't have the 3d app drawer like LP and Adw does, which sucks, but it has some really cool animations effects and is really smooth.
if you're rooted then you can try TouchWiz 4.5
ADW... Like a boss
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I would have to say ADW as well. I have been using it for well over a year. I have tried LP, Open Home, Go Launcher and even SPB Shell 3D and I find ADW Launcher EX to be the best, but that is just my opinion.
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So I took your advice and got the ADW Launcher EX and it is everything I wanted. I just wanted the cube transition and I got everything else for free!
I love adw ex, so customizable, many transitions, and the gestures of swiping are awesome I dont have a button for my app drawer I just swipe up on my screen and my app drawer transitions up
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I have spb 3d and i have to say it is pretty sick
I like Launcher Pro, ADW, and Go Launcher.
ICBINB seems to run on ADW the best for me, but Go launcher feels a bit snapper. Only things that turn me off about it are the previews and the orange selecting box.
Does anyone know how to get Sense-like previews on Go Launcher?
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I like Launcher Pro, ADW, and Go Launcher.
ICBINB seems to run on ADW the best for me, but Go launcher feels a bit snapper. Only things that turn me off about it are the previews and the orange selecting box.
Does anyone know how to get Sense-like previews on Go Launcher?
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I would have to agree about Go launcher's previews and the orange selecting box. It would be nice if we were able to customize that option like you can in Launcher Pro.
Gingerbread launcher is pretty good
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Gingerbread launcher is pretty good
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+ 1 running gingerbread with gingerbread launcher is pretty sweet
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Now that I finally got my G2X updated to GB I was wondering what alternate launchers, if any, people are using and how they like them. The stock launcher is nice but lacks customization features such as resizable widgets, changing icons layouts, removing homescreens, etc.
Go launcher
I can't say enough good things about Weapon 2.3 ROM and it's included TouchWiz launcher from Samsung.
If you are running factory GB on your G2x I can assure you The Weapon ROM is every bit as stable as stock if not better, with way better battery life and a bunch of other cool gee whiz features.
LauncherPro. I've been using since May 2010.
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Launcher Pro - the widgets can't be beat, especially now with theme and icon pack support. At times I try another launcher, but I always come back to launcher pro for the widgets.
I've yet to find people, bookmarks, and friends widget comparable to launcher pro except sense ui. There are others that mimick the functionality, but they usually slow down the device quite a bit. Launcher Pro remains fast.
I think LP has the best ALL Around setup. The built in Widgets are great and backup/restore will save passwords so you don't always have to login again to Twitter and Facebook.
Unfortunately the developer has been ignoring it for some time and is starting to lack some features. While it JUST got theme support, it doesn't seem to be moving very fast. Very limited. Plus they don't have "whole" theme support so icons and widget themes are separate.
I'm using LP now but going back and forth to Go Launcher. Go Launcher has downloadable widgets that are comparable and cool in their own way. Also "Colorize Widgets" also make a good LP Widget Replacement.
So the 3 main ones are ADW EX, Go Launcher EX, and Launcher Pro.
There are other weird ones like Samsung TouchWiz, LG Launcher, Sony Xperia Launcher, etc.
Honestly just find one that works they way you want. I'm currently using ADW EX on my Asus Transformer because it recently added much needed support and features for tablets (which the others lack). On the G2x either one of the 3.
go launcher.. also has widgets.
but you can add to that with colorize widgets. an awesome pack made by an xda user.
the combination is unbeatable in my opionion.
I've grown quite fond of ADW, myself. Though, I haven't tried LP.
I also used a launcher called Crazy Home, awhile back. On top of having extra home screens, it gives you up to 3 desktops...each with 5 home screens. So, if you REALLY like home screens, you can have up to 15 lol. It also allows you to hide apps in your app drawer. I ended up going with ADW, because I could load my own icons, and use them...CH was a bit more limited.
I'm a huge fan of Zeam. I used it on my old HTC Magic because it was fast fast fast on the old hardware, and I continue to use it on my G2x.
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I can't say enough good things about Weapon 2.3 ROM and it's included TouchWiz launcher from Samsung.
If you are running factory GB on your G2x I can assure you The Weapon ROM is every bit as stable as stock if not better, with way better battery life and a bunch of other cool gee whiz features.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to be trying my first ROM out and that's what I'm leaning towards right now.
To the OP, I love Launcher Pro. So much to customize.
My vote goes for ADW Launcher EX for sheer speed.
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I like LP but now I'm using go launcher, it has so many themes to play with!
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+1 for go launcher.
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I'm a huge fan of Zeam. I used it on my old HTC Magic because it was fast fast fast on the old hardware, and I continue to use it on my G2x.
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Zeam rocks my socks. I use one home screen, a couple widgets and gestures to open my app drawer and notifications. Super fast and simple.
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I'll second the TouchWiz launcher. I'm using it standalone with Miui. It looks awesome. I've been a ADW guy since my G1 days and continued using it with the Nexus One and G2X, but I gave TW a try a few weeks ago and haven't looked back.
By far the best is launcher pro
Zeam
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I never understood the hype for launcher pro. ADW or GO are amazing though.
I use ADW EX.
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So recently I have have been looking at these launchers. I mainly use go launcher, but I want to hear community feedback on each. I need a launcher that is very light on RAM (G2X has 512 mb ram, 1/4 is dedicated to gpu). So which one do you use and why?
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Just like you I'm using Go Launcher because of its smoothness and because you can customize it as you wish. I've also used ADW and LauncherPro before but in my opinion Go Launcher feels smoother. I don't really know about how much RAM they use. Guess I didn't really paid a lot of attention to it
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So recently I have have been looking at these launchers. I mainly use go launcher, but I want to hear community feedback on each. I need a launcher that is very light on RAM (G2X has 512 mb ram, 1/4 is dedicated to gpu). So which one do you use and why?
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I use go because adw crashes every time I type a text on my phone. But used to use adw on my old phone.
I tested ram use and on my 512mb phone adw used about five mb more ram than go but both are as smooth as each other.
You didn't mention it but if your choice is purely ram use based zeam launcher might be worth a look as it used an average ten mb less ram than adw or go and is still pretty customisable.
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I would stick with go launcher. I've had experience with a number of launchers and it seems to fair as the best of them. It is smooth, light, and extremely customizable. Adw ha too many mall issues for me.
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I've got all three, launcher pro plus, adw ex, and go launcher ex.
Adw is smoother, but I use go due to its useful widgets.
It's smooth and has great dev behind it who updates regular. Best of all it's free.
Both will serve you well if you don't need the widgets that go provide then use adw.
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I personally prefer GO to ADW Launcher ... 1000 times ...
It is much more customizable and complete! then we can add GO Locker, GO, GO SMS Contact with different themes to choose from a wide choice! so is all complete with launcher GO!
I recommend and use it forever!
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Go Launcher is the way to go in my opinion.
But it really is all about preference. I recommend trying them both regardless of what people use.
I have at one point or another liked both of them but Go Launcher stole me away with the calendar widget.
It's only up to you. Go Launcher provides much more ''GO'' widgets but your phone will look like someone's else. If you are skilled in graphics or photoshop editing, I recommend ADW Ex where you can literally make everything on your own. I have been using ADW Ex for a couple of months and it's very smooth, stable and like I said fully customizable.
I have been using Go Launcher EX on my rooted Nook Tablet and it seems to work quite well; although the task manager widget does occasionally crash. I have not yet seen anyone respond to the question: How does RAM usage of Go Launcher compare to that of ADW. Has anyone done this comparison and care to share with the group? For some reason I have not been able to get ADW to install properly on my NT yet (need a little more time).
ADW issue on Nook Tablet
Disregard - Like TabletGeek, I too rooted my Nook Tablet but with ADW as the launcher. It works almost perfectly.. The only issue I have is on boot up or navigating to the home screen, I get a "Problem Loading Widget" error. If you go to the all apps screen, it works fine. I've looked all over for a cause but can't find anything that might be the issue so I'm wondering if jumping over to Go is worth it. I'm also not sure how to get from a rooted NT with ADW to load with Go. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!
Adw is smoother, looks clean (icon graphics) runs great
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I usually use go launcher and i think its the best launcher for android.
Maybe in the future other launcher will be best, who knows?
GO, because of all the GO widgets and far more customizable
go launcher for its sheer range of skins and apps
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So recently I have have been looking at these launchers. I mainly use go launcher, but I want to hear community feedback on each. I need a launcher that is very light on RAM (G2X has 512 mb ram, 1/4 is dedicated to gpu). So which one do you use and why?
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adw is better ..i love york's black theme ..i recommend adw launcher..
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adw is better ..i love york's black theme ..i recommend adw launcher..
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Finally someone that's like adw better haha I was lonely on this thread
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GO LAUNCHER for sure... ADW restarts when i press home key while playing a game or while browsing...comparatively go launcher has no such problems... also would recommend SPB shell 3d (paid app**) ... having a basic android phone made me realize many things... \m/
I like both, but I use adw. It has no problems on my fascinate.
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in a video on xda tv the dev there did not prefer go launcher that much
but i guess its just about the themes and anyway i would prefer adw over go launcher since i ve been using it (as it comes default with cm)
I'm looking for a free launcher for my rooted Play, I'm currently using 360Launcher.
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I'm looking for a free launcher for my rooted Play, I'm currently using 360Launcher.
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I have tried ADW, LauncherPro (used for 6 months) and finally used GO Launcher. I have been using GO exclusively for over a year now and love it. Its free and has a ton of add-ons and themes and the GO Team is constantly making updates and improvements. I think there has been like 3 updates just this week alone. Anyway my vote goes to GO Launcher. I use the ICS theme and its pretty sweet, and GO has a ton of performance options.
Definitely Go Launcher
I find GO Launcher to be very sluggish and slow, using FTL or Zeam myself for the speed increase.
I doubt GO Launcher can be sluggish on an Xperia Play WodgeFTW...
It's got decent RAM and a good processor.
I was always a huge fan of Go Launcher but I got sick of it recently (it occasionally failed to load my widgets after a reboot) and wanted a change.
I'm currently using Nemus Launcher and love it. It has a scrollable dock bar, can resize widgets and is lightweight and silky smooth. I don't miss Go at all.
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I doubt GO Launcher can be sluggish on an Xperia Play WodgeFTW...
It's got decent RAM and a good processor.
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GoLauncher uses almost 30mb for me -_-
It's pretty smooth but not smooth as LauncherPro
ssLauncher for me
Same, I got the pro versions of every launcher (free of course) but the I got go launcher and never looked back
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Im trying to pick one too, GOLauncher seems best so far, now that I see I can be rid of those annoying + signs in the dock. Im using it alongside DesktopVisualizeR to make that whole, magazine page tile look.
I use to use go launcher until I realized how much memory it uses. I swithched to sslauncher which does a lot and uses low memory resources. its really quick too
I use to use GOlauncher, and it was ok, then i switched to ADW Launcher Pro (PAID) and i love it! I am about to try out ssLauncher though its suppose to be 100 times more customizable.
stock launcher..
Thanks guys ^^
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I use zeam and sslauncher, cause they seem to be the lightest ones. The latter is far more customizable, but zeam has gestures. I love the stock look though.. I would've kept it if you hadn't to go deep to reduce the number of screens to 1.
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I doubt GO Launcher can be sluggish on an Xperia Play WodgeFTW...
It's got decent RAM and a good processor.
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Actually, I find go launcher needs to be restarted every few hours or so for unless I'm running cm7. The stock roms don't seem to be able to run it well. Also, my ZTE Blade which I bought for £89 off contract has more ram (512mb vs 400mb on the play) was able to run it considerably smoother without needing it to be restarted, and it's really mystifying why Sony decided not to have 1gb in there to begin with.
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I've never decided on a specific launcher, I just can't get used to one before moving to another... I'm using HeLauncher2 right now, but I'm trying to get the Xperia S Launcher on my R800x, it says Missing Shared Library whenever I try to install it though.
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LOL.. I feel the same bro. I had tried many launchers, but always miss the stock one.
But if i have to choose alternative launcher which is the best, so i never doubt, go launcher is the one...
Launcher 7 for me.
I love the style of Windows phone.
All the tile options allow me to express myself.
My phone is like rainbow at the moment and it is a joy to use.
I've tried ADW, GO, and several others, and I found one that is lightweight and extremely customizable. It's called ZEAM launcher. try it out, it's not even a half a megabyte, if I remember correctly.