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REDUNDANT THREADS - What can we do about it?

I'm really frustrated with this forum. I was about to become a lurker again and stop contributing, but I realized that this is not the solution.
Since the Kaiser forums are the most active forums on the entire site, we need some changes to make it better for all.
What I'd like to see done to help the situation is the following:
(edit) A wiki that's easier to edit and navigate, e.g., mediawiki, which would mean
More folks updating the wiki with the ability to edit subsections
More folks viewing the wiki with auto-created tables of contents
(edit)A single 'post your questions here' newbie thread to limit the amount of new threads created
(edit2)A thread or wiki entry linked at the top of every forum with proper forum etiquette.
(edit2) idea about restricting users according to post count removed
All of these suggestions will make this site more manageable and usable for all.
If you have any ideas, comments or opinions for or against, or just want to add to the list of suggestions, I look forward to them.
UPDATE 03-13-08
Thanks to Flar and the mods for pushing for new forums! Hopefully these changes, along with more member contributions, we will be able to fight back the redundant thread problem. I've noticed that quite a few senior members have taken a similar stance as I have with new users & redundant threads. I've been trying to either:
Giving the new user a search term (that we know will help), or
given the new user a way to navigate and use the resources here, mostly created by us to prevent users from asking questions in the first place, or
given the noob the links he wanted.
If you're genuinely interested in helping others, you'll realize that two of the three ways actually teach a person new things, which means they'll be better off on their own, while #3 only encourages them to ask more questions.
Finally, for all of you that may be new or have less post counts, it's not the amount of time you've been here reading, because that's not contributing back to the community. So my suggestion to you would be to come back and re-read this thread after you've contributed back to the forum by having at least 500+ genuinely helpful posts and see if you feel the same way.
And I don't mean suggestions to fix a soft key issue by bashing the keyboard with a screwdriver, like someone who has flamed this thread

_Alex_ said:
I'm really frustrated with this forum. I was about to become a lurker again and stop contributing, but I realized that this is not the solution.
Since the Kaiser forums are the most active forums on the entire site, we need some changes to make it better for all.
What I'd like to see done to help the situation is the following:
Restrict new threads to members (30 posts), forcing junior members to reply to existing threads. If new threads continue to be a problem, increase the limit to senior member status (100 posts).
More folks updating the wiki
actual comments for wiki updates so folks know what's new(I'm guilty of not doing this too) or an actual what's new page.
Both of these suggestions will make this site more manageable and usable for all.
If you have any ideas, comments or opinions for or against, or just want to add to the list of suggestions, I look forward to them.
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I couldn't agree more. A big part of the problem is the refusal of some to read or search before posting. When they don't get an immediate answer in an existing thread they start a new one. Maybe the answer is to allow the number of daily posts to be restricted by member status, with senior members being unresticted and moving downward from there.

To bad you can't put all of the threads inside the new sticky. That way, to post a new thread, you had to go thru the new sticky. Other than that, the only option I can think of is to hunt the redundant thread poster down and dismember them slowly on live t.v. broadcasted only to XDA members.
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I personally vote for my second option.

Agree with both suggestions. Mods...any comments? I have not dealt with forum software before...are those restrictions able to be implemented with this forum?

I've always liked the idea of limiting new people from starting threads, but I don't think we can judge on number of posts. I think this will just end with people joining, throwing an extra 30 useless posts into the first threads they come across, then posting their question thread.
I've always liked the idea of making someone wait 24 hours between registering and posting AT ALL. This way, we can still help those people with a genuine problem fairly quickly (rather than making them wait a week) but still weed out those who ask questions that could be answered by 2 seconds of thinking or looking.
Just my 2 cents!

Great suggestions _Alex_. There should be a stew time for new forum members. A 30 post limit should do it because by then one should have learned a little bit at least.
And now that there's a Google search box near the top of the page HOPEFULLY that cuts down on redundant new post.
@kwickone - Yes, it's possible and quite easy at that.

maybe there should be a noob section like hofo has for banned members. and you have to wait a while before you can post in the regular threads. then wait even longer before you can start a new thread.

Perhaps a rethinking........................................
Okay, this is a common problem on here. Over and over -- endless threads on this subject. It cannot be solved with current technology.
Embrace the problem.
Sandwich method:
Commend them on their new purchase of the new phone they got. Great!
Then advise them to search. Read and learn.
Then Commend their enthusiasm for Any effort they show.
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Have a 1 month waiting period before being able to post & 3 months before before starting a new thread.
Just my thoughts....It has gotton out of control.
This forum has turned into a user manual / tech support.
sd73ta said:
maybe there should be a noob section like hofo has for banned members. and you have to wait a while before you can post in the regular threads. then wait even longer before you can start a new thread.
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There already is a noob section...the problem is no one reads it!
I waited 3 months before my 1st post or flash. I shadowed the threads, followed the chefs at that time (Faria, Molski, Xelencin, Risidoro) and watched the results of people flashing their ROMs. I waited till all was clear before I flashed.
Nowadays, people are buying expensive devices and just jumping into deep water without knowing how to swim and the cry to the lifeguard for help.

Would there be any way to link keywords to threads that already exist before its posted... eg if I started a thread re "no sound help me I dont read"... before it posted a list of threads that exist already would pop up saying something like have you looked at these...? perhaps wikis could be linked in the same way... or is this not possible...? cheers

dwny said:
Have a 1 month waiting period before being able to post & 3 months before before starting a new thread.
Just my thoughts....It has gotton out of control.
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This is not very userfriendly for people who do search before posting. Considering not every new user who joins the forum is a "lazy" noob.
Maybe it is an idea to have it a bit like the "Facepunch forum" of GMOD. (for non gamer, it a HL2 mod forum) They had exactly the same problem only a little bit bigger then it is on this forum.
They solved it by some sort of rate system. Forum users can rate a post. If a user get a certain amount of negative points he is banned from the forum for 24 or something like that. You can also rate someone if he makes clever remarks or usefull contributions and rate him with a "thanks!"
This way people know they are being watched for stupid questions that are posted over and over again and search before they do something stupid. After all, saying stupid thing will cost you a time ban.
If you want to know exactly how it works. Register at the facepunch forum to check it out. It really does work. http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/

Shadowdh said:
Would there be any way to link keywords to threads that already exist before its posted... eg if I started a thread re "no sound help me I dont read"... before it posted a list of threads that exist already would pop up saying something like have you looked at these...? perhaps wikis could be linked in the same way... or is this not possible...? cheers
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Even from my rudimentary knowledge of PHP based forums such as XDA, that would be extremely prohibitive in terms of processing power. Context-sensitive searching (even cached) is very resource intensive, and even implementing it on the Kaiser section ONLY would probably bring the boards to an impressive crawl.
Have a 1 month waiting period before being able to post & 3 months before before starting a new thread.
Just my thoughts....It has gotton out of control.
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This seems a bit extreme. I bought my Kaiser and spent two or three days reading the wiki, boards, and specific threads about the Tilt. Still, I had a few questions that weren't addressed by existing threads and needed to start at thread. I agree with Alex's idea that there should be a delay (or post count check) for starting a new THREAD, but certainly not posting in general.
Likewise, I'm beginning to toy with cooking my own ROMs, and what if I was interested in starting my own thread to announce its availability? Certainly I shouldn't be required to append it to an existing (and likely unrelated) thread?
To the OP's original concern, I don't think it's a terribly unique thing to XDA. I frequent many forums, and it happens everywhere, particularly those which address technology or relationships. Everyone seems to think that their issues are unique and that they won't be covered in an existing topic. Likewise, many people just aren't comfortable with reading technical specifications, instructions, or explanations. I have dozens of friends capable of READING manuals for the devices they own and getting exactly what they need, but they don't trust the accuracy of the information unless I tell it to them myself.
Reading a bunch of instructions and trusting they are accurate is much scarier than having someone explain it to you, even if they're just regurgitating information already contained in dozens of wikis, texts or posts. This is the primary reason we have TEACHERS; most people are capable of reading everything they need to know, but prefer to have someone relate it to them in a way which caters to their understanding.
Long-winded thoughts aside, I agree with Alex's suggestions in their entirety.

i dont agree with the whole 30 or 100 postsbefore starting a tread but i do agree with the fact that it's annoying to read the same stuff over and over again people comming in with the same problems and questions but there are also people like myself that are longtime members but actually do read alot of posts so that they dont need to ask anything and dont make the 100 or so recommended post before starting a new tread..
but thats my opinion

I don't see how not being able to start a new thread will help.
Assuming I actually did search for my answer and wasn't able to find anything, where would I turn? If I can't start a new thread, I would have no choice but to hijack a different thread. That would probably upset the people involved in that thread more than creating a new thread that they could easily ignore.
How about the new thread button routing through search? So that when you entered the title, it did the search, and at the bottom of the search results there was the button that actually started a new thread.

Steal Google's Idea
Okay, How bout this:
When you open www.xda-developers.com you get this:
A Huge Search Box. Nothing else. You Have to go thru the search box to Even access this site.
?????
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Jewcookie said:
This is not very userfriendly for people who do search before posting. Considering not every new user who joins the forum is a "lazy" noob.
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It's a matter of setting standards....there are none here!
If you know what the rules are, then you'll follow them....but you have to have rules 1st.
tdsuen said:
I don't see how not being able to start a new thread will help
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That's where the problem lies.
How many new issues are there actually? Most of the issues are when people have a problem with a specific ROM. What's been happening lately is that the Rom threads are huge now and to gain attention to their inquiry, people are starting new threads. If you take a look at who's doing this, it's members under 3 months
(Just my opinion & observation)

zcink said:
Okay, How bout this:
When you open www.xda-developers.com you get this:
A Huge Search Box. Nothing else. You Have to go thru the search box to Even access this site. ?????
Okay still Drunk at the time.
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LOL... It's great to see a drunk guy contributing to this thread as it adds a touch of humor to the entire situation
FWIW, one of the new members decided to post their opinion about our frustration venting over in the regular Kaiser forum (which I read very infrequently because I know that's going to be filled with support requests).
I'm wondering how many new users will chime in on that thread...
arrogance and elitism (were all here for the same thing)

Why not add a few more Mod's and just delete them (threads or posts) quick and easy? Have an automated response to the person that: "the answers you needed were already posted in another thread".

dwny said:
It's a matter of setting standards....there are none here!
If you know what the rules are, then you'll follow them....but you have to have rules 1st.
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I totally agree that there needs to be some forum etiquette that needs to be followed, especially regarding new threads. The question is how we go about enforcing it...
Hopefully the mods/admin will read this thread and take our suggestions to heart.

Sober
Okay
A totally Sane -- Sober guy -- was just joking bout the drunk part.
A Huge Search Engine
You have to go thru the search Engine box to enter this site.
You can't miss.
Anyone who does not search will be Shot On site and put into the Ovens!

interesting idea for this forum

I just thought of this idea, and I really don't know how easy it is, and I have a feeling it just might work. With all the newbs that come in and don't read the wiki...don't read the rules, they post all these redundent threads. How about, in order to register to this forum, you have to take a test. This test will consist of certain questions from the wiki. I'm pretty sure this is a wild idea and getting this to work with this forum might be some work, but if it is done, I'm pretty sure this will reduce a lot of redundent threads. Of course, the test shouldn't be that hard if person read the wiki.
Just a crazy idea. Lock this thread if you think I'm insane.
edit: sorry, should say interesting idea for this forum, not thread.

Not a bad idea, needs some working out. To read the correct Wiki the first question would probably have to be "what phone do you own?"

I don't know about a test but maybe a period after you join you can read all the forums but cannot post for a set amount of days maybe. Thats just my 2 cents.
-McMex

its gonna be hard since a lot of us use different machines..its a good idea to somehow limit the noobness of these people posting redundent threads...but i guess it'll be hard to change the habits of those that just post rather than search
btw...i dont think this is kaiser rom development
maybe somehow mod the way we post...like have a label beside the "post" button asking if they hav searched or not and stuff like that so that the user can double check and think through before posting it..

just a thought...
maybe before someone can view the thread, there would be a pop-up menu (search thread menu) or something like that, that the user will be asked to input their querry and a list of links will be given for their easy access...hehe.

maybe we should not answer anything
and just say wiki
and thats it
nothing else
so that they will read the @@@@@@ wiki at last

another thought...maybe give like warning points or w/e...then after so many points u will have limited access or w/e then resulting in a ban if it continues to occur that they dont search answers for themselves first

wait doesn't the owners of this forum get paid more by having more threads from their advertisers?
idk i used to run a forum and thats how it worked with all our advertisers...
I think the purpose is not to piss people off by setting the rule to search first before you post, rather than preventing people to post. I don't think a test is a good idea because everyone has different learning capabilities.

i agree with the learning capabilities..but its the people who dont even want to learn...then just want other peple to give them the answer so they can happily enjoy their phone rather than learning it and finding it out for themselves...

bapssystupr3m3 said:
i agree with the learning capabilities..but its the people who dont even want to learn...then just want other peple to give them the answer so they can happily enjoy their phone rather than learning it and finding it out for themselves...
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agreed....

I'm with McMexican...
Probationary period of no posting for 7 days to familiarize yourself with the site, and read the WIKI(s).

Don't know why you guys playing the new ones. YOU WERE ALSO LIKE THEM!!!!

Another redundant thread.......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371254

I think we should have a separate wiki just on ideas 'cause there are so many of these now.
Now, to make my post related and not a space waster, how about this:
When somebody posts a new thread, after they hit "Submit reply", a script searches for keywords in their post and brings up a search result that might be related to their post. The poster can then ignore the posting if any of the search result is relevant or continue posting if search results are not relevant. To not make this feature an annoyance, the script only works when somebody's starting a new thread. How about that, eh?

I think every non-noob should hyper link "Wiki" or some other informative link in their signature. I think the more people that do that, the less redundancy will occur. just my two cents.

muthaflaco said:
I'm with McMexican...
Probationary period of no posting for 7 days to familiarize yourself with the site, and read the WIKI(s).
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Meanwhile you have some user who has bricked his phone and can't post for 7 days, and doesn't understand the wiki and then starts to send PMs to all the names he sees on the forum.
Every forum has this problem. There's not much really that you can do about. Either ignore the redundant posts or help them out. Your choice.

The easiest and most fun way would be to have them agree to search first and be aware that Senior Members can and will ridicule, belittle and flame you if you post a redundant thread. Make that text BIG and BOLD then they check the I agree and can proceed with registration.
This reminds them of the rules and if they don't follow we can do what we do best, make fun of them, laugh, and maybe send them in the right direction.

bapssystupr3m3 said:
another thought...maybe give like warning points or w/e...then after so many points u will have limited access or w/e then resulting in a ban if it continues to occur that they dont search answers for themselves first
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I really like this idea!!

Thread for Post Count
How about a thread, for users who make posts like this mine right now. It should be called "Increase your post count thread", this will serve posts like
1. Dumb noob questions (There usually have less than 10, so it will help them).
2. Posts to flame noob posts.
3. More Posts to follow up flaming.
4. More Posts that think this thread is more useful than a noob asking a stupid question because you can read and flash a phone.
5. Posts about how to make a perfect forum but not really do anything about it.
If I can think of more and don't have anything else to do with my life I will make my own thread with a big long list. Then ask for a sticky and be

While the ideas in this thread are good, as P1tater mentions, they are certainly not new.
I've come to an acceptance that there will always be someone who didn't take the time or effort to read before posting. Rather than thinking about different ways to force them, we should treat them with some amount of respect and either:
Giving the new user a search term (that we know will help), or
given the new user a way to navigate and use the resources here, mostly created by us to prevent users from asking questions in the first place
Both of these methods will teach the user how to properly use this site. A bit of chastisement never hurts, as long as one of the two criteria is met.
Since that thread was created two months ago, alot of things happened. Some notable mentions are:
Kaiser Software & ROM Development forum
G.W.E.N.I. links & Kaiser FAQ
Shipped & Cooked & Radio ROM wiki
Sticky Rollup & easier wiki navigation
Actions always speak louder than words and this forum runs on user contributions. If you're reading this thread now and wondering what you can do to assist the community:
The Kaiser FAQ needs work, converting GWENI links into Q/A, to be truly an FAQ.
New questions and answers are always appreciated too.
Cooked ROMS is outdated and needs regular maintenance.
Hope this helps!

Read/Unread, Moved threads etc - WTF is going on?

I'm getting a bit cheesed off - is something seriously wrong with the forum?
For about the last week I've had problems with the "read" function with it not highlighting threads that have been updated since my last visit like it used to, and now we seen to have loads of "moved" threads that just point to the Q&A thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
What's going on?
Cheers,
Steve.

Perhaps instead of being cheesed, you should have don some additional reading. Did you try reading the first post in the thread all of those post are being routed to? In an effort to control the outrageous amount of new threads being started every day, we have begun consolidating them all into a single random questions and answers thread where the knowledgeable users will be able to look through and answer the questions from a single location.
As for the issue with unread threads, that has to do with a change in the way that the server is tracking the cookies. To mark all threads as read up to this point, just lick on "mark all read" at the bottom of the page of the main forum page.
Post Regarding New Q&A Thread
Thread Regarding Marked As Read Issue

IMO, merging individual questions into one thread makes searching for answers more difficult.

whosy11 said:
IMO, merging individual questions into one thread makes searching for answers more difficult.
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I have to agree, especially when people don't quote what they are responding to. You often have different threads of discussion going on and it can get quite confusing.
I understand the desire to avoid lots of duplicate threads, but surely all that's going to happen is we'll end up with lots of duplicate messages in one HUGE thread?
I still maintain that the "Just a redirect from Raph Rom Development." and "Just a redirect from Raphael Software." in the first two messages, which is where you end up when you click a "moved" thread, isn't terribly descriptive of what's going on.
I understand that moderating a forum like this is no easy task, but by trying to impose a generic "Questions and Answers" thread, aren't you trying to put about 80% of the forum content into one thread?
Cheers,
Steve.

I completely agree, making one long thread and moving post after post to it in the name of "consolidation" is just irritating. I was wondering when people were going to start speaking up about that. Forums need moderation, but when it becomes as heavy-handed as it has here, the forum loses some of it's usefulness, it also becomes much less fun to surf.

StevePritchard said:
I understand that moderating a forum like this is no easy task, but by trying to impose a generic "Questions and Answers" thread, aren't you trying to put about 80% of the forum content into one thread?
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To be completely fair, 80% of the forum content is not in that Q&A thread. Most of the actual content is located in the many threads that are not consolidated. Most of what is being consolidated into that thread is questions by people who were too lazy to research their issue, or at least read the "read this before posting" which states that you should always try to post your issue in a preexisting thread first.
While this format might make it slightly less usable for the people who are 30 new threads of random questions a day, it absolutely does not have that effect for the users who are answering the bulk of these questions anyway.
That being said, your concerns have been noted, and we will consider other possible solutions, but i don not believe any of you who are complaining truly understand how much time and work goes into keeping this place in order. For example, last night there were 4,000 people on the site, and 3 moderators signed in. I merged about 30 threads yesterday alone, which is why there are so many redirects right now. I leave them for 1 day so that people looking for their thread can find it. The FIRST post states exactly what the Q&A Thread is for, and the second and 3rd posts right now are just used to direct people to the correct location for placing those questions. If it bothers you that so many threads are being merged, perhaps encourage users to post their questions in the right location. Then i wouldn't need to move anything.

I think this was a poor decision. I use(d) this forum to answer my questions which likely had already been asked and answered by someone else. But with the new 31 page Q&A thread, even if a search revealed that my question might possibly exist in that thread, there is no way for me to find it without reading (or at least scanning) all 31 pages. And then, if I'm lucky enough to find the question, I have no idea which responses go to that question. The Mod said to quote the original question, but many don't. Also, would it be better to put the original question in the title (subject) line so you would only have to scan the titles?
Personally, a Q&A forum with its own individual threads would be much preferred. I know most of you who know all there is about the Raphael think this might be a good idea, but, please consider the many (and I'm sure more to come) who don't know all that much, and have simple questions, which have been answered, but impossible to find.
Thanks for listening, and a big Thank You to all who help those of us new to HTC phones and WM devices.
-Rick

Please don't take offense...
but, let's face it, the people who are generating the most complaints about the decision are people who don't really do a lot of contributing to the forum. Those who actually do make notable contributions understand the constraints with which we are functioning, and generally feel that while this isn't ideal, it's a step in the right direction. I am terribly sorry for those who might have to do slightly more work, but let's face it, most of these answers are already out there, and that's where we get a lot of the answers which are provided. Scanning through a few pages of posts just really doesn't take THAT much time.
As I think this thread has outlived it's usefulness, which was mostly to inform people of what has happened, I am closing it now.

Why

I tried to post a question about rooting the noot tablet and was told I have to have posted at least ten times here to be able to post there. Why do I see a junior member post with four posts over in the nook tablet thread. BTW not a rookie. I have rooted my Droid and played with ADB quite a bit.
Thanks

Depends on when they joined the forum. That rule isn't retroactive (IE if you joined before that rule, you don't need 10 posts to post in development sections).

Thanks for your response

The rule is meant to encourage people to post in the general section. Its a very widely held belief that the dev section is not for questions, its for dev work, and questions just clog the board and threads. There is no restriction to posting in any of the non-dev sections.
Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)

While I understand with the general point of having to weed out the newbies's (and I include myself in that!) general questions/queries, I disagree with the 10 posts cut-off rule entirely.
One example: I have quite a trivial problem with compiling/upgrading certain packages (i.e. compiling and preparing .apk file after altering the source code and patching it) and building the rootfs for my phone.
This is a query only the devs would be able to address, quite easily, as they have been doing this for ages and know this process like the back on their hands.
This query is well-suited to be posted in one of the devs forums in here, but since I have less than 10 posts I can't do it and I am, quite literally, stuck!
It is not very likely that the devs are reading all the Q&A forums as the traffic on these is quite high and single queries like the one above could easily get lost among all the other stuff.
One of the Q&A forums had a traffic of about 6-7 pages of new threads per day, so you can understand why a single message could get lost there quite easily.
I did post my query, but, unsurprisingly, this was not answered.
I know I could wait and "blagg" my way through with meaningless posts to reach that 10 post minimum count, but I don't think this is a proper way of addressing this issue.
My two pence worth, of course.

I agree much with this thread. I dont believe I should have to post 10 times somewhere else that I have no interest in. Im looking to dev on the kindle android builds but I cant do anything but watch what others are posting. I personally believe this is bologna.

josh36 said:
While I understand with the general point of having to weed out the newbies's (and I include myself in that!) general questions/queries, I disagree with the 10 posts cut-off rule entirely.
One example: I have quite a trivial problem with compiling/upgrading certain packages (i.e. compiling and preparing .apk file after altering the source code and patching it) and building the rootfs for my phone.
This is a query only the devs would be able to address, quite easily, as they have been doing this for ages and know this process like the back on their hands.
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No, the dev forums are not there so you can ask the devs to answer your question.
This is exactly what the 10 post rule is there to prevent.
People using dev forums as Q&A forum, because they think they will receive quicker answers there.
Post your question in the question&answer forums, and if a dev wants to answer your question, he will do so, if not, well tough luck!

Dark3n said:
No, the dev forums are not there so you can ask the devs to answer your question.
This is exactly what the 10 post rule is there to prevent.
People using dev forums as Q&A forum, because they think they will receive quicker answers there.
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I disagree - a cursory look at the Android Software Development (Discussion about Android-specific software development) forum shows at least 6 threads on the first page alone started by various posters either describing a specific problem/bug/feature (asking for clarification/assistance) or placing a direct question - see for yourself, go and have a look.
The other point I've made was that all these questions get drowned in the sea with all the rest and the chances of someone seeing, let alone addressing a specific problem are slim-to-none.
One other thing - when I get to test/implement something I've seen in a given dev forum (a package, a specific update zip etc - you get the point) and find an issue/bug or simply wish to post a comment or give a feedback, I can't do that, but have to go and do it in a completely different place, together with all other (unrelated) queries/questions from all other users - do you honestly think that makes sense, because to me it doesn't - at all!

miniblue said:
I tried to post a question about rooting the noot tablet and was told I have to have posted at least ten times here to be able to post there. Why do I see a junior member post with four posts over in the nook tablet thread. BTW not a rookie. I have rooted my Droid and played with ADB quite a bit.
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That are the rules that you agreed

Rewarding stupidity?

t1mm0, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums.
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I've been visiting XDA for many years and always find the answers to my questions via searching rather than posting questions.
I've therefore never had the requirement to post in the development section but I do now regarding ICS RC4.
I realize that there are many users who never search and *do* post stupid questions but is there any way for someone like myself to skip the 10 posts?
This isn't perhaps the best titled thread but I kinda feel like this since I'll have to post another 8 stupid threads before I can get to the folk who may know the answer to my question.

If you want to post a question about something related to a ROM, try looking in the Q&A section for the ROM you're using. You can post there without the 10-post limit, and unless you're bringing up a specific bug or have some sort of code to contribute to the item you would be posting under, that section should be able to handle whatever you would need.

New users should really read this I suppose.
I know it makes sense. I just needs an answer quickly

t1mm0 said:
New users should really read this I suppose.
I know it makes sense. I just needs an answer quickly
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If the Q&A isn't getting you where you need to be, you could always try the waters of sending the developer in question a PM. Depending on how swamped they are, you might get the answer you're needing a lot quicker.

It's really a stupid rule. What it should be, is 50 posts to make a thread in the dev section.
Sent from my SGH-I897

I can see the objective of it the rule but yes, 50 posts to start a new thread in the Dev section would make more sense to me.

Agreed. I lurk, learn, and do. And I'm grateful to those who do develop on this platform. But I can't participate because I haven't passed the magic 10-post rule.
And I'm a software developer (not Android) by trade, so I understand what facilitates discussion and what does not, and I have a pretty good idea what are reasonable questions and what aren't.

The purpose of the Dev section is to post about developing not questions that is what the q&a or general

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t1mm0 said:
I've been visiting XDA for many years and always find the answers to my questions via searching rather than posting questions.
I've therefore never had the requirement to post in the development section but I do now regarding ICS RC4.
I realize that there are many users who never search and *do* post stupid questions but is there any way for someone like myself to skip the 10 posts?
This isn't perhaps the best titled thread but I kinda feel like this since I'll have to post another 8 stupid threads before I can get to the folk who may know the answer to my question.
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There are specific threads set up in Q&A for most of the ROMs, including ICSSGS RC 4. Post there and you'll be read, and most likely answered.