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Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
I'm a "Wooter" and came over here to get info on ROM/firmware builds for the device. I'm a current unhacked Archos 70 owner, and have had Samsung Captivate and HTC Evo 4G as well.
I haven't really seen _much_ condescension from this community on the Woot influx. Just some tongue-in-cheek "there goes the neighborhood" and "here come the n00bs" stuff.
I'm ready to admit that I am a n00b with the Viewsonic device, but welcome any help and "ROMs for Dummies" tutorials from this community.
My device should be here on Tuesday, so I hope to see a built and optimized 2.3 firmware package by Wednesday. :-D
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
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That may be somewhat true but when I first bought my GTab and I got it from Office Depot and came to this thread I experienced the same unfriendly treatment. Most are just trying to learn and better GTab. Not here for confrontation, argument or unnecessary challenge.
To the original poster, I get what you are saying and don't feel singled out because you are Woot. Some here don't make newcomers feel welcome. Why I don't know. After awhile (and it should not exist at all) it tapers off, hopefully for you more sooner than later. Enjoy your GTab.
I'm a wooter, too. My woot gtab should arrive tomorrow. That said, you have to admit that the woot deal is probably the single factor that brought/will bring a significant higher people to this site. And please understand that many of us have spent years dealing with the non-tech savy. We know how the typical non-tech savy behave.
What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
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I was a Wooter long before I joined XDA - don't worry, it's an acceptable term and we wear it with pride.
Btw, I have NEVER managed to snag a Bandolier of Carrots - always a bridesmaid, never a bride.....
ArkansasRazorbacks said:
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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I know this is off topic but couldn't help and notice you're a Razorbacks fan. Good to see another Arkansas guy here on the forums. Where are you located? I'm in Conway right now attending UCA. I'm also another wooter waiting for his G-Tablet!
Maybe us Wooters could be put to use. I'd be glad to donate some time to work on a wiki, for example, although I've never actually put one together. Surely there is something that new board members could do.
Sorry for the long post but I must echo the sentiments of others. It is not the intent of most to make new members feel unwelcome, as I can remember when I first got the Gtabs for my wife and myself after finding the community support of XDA. Even in the smaller Gtab/XDA community, members had problems and needed to be helped, many would not use the search function and just ask repeatedly about issues that had already been addressed and resolved. Now that Android tablets are coming to light with the heavily advertised Xoom, the fear is simply that thanks to the overwhelming response to WOOT the common questions will appear again and again as our great forums expand to receive more and more new members. I'm sure that there is no animosity or malice intended, just an attempt to make new members aware of possible pitfalls and resolutions. More users will make this forum and the Gtab better and better.
Welcome to all
I don't think the majority of the users are treating Wooters as idiots, just trying to make their Gtab experience a good one. R emember that when most of us started adding ROMs there weren't several stock builds and several dozen flavors of ROMs to choose from. Also the users that experienced severe interaction problems were bleeding edge guys who expected issues and were willing to work through them. Based on many of the new owners questions, many are expecting to load a new ROM and have an ipad killer. As you read the rooting instructions don't skip the " Risk" section.
Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
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Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Lol, I was one of those answering questions and pushing people sitting on the fense over into our yard.
Great device- Great people here Talked work into picking up 9 for the techs .
Selling my personal one and picking up a xoom (got a work one comming now )
I have seen the n00b bashing on this forum before... Sometimes I sympathise with both sides though....
I have seen where the whole first page is 75% I have bricked my tablet HELP!!! and then someone else posts same thing again....
Other times I have seen a single Help post only to be met with USE THE SEARCH N00b!!!... When the issue actually wasn't something answered completely before..
SO I think we all need to take a chill pill (except Roebeet, He is totally exempt and allowed to throw a fit if he wants he he) And just deal with answering the same question 5k times . The returns from it should be pretty good. The larger the community the more developers etc we will also inherit
I am a fellow wooter and am looking forward to getting my G tablet tomorrow. I was pretty intent on doing a mod but with recent posts I am re considering that decision. I just hope that Honeycomb is released for the device eventually, although I will not hold my breath.
Roebeet, I think you should look at this as an opportunity. I have not even received my tablet yet but I have already donated $5 to you. There are over 10,000 new owners who could all use your advice and your expertice. If they all do the same you could have a nice side career. I hope I will never have to bother you for any assitance. I think I will stay stock for a while and then maybe I will try a ROM. I am not a total newb, I did manage to successfully root my Droid and install Gingerbread, but I am always squeamish about modding devices. You can fail a heck of lot easier than you can succeed. But if I do ever need help I think that you are the guy!
Think I am more on the fence about modding also due to the low cost of thbis tablet. If you do something to it you cant return it for a new one at woot. Woot doesnt really do returns easy and if they do take it back you get your money back not a new one. then if you want another you will have to get lucky looking for another deal ( like at Tiger Direct this weekend) or buy one for $400. For me thats too risky to just play around with it.
ALso as for honeycomb on here. Probally a better chance that it will happen considering that there are 10-15 thousand more G Tablet owners now then there were last week. They dont support devices for long if they dont sell but this G tablet is now a big seller. * Woot-Circut Ciity-Tiger Direct etc).
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My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Well I think those who might feel that way, need to do a reality check. It is really is hard being a noob and everyone starts out as one.
Yes, I am a deal hunter but hardly an uninformed consumer. Hopefully people are aware of what they are getting themselves in for, but true there will be some who have no clue.
From what I have seen/read, the seniors and mods have been good and fair, but like other blogs, the search sucks and people get scared/frustrated so patience and education will be required. It's tough reading a zillion posts to find an answer.
Just my two cents.
FYI I've been a software developer for 25+ years and was literally doing ROMs (as in burning images to silicon) before the idea of smart phones or tablets existed. I worked at a small company named "Poqet Computer" (hence the poqeteer alias), the first pocket sized PC. Unfortunately it was way before its time and like other startups... Died. Also unfortunately that has very little to do with this piece of hardware... So please be kind to this and all other noobs.
- Lance.
I haven't decided what I plan to do about my GTAB yet, but I have decided on what I plan to do about my participation here in the GTAB section on XDA - I am retiring my GTAB XDA mods after this weekend. Most likely, they will be moved to, including TwoTapsX which I plan to reactivate for at least the short term. I will probably lurk here and post, but I won't be an active modder - I will do that on. Basically, I will do the same thing here that I do on Xoom forum, on XDA.
Basically, my character has been attacked repeatedly, in the last month -- two people even went so far as to say that they only reason I make threads here (i.e. my recent Viewsonic one) is so I can incite people and then convince them to give me more donations. Anyone who's been around long enough knows how long it took me to even accept donations, as I was always very hesitant. As a music lover, I actually mentioned one of the things I purchased with everyone's generosity, and some people obviously thought I was "rubbing it in" (I'm using their words). But I was really just doing it to say "thank you".
First off, if you agree with this assessment of my character and you did send me a donation, please PM me with your email address and I will refund whatever donation you had sent to me, with no questions asked. If you feel you made a mistake, then I certainly don't want to keep your money.
I had actually pulled my donations page yesterday before today's blowout, but obviously there are people here who think I still have ulterior motives in what I do. If this were my day job and someone attacked me in this way, I would take this very personally and this is no different. I am very hurt by these negative remarks and if it wasn't for the users here, I would just pack up and leave without even saying anything - but that's not fair to you, if you use my mods.
Besides the insinuation that I only incite people to get donations, I've also been attacked that I don't frequent the IRC enough when users have issues with my mods (in other words, that I don't do enough post-production support). Also that my concerns about the new Woot! users last month were unfounded and that nothing needed to be done (yes, I got a lot of flack for those remarks - @Woot users, what I did was asked for a FAQ or updated Wiki so that way when the users came pouring in they wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over) and that my latest posts about Viewsonic are just "whining" (again, exact words) that have no place here. And lastly that when I get upset that my character is being attacked, that I'm just overreacting and should just "calm down".
Why am I writing all this? Because I just want everyone here to know the reason WHY I'm doing this.
Now assuming that the moderators don't ban me outright because of my comments here, my plan is to wind things down this weekend. I will setup threads in with TNT Lite, gADAM and TwoTapsX, and then just link from here to there. And if the mods don't want me to do that, then I will just erase my first posts and just write that they've been moved to, and that will be the end of it.
I want to apologize to everyone who doesn't completely understand my reasons for doing this. My mods will still exist, but this way XDA can disavow all knowledge of what I do, if they see fit to. As for my recent threads, I will take a backseat from now on and treat myself as a low-activity user. I will still post, but again not as an active modder, and assuming I don't end up getting banned of course.
I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?
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I'm sorry to hear about this. I honestly thought you were one of the most loved devs here. Regardless of what others say, I still love you.
Anyway, I donated $300,000. Can I have it back?
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I needed a good laugh, right about now.
Don't leave
Seriously though, whoever's been harassing you is insane.
Donations aren't mandatory, I don't get why someone would have a problem with you having a place to accept donations. You're putting hard time and effort into something that you're receiving no guaranteed compensation for.
With that being said, you shouldn't leave because two people are being clowns. The Woot / Tiger Direct / cheaper sales of this tablet elsewhere have brought in a new audience, of which a small (but sizable) percentage are morons. Modders here are having to put huge cigarette-size warning labels on their mods because people are mindlessly bricking their tablets, a whole slew of stupid, repeatedly answered questions have been posted, posting in wrong forums... this has just started about a month or two ago.
Consider staying, please. Shirk off the animals, they're not worth your frustration. I'll follow your postings wherever you are, I just want you to stay here because of how strong the community is, and you're a big part of it.
i pretty new to the whole seen, only having brought my gtab bout 2 mos ago. i purchased it because of finding and reading xda. ive modded alot of stuff in the past (xbox, psp, razors etc) and havent done any modding since the older i got the lazier i got. i dont know you roebeet but i gotta tell ya, there are ALOT of trolls on xda. alot. if someone called you out over some nonsense then i dont blame ya for migrating, as i much like you it seems, have little patience for nonsense. i will prob lurk on over to those other sites, because quite frankly, im impressed and enjoy the work you do. as well as gojimi and the others. trolls suck. im behind ya 100%, peace!
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Robeet
I am deeply saddened to see you leave this group. I have appreciated your support and insight for sdeveral months. It was your talent that inspired me to do my first mods.
You have my greatest admiration and respect for what you have accomplished here and will be truly missed.
Hate to see you step back but I fully understand!... Thanks for keeping me from regretting buying this viewsonic supportless device... (last product i buy from them)
L8r
If you leave, the trolls win. Don't do it!
Sorry to hear this.. But so far i am loving your TNTLite 4.40 no issues and no problems.. I hope we all can still get your mods going forward.
I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.
I do not blame you at all. XDA in general has been full of morons as of late and they are pushing away devs who end up starting their own forums. Read some of @shift on twitter, he is an EVO dev.
Your work is appreciated, do not think otherwise. Thanks for your help an we will follow.
Did not now we had a "corporate XDA" <-sory Joke
Come to the Xoom side! I'm buying mine tonight
Roebeet, your work will be missed. I think anyone thinking you post to incite anger and solicit donations is just trying to do some mud slinging. I for one will follow your work wherever it goes.
Hi Robeet, I'm definitely saddened by this but understand decisions sometimes need to be made to keep our own sanity. Thank you for everything you have done, it is much appreciated. Hopefully we'll see you around.
I am a woot buyer and one of the reasons I had the confidence to make my purchase was because of your comments. And now, when I'm quickly perusing posts, whenever I see something from you, I will always read it in its entirety.
I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and the effort you have put forth to make my gTab ownership a great experience. I also respect that fact that you have opinions and are certainly entitled to them. I'm sure it's hard to ignore the negative forces that exist in this forum. I wish you would try.
Please reconsider your position.
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Are you going to be posting all your Roms and Mods and updates and instructions under the Gtablet section on slatedroid website for future ones that u come out with. Just want to stay with you and make sure that i stay upto date with all your releases.
sad to hear...
Sorry to hear about this. I haven't publicly thanked you for your contributions to this tab so I want to do it now. Thanks!!! I have used all of your ROMs at one time or another.
Please reconsider and stay here 100%!!!
Sorry to hear this Roe...
I for one am someone that bought the gTab from Woot and have felt that you, above anyone else, has been out here trying to help folks.
I donated to ya based on your help to myself and others, not because of your ROM. You deserve the respect, IMHO.
If what you say is true (and I believe it is) and I were in your shoes, I would be even more driven to excel here as a dev. You're a good egg, Roe, from what I have seen here and over at Woot. I feel bad for those that are given you a hard time. Jealousy is not sexy.
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I'm not going to name names (as that's not professional) but it's not casual users that are attacking me. They have a very heavy presence here, and on the IRC. They are not trolls.
This is also not a knee-jerk reaction - this started last month after TNT Lite 5 and has been slowly coming to a head, over the least few weeks. It just came to blows finally, today.
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they may not be trolls, but there certainly are alot of them.
After reading the the 12 pages over in Viewsonic's Facebook Discussion section on the gTablet support, I came away with the idea that what we need is a single united voice to get Viewsonic attention.
facebook.com/topic.php?uid=58738271675&topic=18712
While many has already blog, tweet and post in forums to show how unhappy they are with the way Viewsonic has treated the gTablet, a single united campaign will hopefully get the attention of online (and maybe offline) media. This would lead to positive PR for the gTablet hardware and negative PR for the company. Hopefully, it will show them the true popularity of the device and get them to reconsider abandoning it for something newer.
I've created a Facebook page to get us started.
facebook.com/pages/Viewsonic-gTablet-Owners-Unite/115515855214154
I welcome any input, help, advise, suggestion etc..
A small update.
Almost a week have pass since the launch of the Viewsonic gTablet Onwers Unite Facebook page and we have nearly 40 people responded. It's a great start but we need more people. Please Like the page if you have not already done so and share it with anyone you know who own a gTablet or looking to get one.
Our goal is NOT to discourage people from buying the gTablet as more units sold translate to a bigger user base. If nothing else, the popularity (=sale figure) would be the one thing Viewsonic cannot ignore.
Join us @
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they wont give a rat crap about you. The only way they will listen is to get the general public attention.
Spike, that is the purpose of the Facebook page. It require minimal commitment from people. All they have to do is click the Like button. People who wish to be more involve and post and spread the words etc..
And we have 91 members now.
Anyway, last night it came to that while many have said that the only way for Viewsonic to listen is hit them where it hurt the most, through their sales. So I've started a companion page to Viewsonic gTablet Owners Unite called I Switched from Viewsonic. This page is to help register the people who are boycotting the Viewsonic brand. To get all those statements in the same place instead of spreading all over the Internet. Once again, the aim is show strength in numbers.
Before anyone ask, Yes, you can continue to use your current Viewsonic product(s) as long as you have made a purchase of a different brand because of a previous bad experience with Viewsonic.
facebook.com/pages/I-Switched-from-Viewsonic/266914796653802
Time for a little viral marketing.
We are about to hit the 100 members mark sometime this week. To celebrate, I think it would be a great opportunity to do a big (viral) marketing push.
If the Facebook study I have read is true, the average person on Facebook has about 10-20 people on their friends list. My suggestion is for everyone to take a minute to hit the Share button on the bottom left of the Facebook page to post it on their Wall. That would give us a minimum of 1000+ more pair of eye balls seeing the message. Some of them might be gTablet owners or know someone who does. But our real aim is to bring to their attention our cause and at the same time spread negative publicity for Viewsonic to another 1000 people who might in turn share it with more of their friends. With some luck, we might just reach that critical mass that will attract Viewsonic attention.
Make sure to include a message along the line of:
"I own a Viewsonic gTablet and I need your help. Viewsonic has abandon this device after only 3 months of support. Now they are killing it by refusing to provide the necessary driver so the community developers can continue to update it. Please share this with all your friends so we can warn as many people as possible about Viewsonic dodgy business practice."
facebook.com/gTabletOwners
just posted it on the FB support page. lets see if it stays up.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=18712&post=99303&uid=58738271675#topic_top
I understand where you are coming from, but asking a corporation to support a commercial failure is most likely falling on deaf ears. Just ask those people who bought Touchpads. Viewsonic doesn't make their money from people like us.
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Viewsonic doesn't make their money from people like us.
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Yes they do.
Fact Most happy consumers have no voice, It's not that they do not have one its more like they have no use or want to be bothered with it.
Upset people have a voice and use it.
So if I was a consumer that was looking for a good product, and search the web for a viewsonic tablet review I will find peoples likes and dislikes.
So if the upset customers (US) make noise, it will hurt their bottom line. I would not want to buy a device that is dropped from support and has bad things said about it.
I as a web guy would have done this a little different.
Create a facebook page for people to like and post their thoughts.
Create a twitter account and link it to the facebook page
Start going to the review sites you find in google searches and post your review with a link to your facebook page.
Heck you could even post on review sites for other viewsonic products (LCD's etc...) stating that you have owned and after the tablet mess, you will never buy again and so on.
I know VS is probably reading this and thinking "Shut up already, we do not need more trouble", but VS it's your fault and only you can fix the problem.
One thing I have learned in the last few years in tech, is never mess with the tech geeks as their numbers can kill you.
BTW, I liked both pages. No more VS for me! and I will spread the word.
PS. PM me if you need anything.
copc, thank you for you support.
I consider myself a thinker, not a leader. It takes a while for my brain to to digest and come up with new ideas. So I really appreciate yours and others help with keeping this project alive. I'm going to ask Roebeet and Living Enzyme if they would like to be Admin on the page or recommend someone who would be a good candidate. We really need a few more people to keep the page alive.
Anyone want to take a stab at making a viral video?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391476,00.asp
I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
I'm not a developer but did read this already on a posting at Google+.
But you are right, moving into that direction would be very bad.
Some people think they can be rude because they stay anonymous.
Its something that happens more and more these days on the internet.
I realize it's impossible - there are 12 year olds who probably run rampant.
Seems like there is SOMETHING that can be done.
I'm as Pro-Android as they come. But at times it feels like starting a relationship with a beautiful boy/girl only to find they come with a sack load of emotional baggage.
Here's my take on it: http://andgamesdevblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/android-culture-its-own-worst-enemy.html
I am far from giving up (thick skinned) but there is a real troll culture growing and needs to be stomped out. Anonymity has it's uses but, as with everything else, has its drawbacks. What we need is troll hunters!
Paul
(aka Strangemoo)
I have seen that there are some stupid comments on the market... But not so extreme as to take down your app...
Some users is just plain stupid... I'm from Denmark, so a lot of the comments are in danish... But that devs are many times foreign and really don't look or understand the comments... But a lot of them complain about pathetic things like no app 2 sd or that some function suddenly's gone instead of just writing the dev an email about the issue and giving the app the respect it deserves... 1/5 rating is a lot of the times not justified...
Just my 2-cents...
I'm sorry but this is a silly and immature move by the developer. Receiving negative feedback, dealing with trolls and idiotic users that don't understand technology are fundamental assumptions of the internet, just like not giving out your passwords or helping Nigerian princes get their money out of Africa.
I loved ShootMe and used it for our screenshots, but I don't have a lot of empathy for people that empower others to control how they feel.
Wrote about this a few weeks back: http://www.androidstatic.com/what-shootme-removed-from-the-android-market
I work in IT support and one of the things I have to support is phones. It blows my mind how many 10-12 year old kids have nicer phones than I do because their rich mommy and daddys think their precious little angels needs the latest and greatest smart phones. I went over to a client's office a couple of months ago and he had 3 brand new Droid 2s for his kids, ranging from 10-14.
Point of all this?
In this day and age, there are so many rude little kids with nice phones all over these forums, its amazing to me anyone sticks around. Im over 40 and was raised in a different time than these self entitled children I see around here that want everything now, for free and want you to do it for them.
I cant blame the guy for leaving. A lot of times I wish I could go live on an island somewhere where I didnt have to deal with people because most of them suck.
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I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
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I'm not a developer, but I was a ShootMe user on my EVO 4G. When it received the upgrade to Gingerbread, the app stopped working. The developer never replied to my email and from reading comments on Market didn't reply to anyone.
He did finally released a new version of ShootMe, but you had to have a computer to use it. Also everytime your reboot your phone, you had to sync everytime with your computer.
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Welcome to the "masses".
Want a better experience? Go smaller. Dev for Windows Phone, or Web OS, or RIM.
Once something becomes part of the main stream, you'll see the d-bags start rolling in. Even something like xda can be tarnished once it "gets too big". There is hardly a day that goes by where I don't read a thread here that doesn't make me shake my head. This used to be a highly technical forum, back when every devices was htc and running windows mobile.
The only thing that can really be done, is to work with a smaller, more appreciative community. I doubt you would get very many jerk off comments from a Windows Phone user, they are happy to get whatever they can.
All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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As a android developer IMHO the android community is as bad as they come. Xda for example used to be a place of collaboration. Currently its a place where maybe .1% do dev, .9% appreciate the development and try to help, 99% ether complain or say nothing at all. Whether the development is for free or profite(which I won't evev get into here) how is a developer supposed to work off of that? Users would rather right a comment blasting a developer who has literally spent days of his life on some product without even attempting to resolve the issue themselves.
I'm not saying some complaints are not warranted, just saying flip the coin around and its not so hard to understand the developers standpoint.
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There is no denying that there is frustration on both sides. This frustration seems to stem from expectation, communication and control.
The developer expects their customers to be civil.
The users expects the developers to devote anything between some to all of their resources/free time building/making their products better.
Both are unreasonable expectations if you think about it.
Civility can only be maintained in a mediated environment - the Android Market seems only concerned about brand and copyright issues. Google seems to think that it's ok to put its developer behind chicken-wire with lights in their eyes whilst their customers are free to hurl beer bottles at them. Dealing with anony-trolls is time consuming and offputting.
Developers range from teenagers with spare time on their hands up to multi-million dollar development studios. I, myself, am a father of three, I work a full week (we've got to eat!) and I code when time permits. Even though I respond to every request put to my apps, if you think that I'm going to compromise the balance of other areas of my life to put in a bug fix - think again. Sure, some of the more effluent businesses can throw more resources into a project, but just bare in mind that most of us are just people and not doormats. Respect and encouragement is all it takes to make the market a happy place. Flaming just ruins things for all (on both sides).
Communication between devs and end users is and most likely always will be a bit of a sticking point. The fact that everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes kind of makes it obvious that there will never be an app with 100% 5 stars. Even the most popular apps on the market have ratings across the board. Though, admittedly, some of the low grades may be down to trolling - but some of them will be genuine. Communication takes time. From a user, it may take a couple of minutes out of their day. For the dev, they may have hundreds a day to deal with. This takes them away from the development that the mail is probably asking for!
A user doesn't, and should never have control over the developer. They should, however, be able to request, beg, plead *nicely*. If they get frustrated then they should remember the phrase 'you get what you pay for'. The developer doesn't get any money when you bought your phone - so don't think they have any obligation to give you something for nothing. If it's a paid app, then the developer is saying 'yes, I'll support it.' That's fair sport.
The developer should have some control over their customers in the sense that a shopkeeper can choose who they let in their shops. Unfortunately they have none. They can't even moderate the comments on the market. I've had a 'GAY - Pointless, uninstall' (his words, not mine) on a free app downloaded 12,000 times and has a 4* rating. I can't do anything about it. It always appears when people go to the page. This individual has hurt my app and me without provocation. I didn't ask anything from them. Fortunately, the following message pointed out that the 'Pointless' user was an idiot (thanks XZombie), hopefully it will negate some of the damage. We're completely at the mercy of the masses, and being a relatively new dev, it's a scary place to be!
It's a shame that the most influential party in all of this is hiding behind a wall of silence.
If you're interested - I'm keeping a track of my experience of Android development. The link is in my earlier post.
Paul
Strangemoo
Paul, I do agree with you to a point. But I'm not sure if I like about developers editing comments. But I do see what you mean about people leaving dumb comments for an app that does work.
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Katt,
I don't suggest developers could edit comments - that would make the process equally pointless, as devs can put all of the 'nice' things they want in the description anyway. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Devs should be able to either remove, request for removal or even block the rogue elements. At present, we have to just live with the insults with no way to disprove their claims. Even a 'troll flag' would be an improvement - to show other users that the dev disagrees with the comment.
All accountability is on the devs whereas trolls can run freely.
Do any other devs out there agree with me on this? Others may have had a much more dealings with such than I have.
Cheers,
Paul
IMO if google was smart they would allow for a limited ammount(% of total) of "submissions" of there comments to a third party(google). If they are found outlandish they can be removed.
My 2 cents lol. I can say as a dev of a few apps on the market I have gotten rediculous comments n 1 stars b4. I mean if they are justified that's a different thing entirely. But my 1 stars are disproportionally higher then the trend of the others. Which proves one thing...
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This is an honestly great thread. Good initiative to |OP|
Taking down an app just because of a few nasty comments is just
childish and quite frankly pathetic.
Seems that developer has chucked his toys out the pram, if he does
decide to release it again who is going to trust such a developer?
I know I wouldn't use the app again, seeing as he's stuck 2 fingers up
to loyal users and the whole android community all because of a small
minority of people.
The whole thing stinks of the guy thinking he is above any kind of bad
feedback, obviously a developer that doesn't listen to the users of his
app and a developer that turns his back at the drop of a hat.
I'm sure he will be missed... Not
Ps. there are better screenshot apps out there
I agree with your comment. Though I am not a dev. I have experience working in the retail end of software. This is a I want it now society, folks forget that they got this software/app for free and as soon as they have a little issue they fly off the deep end cussing out the maker/distribitor of the product. Anyhow like you said you get what you pay for.LIke in my IT course in school my book said "check the dummy behind the keyboard" anyhow thanks for the great apps i use the time flies app.
If a dev dropped his customers because of a couple of snide comments then, yeah, I'd agree with you.
But was that the case for ShootMe?
Before we start flinging hooks around here, wouldn't it be more productive to actually find out what happened first.
I may be proven wrong here, but the guy must've been given some serious grief to take such a newsworthy action.
In fact, that's not been mentioned - it could be media storming. Drum up enough publicity and come back blazing. Only time will tell on that one.
At the end of the day, it's his property. And if he makes a lot of people unhappy that's his prerogative. The reason he's giving though are indeed a real issue the community needs to address.
The plot thickens.
(Glad you like Times Flies! You're most welcome)
Paul
I've noticed that the flavor of a community will vary a lot by device. The Captivate community seems to be generally good and helpful for the most part, but I've heard horror stories of ungratefulness and rudeness about communities around other devices. It may be the same sort of thing with different varieties of apps. If people feel like an app performs a function they deserve outright, they may be less inclined to courtesy and more inclined to selfish expectation.
So I am trying to find a free (hideable) phone activity monitoring app. I need to be able to hide it so it's not visible on the phone unless you really dig, I already know how to do that part. I preferably want it to save messages, app activity, pictures, phone calls, and social media activity.
My wife, soon to be ex wife, has been cheating on me and I need proof of adultery for the inevitable court case thats going to come once I serve her the papers so I can keep her from taking me for half or everything.
I don't mind paying like $5 to $10 a month but the only issue with that is she has access to bank statements and will see the charges and figure out what I am doing, I'm trying to keep that from happening, hence the need for it to be free.
Thank you in advance.
Oh yeah, she has an IPhone 13 Pro
And I am running a Samsung 21 Ultra
I'm beginning to see why you're having problems... no one likes a nosey Parker.
Yeah I know, I'm not the one hacking accounts and bringing people into our bed for me to come home and walk in on. I ain't be a nosey Parker, in reacting accordingly to the situation that I was forced into and now I'm covering my bases
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Yeah I know, I'm not the one hacking accounts and bringing people into our bed for me to come home and walk in on. I ain't be a nosey Parker, in reacting accordingly to the situation that I was forced into and now I'm covering my bases
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XDA doesn't condone illegal activities. What you're asking to do violates federal and likely state laws in the USA and many other countries as well.
Putting a legal activity tracking app on my own personal property that was purchased by me, is in my name, and is paid for by me is not illegal, and was also adviced for me to do by my lawyer. But you are entitled to your own opinion sir, but I don't need your two cents on my personal situation. I asked a simple question, if you have helpful advice I'm willing to listen, otherwise I respectfully don't need to hear it.
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Putting a legal activity tracking app on my own personal property that was purchased by me, is in my name, and is paid for by me is not illegal, and was also adviced for me to do by my lawyer. But you are entitled to your own opinion sir, but I don't need your two cents on my personal situation. I asked a simple question, if you have helpful advice I'm willing to listen, otherwise I respectfully don't need to hear it.
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Ask your lawyer to supply one. He seems to have the wherewithal.
There's no way for me or anyone here to determine the validity of your claims. Personally I think it's underhanded, unethical and illegal unless your wife is a minor.
Fair enough, I appreciate the help and banter, I look elsewhere for advice. Hell, Im pretty sure I won't find any worse treatment or un-warrented criticism elsewhere than I received from you good sir. I attempted to remove the thread but it doesn't see I have the ability, so you are more than welcome to step down from that high horse of yours to remove it yourself.
Even with the the uncalled for words and judgement I still hope you never have to experiance what I'm dealing with. But I do hope someday you learn how to talk to people with atleast a shred of common decency or respect.
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Fair enough, I appreciate the help and banter, I look elsewhere for advice. Hell, Im pretty sure I won't find any worse treatment or un-warrented criticism elsewhere than I received from you good sir. I attempted to remove the thread but it doesn't see I have the ability, so you are more than welcome to step down from that high horse of yours to remove it yourself.
Even with the the uncalled for words and judgement I still hope you never have to experiance what I'm dealing with. But I do hope someday you learn how to talk to people with atleast a shred of common decency or respect.
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It has nothing do with a lack of empathy on my part.
Five years in Federal prison is a long time. Mind you the other person you speak of is also a stranger to me as well. I'm neutral... but you're the one I -see- trying to step out of line.
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It has nothing do with a lack of empathy on my part.
Five years in Federal prison is a long time. Mind you the other person you speak of is also a stranger to me as well. I'm neutral... but you're the one I -see- trying to step out of line.
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Five years is a long time, regardless of institution or whether it's federal or state, that's still going to take a decent adjustment period. But you aren't being neutral, your throwing judgement, even just by saying I'm the one stepping out of line. You don't know any of the facts, how long it's been happening, what been done, the level of faithfulness and loyalty from each party, income from each party.....the list keeps going. So how can you say I'm the one stepping out of line? All your doing is making a judgment based off your own assumptions. I know the inside teaches men to think a certain way and act a certain way, but it also normally teaches most mutual respect is a 2 way street. That we should always start of with a level of respect towards the other, and if it isn't matched that's when you come with the un-needed rude, judgemental etiquette.
Atleast that's one of the things it taught me. Not to mention many others, another important being that your a grown man and entitled to your opinion and how you feel...I'm also a grown man, who isn't bothered by other people's opinions or how they view me, I also know I don't need to continue this, so I'm just going to end it by saying that if you really did do 5 years and you still talk to and treat people like this, it must have been a pretty cushy institution
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Five years is a long time, regardless of institution or whether it's federal or state, that's still going to take a decent adjustment period. But you aren't being neutral, your throwing judgement, even just by saying I'm the one stepping out of line. You don't know any of the facts, how long it's been happening, what been done, the level of faithfulness and loyalty from each party, income from each party.....the list keeps going. So how can you say I'm the one stepping out of line? All your doing is making a judgment based off your own assumptions. I know the inside teaches men to think a certain way and act a certain way, but it also normally teaches most mutual respect is a 2 way street. That we should always start of with a level of respect towards the other, and if it isn't matched that's when you come with the un-needed rude, judgemental etiquette.
Atleast that's one of the things it taught me. Not to mention many others, another important being that your a grown man and entitled to your opinion and how you feel...I'm also a grown man, who isn't bothered by other people's opinions or how they view me, I also know I don't need to continue this, so I'm just going to end it by saying that if you really did do 5 years and you still talk to and treat people like this, it must have been a pretty cushy institution
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Here's my retort for a cheap shot...
Electronic Communications Privacy Act
I was just returning the judgemental rudeness that you were so keen to begin with and continue to use towards me, only one person here to blame for my response.
That was a cute little click bait attempt you played there, smooth.
Except even though i have a S21 Ultra I run PureOS on it.
Debian OS is immune to most modern viruses whether they are android or iOS based because it runs as neither.
Like I said tho, good attempt. If this was ran on the typical software I would have had an issue.
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