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Can someone tell me the difference between the 3 and how it applies to the nexus s? I am getting to where I really love this device but starting to want the evo3d.
thanks
They are all different android distributions
Honeycomb is designed for tablets but ice cream sandwich is yet to come out
Btw u have the wrong section, this should go in nexus s q&a
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mathkid95 said:
They are all different android distributions
Honeycomb is designed for tablets but ice cream sandwich is yet to come out
Btw u have the wrong section, this should go in nexus s q&a
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Brief but to the point...thanks. I'll stick with cm7 and miui til cream comes out.
Yeah those are based off of 2.3 gingerbread
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Gingerbread is the latest smartphone Android OS. Honeycomb is a heavily modified Froyo/Gingerbread created specifically for tablets. ICS is the next generation of Android, merging the codebase of Gingerbread and Honeycomb (and new features) into a single OS appropriate for use on tablets and smartphones.
Honeycomb is, according to Google, somewhat of a rushed OS. It was cobbled together quickly just to get out an OS that's halfway decent for a tablet.
Smh.
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jonnythan said:
Gingerbread is the latest smartphone Android OS. Honeycomb is a heavily modified Froyo/Gingerbread created specifically for tablets. ICS is the next generation of Android, merging the codebase of Gingerbread and Honeycomb (and new features) into a single OS appropriate for use on tablets and smartphones.
Honeycomb is, according to Google, somewhat of a rushed OS. It was cobbled together quickly just to get out an OS that's halfway decent for a tablet.
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Which is exactly why I am waiting for ICS tablets before I lay down my "hard" earned cash
How is it this dude has flashed ROMs and such and does not know the damn difference between GB and HC? Seriously wtf? SMH.
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How is it this dude has flashed ROMs and such and does not know the damn difference between GB and HC? Seriously wtf? SMH.
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I guess I missed the "Primer on upcoming Android versions" in the rooting guide.
I'm just curious but since ICS is coming, what does that mean for us? All I've heard is another UI overhaul for phones to give them more honeycomb, but what do we get? If Hardware Acceleration is in then I would be happy, but there doesn't seem to be anything in it for us tablet users.
Unless I'm missing something.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393797,00.asp#fbid=eHhpmAndRdICant really say kinda early..heres something I found but still unsure
I hope it means an update and AOSP!!
Not sure what the link was for...... Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. Sorry. But I'm just not sure if I would be excited about ics on my Xoom.
Imma say that it will be on the original Xoom's without a doubt. I read in an article that ICS will be able to run on older devices, thus it's almost a guarantee the Xoom will see it officially. Annnnd for some reason it does not... have no fear, as the devs will be here to solve that problem! The OG Droid was left out of the update loop awhile back because newer models replaced it, but we still have the most current updates on it thanks to the brilliant devs. Just gotta have some faith in your XDA community, and they will figure something out.
But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
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But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
I think at this point, it's a wait-and-see kind of thing.
But I think finally having the source code is the biggest news here. I think it will be the dawning of a golden age for the XOOM, so to speak.
Also, one advantage to the phone side getting lumped in to the same OS is that we will see a boost in apps that are tablet optimized since the devs will be able to work all of it into one .apk instead of focusing on two separate projects.
These are the two things I'm personally looking forward to the most as far as the tablet side goes.
Of course, it would be nice to be surprised, too.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
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Well, I think, since ICS will be open source, we will get additional development for the Xoom, beyond the wonderful feature additions and enhancements we have gotten with the limited HC.
Don't you think so?
From my understanding, Ice Cream Sandwich is an over haul for phones to bring out an honeycomb interface while allowing for tablet support as well and it will be more controlled by the king them self, Google.
What this means? All android devices will now be updated at the same time as it'll be more tightly integrated which means developers will need to start just making widgets for there own devices instead of a completely different interfaces like they do today. In a way, it'll be exactly what Honeycomb tablets are today (if you look at all the honeycomb tablets that's out, the interface is the same, only differences is that others will have widgets and/or wallpapers designed just for there tablets (i.e., samsung has the touchwiz) but can be upgraded all the same).
This is supposed to be more more uniform support and faster updates.
Will this go into effect right away? Probably not since the manufacturers will still need to make to update go through but we should also expect to see faster updates as well (there's still a lot of users out there still waiting on Gingerbread releases for there devices so with this making it more uniformed should allow for faster releases).
This is only from what I've heard, though.
This is from a PC World article this morning:
Although Google has kept its cards close to its vest about ICS, a number of things have been reported about it.
Widgets will be richer and resizable, as they are in the tablet version of Android.
More multitasking will be added to the system and the OS will be open source.
The system will be tailored to take advantage of devices that use the Texas Instrument's OMAP chip.
As with any Android upgrade, what Android devices will be eligible for the new system will remain with the manufacturers, but two good bets for the upgraded OS are the Samsung Nexus S and the Motorola Xoom.
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I think it is important to understand one thing about ICS. It is intended to reunify the OS on all device types (like iOS). What this means for tablet (and conversely smartphone) users is that app development will improve and we will get better apps. These apps will make it easier to share functions between your tablet and your smartphone.
We would have found out more next Tuesday, but the announcements for ICS have been postponed. The postponement was for a good reason though. We still don't know what the reschedule date will be, other than sometime this month.
Is it just me, or does it seem that the fragmentation of android has finally cost the android rom development community. Many phones have very little development while many developers are jumping ship the first chance they get to move to something like the Samsung nexus. This leaves many android users with limited options and the ability to see what this proud community can do.
There are phones out here that have unlocked bootloaders but yet they still receive very little development. I dont understand that as I've seen a lot of developers complain about locked bootloaders but yet when they move on to a new phone, they don't support some of the phones with an unlocked bootloader.
I understand as more androids hit the market that it will dilute rom development some, but it's grown into something similar to certain phones have developers gathering to them the way apple fanboys gather to iPhone. I'm disappointed in that as I always thought of android as being the anti apple.
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Care to give some examples? We're still seeing ROM releases for the G1, even.
The LG revolution is one example. Unlocked bootloader and not too much development.
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Guys please understand that this site was built in the believe that if you wanted something for your device then dig in and make it. Only developer you can relay on is the one on the other end of your keyboard.
The knowledge is out there. Don't relay on someone else do make something for your device. That will only lead to disappointment.
How do you think most of us got started?
People are only going to develop for devices they own, which means devices that they like and more often than not they are the same devices which are most popular over-all.
If dev support is what you want then choosing the device with the most support should be part of your decision making process when buying a new phone. If you buy one with little support it's on you!
lol idiots and android fragmentation. Stop speaking of it. Some ****er said something about android fragmentation and the noobs are talking about that without reading any articles, without searching themselves etc etc. There's no such thing. And just because the app drawer icon and the notification bar are placed in different placed on Tablets, doesn't mean the platform is fragmented.
Personally I would love to learn how to do something like porting my own roms onto devices, but of course I would have to be a skilled programmer. Just as a general question, how hard is it to create your own rom for a new device? Do have to do a lot of coding from scratch, or do you just sorta copy and paste a lot of stuff already out there?
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Personally I would love to learn how to do something like porting my own roms onto devices, but of course I would have to be a skilled programmer. Just as a general question, how hard is it to create your own rom for a new device? Do have to do a lot of coding from scratch, or do you just sorta copy and paste a lot of stuff already out there?
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I'd also like to know this. What would it take to port something like CM9 (something where the majority of the actually ROM is made by proper devs), and port it to something like the Razr dev edition (a device I know won't get any love from the community but should actually be relatively easy to develop on)? What would someone with zero coding experience actually be able to do if they had the phone, the sdk and access to CM's GitHub?
You would most likely start with CM7 and use your stock roms kernel, replacing the userland. By far the hardest part about doing a port is getting a kernel, once you have a kernel that boots the rest is mostly tweaking build props.
Simple solution. If development is that important to you, check out the forum for the device before purchase. And actually support the devs for your device.
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Konstantinos said:
lol idiots and android fragmentation. Stop speaking of it. Some ****er said something about android fragmentation and the noobs are talking about that without reading any articles, without searching themselves etc etc. There's no such thing. And just because the app drawer icon and the notification bar are placed in different placed on Tablets, doesn't mean the platform is fragmented.
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I believe CNET coined this in regards to Android. I saw an interview with one of the CNET "yackers" and Androids big cheese.
Konstantinos said:
lol idiots and android fragmentation. Stop speaking of it. Some ****er said something about android fragmentation and the noobs are talking about that without reading any articles, without searching themselves etc etc. There's no such thing. And just because the app drawer icon and the notification bar are placed in different placed on Tablets, doesn't mean the platform is fragmented.
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I certainly agree that "fragmentation" is used too often as a buzz-word to show the instability of Android OS. This use is really misleading. IMO fragmentation does exist in the Android OS, though, in that there are still iterations of Donut and Eclair in usable devices alongside Froyo, GB and the newer, each having it's own device/manufacturer -specific user interface as well.
Seems to me that they all do pretty much the same thing, tho. The Android core (Linux-based, right?) is the software foundation that allows the hardware drivers to work together to do the same thing device to device: make phone calls, access the internet, and play games. (Ok ... run apps)
Since the aOS core is fairly similar across devices, the bigger "fragmentation" comes from the hardware. As hardware changes, the driver support changes as well, and may become obsolete, therefore negating any upgrade options. So, if your device used a video chip from some Asian company that was destroyed in a typhoon, for example, you might never see another driver made, and also never see an upgrade to the next letter of Android.
Fits with what others have said: If you want to upgrade the OS later, either choose a very popular device, or at least one with very common parts.
Even then, there's no guarantee.
I was an iOS user for 3 years. I hacked the hell out of it. Now its been over a month I am a Galaxy Nexus user and I hack the hell out of it too, (still learning tho...) and I love it. Having said that, and having deep knowledge of both platforms, I DO believe that there is fragmentation in the Android platform.
The next step, is each one of us to think for himself what does he mean exactly by saying fragmentation. After we establish a common base, so that we all speak the same language we can continue.
My opinion is that not only there is fragmentation, but it comes in different fields. There is fragmentation in the Android versions still used, there is fragmentation in the UI,there is fragmentation in hardware, software and pretty much everywhere. Why today there are so many versions of Android apps that are still not compatible with ICS. Lazy developers? I dont know. What I do know is that if I was in iOS most of the Apps would got updated before the next version got released...
Anyway I really do not want to start a flame war. I absolutely love my Galaxy Nexus and I will continue to hack it. I also love Android 4.0. But saying whats wrong with what we like is the only way it will get better. By denying it it will only get worse. Is there a possibility I am wrong? Of course. But nevertheless, this is my opinion and I am expressing it.
My biggest gripe with Android is the inconsistency with the UI,which really degrades the experience compared to iOS. Since Google has no review process for apps I find that most Android apps are ugly compared to iOS and since the developers aren't forced to adhere to any UI guidelines there's zero consistency across the board. IMO Google really needs to be a little more evil when it comes to Android otherwise they will be in big trouble once WP7/8 gain traction,which is just a matter of time. I've used every mobile OS out there and to me Android has by far the worst user experience due to inconsistent performance,abysmal battery life and the aforementioned UI inconsistencies.
Fragmentation is exsistent. My little brother bought the LG Marquee as I told him, since the specs are similar to my galaxy S Epic 4G. Despite that, the release hasn't brought much attention since it wasn't well advertised and it paled in comparison to the Epic 4G touch being released. Even apps are fragmented, not over android version I.e. froYo, gingerbread. But over the phones themselves, since the LG marquee has a different GPU than my phone, many 3d games are similar incompatible, despite it being run by a 1ghz processor. And yes the resolution on both phones is the same. It's the only thing I don't like about android, apps take forever to update to support all platforms of hardware and software, while iOS is all the same across the board making updates faster and easier.
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i thought this was common sense
when i wanted to buy a new android i wanted a phone that had a big following in the community
first was the nexus line
then HTC
then samsung
i went with Samsung since it was the smoothest one out there
and then it became the the most popular phone on XDA
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lol idiots and android fragmentation. Stop speaking of it. Some ****er said something about android fragmentation and the noobs are talking about that without reading any articles, without searching themselves etc etc. There's no such thing. And just because the app drawer icon and the notification bar are placed in different placed on Tablets, doesn't mean the platform is fragmented.
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Word. Fragmentation isn't the problem... the problem is that every device needs a rom tailored specifically to it, and installing the wrong rom can brick your phone.
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fucxms said:
Care to give some examples? We're still seeing ROM releases for the G1, even.
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Skyrocket.
Sure, there are a few ROMs/devs there (seanzscreams is a phenomenal guy). Cyanogenmod? Nothing. MIUI? Nothing. ICS? Nothing. Any word on any of these being available on the Skyrocket? No, with the exception that Samsung will provide and ICS kernel for the Skyrocket eventually. Will there be any ICS ROMs developed for the Skyrocket then? Who knows.
Isn't that basically supporting the notion that Android is "fragmented" on some level, in some area? That you need to custom tailor roms individually to meet the needs of each device (due to drivers, hardware, whatever) under the encompassing umbrella that is Android. Is that not a form of fragmentation? Maybe one that doesn't bother you at all, which is understandable, but has certainly ruffled the feathers of other users?
Aside from that I agree with other elements of fragmentation that members have posted about here sso far. Frag in UI is one that particularly irks me the most.
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How can people say fragmentation is not a problem? Or worse, that it doesn't exist?
I suppose this is why Google is allowed to continue this charade of an open OS.
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I'm fairly new to Android and am curious, why is it only tablets that get Honeycomb? Is there something that different with it? I know some tablets run Gingerbread and ICS is meant to sort of fuse something between tablets and phones, why isn't that firmware available to phones? Or are there phones out there running Honeycomb which I don't know about? Sorry to be a "noob" but I'm curious.
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It's designed specifically for tablets. The resolution and layout is for a tablet not phone screen.
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It's designed specifically for tablets. The resolution and layout is for a tablet not phone screen.
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If they keep releasing phones like the Galaxy Note or bigger they might as well give it Honeycomb.
Firstly, Google intentionally built Gingerbread for phones while keep Honeycomb for tablets as the two have many differences.
Secondly, Google never release Honeycomb source codes (generic one).
Thirdly, since ICS is blending/mixing the 2 (phone/tablet - GB/HC), we phone focus on ICS and ignoring HC.
Hmm, why is this here rather than a tablet Q&A forum?
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I'm fairly new to Android and am curious, why is it only tablets that get Honeycomb? Is there something that different with it? I know some tablets run Gingerbread and ICS is meant to sort of fuse something between tablets and phones, why isn't that firmware available to phones? Or are there phones out there running Honeycomb which I don't know about? Sorry to be a "noob" but I'm curious.
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When Honeycomb was released, there weren't many powerful phones at the time that could handle all the new features it implemented, and the Gingerbread UI wasn't very appealing for the tablet interface.
Honeycomb offered more direct implementation with the hardware, such as video coding, audio routing, and 3D enhancement, whereas the phones at the time couldn't handle such features. When more powerful phones came out, Google decided it was time they combine Honeycomb and Gingerbread, and that's how Ice Cream Sandwich came about. It has all the implemented features of Honeycomb plus a UI suitable for both phones and tablets.
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Hmm, why is this here rather than a tablet Q&A forum?
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I don't have a tablet and don't follow any of their threads and was curious. Sorry.
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Honeycomb had a lot of tablet-specific hacks that made it unsuitable to phones. That's the claimed reason Google withheld HC source - they didn't want anyone shoehorning it into phones.
ICS is the merger of Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a unified build that supports tablets and phones.
That is because Android 3.x (Honeycomb) was designed only for tablets. That is what Android Ice Cream is for. In ICS, it combined the UI ideas from Honeycomb with the size of a normal phone.
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Hmm, why is this here rather than a tablet Q&A forum?
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And the thread title is useless, as well.
OK, who is brave enough to attempt to port the newly released Open WebOS 1.0 to our trusty MT4GS? :good:
http://www.openwebosproject.org/
This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.
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This can be done with minor issues The Qualcomm chip in our device is the same as the Touchpad.
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Exactly, and it uses a Linux kernel just like Android. A good dev should be able to work this as easily as one of the ICS roms.
I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.
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I love WebOS on my TouchPad, it's a really nicely thought out OS, with an intuitive UI. (Though I dual boot into CM9 most of the time.) I think my only real complaint is the app tray.
What I'd love to see is a way to run Android apps in WebOS. Like BlackBerry did with their Playbook for a while.
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OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.
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OpenWebOS can run some Android apps already, I believe.
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NO WAY!
That's awesome!
I have always wanted to use WebOs. I would LOVE to see this ported
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My take on this is that since the MT4GS is already a discontinued device, I would rather have the experts that like our phone pay attention to sustaining our support on the Android family of software. On some other devices, you get more developers that can spread the load, but ours is a bit more of a niche device with limited sales, so trying to spread the developer load across multiple OS's is even worse than the spread across sense vs. non-sense builds. There is only a limited amount of interest in developing for a device like ours, and I would rather them focus on a few paths that will result in the the most useful, supported builds. WebOS was a limited OS as it was, so as good as it may have been, it isn't what we will get any (limited) support to develop towards IMHO.