I just picked up a lightly used Telus TP2
HardSPL, SimUnlock, 2.32.00WU radio, and recent Energy Rom installed
When I put an active sim from a PC mobile (bell reseller) and have phone set to gsm only mode, phone can only see Rogers network
PC mobile (bell) sim package says phone needs to support UMTS/HSPA on 850mhz and 1900mhz
On HTC site the tech specs for the Telus phone show
1X EVDO REV A 800/1900MHz, HSPA 2100MHz, GSM/ GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
So did I make a mistake by buying this phone, I do not want to activate with Telus CDMA, I want to use this phone with a Bell SIM.
I'm really hoping there is just some setting somewhere that I didn't know to set.
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Hi,
In Australia we have two versions of the HTC Touch Pro 2:
T7373 (works on 3g networks 900/2100); and
T7381 (works on 3g networks 850/2100).
Both phones are GSM & 3G phones. Both phones take SIM cards. One is designed for Telstra (an operator that uses 3G 850 Mhz network) and the other is designed for the other carriers (Vodafone, Optus etc.) who use 3G 2100 Mhz network.
I am wanting to flash a T7381 model to get rid of the carrier firmware. I am guessing that I can't flash with the ROM file from "Flashing your First GSM Rhodium Rom (For Noobs) ".
Is there a flash file for the T7381 version?
The reason why I want to flash is because the carrier Telstra has designed their ROM to not allow the Internet settings to be changed to a different carriers settings.
If you are sure what you have is a GSM phone, then you are asking in the wrong forum. Go over to Rhodium GSM forum, download HardSPL from there, and then flash to any ROM you like.
I have the same question.
You have described the problem perfectly, just need a perfect answer. Anyone?
I can answer the question in the thread subject...
CDMA phones come from CDMA carriers, who don't require SIM cards in their phones, so you can call people without the SIM card. These carriers/phones are usually Verizon/Sprint/Telus. These phones use a different kind of technology.
WCDMA is just 3G. I have a T-Mobile USA (GSM) Rhodium. Under Comm Manager, I can set my Network Type (Band) as either "GSM" (2G/EDGE) or "WCDMA" (3G/UMTS).
I checked the specs on pdadb.net for my beloved HTC Hermes 200 (3.54.255.3 ROM) and it says that it works on the HSDPA networks. But when I contacted the Bell reseller to confirm, they asked me for my IMEI, and then told me that it wasn't fast enough to run on the Bell HSDA network.
I'm suspicious. Can anyone corroborate that Hermes will/won't work on HSDA? I don't need data, only voice and text, as I access net thru 802.11 wifi.
That would depend on what version of the Hermes you have. GSMArena says that there is an American version:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_tytn-1659.php
that has the 850/1900mhz radio that you'd need to get GSM HSPA in Canada. Bell and Telus, unlike Rogers' GSM network, only has HSPA so even the voice and text is through 3G network and you'll need a phone that has that radio.
trowakage said:
That would depend on what version of the Hermes you have. GSMArena says that there is an American version:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_tytn-1659.php
that has the 850/1900mhz radio that you'd need to get GSM HSPA in Canada. Bell and Telus, unlike Rogers' GSM network, only has HSPA so even the voice and text is through 3G network and you'll need a phone that has that radio.
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and mine has 850/1900 -- guess I'm off to Bell store to test their hspa sim card....thanks!
Just a quick update on this, tested with a SIM card on Bell HSDA and the hermes200 worked.
Hello,
I am a noob at this so please bear with me.
I have a Telus TP2 and I have unlocked it using the software provided by Olipro.
My objective is to switch my network over to Telus' new UMTS network, using one of their sim cards. Right now it is functioning on Telus' CDMA network.
My question is: Do I need to flash a new Radio to accomplish this? My phone still has the 2.05.00 WV radio on it now. I just need to know if I need to go get a WU radio in order to use Telus' new network.
Thanks in advance.
Hedake said:
Hello,
I am a noob at this so please bear with me.
I have a Telus TP2 and I have unlocked it using the software provided by Olipro.
My objective is to switch my network over to Telus' new UMTS network, using one of their sim cards. Right now it is functioning on Telus' CDMA network.
My question is: Do I need to flash a new Radio to accomplish this? My phone still has the 2.05.00 WV radio on it now. I just need to know if I need to go get a WU radio in order to use Telus' new network.
Thanks in advance.
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The Telus TP2 supports UMTS 2100.
Telus uses UMTS 850/1900 for its 3G network.
In order to get the TP2 running on the UMTS network you'll want to grab a ATT GSM variant from the states and unlock that.
IIRC, Telus is jumping straight to WCDMA/UMTS so it won't be supporting the standard GSM bands. If that's the case, then your Telus TP2 variant won't have anything to lock onto when it is in "GSM Mode."
Ah dang, I guess I didn't really need to unlock the sim on my phone then because it won't work on Telus' UMTS network...
Oh well, if I decide to go back to Rogers I believe that the Telus TP2 will operate on their GSM network.
Follow up question:
Do I need to get an unlocked Radio to use the Telus TP2 on Rogers' GSM network or will the 2.05.00WV one that I have on now work?
yes, you'll need a WU unlocked radio in order to access GSM radios in the states, and canada as well, i believe.
You can find the link here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578659
Hedake said:
Ah dang, I guess I didn't really need to unlock the sim on my phone then because it won't work on Telus' UMTS network...
Oh well, if I decide to go back to Rogers I believe that the Telus TP2 will operate on their GSM network.
Follow up question:
Do I need to get an unlocked Radio to use the Telus TP2 on Rogers' GSM network or will the 2.05.00WV one that I have on now work?
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It depends on the specific radio firmware in the device.
If it is like the Sprint TP2, then yes, you would need a separate radio. Sprint does not SIM lock its TP2, however it ships them with crippled radio software which has the 850/1900 GSM bands disabled so that it won't work with US GSM carriers (it simply doesn't see the network).
If it is like the Verizon TP2, then no, you would not need a separate radio, though you would need a SIM unlock. Verizon doesn't cripple the radio software in its TP2. It simply uses a traditional SIM lock.
I've heard that the Telus TP2 is like the Sprint model, but I've not seen one to verify.
If you're not sure, then you can always flash the unlocked radio (assuming you're using the unlock software from Oli) and it'll work.
Hey thanks for the information gamescan. I scoured the Telus Mobility website and tried to find information about their new netowork but they just call it HSPA+. No where does it mention that it is UMTS or GSM. Oh well, now I know a little bit more about cell phone tech.
I don't even know if theres any real benefit to being on Telus' UMTS network compared to their CDMA. Im sure there has to be something....
Hedake said:
Hey thanks for the information gamescan. I scoured the Telus Mobility website and tried to find information about their new netowork but they just call it HSPA+. No where does it mention that it is UMTS or GSM. Oh well, now I know a little bit more about cell phone tech.
I don't even know if theres any real benefit to being on Telus' UMTS network compared to their CDMA. Im sure there has to be something....
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Quick 3G primer:
W-CDMA and UMTS are the name of the tech. It's also referred to as FOMA in Japan. Phones generally standardize on the UMTS name, so when you're poking around in your phone and see UMTS followed by a number, that indicates the frequency band that the phone will run on in 3G.
HSDPA, HSUPA and HSPA+ are all further revisions to UMTS. They allow for greater speeds on existing infrastructure so long as both the handset and tower support it.
A rough CDMA equivalent would be EVDO and EVDO Rev A. Older UMTS handsets will still work on a HSPA+ network, they just won't run on HSPA+ speeds the same as a EVDO handset will work on a Rev A network, just not at Rev A speeds.
UMTS is often referred to as "GSM" though that is a misnomer. GSM and UMTS are two separate (but concurrent) technologies. While they often exist together on networks that have been GSM and upgraded, they do not have to exist together. You can have a situation where a UMTS network exists but an underlying GSM "2G" network does not.
The most well known example of this is in Japan where GSM never rolled out, but in your case, where Telus is adding UMTS to an existing CDMA2000 network, is similar.
From a user perspective, there is no real reason for you to want to run UMTS over EVDO on Telus. Telus should have greater EVDO coverage so that's what you'll be wanting.
If you really want to run on the Telus UMTS network, look for an ATT branded Touch Pro 2 and get that. Of course that will not run on the Telus EVDO network.
Thank you again sir! I appreciate the replies.
Just curious about one thing, if Telus' new UMTS network isn't really any better than their CDMA right now, then why do they promote it as such a big deal?
I think I read that in order to evolve into the next big cellphone phase (forget the name) that this UTMS network was necessary but why would anyone care what network they are on as of today?
Also, do you know why CDMA is not the "way of the future" so to speak? I know Telus spent millions upgrading and putting in new towers all over...maybe I should go google this stuff lol.
The future is LTE (which is neither CDMA or GSM).
As for why Telus made a hop to UMTS before going to LTE, I couldn't tell you.
All I can envision is that Telus is looking to be more compatible globally with Europe and Japanese business travellers. It may also be a strategic decision to open up compatibility with more possible phone manufacturers.
Putting 1XRTT CDMA + EVDO + UMTS into a phone is an engineering pain. Adding in multiple frequency support (and properly tuning the antenna) is also a pain. HTC aside, many manufacturers are supporting GSM/UMTS because that's what carriers have. The biggest CDMA markets are the US, Canda and South Korea. While it is a lot of people, it also requires another phone variant.
By overlaying a UMTS network, Telus can suddenly work with any handset that supports UMTS 850/1900. That's what's used by ATT in the US. UMTS 850 is also popular in Australia while Europe and Japan use UMTS 2100. T-Mobile US uses UMTS 1700. Many UMTS phones offer tri-band UMTS 850/1900/2100 support. With one of those phones you can run on just about any current UMTS network in the world (excepting T-Mobile US).
Again, this is just conjecture on my part, but they are possible reasons.
I have TP2 CDMA version (Initially a US cellular phone i think)
I have Unlocked it (sim and CID) then installed the world phone rom as well.
Put a AT&T sim in and it works
But no 3g!! - Only edge 2g
The settings are already on the phone (with cilgular login)
Anyway of getting the 3g to work?
You phone might not have compatible AT&T 3G bandwidth. Check your specs to see if you do have it.
I have recently received a Telus HTC Touch Pro 2 unlocked, running on the Rogers Wireless Network. Everything works accordingly after setting up the network settings, although it does not run in 3G mode. It works fine in EDGE mode, but the speed difference is fairly significant. I have been doing some indepth reading, although I have not been able to come across any answers on how to get the Rogers 3G mode to operate on the Telus version of the TP2. If anyone has any information as to whether or not it is capable of running 3G, and if so how to you enable the 3G capability?
The CDMA TP2 is not compatible with most gsm 3G services. There is no fix it has to do with the hardware radios.
Nope!
No 3g data in GSM mode.
drewcam...horndoc..what's up ! @ the op, as previously stated, no gsm 3g in north america but it's suppose to work in most countries.
Hello! I have been at this for a week now.
This is my situation, I bought a fully unlocked dual sim wcdma phone (Mpie 909T) running 4.4.2 KitKat.
I want to use this phone on my straight talk plan, but I only get service from Verizon wireless where I live.
I did some searching and found that I could use a R-UIM card to pick up signal from Verizon BUT I can not find where to buy one at (unless I buy bulk for a couple hundo). So I'm at a loss. I didn't realize that I didn't get service from at&t or T-Mobile till I got the phone and went to the straight talk site and it told me to buy a sim card activation kit, (checked on AT&T site to make sure I would have service and it showed that I would)... so I went and bought the kit only to find out that they actually don't have service out here. ? so if there is no way to find a r-uim card, would there be a way to change the radio frequencies in the phone? But I would also need a MEID # to activate on straight talk CDMA (Verizon towers). Or can I get one of those sim read/writer kits on eBay and program it to work?
I have not rooted the phone yet.
PLEASE HELP!!! I love this phone!!
I've been using the phone via WiFi from my old dx2 that's currently active.
Sadly, you cannot access a CDMA2000 network like Verizon's from a device that does not have a CDMA2000 transceiver. CDMA2000 is technologically incompatible with GSM and UMTS (sometimes called WCDMA). There are some dual mode devices, but Verizon explicitly forbids non-Verizon devices on their network. Even if you could somehow get a RUIM for Verizon, and their blessing to use it, your phone would not work unless it specifically has a CDMA transceiver in it. (remember, CDMA and WCDMA are not the same)
You need a device that supports not only the right technologies, but also the right frequencies. Most Dual-SIM phones are based exclusively on GSM and UMTS/WCDMA, and often operate on frequencies that are not comparable with US GSM operators. AT&T operates on GSM850, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, and several bands of LTE. T-mobile operates on GSM1900, UMTS1700, UMTS1900, and several bands of LTE as well. However, most networks outside the Americas use GSM900, GSM1800, UMTS2100, and LTE800, 1800, and 2600.
You can use a site called GSMArena to check which bands your device has. If you want to use a CDMA carrier (Verizon, Sprint, and many rural operators in the US), you generally have to buy a phone with their branding or one of their partners.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
I have similar question. Since I am currently using ST with a Verizon phone ( CDMA) could I buy a new phone to replace current one ? And does it need to be another CDMA phone? And what is LOCKED/UNLOCKED have to do with it ?
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This is a very large problem. I am in the same boat. Up here, we have Verizon,and ATT. that's it. My first phone here was ATT. worked great in town. As soon as I got to my house dead.,... I bought a Nexus 6 popped the Verizon SIM in it called straight talk they registered me on Verizon's network and boom Full LTE, and VoLTE. My issue now though is I want to try other devices and it seems that the N6 is literally the only non branded phone I can use. There are some awesome new Chinese devices I would love to try and on paper have the correct signals but still claim no Verizon. I am frustrated and stumped after weeks of research and conflicting reports. Does anyone know what is going on? Thanks in advance