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I don't know which one to pick.
Tegra APX 2600
ARM11 MPCore
12MP Camera!
HD Encoding & Decoding.
720p
If the tegra comes out for T-Mobile (probably wont) Ill buy that for sure. I just don't want to buy the phone unless i get 3G. But Nvidia has the slickest looking UI out so far, and of course the battery life is AMAZING.
N900
Confirmed for T-Mobile.
Keyboard, Custom Roms, Very fast but not tegra speed.
Nice layout, Maemo 5 Technology, 32GB internal Storage (Swap RAM!), 5MP Camera. ARM Cortex A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX graphics
Sadly, TFT RESISTIVE Touch screen.
Was really looking forward to this but Comparing this to tegra makes me feel like a cave man.
So my Q's are.
What would you buy & Why?
What are the chances of tegra releasing on T-Mobile?
Made this thread for the community's thoughts and out of rare Boredom.
Hey guys there was a great thread before about tegra vs. Snapdragon. With the recent release of new chips such as tegra 2 and Qualcomm QSD8672(snapdragon 2) I wanted to see which chipset is more powerful and offers the best battery life. Omap 4440 Qualcomm QSD8672 or tegra 2.
I'm not excited about Snapdragon 2 because it's just based on current A8 architecture but overclocked and better gpu.
What interests me are OMAP4 and TEGRA2 because both are based on next generation A9 cpu. Although both announced as dual cpu's OMAP4 will be released with single core variant which early phones might adapt. Unlike TEGRA2 which is assured to be dual core.
LG's Optimus range will have the Tegra 2!!! Im so excited to see this! Next week Tuesday is the big reveal.
can someone tell me which soc have the best gpu and which does better rander triangles per second
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What is better dual core or single core??
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LG's Optimus range will have the Tegra 2!!!
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The Optimus 2X does but the Optimus 3D uses the OMAP 4430 SoC.
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What is better dual core or single core??
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It honestly all depends on how you're looking at it.
Battery- Dual core most likely, since it's total tdp is about a much as a single cores tdp.
Performance- This varies a lot on the system. If the system is multi-core ready, then multitasking will be better. If the app is multi-core ready, the dual core will as long as the single core isn't say 2.5x clocked. Remember something, double the cores does not mean double the performance.
Speed- Again, this varies on the system and app.
Really, I feel that multiple cores and threads are the way to go. Clocking the cpus higher is only going to raise the power usage up. Multiple core systems can be more efficient, if the system makes use of it.
I'd say the OMAP4 from Texas Instruments is the top dog as of this moment in the SoC category, especially considering Tegra 2's Achilles heel in the high profile 720P/1080P dept.
hello i have a few questions about different SoC.
-so first which is better?
-which have the fastest gpu?
-which gpu can render more triangles per second?
-on exynos 4210's mali-400 gpu has 4 cores (tegra 2 has 8 gpu cores are that the same cores)
-how many gpu cores have TI OMAP4430?
-and finaly benchmark test:
on quadrant the galaxy s2 scored onle around 1500 just like galaxy s (1) or htc desire HD. why?
why did motorola atrix scores ower 2500?
and why does exynos 4210 (galaxy s) record video in [email protected] and tegra 2 (motorola atrix) just in [email protected] is that software suppressed
ps.: if my English is incorrect i'm sory
so do anyone now something above this???
lol its seems that noone knows anything above this and this should be the top mobile forum XD
At this point, no one really knows which is best. The problem is some of the drivers for the chips are optimized (tegra 2, TI Omap) and some aren't (Exynos). When the Galaxy S II gets closer to launch we will have a better idea of which chip is the best.
GPU isn't just dependent on the GPU, but drivers matter a lot as well. It's not who has the fastest GPU, but it's which one has the best drivers and the fastest GPU.
The GPU cores in the Exynos (Mali-400) and the Tegra 2 are not the same cores. They most likely have different designs. The Mali-400 should work about as well as the Tegra 2, but we won't know that until the Galaxy S II is released.
The Galaxy S II scored around 1500 on Quadrant because like I said earlier, drivers are not yet optimized for it. The Atrix scored over 2500 because the drivers are mature and the Tegra 2 is a great chip. We unfortunately can't compare the Exynos with the Tegra 2 and the TI Omap because they have better drivers right now. When Samsung's drivers are optimized, we will have a much better idea of which chip is the best.
I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions, just ask.
thanks for the answer.
jea i got one more if u know how many triangles each gpu could rander in 1 second.
It looks like the OMAP 4430 is supposed to get approximately 20 million triangles/s. The Tegra 2 is, according to nVidia, 20-30% faster than that. There are no numbers I could find for the Exynos.
I do know that the Exynos is SUPPOSED to have 5 times the 3D performance as the current Hummingbird from Samsung. The Hummingbird has the PowerVR SGX540 (The same GPU in the OMAP 4). That means that the Tegra 2 and the Exynos are supposed to be a lot better than the OMAP 4430.
Don't quote me on that, it's just what I've heard.
coz i read (on some forum) that tegra 2 has 90mil tri/sec and exynos has 122mil tri/sec (that was for mali-604) and i wanted to confirm that but i couldnt find any proof except this:
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
in performance is information 30mil tri/sec and i think that it is for one core so 4 times 30 is 120. or it is just 30mil tri/sec???
o and in previous answer u wrote that tegra 2 and exynos dont have the same gpu cores but i wanted to know if that 8 cores (4cores = quadcore, 8cores = ?) in tegra 2 means the same that quadcore gpu on mali like it says in this picture:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/mwc-11-samsung/pc/gsmarena_009.jpg
If you look at this wikipedia page and go to the SGX540 (The GPU in the OMAP 4), it says that it has approximately 20 Million tri/s.
Then if you go to this page it says that the Tegra 2 has a GPU that is 10-30% faster than the SGX540.
Also, this page says that the Exynos (code named the Orion) should have "5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung." The previous generation (The Hummingbird found in some phones including the Galaxy S and the Galaxy Tab) also had an SGX540.
I'm making all of my comparisons to the PowerVR SGX540 because those are the only numbers I could find. Also remember that the real world numbers you will get depend on other factors than just the GPU.
The cores are different, but the 8 cores in the Tegra 2 makes the GPU an octa-core GPU, not quad-core. The difference between them is the architecture and design of each core. Samsung could have made faster/more efficient cores and could get by with 4 of them. nVidia could have decided to go with a different design that got close to the same performance as the Exynos with more cores. It's all up to the manufacturer, design, and drivers, as well as some other factors. It's very hard to make a decent comparison between the cores without actual diagrams of them as well as the design.
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If you look at this wikipedia page and go to the SGX540 (The GPU in the OMAP 4), it says that it has approximately 20 Million tri/s.
Then if you go to this page it says that the Tegra 2 has a GPU that is 10-30% faster than the SGX540.
Also, this page says that the Exynos (code named the Orion) should have "5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung." The previous generation (The Hummingbird found in some phones including the Galaxy S and the Galaxy Tab) also had an SGX540.
I'm making all of my comparisons to the PowerVR SGX540 because those are the only numbers I could find. Also remember that the real world numbers you will get depend on other factors than just the GPU.
The cores are different, but the 8 cores in the Tegra 2 makes the GPU an octa-core GPU, not quad-core. The difference between them is the architecture and design of each core. Samsung could have made faster/more efficient cores and could get by with 4 of them. nVidia could have decided to go with a different design that got close to the same performance as the Exynos with more cores. It's all up to the manufacturer, design, and drivers, as well as some other factors. It's very hard to make a decent comparison between the cores without actual diagrams of them as well as the design.
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thanks for youre time. now we must wate for them to come out and se some RL tests.
Yep. I've been waiting on good numbers for Exynos for about a month now. Trying to decide between the Galaxy S II and a few other phones.
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Yep. I've been waiting on good numbers for Exynos for about a month now. Trying to decide between the Galaxy S II and a few other phones.
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Choice is a good thing is it not?
Bumping because I was gonna post new thread but saw this instead.
What is the Actual frequency of OMAP4430?
I want to know the actual frequency of OMAP4430. Samsung is Advertising like its GALAXY SII (GT-I1900G with a OMAP4430) is powered by 1.2 GHZ processor. But Texas Instruments's site stating like it can clock up to 1 GHZ. which is true?
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Seems with every smartphone that comes to the USA it gets some sort of Snapdragon Processor by Qualcomm and people do nothing but complain. So how does this Snapdragon S4 processor compare to every other dual-core processor out there and even the Tegra 3? Looked up some benchmarks and both seem to have their advantages and disadvantages. But what I really want to know is which one is better for real world performance, such as battery life, transitional effects, and launching apps. Couple people said Sense 4 is very smooth and "has LITTLE to no lag"? How does this processor display web pages in Chrome?
Read the thread "Those of your who are waiting too compare GSIII to HTC One X" in this forum. It only has about 6 pages but has a ton of information. Short answer is that the Qualcomm chip kicks serious ass.
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Short answer is that the Qualcomm chip kicks serious ass.
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After reading through that thread I'm still not entirely clear. Seems the Tegra is better for gaming?
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After reading through that thread I'm still not entirely clear. Seems the Tegra is better for gaming?
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yes and no, the tegra 3 does have a better gpu so in theory, better games. however, game makers cater to the mass. most androids that are active are mid-range, android 2.2 or 2.3, have a resolution of 480x800, and last years (or older) processors. although most will be made to work on the t3 and s4, it will be compatibility issues, not optimization. nvidia will have a couple games "t3 only" but even those will be made to work on other phones. now that ics is cleaning up some of the splintering of apps, we'll see some better options on both fields.
in short, yes the t3 is a better gaming chip. but for the battery life, games available, and current bugs i would suggest the s4. i may change my mind when the refreshs come out q3-4, we'll see.
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After reading through that thread I'm still not entirely clear. Seems the Tegra is better for gaming?
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Correct. However, most games are not optimized to utilize the Tegra to its fullest potential. That should change by the end of the year. The other point is that the S4 is just as good as the Tegra un terms of gaming performance. IMO, you should decide between these 2 processors by looking at the main area where the S4 truly has the advantage thus far, and that is battery life. So far, the battery life advantage goes to the S4. Just read the battery life threads in this forum and for the international X. It took a few updates to the Transformer Prime to start having pretty good battery life. The One X, will get better in that department with a couple more updates for battery optimization. The S4 starts with great battery life and will get even better in that department.
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I say the snapdragon S4 is a better chip right now. The tegra 3 gpu is great and with the tegra zone games it really looks great. But he 4 cores CPU is really for heavy multitasking so you candivise the work between all four cores. They are A9 cores vs the custom qualcomm which is close to A15. It mans that for single threaded task and multi threaded task the snapdragon will whoop tegra 3' ass. Opening an app, scrolling through that app sect... also browser performance is slightly better on the qualcomm chip. Basically tegra 3 can do lots of things at the same time with decent speed vs the S4 chip which can do 1 or few more things at lighting speed.
The S4 is almost 2x faster than any other dual core out there. Anandtech did a few nice articles on the S4, including benchmarks vs tegra 3.
In real use, the S4 should be much better, because not all apps are multithreaded for 4 cores. The S4 completely kicks the Tegra 3's ass in singlethreaded benchmarks. I also expect the S4 to be better at power management, because it is made on 28nm node, instead of 40 nm, so its more compact and efficient.
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Here is a comparison benchmark by someone from Reddit.
Benchmark S4 Krait Tegra 3
Quadrant 5016 4906
Linpack Single 103.11 48.54
Linpack Multi 212.96 150.54
Nenamark 2 59.7fps 47.6fps
Nenamark 1 59.9fps 59.5fps
Vellamo 2276 1617
SunSpider 1540.0ms 1772.5ms
Sadly, can't do much for the formatting. Enjoy.
The difference in DMIP's is where the S4 really whomps on the T3. All the T3 has going for it at the moment is it's GPU. If you don't care about some additional gaming prowess, the S4 is the way to go.
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Here is a comparison benchmark by someone from Reddit.
Benchmark S4 Krait Tegra 3
Quadrant 5016 4906
Linpack Single 103.11 48.54
Linpack Multi 212.96 150.54
Nenamark 2 59.7fps 47.6fps
Nenamark 1 59.9fps 59.5fps
Vellamo 2276 1617
SunSpider 1540.0ms 1772.5ms
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The difference in DMIP's is where the S4 really whomps on the T3. All the T3 has going for it at the moment is it's GPU. If you don't care about some additional gaming prowess, the S4 is the way to go.
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Just to add to that and to be fair, S4 is at around 7000 at antutu benchmark while tegra 3 is at around 10000. I still prefer the S4
Eh...
It wins in 1 benchmark specifically enabled to take advantage of more than 2 cores. So if you want to play tegrazone games and have some basic lag, the T3 is for you. If you want to have a near flawless phone experience, and have decreased graphical performance in some wanna be console games, then the S4 is the way to go.
Actually you wont really notice the lack of graphics performance on the snapdragon s4. Its about 10% slower in most benchmarks but outperforms the tegra3 in a few as well. However i have a sensation xl with the adreno 205 which is only a quarter as fast as the adreno 225 and all games including deadspace, frontline, blood glory runs smoothly on it. To say the snapdragon s4 is inferior because of the slower Adreno 225 is really nit picking to me. For me bigger reason to choose one graphics chip over another is flash performance and this is where the exynos mali 400 kicks the adreno 225 in the balls. It handles 1080p youtube videos in browser without a hiccup while the 225 chokes even on 720p content.
Let me answer this. How good is it? More than good enough. Almost all apps and games are catered to weaker phones so the T3 and S4 are both more than good enough.
And my two cents, the S4 beats tegra 3
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Seems with every smartphone that comes to the USA it gets some sort of Snapdragon Processor by Qualcomm and people do nothing but complain. So how does this Snapdragon S4 processor compare to every other dual-core processor out there and even the Tegra 3? Looked up some benchmarks and both seem to have their advantages and disadvantages. But what I really want to know is which one is better for real world performance, such as battery life, transitional effects, and launching apps. Couple people said Sense 4 is very smooth and "has LITTLE to no lag"? How does this processor display web pages in Chrome?
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Let me start by saying I'm not a pro when it comes to electronics but I do have an understanding on the subject.
The thing to realize about these processors, and most other processors available today, is that the s4 is based on the cortex a15 while the tegra 3 along with the new Samsung are based on the a9. The a15, at the same Hz and die size is 40% faster than the a9.
S4 = dual core Cortex A15 @ 1.5GHz - 28NM
Tegra3 = quad core Cortex A9 @ 1.5GHz - 40NM
Exynos 4(Samsung) = quad core Cortex A9 @ 1.5GHz - 32NM
S4 so far, in theory, is 40% faster per core, but having two less. Individual apps will run faster unless they utilize all four cores on the tegra3. Because the s4 has a smaller die size, it will consume less energy per core.
The actual technology behind these chips that the manufacturers come up with will also affect the performance output, but the general idea is there. Hope that helps to understand a little better how the two chips will differ in performance.
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The S4 compared to the Tegra3 says it all. dualcore that beats a quadcore in almost everything.
Intel released the first native dual core processor in 2006 and shortly thereafter released a quad core which was basically two dual cores fused together (this is what current ARM quads are like).
That was 6 years ago and these days pretty much all new desktop computers come with quad cores while laptops mostly stick with dual. Laptops make up the biggest share of PC sales so for your everyday PC usage, you'll be more than comfortable with a dual core.
You really can't assume mobile SoCs will follow the same path, but it's definitely something to consider. I think dual core A15-based SoCs will still rule the day this year and next at the very least.
I was really on the fence about the X or the XL. But the S4 got me. Not having 32GB is already bugging me. But the efficiency (and my grandfathered unlimited data paired with Google Music) is definitely worth the sacrifice. Very happy so far! Streaming Slacker, while connected to my A2DP stereo, running GPS was great. I'm not a huge gamer though. I miss Super Mario Bros being the hottest thing!
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Let me start by saying I'm not a pro when it comes to electronics but I do have an understanding on the subject.
The thing to realize about these processors, and most other processors available today, is that the s4 is based on the cortex a15 while the tegra 3 along with the new Samsung are based on the a9. The a15, at the same Hz and die size is 40% faster than the a9.
S4 = dual core Cortex A15 @ 1.5GHz - 28NM
Tegra3 = quad core Cortex A9 @ 1.5GHz - 40NM
Exynos 4(Samsung) = quad core Cortex A9 @ 1.5GHz - 32NM
S4 so far, in theory, is 40% faster per core, but having two less. Individual apps will run faster unless they utilize all four cores on the tegra3. Because the s4 has a smaller die size, it will consume less energy per core.
The actual technology behind these chips that the manufacturers come up with will also affect the performance output, but the general idea is there. Hope that helps to understand a little better how the two chips will differ in performance.
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correct me if im wrong but all 3 are A9 based including the S4. the first A15 will be the Exynos 5250, a dual core.
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correct me if im wrong but all 3 are A9 based including the S4. the first A15 will be the Exynos 5250, a dual core.
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This is inaccurate.
The Exynos 4 and the Tegra 3 are based on the ARM A9 reference design.
The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 is "roughly equivalent" to the A15, but not based on the A15. The same was true for Qualcomm's old S3 (which was equivalent to something between the A8 and A9 design)
One thing that most people don't realize is that Qualcomm is one of the very few companies that designs its own processors based on the ARM instruction set, and while S4's is similar to the A15 in terms of architecture, it's actually arguably better than the ARM reference design (e.g. asynchronous clocking of each core which is a better design than the big.LITTLE or +1 design).
My apologies if this thread is in the wrong place. It seems like the best place, but please move to a more appropriate spot if it isn't.
I was wondering if people had opinions on these two new GPUs, given the current/upcoming retail options.
From what I have seen of benchmarks and articles on anandtech, I think it's very likely that the T604 will be generally superior by a good margin. However, the Adreno 320 is available on a 10", 800x1280 tablet (padfone 2), while the Mali T604 (assuming rumors are to be true, and it seems rather confirmed at this point) will soon be available on a 10", 1600x2560 tablet (nexus 10).
Given the quadrupling of the resolution on the nexus 10, which device do you think will perform more smoothly? Obviously a sharp resolution looks great, so that scores the nexus 10 big points, but when paging through the launcher, scrolling chrome, and playing games, which would you expect to maintain a smoother frame rate?
I'm mostly curious about the GPU, but if anyone has any opinions about a dual-core cortex A15 like the Exynos 5250 vs quad core Krait, I would enjoy hearing about those as well! This is all just nerd-dreaming anyway
Personally, I would probably go for a nexus 10 if I were to buy a tablet, but I think my 2012 dream tablet would have been Exynos 5/Mali T604 on a 1200x1920, 10" tablet - like the transformer pad infinity - or 1080x1920 on a 7" tablet.
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My apologies if this thread is in the wrong place. It seems like the best place, but please move to a more appropriate spot if it isn't.
I was wondering if people had opinions on these two new GPUs, given the current/upcoming retail options.
From what I have seen of benchmarks and articles on anandtech, I think it's very likely that the T604 will be generally superior by a good margin. However, the Adreno 320 is available on a 10", 800x1280 tablet (padfone 2), while the Mali T604 (assuming rumors are to be true, and it seems rather confirmed at this point) will soon be available on a 10", 1600x2560 tablet (nexus 10).
Given the quadrupling of the resolution on the nexus 10, which device do you think will perform more smoothly? Obviously a sharp resolution looks great, so that scores the nexus 10 big points, but when paging through the launcher, scrolling chrome, and playing games, which would you expect to maintain a smoother frame rate?
I'm mostly curious about the GPU, but if anyone has any opinions about a dual-core cortex A15 like the Exynos 5250 vs quad core Krait, I would enjoy hearing about those as well! This is all just nerd-dreaming anyway
Personally, I would probably go for a nexus 10 if I were to buy a tablet, but I think my 2012 dream tablet would have been Exynos 5/Mali T604 on a 1200x1920, 10" tablet - like the transformer pad infinity - or 1080x1920 on a 7" tablet.
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Bump.
Anyone got any idea about how badly T604 smokes Adreno 320?
And about how badly Rogue will f*** T604?
What's the ETA on A15+Rogue chipsets?
AFAIK, ST-Ericsson is the only one left now that was supposed to be making them, now that OMAP is dead in the water...
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Bump.
Anyone got any idea about how badly T604 smokes Adreno 320?
And about how badly Rogue will f*** T604?
What's the ETA on A15+Rogue chipsets?
AFAIK, ST-Ericsson is the only one left now that was supposed to be making them, now that OMAP is dead in the water...
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Actually the Adreno 320 is on par with the Mali T604. The Adreno 320 is clocked at 400Mhz compared to 533Mhz on the T604. So if you clocked the Adreno 320 at 533Mhz is should be similar in performance or maybe better.
I don't think Rogue will demolish T604, yes iPad 4 does beat it but be in mind that the A6X actually is really 4 GPU's not like Mali T604 which is actually 4 'Cores' theres a difference (Mind my AMD GPU has 750 cores, what does that mean?) and the Mali T604 power consumption is way less than the A6X and you probably see it in future smartphones. The Rogue should be a competition for the Mali T658.