Sound tweak to up volume? - HTC Inspire 4G

Hi,
Does anyone know a way to tweak a system file so that Inspire's volume is higher?
I personally find its stock volume rather low, and I want to increase it.

I downloaded Zedge. It is a free app with nice louder ringtones.
Hope this helps!

I'm wanting to up the volume system-wide. But, thanks for the info anyway

Yea, I tested a movie and sling player last night. The media volume was all the way up and it was quite.

I went from iPhone 4 (nice and louad) to Atrix 4g (nice and loud) to Inspire 4g (too quiet).
I am loving the Inspire but the sound volume and battery life are definitely the 2 big downsides of it. Still a winner over the Atrix any day though.

I personally don't have issues with the battery. I've removed all extra stuff. Even before removing them, I was happy with its battery.
It can't be that hard to change the system volume. It's done in every smartphone and OS before. Hopefully, some developer notices this thread and help us out.

goldentequila said:
I personally don't have issues with the battery. I've removed all extra stuff. Even before removing them, I was happy with its battery.
It can't be that hard to change the system volume. It's done in every smartphone and OS before. Hopefully, some developer notices this thread and help us out.
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I'm half deaf. Need a louder phone please.

same here, the phone volume is too low. Maybe if can acces service codes? I did it on my previous Samsung phone.

Hi, all.
So, I've been doing some digging around, and looks like there are 2 possibilities.
One is to modify the system files manually (which would be very complicated), but I personally prefer this method rather than having to install extra stuff. However, this method is not available to us unless some very smart person shares the method with us.
Two, which seems to be the only viable option at the moment, is DSP Manager. As far as I understand, it used to be available through ROM Manager, but it is no longer there. I saw a thread that said the author was not releasing it anymore because most MOD developers were now including it in their ROMs from the beginning.
So, if we can find a way to install DSP Manager, we may be able to tweak the max speaker volume. But, that's as far as I could find. I'd need someone smarter to look into this.

Hi,
An update and a new idea.
First, DSP Manager doesn't work on Inspire 4G, so don't bother.
Second,
Here's a new idea I have about the low volume sound fix. I just read a comment from HTC employee who said, "The front speaker is for phone calls and the rear speaker is for everything else."
In other words, if we can find a way to keep the front speaker enabled all the time, we should be able to get more sound. I don't know much about what kind of coding is involved in routing sounds from each speaker, but I wonder if this would be an easier hack than trying to increase the entire system volume, which may still feel low volume for as long as we can't get any sound out of the front speaker.
Maybe someone smart can add to this possibility?

#1! I like to use voice recordings as scheduled reminders, and the playback volume out of the rear speaker is way too low.

I did notice the low volume on a movie i downloaded but you never can tell with those sorts of things. Overall the sounds is incredible even through the speakers with (SRS) and dolby mobile.
Could use something to ++output level.
Id like to see an app to change audio volume levels while recording video.
(ive only had the phone a couple days i returned my samsung Cap upgrade for the 4g, forgive me if there is such an app out there)
How often do you go to watch an awesome looking concert video and the sound is trash? It would make for some beautiful recordings i think. I have yet to test this one, but the Captivate could not record decent sound at all in loud environment.

I personally have come to believe that it is really not that the "volume" is low but rather a "wrong" speaker is being used. I mean, if the main speaker is on the back facing away from us, of course we don't hear much sound. If you flip the phone while playing music or video, you'll notice that the sound is actually loud enough. So, if we can enable the front speaker for normal use, I really think that it'll be just fine.

about every HTC phone has a quiet speaker. but cyanogen typically always includes the audio boost add-on. so i'd just wait for cyanogen 7 to include it, and your troubles will be solved.

well, even if the volume is boosted, as long as the sound is coming out of the rear speaker, if you place your phone on its back on a table or something, the sound will still suffer. It makes more sense to find a way to enable the front speaker.

Most of all phone have a rear facing speaker. But some phone are loud and some are not..
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

goldentequila said:
well, even if the volume is boosted, as long as the sound is coming out of the rear speaker, if you place your phone on its back on a table or something, the sound will still suffer. It makes more sense to find a way to enable the front speaker.
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+1 this would be quite useful!

kwin_captivate said:
Most of all phone have a rear facing speaker. But some phone are loud and some are not..
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No, they don't lol. (you may be right if you are talking about specific brand or series, but certainly not "most of all phones").

I just came across something that may be relevant to the audio routing, but I'm not smart enough to figure them out. If anybody wants to take a look at it, it would be great:
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/AudioManager.html
There are several lines there that talk about Routing.
GT

This may sound ridiculous but works!
Hi, all.
I just came up with a very simple workaround for "only when you are watching a video or something."
Now, you're gonna probably laugh, but trust me. It really works.
Just play any video, and hold your phone as if you are scooping water. The key is the left hand. When you cup your left hand around the rear speaker, it creates a echoing chamber that redirect all sound toward you. You'll be able to hear the sound much better.
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HD7 Volume.

The volume on the HD7 seems low anybody else have this issue?
i dont dont have a hd7 but if you have any wp7 games downloaded it might be worth going back into the game, and checking the volume on the game first, it seems that game volume can also affect the system volume as a whole. increasing it could help if that is the problem. just a guess.
Nope, no problems here, but I use a stereo bluetooth headset with mine. The only bugbear is that the sound for videos always comes out the main speaker, which is a pain when playing games with video sections, like Need for Speed Undercover.
Have you already downloaded the sound enhancer form the htc hub. It makes a huge difference.
tbk21 said:
Have you already downloaded the sound enhancer form the htc hub. It makes a huge difference.
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I have but not much louder.
Are you talking about speakerphone?
If so then yes. The volume is lower on that than everything else, otherwise, the phone is loud.
I just got a replacement hd7 phone yesterday and this ones speakerphone is way louder then the launch day phone I had. Even vibration is stronger. I dont know if it just me, but the screen colors look brighter and not as washed out as previous phone. I wish I could compare with other phone but screen broke on that one.
Is that a hardware issue? HTC mozart is ****ing loud. Max volume without my ears searing is 22...
You guys are lucky still, volume on the lg optimus 7 is horrible. It is half to 3 quarters of my volume on my N80 or Omnia 1. Vibration is beyond horrible I tried another unit to be sure it wasnt mine seems to be it the handset.
LG Optimus great phone but 3 bad things that annoy me.
Speaker volume overall - poor
Vibration - extra extra crap
The Buttons for Back/Search - make too much of a clicking sound.
If anyone has a htc surround 7 - how is the speaker/vibration for that I am thinking of switching to that. I love the windows 7 os
I too find the volume on my HD7 too low. Although there are some songs that play with loud volume. I'm wondering does zune convert some of the files when we transfer them?
Yeah I too can barely hear the speaker and my headphones are super low too. I tried to watch some netflix on the light rail yesterday and I couldn't hear a thing. Is there anything else beside the HTC app to increase the sound?
My TouchPro2 was hecka loud compared to this. Speaker and Headphones.
I just got mine yesterday (10-03-11) did the mango update and the volume is CRAP.. there is no way these alarm sounds or even trying to use it as a gps in the car even makes sense... the volume SUCKS..
I really think it is app based. for some reason, my Slacker Radio got a little louder since my Mango update... its been a little bit louder i think. Or that might just be me. Let me know XDA people!

Ringer Volume

My wife just got a blaze coming from a MT4G. Her ringer volume is extremely low and we've turned the setting up all the way. Is this a known issue or has anyone had similar issues? If so what was done to fix it?
claytonj said:
My wife just got a blaze coming from a MT4G. Her ringer volume is extremely low and we've turned the setting up all the way. Is this a known issue or has anyone had similar issues? If so what was done to fix it?
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Haven't really had a issue with sound volume. You may want to give Volume+ a go. Great app and I have had it installed on every phone I ever owned even when I didn't need it.
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Allow me to put on my cynical, bitter, jerk hat.
You're getting old man. You can use a different ringtone file that you might have better success with. Have one you like, but it's not loud enough still?
Throw the file in audacity or some other sound editing application (for your desktop) and raise the DB gain a few points.
Presto, now you can really annoy people with the ringtone. (If you raise the DB too much, the sound will distort of course)
It seems you have a cynical edge to every post...I've been lurking around the Blaze forum for tips and all I have seen is you interjecting your opinion as gospel wherever you go.
Volume + does not work, along with several other apps...I have tried to no avail.
altering db levels has minimal effect with this phone. I imagine the audio processor clips at a certain level so regardless of the limit on the file, the internal amplifier will not allow beyond a certain level so you are pushing an overdriven input to a clipped output. I have yet to measure this, but can tell you that by adding +6db gain to an audio file, which essentially doubles the output power twice over it's existing level, the overall difference in output through the speaker is negligible where it should have been noticeable.
I imagine the changes must first take place in the phone software, which up until this point has not happened most likely due to the fact that no developers have these lesser phones.
A small lesson in decorum...advise as though you think you MAY be correct, not as though you are sure you are. Your advice MAY be far more welcomed.
Let's have an internet argument.
Cirkustanz said:
Let's have an internet argument.
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lets not...
if you dont have anything nice to say.. dont. it is not welcome on xda. <-- (period)
I think my 1st gen vibrant is louder than the blaze...just by a little though. I love how fast the blaze is though.
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I got a Blaze last week. I quickly noticed that the ringer and speakerphone volume are quite low, compared to other phones I have (Samsung Exhibit 2, Motorola Defy and Nokia C-7). I was hoping to find that my sample is defective, but after reading this thread I understand that they are all like that. I like this phone a lot, but for me it fails in the most basic functionality.

How to increase volume without volume+ or rooting

For those looking to crank a bit more volume out of the stock setup, here is an easy way, that requires no additional apps or rooting (some apps claim to work without root, but other than Volume + they are a mixed bag, with varying degrees of performance. Some plain just don't work.
Start Google Play Music App. Begin playing something you know well. Choose the menu from the top right (3 stacked blocks), and select Equalizer. Either drop the selection down to "custom" or just start raising the bands. Raise them most or all the way to the top. A "bigger" sound can be achieved with a classic "V shape (boosting the low and high frequencies, and leaving the center, 1000hz at or below midway)
Oh, then hit the "On" switch in top left corner. You will be AMAZED at the difference in sound, if you toggle it off and on a bit while playing music.
This is technically not the loudest, that can be achieved by pegging all bands to the top, but the mid-frequencies tend to sound "tinny" or "Like a small or cheap speaker" to most folks ears. By reducing it, and boosting the bottom and top frequencies you get a nicely boosted sound, though somewhat colored (an audiophile is not likely to be wowed by this type of spectrum boost, but, depending on the source material most folks like this, as it's comparable to what a "loudness" button does, and with the Infinities VERY small speakers. Yes there are 2 in there, and they are stereo, though how Asus expected to get ANY separation or any type of "sound stage" through a 1.5" x .5 " grill remains a mystery, even if they did apply some delay, echo or reverb, which I do not believe they did.
Some swear by Volume+ and I had good experiences with it on my Prime, but when something in my setup caused both Volume+. Musicfx (the built in Equalizer I just described tuning) and settings to crash every time I used it, I decided to see what I could do without it. I am quite happy wiith the boost that musicfx provides
speakers problem
Hi.
I have a problem with my speakes, from few days. I don't know if was app that change the sound because now the sound is like an old radio. I changed the equalizer, but nothing happened.
Could you help me? Anyone have the same problem?
spaker off
dnoguera said:
Hi.
I have a problem with my speakes, from few days. I don't know if it was app that change the sound because now the sound is like an old radio. I changed the equalizer, but nothing happened.
Could you help me? Anyone have the same problem?
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Hi, I discovered today that the problem was one speaker defected. At the end of the day this speaker off. Now my music is in mono.
Anyone knows how to turn on again this speaker, any solution??
dnoguera said:
Hi, I discovered today that the problem was one speaker defected. At the end of the day this speaker off. Now my music is in mono.
Anyone knows how to turn on again this speaker, any solution??
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I have a feeling that you aren't speaking of the Asus TF700T Infinity.
Are you having a problem with plug-in speakers or bluetooth speakers?
The Infinity has but one single speaker.
Is the speaker inside the Infinity working?
one of my speakers turn off
Thats OK said:
Ive a feel that you aren't speaking of the Asus TF700T Infinity.
Are you having a problem with plug-in speakers or bluetooth speakers?
The Infinity has but one single speaker.
Is the speaker inside the Infinity working?
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Hi
Yes I'm talking about TF700T infinity
No problem with the plug in.
The TF700T has two speakers in the same place. One of them turn off.
I know that because my music sound in mono insted stereo.
dnoguera said:
Hi
Yes I'm talking about TF700T infinity
No problem with the plug in.
The TF700T has two speakers in the same place. One of them turn off.
I know that because my music sound in mono insted stereo.
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Sorry,
Don't know what to tell you.
Sounds like a manufacturing defect.
Apologies to the OP for the thread hijack...
Thats OK said:
Sorry,
Don't know what to tell you.
Sounds like a manufacturing defect.
Apologies for the thread hijack Mr. SmartAs$Phone...
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That's right buddy!
Any solution?
Doesn't work globally (for me at least)
There's only one problem, from what I can see this only boosts sound via the app itself or perhaps music. I fired up a game to test this and the levels were the same as before.
The global solutions is to use the app: equilizer and do the same thing (I raise all sliders to the top). I used this on my HTC until I found a way to get volume+ to work on that.
Volume+ however, isn't compatible with JB but in any case there is a limit to how much you SHOULD risk bumping up your volume. I already get a little distortion using equilizer on the louder audio files I have, the limitation is going to be the speakers installed which can be damaged.
Unfortunately as with so many Android devices sound quality isn't a priority with manufacturers which amazes me particularly on both the HTC (targeted to audio users with a phone barely adequate in stand alone volume level / quality) and the TF700 which is a flagship tablet with price to match.
louiscar said:
There's only one problem, from what I can see this only boosts sound via the app itself or perhaps music. I fired up a game to test this and the levels were the same as before.
The global solutions is to use the app: equilizer and do the same thing (I raise all sliders to the top). I used this on my HTC until I found a way to get volume+ to work on that.
Volume+ however, isn't compatible with JB but in any case there is a limit to how much you SHOULD risk bumping up your volume. I already get a little distortion using equilizer on the louder audio files I have, the limitation is going to be the speakers installed which can be damaged.
Unfortunately as with so many Android devices sound quality isn't a priority with manufacturers which amazes me particularly on both the HTC (targeted to audio users with a phone barely adequate in stand alone volume level / quality) and the TF700 which is a flagship tablet with price to match.
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Oki doki
Thanks buddy!
You're welcome...or thank you again!
SmartAs$Phone said:
For those looking to crank a bit more volume impossible. stock setup, here is an easy way, that requires no additional apps or rooting (some apps claim to work without root, but other than Volume + they. tommixed bag, with varying degBluetooth
erformance. Some plain just don't work.
Start Google Play Music App. Begin playing something you know well. Choose the menu from the top right (3 stacked blocks), and select Equalizer. Either drop the selection down to "custom" or just start raising the bands. Raise them most or all the way to the top. A "bigger" sound can be achieved with a classic "V shape (boosting the low and high frequencies, and leaving the center, 1000hz at or below midway)
Oh, then hit the "On" switch in top left corner. You will be AMAZED at the difference in sound, if you toggle it off and on a bit while playing music.
This is technically not the loudest, that can be achieved by pegging all bands to the top, but the mid-frequencies tend to sound "tinny" or "Like a small or cheap speaker" to most folks ears. By reducing it, and boosting the bottom and top frequencies you get a nicely boosted sound, though somewhat colored (an audiophile is not likely to be wowed by this type of spectrum boost, but, depending on the source material most folks like this, as it's comparable to what a "loudness" button does, and with the Infinities VERY small speakers. Yes there are 2 in there, and they are stereo, though how Asus expected to get ANY separation or any type of "sound stage" through a 1.5" x .5 " grill remains a mystery, even if they did apply some delay, echo or reverb, which I do not believe they did.
Some swear by Volume+ and I had good experiences with it on my Prime, but when something in my setup caused both Volume+. Musicfx (the built in Equalizer I just described tuning) and settings to crash every time I used it, I decided to see what I could do without it. I am quite happy wiith the boost that musicfx provides
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Trying to respond to this using the Infinity and Dolphin browser is almost impossible. No hitting spacebar twice to end a sentence. Messes everything up big time!! It has a real hard time dealing with the code i guess. Might be a good time to try another browser.

[Q] Skyrocket Low Earpiece Volume Question

My Skyrocket has always had low earpiece volume. It sounds normal until I get in a noisy environment, then I have to press my ear totally against the phone which barely helps. My wife's Galaxy s2 i777 has louder volume and doesn't have this problem. I have tried all the available roms for my device to no avail. Is this normal for this phone, and if so, is there anything I can do to fix this problem? Any app that will work? I love this phone as it meets all my needs except for the volume. Thanks for your help!
edit: i bought this phones 2 months ago from Ebay. I researched it before i bought it, but the main issues others had with the skyrocket was the battery life with LTE. Well, the battery life has been great after custom rom, But the volume is terrible. I first thought i was sold a defective phone but then i found out that others had the same problem, but no solutions. Even all the volume boosts apps that work on other phones (for reasons WAY above my pay grade) do not work on our skyrocket.
...Anybody?... I know this problem of low earpiece volume is common with the skyrocket and has been brought up on many different forums, but I have not found anyone who has found a way to resolve the problem. Any help or direction would be appreciated. This trouble exist with both stock and custom roms.
still no answers?...sigh...
Well, I have replaced the earspeaker and the problem still persists. To clarify, the speaker is not as low as it was when Beanstalk 4.4 was going thru its growing pains and the volume level dropped after one of the builds a month or so ago. It is just that standing outside with normal outdoor sounds (occasional traffic, birds tweeting, outdoor noises) ihave to hold my ear directly against the speaker. I dont have that problem with my wife's s2 i777
Well, a month has passed with no replies. I have found that the volume level is good when using a headset to answer calls, so I have resorted to trying to be sure to carry earbuds with me. On the rare occasion that I dont have earbuds are the days I dread having this phone. As I us my phone for work, I need it to work as a phone first, and a smartphone secondary. As I stated before, I love the features of this phone, but there has to be a workaround for the volume levels. Maybe I'm just getting old and you young folks dont use the phone to actually speak to each other. Woah! Who let my dad in the room?!!? Anyway, Still looking for help. I am not asking which rom is better than another, but are there any roms that have louder volume levels? I have tried many here including Beanstalk, Dirty Unicorns, Liquid Smooth, Sultans CM 11...
crad614 said:
Well, a month has passed with no replies. I have found that the volume level is good when using a headset to answer calls, so I have resorted to trying to be sure to carry earbuds with me. On the rare occasion that I dont have earbuds are the days I dread having this phone. As I us my phone for work, I need it to work as a phone first, and a smartphone secondary. As I stated before, I love the features of this phone, but there has to be a workaround for the volume levels. Maybe I'm just getting old and you young folks dont use the phone to actually speak to each other. Woah! Who let my dad in the room?!!? Anyway, Still looking for help. I am not asking which rom is better than another, but are there any roms that have louder volume levels? I have tried many here including Beanstalk, Dirty Unicorns, Liquid Smooth, Sultans CM 11...
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Bean Stalk comes with am app called DSP manager which helps control volumes for bluetooth headsets. Give that a shot. It may just be your headset
harrisd23 said:
Bean Stalk comes with am app called DSP manager which helps control volumes for bluetooth headsets. Give that a shot. It may just be your headset
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The headset isn't the problem. The phone sounds great thru all the headsets that I have tried and thru the loudspeaker. The low volume level is when I am not using the headset and actually have to place my ear up to the phone(earpiece speaker). Its usable in normal areas, such as inside a room, but standing outside with normal background sounds like nature and light road traffic, I can barely hear the caller. I have to press my ear against the phone pretty hard, which usually ends up with accidental button presses and hangups.
crad614 said:
The headset isn't the problem. The phone sounds great thru all the headsets that I have tried and thru the loudspeaker. The low volume level is when I am not using the headset and actually have to place my ear up to the phone(earpiece speaker). Its usable in normal areas, such as inside a room, but standing outside with normal background sounds like nature and light road traffic, I can barely hear the caller. I have to press my ear against the phone pretty hard, which usually ends up with accidental button presses and hangups.
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Oh i understand, yes I have had that same issue which is why i bought a blue tooth headset.... Not sure if programming can do anything about the internal speaker.
harrisd23 said:
Oh i understand, yes I have had that same issue which is why i bought a blue tooth headset.... Not sure if programming can do anything about the internal speaker.
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Yeah, I was kinda hoping that maybe somebody discovered something that solve this. I don't know anything about programming, but I was thinking that back when beanstalk had those troubles with extra low volume, it was eventually fixed. And since he was able to boost the volume back to correct levels maybe it could be boosted just a little bit more. Or Since DSP works with bluetooth speakers and headphones and external speakers it seems like it would be easy to make it boost the earpiece volume. But I know that it is NOT easy...it may be impossible. If it was easy then there would have been a fix long ago. But a man can hope, can't he?

Minimum volume of internal speakers way too loud

I had several Android phones in the last years, but the OnePlus 7 Pro's minimum volume of the internal speakers is way louder than on any other phone.
For me it's even way too loud. I regularly listen to podcasts in bed when my wife is right next to me and it's too loud to not disturb her.
I found several apps for boosting the volume, but is there any app that decreases it?
Headphones
Too uncomfortable when in bed and I often fall asleep while listening to podcasts. Otherwise I would have done it already...
I can't tell if this is a joke thread or not
No joke. Just google my issue and you'll find several threads for different OnePlus devices. I'm not the only one.
My guess would be you needa custom rom that increases the volume steps. Or maybe ask in one of the magisk rom threads if the developr is able to add that funcionality. More steps would possibly give you a lower low setting.
Thanks, but I don't want to use a custom rom (camera, drm,...). Seems like I have to live with it then.
I am with OP. I had the same problem with the HTC phone with 1st gen Boom sound. Its audio was great but the lowest volume was too loud for night listening. It seems the Oneplus engineers are like HTC's who didn't bother to adjust the audio profile when they switch from one speaker to two. Samsung Galaxy never had this issue.
In the case of HTC there was no fix until I switched to Cynogen where the audio volume increments were much finer than stock. I think each click in the Oneplus7Pro stock is 3% increment and unfortunately it is impossible to go from 3% to 1% in volume slider using one's finger.
There are many games i play and sometimes videos are too loud at the lowest volume. I learned to live with it. And yes this is for quiet time but dont want or cant wear headphones.
I also realized that. Its pretty loud compared to my Op5T or OPO I had. But its not that big of an issue for me
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
My suggestion: Please open a ticket via the OnePlus' Community app feedback function. The more user report this, the better. Maybe OnePlus will consider additional volume steps then.
Or just go to sleep without listening to a phone in bed? Always an option
leegreenaway said:
Or just go to sleep without listening to a phone in bed? Always an option
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I love comments like this.
Your watch strap is too narrow? Carry it in hand. Always an option.
You can't afford a breakfast? Go to work without one. Always an option.
PatSend said:
I love comments like this.
Your watch strap is too narrow? Carry it in hand. Always an option.
You can't afford a breakfast? Go to work without one. Always an option.
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Those are some good options...keep them coming
PatSend said:
I had several Android phones in the last years, but the OnePlus 7 Pro's minimum volume of the internal speakers is way louder than on any other phone.
For me it's even way too loud. I regularly listen to podcasts in bed when my wife is right next to me and it's too loud to not disturb her.
I found several apps for boosting the volume, but is there any app that decreases it?
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Same it is "loud" on lowest setting
Same for me, too loud.
I already sent a ticket about that, as a suggestion if I remember, we just have to wait for the devs if they care about it.
I also reported that sometimes I have "double sound notification", maybe the stereo is not synced well.
There is a little shift.
Also, seems kinda loud ...
For now custom ROMs are the best options. Google Cam is better than One Plus cam anyway and game mode can be achieved with many apps. Think about it, what really make you stay on OnePlus ROMs ? OxygenOS is not far from stock but have a lot of issues like this.

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