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One more problem for my Sensation...
am I the only one who has his cpu always at maximum clock speed with almost any governor (except conservative), when the screen in on (when off it goes to minimum clock as it should), and there is minimum cpu usage?
I tried the latest ARHD (stable) and InsertCoin, the issue seems kernel independent as going stock or with another custom one changes nothing.
After wiping and flashing all seems good. After restoring my backups all seems good. A few hours later the issue starts and removing or freezing the apps does not solve anything.
Battery life is still decent, but this does not happen with my DHD or any other phone I previously had, so I'm a bit puzzled. My Current Widget readings are a mess so I cannot use them to understand if I can fully ignore the issue or not.
UPDATE:
Nevermind, seems that cat-ting the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq while connecting to adb ramps up the cpu so fast that it seems already at high clock! I must have been confused by the fact that when System Panel shows the clock, it is always high because of the app's "weight"...
I installed @dwitherell's TweakStock 1.4 on my Charge about 5 weeks ago, and I've mostly been happy with it. The one problem I kept running into was deteriorating performance over time, leading to frequent hard lockups requiring hard reboots. I'd gotten to the point where I needed to reboot the phone nearly every day. Having multiple active apps also tended to cause problems, for example Cardiotrainer + Rhapsody music.
Sometimes when the lag hit I was able to get a CPU usage report before the phone fully locked up. At such times I'd see kswapd0 eating a large portion of CPU. That suggested memory problems. I tried tweaking my OOM kill thresholds, to no avail.
This morning, based on some research, I took a look through my build.prop and noticed that this ROM's default VM heap size is a whopping 72MB. That sounded very high, compared to my previous phones where it was 24-32MB. I installed the VM Heap tool, knocked the heap size down to 48MB, and rebooted. My phone has been running as smooth as silk since, even with multiple simultaneously active apps running.
I'll keep watching to see how this holds up over time, but the difference even over a few hours is noticeable enough that I thought I'd report my findings right away. Regrettably, XDA discriminates against new members, so I can't post into the TweakStock developer thread as I would prefer. HTH!
thanks for the tip... just installed Eclipse, at its VM is 48MB.
tweakstock was running great for me though, so real problems like you said. my only problem (minor) was my Scrabble app being such a battery and data hog...
Thanks for the tip -- I had noticed this too, will give it a try. Though I'm on a different version of TweakStock I noticed the heap size is 72 here as well. Trying 48 for a while... will chime in if there's improvement.
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It is likely set high because it was found that increasing the VM heap size helped curb hot boots on heavily modified ROMs.
Interesting, thanks for the history @imnuts! I did encounter the hot boot issues some months back on earlier iterations of Gingerbread ROMs for the Charge. I will keep an eye out for hot boots to see if my 48Mb VM heap size is too low, or swap lag if it is still too high. Perhaps we will all have to try to find the best heap size for our usage patterns, as there may be no best one-size-fits-all setting.
Can't remember where, but I think I once read something that said 40 MB is the absolute best size to go with for a variety of reasons. For what that's worth...
Back on tweak stock.... can I just edit the build.prop or do I have to download VM heap?
Thanks!
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jco23 said:
Back on tweak stock.... can I just edit the build.prop or do I have to download VM heap?
Thanks!
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Just set the value in the build.prop.
jco23 said:
Back on tweak stock.... can I just edit the build.prop or do I have to download VM heap?
Thanks!
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Only change back only when you have issue. I currently using 72m since day one and it's working fine, super fast launching apps.
Fwiw stock settings are 64
Was so thrilled to see this recommendation, as I observed that my phone is really struggling to memory, and then kswapd0 kicks in. Tried to change it to 48MB, then to 64MB. Did not see any improvements. It looks like all apps get pre-loaded into memory, and once free memory hits less than ~80MB, the phone becomes sluggish. Once I kill all apps, the phone is back to normal snappy lag-free operation. Free memory at that point is around 135MB. This is even worse when I insert the phone into car dock. Re-draw takes about 5-7 seconds, swiping is about 2-3 seconds. In few moments it becomes ok, but still laggy.
No problems here
Been on TS1.4 w/ PBJ for about a month now, everything is still as snappy as day one. Thought I was having issues at one point but it turned out it was actually an app, Stitcher Radio, that was eating CPU and draining battery (even though I never launched it). I've over/under clocked with SetCPU at various times but never messed with the voltages.
Nonetheless, thanks to OP for this little tidbit, I'll remember it if I ever start experiencing problems.
ddavv said:
Was so thrilled to see this recommendation, as I observed that my phone is really struggling to memory, and then kswapd0 kicks in. Tried to change it to 48MB, then to 64MB. Did not see any improvements. It looks like all apps get pre-loaded into memory, and once free memory hits less than ~80MB, the phone becomes sluggish. Once I kill all apps, the phone is back to normal snappy lag-free operation. Free memory at that point is around 135MB. This is even worse when I insert the phone into car dock. Re-draw takes about 5-7 seconds, swiping is about 2-3 seconds. In few moments it becomes ok, but still laggy.
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ddavv, sorry it didn't work for you. Some of the other things I've done to my Charge to help with the lag:
Changed io scheduler to bfq (from sio)
Tweaked my memory manager kill thresholds to 6,8,20,28,32,40 (WIP, YMMV!)
Removed some apps that kept heavy services in memory all the time, e.g. Accuweather & Lookout Security, and streaming media services I didn't use much (Last.fm, Slacker)
Turned off Google location services to stop the k3g_wq CPU runaway bug (this may be fixed in Google Maps > 6.4.0)
Switched to ADW.Launcher
Trimmed widgets I wasn't using frequently (down from 20 to 15)
I still do get a bit of lag after the phone has run for a while, so daily reboots are still a good idea for me - but I'm slowly improving my situation. I'm probably going to take a few hours to do a full wipe & reload once the FP1 ROMs start dropping, and be much more careful about indiscriminate app restoring from Titanium Backup this time. Good luck!
Hi, all!
Some people, like me, may have downloaded a cpu-monitor app like System Tuner then notice their second cpu (cpu1) always appears offline.
First off, I recently realized that that is often inacurate. Using another app like SystemPanel would show both cpus being online, and more importantly, checking sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online would show it's "1" indicating online. Many cpu app's inability to read cpu1's info is because "cpufreq" folder is missing from cpu1 folder (if you check cpu0's cpufreq folder it's always there).
K, now also, some poeple like me, thought cpu1 was really offline, and used System Tuner's "Force all cpus online" option, and viola, after reboot the second cpu showed up. But why? Cuz a "cpufreq" folder is found in cpu1 again.
What is interesting is both files "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus" would show "0 1" meaning the two cores are in sync and if you change settings(freq,governor,etc) for one core it automatically changes the other.
Now here's the tricky part, however after the tablet goes to sleep, when I wake it, cpu1's "cpufreq" folder would disappear again, meaning Sytem Tuner would show cpu1 agains as "offline". But if you chekc "online" file in folder you'll see it's still online ("1") and SystemPanes still shows cpu1 activity. However "affected_cpus" and "realated_cpus" will show only "0" meaning the two cores are no longer in sync.
Conclusion: so far what I deduced is my tablet in its default state has both cores online, but are off-sync. After turning on "Force all cpus online" and rebooting, they are both online and in-sync. After the device goes to sleep and wake, the two cores are still online but now off-sync.
The important thing about this investigation is how much it affects 3D performance. I was always confused why my device lags with a aged-game like Counter Strike portable but is perfectly smooth in a consol-quality game like Mass Effect Infiltrator. My current thought is Mass Effect acttively tweaks your cpu while most other games leave cpus as they are.
Benchmarking (using market benchmark apps):
(First off, the FPS difference may seem small but in running the actual games for some reason it made a enormous difference, often the difference between crashing and not crashing/playable or unplayable in Nova3/Shadowgun)
Default, newly flashed rom: FPS :33 (Some games fail to load graphics properly for some unknown reason)
Turn on "Force all cpus online" with Sys Tuner: FPS 39-40 (All games are silky smooth, no errors, tablet temp hotter)
"Force cpus online", then after wake from sleep: FPS: 33-34 (not as smooth before sleep, but games generally load properly)
**Switching my cpu0 gonernor to the same governor I think cpu1 is using: FPS 35-37 (no errors, almost as smooth as "Force cpus online")
Here's a crappy surprise --Cpu1 off (turn off dual core): FPS: 39. (Completely smooth, zero errors, hottest tablet temp)
**after cpufreq folder disappears from cpu1 I cannot be sure which governor cpu1 is using, but checked with Kernel Tuner and believe the system switch it back to "performance2" which is a governor foudn in my tablet.(it it not like "performance" governor) upthresh 60 downthresh 30 freqstep 5.
Conclusion:
This leads me to the conclusion that having both cpus online does not necessarily improve performance, but if the two cpus are off-sync it definitely BUTCHERS performance. It does so so badly that running one core is actually better.
Need help:
I hope the info so far may helped some people, but the help I also really need is someone to tell me how are "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus" controled by the system? So far I had no sccucess modding their values and forcing cpus to "sync". I enter "0 1" but it doesn't go through. Since having the cpus in sync seems to give good performance and lower temp (single core was good but temp was noticeably high), I want my cpu cores to remain in sync, but currently it undoes the sync after waking from sleep. I need to understand how and why the system somtimes decides to coordinate both cpus synchronously so both cpus appear under "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus"?
Thanks to anyone for reading!
I am trying to figure all of this out myself and will be performing more tests after I root. Thank you for the info!
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exactly same problem here
cpu: AML8726-MX
rom: 4.1.1 official from tabulet beat duos
setting cpu governor for all cores irrespective of their online status
i am stuck at the inability of kernel to allow a one point settting of scaling_governor for all cores. I tried with a for loop to echo, in each core's
cpufreq module, a scaling governor, but failed for offline cores as they have no cpufreq folder when they are offline. I tested cpu tuner app and it does the above said amazingly well. I would like to request anyone to help me in knowing,
how to programatically set cpu governor to all cores irrespective of their online status?
thanking all.
shavi
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oijjio said:
Hi, all!
Some people, like me, may have downloaded a cpu-monitor app like System Tuner then notice their second cpu (cpu1) always appears offline.
First off, I recently realized that that is often inacurate. Using another app like SystemPanel would show both cpus being online, and more importantly, checking sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online would show it's "1" indicating online. Many cpu app's inability to read cpu1's info is because "cpufreq" folder is missing from cpu1 folder (if you check cpu0's cpufreq folder it's always there).
K, now also, some poeple like me, thought cpu1 was really offline, and used System Tuner's "Force all cpus online" option, and viola, after reboot the second cpu showed up. But why? Cuz a "cpufreq" folder is found in cpu1 again.
What is interesting is both files "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus" would show "0 1" meaning the two cores are in sync and if you change settings(freq,governor,etc) for one core it automatically changes the other.
Now here's the tricky part, however after the tablet goes to sleep, when I wake it, cpu1's "cpufreq" folder would disappear again, meaning Sytem Tuner would show cpu1 agains as "offline". But if you chekc "online" file in folder you'll see it's still online ("1") and SystemPanes still shows cpu1 activity. However "affected_cpus" and "realated_cpus" will show only "0" meaning the two cores are no longer in sync.
Conclusion: so far what I deduced is my tablet in its default state has both cores online, but are off-sync. After turning on "Force all cpus online" and rebooting, they are both online and in-sync. After the device goes to sleep and wake, the two cores are still online but now off-sync.
The important thing about this investigation is how much it affects 3D performance. I was always confused why my device lags with a aged-game like Counter Strike portable but is perfectly smooth in a consol-quality game like Mass Effect Infiltrator. My current thought is Mass Effect acttively tweaks your cpu while most other games leave cpus as they are.
Benchmarking (using market benchmark apps):
(First off, the FPS difference may seem small but in running the actual games for some reason it made a enormous difference, often the difference between crashing and not crashing/playable or unplayable in Nova3/Shadowgun)
Default, newly flashed rom: FPS :33 (Some games fail to load graphics properly for some unknown reason)
Turn on "Force all cpus online" with Sys Tuner: FPS 39-40 (All games are silky smooth, no errors, tablet temp hotter)
"Force cpus online", then after wake from sleep: FPS: 33-34 (not as smooth before sleep, but games generally load properly)
**Switching my cpu0 gonernor to the same governor I think cpu1 is using: FPS 35-37 (no errors, almost as smooth as "Force cpus online")
Here's a crappy surprise --Cpu1 off (turn off dual core): FPS: 39. (Completely smooth, zero errors, hottest tablet temp)
**after cpufreq folder disappears from cpu1 I cannot be sure which governor cpu1 is using, but checked with Kernel Tuner and believe the system switch it back to "performance2" which is a governor foudn in my tablet.(it it not like "performance" governor) upthresh 60 downthresh 30 freqstep 5.
Conclusion:
This leads me to the conclusion that having both cpus online does not necessarily improve performance, but if the two cpus are off-sync it definitely BUTCHERS performance. It does so so badly that running one core is actually better.
Need help:
I hope the info so far may helped some people, but the help I also really need is someone to tell me how are "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus" controled by the system? So far I had no sccucess modding their values and forcing cpus to "sync". I enter "0 1" but it doesn't go through. Since having the cpus in sync seems to give good performance and lower temp (single core was good but temp was noticeably high), I want my cpu cores to remain in sync, but currently it undoes the sync after waking from sleep. I need to understand how and why the system somtimes decides to coordinate both cpus synchronously so both cpus appear under "affected_cpus" and "related_cpus"?
Thanks to anyone for reading![/QUOTthats exactly what happens i reboot,both run i check it again later its offline or uneven,,,,you say tuner,, which tuner are you implying to? Thank u
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Is there any speed-governor app for the Xoom that can be configured to lock the CPU to 1000MHz whenever the soft input area is active (or better yet, whenever Graffiti input is active), and/or a way to increase the digitizer sample rate?
Historically, Graffiti has been totally unusable on my Xoom. Literally, so low of a sample rate, and so many errors, that I just couldn't use it. I finally got around to unlocking and reflashing my Xoom to CM10 last night, and locking the CPU to 1000MHz makes it work a lot better... but the accuracy is still a cruel joke compared to even my creaky, old Hero overclocked to 711MHz.
It's pretty sad, actually. On the Hero, the digitizer seems to be reporting samples at least 4-16 times as often, and I can get nearly 100% accuracy without even trying. On the Xoom locked to max speed, it seems to do a tiny bit better than my S3 gets with stock, but the sample rate still appears to be absurdly low compared to what it was on the Hero, and feedback seems to lag the actual touch by at least 100-200ms. On the Hero, feedback was literally instant... stroke, and see the pixels turn white INSTANTLY under my fingertip. On the Xoom (locked to max), they start turning white a fraction of a second after I touch the screen, and I can see the last bit of the stroke render a fraction of a second after I lift my finger away. With the stock Xoom rom, it was more like, "draw the character, and see a jagged impression of it sputter into existence about a half-second later... maybe, MAYBE even getting recognized correctly about 70% of the time".
I'm guessing that either the Xoom's digitizer has a limited sample rate, or something in the kernel or driver is limiting the sample rate... but I'm still trying to find a straight answer somewhere about whether/how you can build a custom kernel without losing your ability to run paid Market apps. Or whether it's even necessary to go to that extreme, as opposed to something like a setting that tells Android to increase the sample rate, or not throttle the CPU when an input area is active, or maybe a way to let something like SetCPU identify "soft input area active" as a profile-triggering condition. I'm also pretty sure that the Xoom's kernel (if not recent versions of Android itself) try to treat the existence of a soft input area as an excuse to massively throttle the CPU, on the theory that it's just displaying a picture of a keyboard and waiting for a blunt press. HOWEVER, I'm SURE there HAS to be an equally-official way of defeating that behavior, if only because it would also screw up Android's ability to handle east Asian input methods.
When I use ANY CPU control app on ANY ROM on my D850, the set CPU min and max frequencies are reported as a random interval between 300 and 960MHz, and the only way to get it to go back up is to restart the phone and apply as soon as I start it. I can hit apply 100 times in a row, and the frequencies set are different each time. The min is always 300, but the max is completely random.
The different integrated CPU control apps in ROMs simply don't work at all, that's why I'm using a 3rd party app.
Any ideas? My performance has been absolutely terrible randomly on and off since I installed candy5 a few months ago. Most of the time it's fine, but sometimes it's so frustrating it takes a lot to not throw my phone into a concrete wall.
I had the same problem you had until I used fauxclock. It's expensive but it worked for me. I also own a D850.