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How (or with what program) can I rotate a picture/movie?

I can't find anything that does this on the software that's included with Mio.
Can anyone help me on this one?
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The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!

toomuchdogfur said:
The 'Pictures' app included with Windows Mobile PDA/phones should be able to rotate and save pictures - look closely at the buttons on the bottom row when a picture is open.
As for videos, I'm a bit confused! Do you mean you want to temporarily rotate your videos so that you can view them on landscape on your PDA? Then use TCPMP (Google it), a great freeware media player that plays Divx/XviD, WMV, etc etc...
If you mean actually changing say, a 320x240 video to a 240x320 one (permanent rotation), then I dunno!
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Ah, thank you!
Now I saw it. You will have to View the picture, and then press EDIT. I don't know why this is not available on the thumbnail mode...
Thanks!
About the movie, I've heard about tcpmp, but what I want is to change from 320x240 to 240x320.
Thanks for the info!
Anyone else knows how to accomplish this?

That would take actually re-encoding (I think) which even for a 100MB movie would be a bit too much work for a PPC device.
Such app might exist any way but I don't know any.
Try a desktop app called Virtual Dub. It's free and lets you manipulate just about any format in any way (size, orientation, encoding etc.).

TCPMP can of course rotate to landscape easily.
If you want to reformat the source video itself, as Levenum says, use Virtual Dub and apply a filter to rotate. It doesn't take too long, but is a lossy process because you have to re-encode.
This is definitely not something for the PDA, PC only.
If you're recompressing or reformatting for PDAs, I highly recommend SmartMovie, http://www.lonelycatgames.com/index.php?note=smartmovie&chapter=smartmovie
or Lathe/PocketDivXEncoder
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Humm..
The thing is I can't play 3gp taken by MIO on Nokia phones. I assume that it can be due to "size", but I don't know.
Thanks for all the input!

Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!

toomuchdogfur said:
Well I don't have a clue how MIO's camera apps work, as I only have a HTC Magician, but try and check that your camera is indeed recording apps to standard 3gp - meaning it uses the H.263/H.264 (i forgot which) or MPEG-4 codec.
Also, as far as I know, only the most recent 'N' series of Nokias and some other high-end Nokias use 320x240 resolution screens. For Series40 Nokias (eg. 6230), the screen resolution usually sits at 128x128, with optimal support for 128x96 videos. Series60 (eg. 6600) usually have 176x200 screens, meaning that 176x144 is best for them. If your MIO has any resemblance to my Magician, its camera app should have options for you to take video at these lower resolutions.
As for resizing existing video, yes VirtualDub is the best, but it won't support 3GP (from my experience the MOD version will only do AVIs and MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 reliably). You could try ImTOO MPEG Converter (Google it), which while of dubious coding quality will convert many files to many other files. A free and perhaps better option is SUPER, though be wary as it will spit out some out of sync files on some formats (but theres so bloody many formats supported that it's hard to list them)!
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That's it. Thank you very much!!
I recorded in H.263_AMR 240x320, and since it was sent to a 6630 it wouldn't play it...
I will record and send in 144x176 and try it!
BTW, why does the quality suck on Mio video capture?
Look at these 2 clips and a bit of a picture.

Sorry bout the long reply, been quite busy recently with work!
Anyway, video capture isnt a particularly strong point with Pocket PCs and phones in general... their processors cant capture full 25fps video at high quality - remember thats like taking 25 photos a second! My Magician wont do nice smooth video even at 176x144, and I daresay that the Mio range fares worse since most of them use the slower Windows Mobile 5. Thats just something that no one seems to be able to fix, unfortunately .
However CoolCamera apparently will work better with the camera than the default camera apps... however I don't think its compatible with the Mio. Even if it does, you'll have to pay for it :roll:. Also note that it can only record to AVI - Motion JPEG codec, so it wont play back on Nokias.
EDIT: Not sure if this is the same case with Mios, but on my Magician, formatting the storage card to FAT16 makes a huge difference to read/write times! Try that to speed up your video to storage card!

Sample photos?

I'm 75% certain I'm going to get this phone next month, does anyone have any sample photos from it? (JPS 3D)
All I've ever been able to find is 3D video and I've never been able to find sample 3D photos
can anyone help?
I've looked through this forum and cannot find any unless I've missed something

mmace said:
I'm 75% certain I'm going to get this phone next month, does anyone have any sample photos from it? (JPS 3D)
All I've ever been able to find is 3D video and I've never been able to find sample 3D photos
can anyone help?
I've looked through this forum and cannot find any unless I've missed something
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Nope,nothing 3d pictures on the web yet. Ask to the owners in the other threads

I have a few that I will upload to my dropbox then I will post the link..

Brilliant, thank you

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG001.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG002.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG003.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG004.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG005.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG006.jps
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14815214/IMG007.jps

Would you also be able to upload some 2D pictures at 5mp.

really thank u man - and please some 2D pictures

Hmmm, the stereo seperation seems as bad as I had heard it was - much less than the 3DS. I wonder if forcing the seperation in software can help enough to give decent depth to the photos as viewing them on my 3DS its really subtle and seems to strain my eyes more than usual. Lets hope partly its due to viewing them so low resolution compared to their native.
Why did they put the cameras so close together?

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Would you also be able to upload some 2D pictures at 5mp.
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Rename the files to .jpg instead of .jps and view them in any image viewer you have installed.
It is simply 2 jpeg images side by side, taking a separate 2D image should be exactly the same as the left image in the jps stereo pair.

Alex Atkin UK said:
Hmmm, the stereo seperation seems as bad as I had heard it was - much less than the 3DS. I wonder if forcing the seperation in software can help enough to give decent depth to the photos as viewing them on my 3DS its really subtle and seems to strain my eyes more than usual. Lets hope partly its due to viewing them so low resolution compared to their native.
Why did they put the cameras so close together?
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Just looked at the sample images on a 50 inch plasma with 3d glasses. Separation is good.
Some of the images have issues since they were taken with a tilted angle which affects the depth effect, maybe this is the reason for some complaining about the separation.
Stereo photo maker has an auto aligment feature that corrects height difference between the left/image: http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/
The problem is shown on the tree animation at:
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/help/multiple.htm
Cameras are close since the battery takes up half the phone size, it is a PCB design thing, maybe not enough space to have the battery in the middle. HTC Evo 3D has the same layout.

LG Optimus 3D
The image are awesome liked it.
Hey i would like to share LG optimus 3D specification/features of the phone
- 3D LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
- LG 3D User Interface
- Auto-rotate
- Gyro Sensor
- Touch-sensitive controls
-Dual 5 MP
- Pic Res: 2560x1920 pixels
- Stereoscopic photos and videos
- LED flash, autofocus, geo-tagging
- Video 1080p @ 24fps
- 3D Video 720p @ 30 fps
- Android OS
- Social Networking Integration
- YouTube, Google Talk, Gmail, Google Maps, Search etc.
- MP4/DivX/XviD/WMV Player
- 1080p (2D) / 720p (3D) Player
- HDMI Port
- SMS, MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
- HTML
- Stereo FM Radio with RDS
- Document Editor
Feature of LG optimus 3D.

Does anyone still have a copy of them?
I went away to France when he posted them, now I'm back they have been removed

i missed them also....

Viewing 3d content on Stereoscopic screens

How do we playback 3d movies on 3d TVs transferred from O3D device to USB for playback on TV.
I tried it but it shows side by side format and not 3d.
Anyone else tried transferring tyhe 3 dmovie to usb for playback on 3d tv or 3d laptops like acer or asus?

Have you activated 3D mode on the phone?
Is there a manual 3D mode on your other screen?

You have to activate 3d mode on your 3d tv and set it to side by side but I think the 3d effect isn't that good on the top and there is major ghosting present
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i have 3d laptop with active interlaced 3d.
Now whereas transferred pictures are in complete 3d, the movie is not.
Side by side format as input and output as interaced 3d real 3d works using steroscopic player.
Cyberlink power dvd for example also has an option to select source format and one has to choose side by side as source.
Thanks mate.
JOb done

I don't own a mini to normal HDMI cable so I haven't hooked up my phone directly to my 3D monitor (LG passive) yet but I just transfer the pics and movies to my pc and play them with TriDef mediaplayer or Stereoscopic Player and that works great.
If I 'simulate' hooking up my phone to my monitor directly by opening a movie in mediaplayer classic, letting it play side by side in fullscreen and setting my 3D monitor input setting to SBS the movies look worse, less 3D and more ghosting.

I have a sony 3d tv, hook up mini usb works no problem. quality is not to good of a 46 inch tv (pictures, games)

Just switch your tv onto sbs.
For images rename .jps to jpg, resize to 1920x1080 pixels and view full screen. SBS works perfect then

You dont need to change the name if you are using tridef.
If you are viewing through a normal player you may need to choose SBS and rename as jpg.
But which normal player allows to choose SBS? I only know of Photoshop

My monitor has lots of options to view 3D content including SBS. You should be able to change the extension to jpg and view the SBS file fullscreen in just about any application and then set your monitor or tv's 3D mode to SBS as well. That way I'm able to view pics and movies in 3D without using 3D software like TriDef or Stereoscopic Player. But like I said earlier, the quality is worse that way.
Chances are that this only works when your tv or monitor is hooked up with HDMI.

PUT phone in 3d and your tv in 3d.

I can view on my TV MPO and JPEGS but not JPS. This wouldnt be so much of an issue if the LG 3D TV i have didnt keep turning the 3 off every time i switch photo's.
Any work around for this?

Anyone have any advice on Evo 3d to LG Passive 3d monitor, such as the d2342p? It seems the LG 3d Monitor is interleaved by row; whereas the parallax barrier e3d / evo 3d / 3vo is interleaved columns... I'm thinking that the LG Optimus 3d is the same as the evo 3d...
I'd love to be able to hookup the optimus3d or the Evo3d with the LG cinema 3d / d2342p / LG 3dmonitor, but am not having any luck yet.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
I was wondering, if the youtube app has it locked into this interleaved columns to work with the glasses-free parallax barrier; could one instead access youtube.com on the browser, and select the 3d option on a yt3d enabled type video and just set it to "row interleaved" and see if that works?
Going to be giving that a try tonight.

[Q] What's the best way to convert 2D to 3D movies?

i just got my Sandisk 64gb mSDXC card and i want to stuff it with 3D movies that are custom made(optimized resolution and increased volume) anyone got suggestions?

All you need to do is to convert any existing videos (eg sidebyside) to 800x480 with left image 400x480 pixels and right 400x480 alongside each other. These would be squashed horizontally but when playing it back, you can select the video options and select the original format.
Use H264 codec for tightest compression and AAC for the audio. 25/30 fps

after any conversion of the 3D effect still will not look so good, it is better initially to shoot 3D camera so as not to spoil the impression =)

I think you are looking for something like this
http://www.xilisoft.com/3d-video-converter.html
haven't tried it to be honest but tried other from their producst and are great

niksan29 said:
after any conversion of the 3D effect still will not look so good, it is better initially to shoot 3D camera so as not to spoil the impression =)
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yeah that was the problem, after any conversion of any software its not as good as actual 3D movies

[Q] ICS 3Dvideo mods

Using a pc program "mediainfo" I noticed the 3D video encoding has changed from the codec used in gingerbread. The codec is now listed as iso which is common enough, but the codec also uses "frame tripling". The frame rate is 30fps so are we getting a 30fps with 3 frames making 1, effectively 90fps or 10fps with 3 frames duplicated to "make" 30fps.
The new 3D files cause windows explorer to continually try to analyse the mp4 files and will not automatically unmount the sd card as it is continually trying to recognize the file. The same problem also when the 3D videos are transferred to PC and the folder is viewed in explorer, cannot even re-name them with a different extension to stop the lock-ups.

Sorry to say, but 90 fps is not even true. The S3D hardware is limited to only TWO images, so it's basically split-image, either 30fps or 60fps, both left and right images. If you try 90fps, you will have image ghosting which the transparent ceramic plate is timed wrongly against video frames or worse - you will see flashing or wavy patterns which will cause you the headache. And, LCD is normally locked at 60 hertzs, as is the case with non-3D LCDs.
EDIT: The file is basically a MP4 file - with some capable media players, probably like VLC player, it will display two "squeezed" images as seen by two cameras on the 3D phone.
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I didn't have a problem moving or viewing the 3D files created in gingerbread. It seems the new codec used by ICS is causing windows problems as the codec is not recognized, windows just keeps trying to update the thumnails on the sd card when connected via usb or when removed and in a sd card reader.
Just wondered if anyone has found a way round this problem.
The "frame tripling" that is reported in the pc program {mediainfo} is a part of the codec description and cannot seem to find any mention of it in this forum.

Interesting... I have a modified ICS version of 3D camera, modified for CM10 - will try this. BTW, I don't like using thumbnail feature on Windows - nothing but a PITA.
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Hmmm. I have Nvidia 3d vision and drivers on my pc and I can watch video directly over hdmi and copy them, etc. Maybe you need the Nvidia drivers???

Or updated Catalyst for AMD Radeon HD 4k or later. I have Radeon 4670, BTW. It's still a great general-purpose video card.
However, I don't have a 3D monitor. Definitely outside of my budget.
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The "lockup" of file monitoring in widows7 for this new codec is not my main concern,annoying as it may be. I am worried about the mediainfo report of the frame mode is "frame tripling". my own research has been that 3D capture on a 3D camera by panasonic or philips or someone ACTUALLY records at 10fps and each frame is then repeated 3 times to give a 30fps video file This would give a poor motion quality video. I need to confirm that ALL o3D ICS updates have the same frame tripling video recording, as I have some "issues" with my upgrade in other software since upgrading to ICS .If the video recorded by the ICS upgrade is in fact 10fps and multiplied x3 then it is a novelty and not really persuing 3D by upgrading PC or TV to view real 3D.
Thanks for your reply's so far.

Still interesting, however. 10 fps seems slow but here, the first ever stereoscopic 3D camcorders have slower in-order processors, BTW - not as advanced as what's in our phones. So, in reality 90 fps is actually viewable as 30 fps when the 3D LCD timing is factored here.
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Sorry but don't understand the explanation or translation into english,

keith210350 said:
The "lockup" of file monitoring in widows7 for this new codec is not my main concern,annoying as it may be. I am worried about the mediainfo report of the frame mode is "frame tripling". my own research has been that 3D capture on a 3D camera by panasonic or philips or someone ACTUALLY records at 10fps and each frame is then repeated 3 times to give a 30fps video file This would give a poor motion quality video. I need to confirm that ALL o3D ICS updates have the same frame tripling video recording, as I have some "issues" with my upgrade in other software since upgrading to ICS .If the video recorded by the ICS upgrade is in fact 10fps and multiplied x3 then it is a novelty and not really persuing 3D by upgrading PC or TV to view real 3D.
Thanks for your reply's so far.
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Indeed "TriDef Media Player" installed with my LG3D monitor can't play 3D movies from ICS but 2D is able to play.
"Stereo Movie Player" http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/index.html can't play 3D from ICS too.
Only "Stereoscopic Player" http://www.3dtv.at/Index_en.aspx can play that video.

Nvidia 3D Vision drivers work for me, but if you have an AMD GPU it may be different.

OK, works very well for me too.
After I uninstalled ffdshow