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I know that typically a few "Google Experience" devices come out each year. But, has there been any speculation on what the next major Google phone will be... as in the Nexus S sequel. (I am aware this hasn't been out that long, but it isn't in the cards to upgrade now, so I'm looking to the future )
I'm hoping it's a Nexus device either from HTC or Motorola - however with this 'own Motorola OS' rumour swirling around, that's looking unlikely, currently. But if the HTC Pyramid is a Nexus device, that'll be my next phone. Period. It'll be my next phone even if it isn't
Ya, I'm using an Atrix right now, and while I know it gets a lot of hate, I love the power. It's a great phone in terms of speed and potential. And, in spite of the restrictions it can do a lot. But, I want the freedom of a full on Google phone. I can't wait to hear what the Nexus 3 will be.
The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.
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The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.
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The Galaxy S was one of the best selling Android phones. Most likely the most sales for a similar models of this generation and there's even more variations just coming out. A Nexus S device made sense. Create a platform phone that has the broadest reach in terms of compatibility. Devs can then base their apps on that consistency. The Nexus One was simliar - (how many phones had the first gen Snapdragon? Tons.). They picked right for the time frame. Dual cores came out soon after but I don't see that level of hardware consistency coming until later this year.
I disagree - if they wanted a dev platform using the Hummingbird CPU, the time to release it was the same sort of time as the original Galaxy S, get it out there ASAP so that the people who needed it could start using it immediately.
They were late.
Which is not to say too late, it will still be of some use but plenty of developers will already have a Galaxy S is they want a Hummingbird-based test-bed, especially given how easy it is to get stock Android on it.
Also, whilst some manufacturers like Samsung are developing their own dual-core CPUs and HTC seem woefully tied to Qualcomm, nVidia's Tegra2 SoC does seem to have reached some level of wide-spread adoption - certainly amongst tablets and also with some of the dual-core handsets that are coming to the market. Heck, even Samsung are using it to bolster their low Exynos supplies.
It wouldn't've been too much of a gamble on Google's part to have released a Tegra2-based dev handset IMO - not really that much less consistency than there has been the past 12 months.
No idea.... please post if come to know about it.
The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...h-new-Ice-Cream-Android-operating-system.html
I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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Making it useless for a majority of the world... not sure I can see that happen while there are now radio chips that allow both GSM and CDMA.
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The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
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I agree. It will definitely be using IceCream I think, and I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?
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I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?
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Why would Samsung be any less likely to get the nod for the next Nexus handset than HTC? Both manufacturers have produced a Nexus-branded handset each, with Google choosing to move from HTC to Samsung for the last one.
If anything, I'd say Samsung are more likely to be selected, especially given they're actually improving on their previous handsets while HTC have stagnated.
As for SE, their entire survival revolves round Android, so I would hardly describe them as 'doing their own thing'.
I haven't particularly kept up with it all, only started the Android craze when I got this phone. I just remember the last time I looked at a SE phone it was using its own OS. And I definitely haven't worried with Droids or Nexus's, I didn't realize that the last Nexus was Samsung, I thought they were rolling heavy just on the Galaxy series.
We all start somewhere yeah
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Should partner with HTC ... should set a standard like what N1 did.
I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..
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I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..
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True. I feel the same, any smartphone Samsung I've put in my hand feels like I'd lose or crush it easily. However I have noticed their screens seem a bit better in sunlight, and they do seem to try and innovate a bit. But HTC (they didn't used to be though) has finally gotten to a consistent point on quality.
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I guess there's still no rumors yet on what the ice cream showcase phone will be... I've been scouring the internet.
Hopefully google has learned to just sell their software and stay away from selling their own devices.
Looks like the infuse (SGH-i997) may only be a US phone? Basic google searches didn't reveal anything obvious like I would expect, for example the i9000 (galaxy s).
I know a lot (not all of course...) of the great innovations in terms of lag fix, rom/kernel dev work came from people working on the international i9000. I wonder if this will limit the diversity in kernels, roms...
Mine is on the way anyway
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Looks like the infuse (SGH-i997) may only be a US phone? Basic google searches didn't reveal anything obvious like I would expect, for example the i9000 (galaxy s).
I know a lot (not all of course...) of the great innovations in terms of lag fix, rom/kernel dev work came from people working on the international i9000. I wonder if this will limit the diversity in kernels, roms...
Mine is on the way anyway
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well im not saying you can interchange with a galaxy s. that is not true. but many methods when applied to the infuse sources will have little difference from the galaxy s in implimentaion. so in a way this may develope faster than the sgs2 or the sgsplus or the sgs2mini which all have much more major changes.
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well im not saying you can interchange with a galaxy s. that is not true. but many methods when applied to the infuse sources will have little difference from the galaxy s in implimentaion. so in a way this may develope faster than the sgs2 or the sgsplus or the sgs2mini which all have much more major changes.
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I hope so too. Really sucks that they didn't release it w/ 2.3 out of the box. Samsung CAN do it, look at the nexus s. Hopefully only a minor setback and they'll release the update OTA... yeah right
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I hope so too. Really sucks that they didn't release it w/ 2.3 out of the box. Samsung CAN do it, look at the nexus s. Hopefully only a minor setback and they'll release the update OTA... yeah right
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well they need the sgs 2 to look that much better. they fear we are too stupid to know what a dual core chip is. they need this to look good for the money and the sgs2 to look better. samsung did get the first 2.3 update out and the first 2.3 phone out that was not a google dev phone so cut them some slack. they are working hard on there flagship models. this will come later. google says they will work with manufacturers to get all capable handsets updated to 2.3 or 3.1, probably to keep android from getting too fractured. they will put pressure on them for updates and the manufacturers will get less ambitious with changes.
samsung also announced the north american sgs line will get 2.3 but did not indicate a timeline. unfortunately this is not being called a sgs so that statement is not a garentee but i think att has more concerns about updating the infuse than the captivate so if samsung says the captivate gets an update i think att will push for the infuse to get an update beforehand.
The Verge just posted a developing story about Google giving early sdk access to multiple OEM's and having various Nexus phones to choose from this year. Also, they'd be selling directly.
What do you guys think? I think it's an awesome approach to get some great competition between OEM's with pure google experience. Nexus might finally become a more common phone name with the general public too!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3022682/google-direct-sales-multiple-device-OEMs
That sounds to good to be true. More likely is that multiple OEMs have early access to the next Android version, so that they have enough time to skin it.
Android police just reported too saying the source is from wall street journal. Guess we will have to wait til google I/O for any announcements.
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That sounds to good to be true. More likely is that multiple OEMs have early access to the next Android version, so that they have enough time to skin it.
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Lol true story
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This would be an absolute pipedream. Competition like that would mean that Samsung could no longer halfass the specs/accessories as with the Galaxy Nexus.
Also, the precedent of multiple phones could pave way for the Nexus NoteTM.
Now, as for the announcement itself, the reasons for skepticism are obvious, but it isn't as unrealistic as it might seem as first, precisely because google is now selling devices over "play". Right now, their catalog is looking a bit empty, and this would be a great way to fill it.
The only concern I'd have is fragmentation of the xda-devs. It'd be a terrible shame to have certain ROMS and kernels available only for certain nexii, whereas they used to all be on the nexus. Still, this is a price I'd gladly pay for the competitive drive.
Yes and it will take some control away from the carriers and into Google's hands. Just think about all those Nexus phones getting updates direct from Google!
Its a crazy rumor at the moment but if google really wanted to shake things up this might be a very bold move.
Also I'm not sure how much of an issue rom fragmentation would be. All the devices would be pure aosp and easily unlocked. There wouldn't have to do any crazy hacks due to lack of drivers like One X camera etc.
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Also I'm not sure how much of an issue rom fragmentation would be. All the devices would be pure aosp and easily unlocked. There wouldn't have to do any crazy hacks due to lack of drivers like One X camera etc.
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Well, I don't know how hard kernel devving for multiple devices is; I suppose you could be right.
It still goes without saying, though, that the devs probably wouldn't buy all five of the nexuses. This could limit practical support (of which trial-and-error is a large part, from what I've gathered from Ezekeel), which is why, despite that it is one of my dreams come true, I fear five might be too much.
Supposedly Samsung is making it, if its true then the prototype is said to have Android 4.1, Exynos quad core processor, 2GB of ram and a 1900x1080 screen, so I want itttttttt noooowwwwww
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Well, I don't know how hard kernel devving for multiple devices is; I suppose you could be right.
It still goes without saying, though, that the devs probably wouldn't buy all five of the nexuses. This could limit practical support (of which trial-and-error is a large part, from what I've gathered from Ezekeel), which is why, despite that it is one of my dreams come true, I fear five might be too much.
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Yea sorry I meant roms could be ported easily. Kernels would be the issue.
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Going through the kernel sources, it's blatantly obvious that they have developed a phone with these specs.
The 9500 is the ja3g and its variants are
ja3gduos_chn_ctc / GT-I959 / China Telecommunications Coorporation
ja3gduos_chn_cu / GT-I9502 / China Unicom.
That's fine and dandy, however the conspiracy theories begin with the LTE versions:
The 9505 also has an Exynos variant as named as jalte and its derivatives are
jalteskt / SHV-E300S
jaltektt / SHV-E300K
jaltelgt / SHV-E300L
jaltedcm / ???
First three for the Korean market, and the latter Japan DoCoMo.
The interessting tidbit about the last four is that they're sourced / defined as derivatives of jalte / GT-9505 which is defined as a TARGET_LOCALE_EUR device.
Now over in the Qualcomm universe of devices, we have the jf* boards:
jf_eur, jf_att, jf_can, jf_cmcc, jf_cri, jf_dcm, jf_ktt, jf_lgt, jf_skt, jf_skt, jf_spr, jf_tmo, jf_vzw.
Now it's pretty obvious that there are duplicate devices for both the bolded markets, again the European, Korean, and Japanese variants.
I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
In either case, it just seems that the S4 is a massive failure for Samsung in terms of a product launch, they released it too early, and due to the apparent manufacturing issues, a big clusterfuçk has emerged in the device lineup in the last minute.
I'm glad they decided to use Qualcomm. It will have a much better community support.
Releasing all devices with Exynos would be a failure IMO for those that want to customize it.
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I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
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I agree with this and think that at some point in the SGS4's lifetime there will be a Octa/RF360 LTE variant.
In either case, it just seems that the S4 is a massive failure for Samsung in terms of a product launch, they released it too early, and due to the apparent manufacturing issues, a big clusterfuçk has emerged in the device lineup in the last minute.
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Because there's code in the kernel that point to models that could have been produced and aren't?
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Because there's code in the kernel that point to models that could have been produced and aren't?
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Are you trying to make a snarky comment again?
Yes, because of that; you don't develop a product and suddenly throw away millions in investment to not use that and then decide to throw free cash at your biggest competitor for the hell of it.
The whole launch just smells of immatureness of the product that was changed in the last minute. The LCD vs AMOLED debacle is also something to consider: initial firmwares were still using the white/bright colour schemes and only as reported, new updated firmwares finally changed that back to black / dark scheme typical of AMOLEDs. This gives weight to the reports that they were almost releasing the device with an LCD screen.
They didn't mention a single word about the CPU during the official launch for a single reason: shame.
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Are you trying to make a snarky comment again?
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Actually, no. And I thanked your original post.
Yes, because of that; you don't develop a product and suddenly throw away millions in investment to not use that and then decide to throw free cash at your biggest competitor for the hell of it.
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I'll give you an example of what I've seen from the business side (I'm not a programmer). There are times when the business group hasn't made final determinations about h/w while s/w coding is still preceding. The programmers will include code for multiple options and then either comment out what's not used or just leave it dormant. In the cases I've been party to the code could have been used but the fact it wasn't doesn't indicate some strategic mistake, just that of multiple options coded only one was pursued. Software decisions are usually more flexible than h/w ones.
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Software decisions are usually more flexible than h/w ones.
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That's fine and valid in the software universe, but not in terms of software that runs hardware (notice I'm not saying "on hardware", I literally mean it runs the hardware) one part goes hand in hand with the other, else you're programming blindly.
They actually have these devices working and developed, just not mass-produced for the public.
I'm quite impressed they've managed to make the jump to 28nm so quickly really. So it doesn't surprise me that there's not that many Exynos chips floating around and won't be for a few months.
If anyone keeps up on graphics cards, you'll know why I'm impressed -- TSMC are pretty hilarious when it comes to shipping silicone on time
And given the above subject, NVidia has been guilty of far more "soft launches" than Samsung is pulling here (eg, BARELY ANY product out in the wild for months after launch).
Whether or not you can call it a failure I guess depends on how much money Samsung will "lose" from shipping the Krait units. Would it have been better to delay the S4 4-6 months so they could ship 100% Exynos? I have no idea here, but all I know is I'm expecting the Note III in 4-6 months, not the S4...
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I agree with this and think that at some point in the SGS4's lifetime there will be a Octa/RF360 LTE variant.
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Yes, but when it does will be later, our eyes will be looking at other devices and to first S6 rumors specs.
For those like me who want to move to S4 has to live with what we have today.
The local buzz for japan (based on regulatory filings) seems to indicate SC-04E model designation, Qualcomm hardware (a major but welcome turnaround), for Japan/Docomo.
Perhaps we'll see a later (mid-fiscal-year) introduction of an Exynos version identically specced to the korean Exynos/LTE version like they did with the S3 alpha.
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Going through the kernel sources, it's blatantly obvious that they have developed a phone with these specs.
I'm not claiming anything here; the above may either point out that Samsung will in the future have or replace the Qualcomm devices back with Exynos devices, or it may mean that the source code is older and displays Samsung's device line-up before they switched to Qualcomm. The question is, if they'll continue to source Qualcomm devices for the markets which got them from the beginning.
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If that turns out to be the case that they may replace the Qualcomm variants with Exynos, then I'm glad I got my Snapdragon variant before they do.
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The local buzz for japan (based on regulatory filings) seems to indicate SC-04E model designation, Qualcomm hardware (a major but welcome turnaround), for Japan/Docomo.
Perhaps we'll see a later (mid-fiscal-year) introduction of an Exynos version identically specced to the korean Exynos/LTE version like they did with the S3 alpha.
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^^ I doubt they will do that... And if they do probably only be out in Korea or japan because other Carriers wont bother with it, the reason why the carriers went for the 4G variant of the S3 I9305 is because the S3 didnt have 4G.
And the countries that chose the I9500 S4 dont really have a good 4G network and the ones that chose the I9505 do have a 4G network, The countries with a good 4g network did not choose the I9500 because of the fact they cant market it as being 4G and probably wont make as much sales. The real world consumer (Other then XDA) only cares for the Number 4 after the S ... And 4G is a bonus... If samsung releases another variant and markets it to the carriers as being S4 Octa + 4G, I really doubt the carriers will waste their money as the consumers will basically say "I have the S4 and it is 4G"... They wont understand what Octa is. Plus it would have to be a better Octa version than it is now because in real time usage you couldn't tell any difference with the I9505 and I9500... Only real clear difference is that the I9500 is alittle higher is some benchmarks. But who outside of the community cares about benchmarks.
1 year from now the S5 will be out I think they will concentrate on that
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Past history has shown otherwise. Its EXACTLY what was done with the S3 in this market. SC-06D was almost exactly like the AT&T carrier hardware (Qualcomm) and 6 months later same carrier introduced the SC-03E Exynos model.
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Past history has shown otherwise. Its EXACTLY what was done with the S3 in this market. SC-06D was almost exactly like the AT&T carrier hardware (Qualcomm) and 6 months later same carrier introduced the SC-03E Exynos model.
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Like I said IF they do it I recon it would only be in japan or korea. I cannot see my country (australia) or many other countries alike taking up the exact same phone and re-advertising it as an exynos... The normal consumer wont have a clue what they are talking about..They may change stock supplies but not market it at all so if someone decides to buy an S4 in 5-6 months it will automatically be shipped as Exynos/LTE, this maybe possible if the only reason samsung went with qualcomm was low stock issues and they needed to meet stock demand by a certain date to make the S4 Launch date happen.. But again realtime performance will be the same.
On the other hand if they do decide to make an update and market it as an update you would like to think it will be more then just a cpu change or slight Over clock .. hopefully its other updates that will see a difference in real time performance because at the moment real time performance is practically identical in the current S4 variants, Exynos & Snapdragon...
I like my Note Pro 12.2 but it seems to me that Samsung has given up on this device? Any thoughts?
What makes you believe that?
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No updates or anything new about this device. Just my perception...real or otherwise.
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What makes you believe that?
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First off it has always been my experience that samsung tablets get fewer updates than their phones do, and that it's worse with US carrier variants of a Samsung tablet.
With Google updating their core applications via play store updates these days the frequency of device updates doesn't concern me much. This tablet is stable and quick so I'm satisfied with what I have for now. I'm looking forward to an update to touchwiz but that won't likely happen until well after Android L comes out.
I don't know if this is obvious to everyone but many manufacturers tie significant software updates to product releases to give the new products some thunder. I wouldn't expect an update to the rest of the Note line until the Note 4 is out on the street. The same thing happened to the Note 10.1 2014 which saw a stall in updates while this tablet was being released and got its KitKat update after the Note Pro hit the streets.
This thing already ships with 4.4.2. There is no newer Android version. And there is no point in an update if there is nothing to add and nothing severe to fix. It's that simple.
4.4.3 won't come out until the Note 4 ships with it. After that, it's the S5 first, then the Note 3 and S4, and then the rest. And unless 4.4.3 adds something special for tablets, don't expect it to be rolled out to any tablet immediately.
Samsung's 4.4.2 is a pretty mature build, no big updates are needed. We probably won't see an update till Android L (5.0?) rolls out. And yes all Exynos 5420 devices will get upgraded. My suggestion is to stop worrying about updates and just enjoy your device.
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And yes all Exynos 5420 devices will get upgraded.
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I'd never use the words all or definitely in anything having to do with Samsung. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S's are all using near identical h/w yet all are running different versions of TW with different feature sets and varying versions of Samsung's s/w (EG: My Files, S Note, etc.) Lately, updates seem to be focused on the OS rather than bringing newer or more current functionality to older devices. The Note II didn't get any of the Note 3's enhancements, the N10.1 any of the N10.1-14's, and the N3 didn't get any of the SGS5's; even though they are all running 4.4.2. Hell, Samsung's rolling the updates they do provide out at a snail's pace with the N10.1 and N10.1-14's 4.4.2 update still missing from many markets even though the initial release was months ago.
The N12 was most likely always intended to be a niche device. All the market analysis says 8-9" tablets are now the sweet spot going forward with sales slowing down considerably across all sized tablets based on phablets being bought (especially in Asia) as alternatives. Samsung's tablet strategy over the past year has been bizarre. The N10.1-14 was announced and shipped in November of last year without nary a leak of its impending arrival. Then the Pro's were announced with much fanfare and the less than four month old N10.1-14 never mentioned again by Samsung. Then four months after that the S' orphaned the Pro's.
So it doesn't seem Samsung's tablet sales strategy is that solid and now between Wi-Fi, 3G, and LTE versions of multiple 8ish", 10.1" and 12.2" tablets all running different versions of s/w they've created a quagmire when it comes to updates; especially considering each of those tablets is also running different s/w across God knows how many regions each.
It would certainly make sense based on its selling price that the N12 would be a front runner for updates but its sales volume is well below other newish Samsung tablets. Samsung's logic appears random (did anyone expect the over two-year old N10.1 to receive 4.4.2?) hence avoiding terms like all and definitely.
Thank goodness the software and hardware these days is better than the first couple of generations of tablets.
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It would certainly make sense based on its selling price that the N12 would be a front runner for updates but its sales volume is well below other newish Samsung tablets. Samsung's logic appears random (did anyone expect the over two-year old N10.1 to receive 4.4.2?) hence avoiding terms like all and definitely.
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And nordic one, N8000, is still missing that update - it is still running 4.1.2 - althought 4.4.2 came already on may in Germany.
There is no logic with Samsung. And im not going to follow that illogical train anymore...
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I'd never use the words all or definitely in anything having to do with Samsung. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S's are all using near identical h/w yet all are running different versions of TW with different feature sets and varying versions of Samsung's s/w
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Google has already released Linux 3.10 kernel config files for Exynos and Qualcomm SOCs. Work has already started to bring Android L to our devices.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-experimental-3-10-defconfigs-msm-exynos-tegra/
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Google has already released Linux 3.10 kernel config files for Exynos and Qualcomm SOCs. Work has already started to bring Android L to our devices.
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Google releasing s/w Samsung could use in their development has nothing to do with the update schedule for existing devices. Exynos 5433 is already out. It's more likely to appear with Android L first and in a new device. The results of Samsung's access to new Android code and the timing of existing devices receiving it via an update has always been piss poor. What's changed?
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Google releasing s/w Samsung could use in their development has nothing to do with the update schedule for existing devices. Exynos 5433 is already out. It's more likely to appear with Android L first and in a new device. The results of Samsung's access to new Android code and the timing of existing devices receiving it via an update has always been piss poor. What's changed?
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This is why I have never believed the rumors of the Nexus line being discontinued. I can't imagine android development continuing without a vanilla device build out in the wild unencumbered by all of the bull$h!t antics of not wanting the updates of software on one device to affect the initial sales of a new one. At least that's the impression samsung puts off; for all I know there's only a couple of developers on staff and they aren't allowed to develop for anything BUT the next device.
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At least that's the impression samsung puts off
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I agree. Add to the business practice of forcing people to buy new devices to get the latest OS and/or Samsung features that they couldn't have possibly created a more complex s/w eco-system for they themselves to maintain. They release a slew of devices back-to-back in hopes that some "hit" and sell in droves. In the wake of that strategy are hundreds of devices, in Wi-Fi, 3G, and LTE, each with regionalized s/w.
Using the 12.2" tablets, with and without S Pen, as an example, there are probably hundreds of s/w versions to support. So business practices aside rolling out a world-wide update to a single tablet line becomes a nightmarish process. They did it to themselves and it's going to bite them in the ass some day. As an example, I'd normally be first-in-line for the Note 4. As it stands, my N3 and N10.1-14 have pretty common s/w between them which makes bouncing and sharing between them pretty easy. I'm not getting a Note 4 because the odds of my N10.1-14 every being common with it s/w wise is a million to one. And performance wise there's nothing wrong with either of them. Maybe if there's a N10.1-15 that's common with the Note 4 I'll get both but unlike in the past where there were huge gains to be had in moving to Samsung's "next big thing" there really aren't anymore. And with the high-end in tablets and smartphones maturing people thinking like I do will kill Samsung's earnings. Love the products; particularly the Note-series. Becoming less and less a fan of the company every day.
Say it ain't so Barry . . . I'm waiting on the Note 4 to switch to from my Nexus 4. You really think I may have issues between the two (Note 4 and my Note Pro?). Truth be told other than having synced dropsync folders for Lecturenotes I'm not entering into the Note 4 with the expectation of sharing things between the two devices. BTW I have no intention of ever getting rid of the nexus 4 at this time LOL. I'll switch between the two phones.
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Google releasing s/w Samsung could use in their development has nothing to do with the update schedule for existing devices. Exynos 5433 is already out. It's more likely to appear with Android L first and in a new device. The results of Samsung's access to new Android code and the timing of existing devices receiving it via an update has always been piss poor. What's changed?
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Well I remain hopeful that the update will occur. However, I don't understand the need to be on the very bleeding edge of Android versions. With my experience with my Nexus 7, Nexus 10 and Nexus 5, they usually introduce more bugs than they fix.
As long as Samsung fixes any current bugs in 4.4.2, my device can keep chugging along with this version. Going to 5.0 might open up a can of worms that may make the device much less stable and a pain to use.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...l-5-0-release-date-when-can-i-get-it--1257804
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Say it ain't so Barry . . . I'm waiting on the Note 4 to switch to from my Nexus 4. You really think I may have issues between the two (Note 4 and my Note Pro?). Truth be told other than having synced dropsync folders for Lecturenotes I'm not entering into the Note 4 with the expectation of sharing things between the two devices. BTW I have no intention of ever getting rid of the nexus 4 at this time LOL. I'll switch between the two phones.
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Everything will probably still be compatible but newer versions (EG: S Note, My Files, TW) will have different interfaces, menus, and controls. I don't want (personally) to have to jump between different products that more than likely do the same thing. My N3 and N10.1-14 still have menu capacitive buttons which I'm use to. Having one device with a task capacitive button and the other a menu button would drive me crazy. I'm a productivity user and having to think about doing the same thing differently across my devices would drive me nuts. So I'll upgrade in pairs or not at all. Think about the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S'. With the exception of M-UX being omitted from the N10.1-14, they all are functionally equivalent. Yet all are running different versions of TW with different (by age) versions of stock s/w. What bothers me may not bother others but intentionally leaving older (but still current) devices behind feature wise doesn't strike me as a way of retaining customers. How many people will ditch a $600ish tablet and buy a new one just to get a newer version of s/w? Especially when 95% of what both do is common? Samsung's logic baffles me some times.
Anyone figured out rooting
anyone figured out rooting i got this device 1 week ago cause i liked my note 3 allot but can i use the same method to root it like my note 3 i used towelroot for my note will this also work on my pro 12.2:good:
Is it dead? far from it. If anything, the recent and continued price drops are building the market share for this device. I ddon't think it has even begun to come close to what it's eventual user installed base is going to be. Dont let the lack of Samsung updates worry you
Not a chance
This thing is way too powerful and just plain awesome to be dead. The bloat ware is a resource hog but fix that and you have one of the best devices I have been lucky enough to call myself an owner of.
There are always updates that we want but what issues are you facing specifically that have you waiting for an update. Just curious because mine has really been impressive from day one, and i have owned all 3 note phones and now the Pro so I wasn't expecting to be too impressed.