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I need a new smartphone, need help to find one.

Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!

award982 said:
Hey all!
Not long time ago i've bought myself a kaiser, not knowing the driver issues. This phone is wayyyy too slow for me and i am going to sell it. I want to get a new one, but i just read that htc still doesn't deliver the correct drivers as with the devices with 1gHz qualcomm snapdragon processors. My friend bought a HTC HD2 and its nice and crisp with 2d, all i've noticed it runs d3d apps very slow, just like my kaiser did. I also read that it has problems with opengl games stuttering and being slow. i did not understand, does the turbo3d fix the issue, or does it just make it slightly better?
So can anyone please offer me some phones to think about?
I would really like to get a winmo 6.5 phone like hd2 or hd mini, also i wouldn't mind android but no nokia's or iphones please.
What do you think about hd mini, hd2, touch pro2? and about wildfire,desire,hero and nexus one?
I want a fully working device, not like my underperforming kaiser, i want all drivers, everything.
THANKS!
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Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.

BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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nope i do not, i want to get non-branded

bump...anyone?

I had a kaiser for 4 years, then moved to the EVO on launch day. Couldn't be happier, phone is snappy as all hell, and haven't run into missing driver issues at all - the only thing HTC dropped the ball on with the EVO is capping the frame rate at 30 fps (which causes that stuttering), but if you're rooted, you can load a custom kernel that breaks the cap. Although I'm very familiar with the drivers that were missing from the kaiser, I haven't heard about any missing drivers on the EVO - care to provide a link?
Any of the galaxy s line of phones are good too - if you're coming from a kaiser, you may like the epic for the slide-out keyboard, bit they're all pretty much the same. These also have the top of the line performance for the 3d graphics that you mentioned. The 3d graphics on the EVO are pretty good (you only run into issues with some of the more demanding 3d games), but this is really where the galaxy s phones shine.
Unless you're really tied to wm6.5, I would stay away from it - it will be completely obsolete in just a few months when version 7 comes out. Unlike previous versions of wm, 7 won't be backwards compatible, so pretty soon there won't be any compatible apps for any wm6.5 devices. I would also say that any slowness or lagging that you saw on the hd2 was more than likely caused by wm, and not the chip. Give Android a shot - you won't be sorry. And stay away from the hero too, its not going to be upgraded anymire either - in fact you may want to stay away from any device without a 1ghz chip.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
Do you need a specific carrier?
I like my Captivate (Galaxy S phone for AT&T) but it has GPS issues, and AFAIK, all the Galaxy S phones do.
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The epic actually doesn't, and the gps issues on the other galaxy s phones are all supposed to be patched by the end of Sep.
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well i don't really like the looks of evo, what about desire? it runs droid 2.1, has a 1gHz processor, what do you think about it? What about hd2? i read somewhere that it has a 100% working port of android (1.6 i think, and i guess it will get an update to 2.2) also has a 1 gHz processor.
Anyways, i know hd2 supports multitouch, but i couldn't find anywhere if the desire does.
Now about galaxy S... i have bad memories about my samsung phones, its the only phone manufacturer i cant stand.
i guess its either hd2 (because i think its the best of the current models with wm) and some android model like desire or nexus one that has 1gHz processor.

i like the desire im actually thinking about picking one up real soon.

I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?

award982 said:
guess its hd2 or desire for me... any suggestions? is it worth buying a wm6.5 device even though wm7 is about to be released?
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It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be

Get a Galaxy S or a Nexus One, both amaaaaaaaaaaazing phones. Samsung got it right with the Galaxy S
And get away from Windows Mobile. I come from a Touch Pro 2 and it is a terrible, laggy OS. Android 2.1+ is where it's at
An HD2 (with Android running) or an Evo could be another option. The Desire is a slower phone than all of the other phones I've mentioned here.

freakzone said:
It's a bit hard, if you are used to winmo, you'll sure be irritated by the desire. Otherwise htc gave android some life, but expect difficulties. If you want winmo, you should probably wait for a mo7 device. I'm sure they will port it to the hd2 but it's not the same as the original device. That's why I got the desire. I will wait for several months after the mo7 launch and if it is any good I'll go for it. The desire is ok but it's just not what android fans claim it to be
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i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).

award982 said:
i can deal with android, i use linux on my pc so i don't think it will be a problem. Anyways, you think winmo7 will be ported to hd2? the thing is that it will probably locked down like that dam iphone, i want something that i can easily transfer music, videos and photos. Is it worth buying an hd2 and maybe use the port of android to it so i would still have winmo and android? i heard some builds are 100% compatible and working on hd2, like from nexus and desire, so maybe hd2 is a better option?
Though, i know that it has some weird problems with open gl. I know there is an app called turbo3d, can anyone tell me does it fix the problem completely or is it just something that makes it slightly better? if so, im getting an hd2. whaddayathink?
anyways i will round it up, i don't want a n1 phone, its either hd2 or desire becouse i like sense more than that stock bs that comes with n1 (i know there are ports of desire's rom to n1, but do they work just as good on the n1 as they do on the desire?).
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Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess

freakzone said:
Well I had a touch pro with the soft ported from diamond2/pro2/hd2, then I got a diamond2. It was twice as fast with the same software and they were both winmo6,5 and both the infamous msm7xxx chipset. If you have this in mind you will easily conclude that the android port on HD2 will be pretty much a joke.
The nexus one is a bad joke. I don't intend to discuss samsung at all. The google software which is on the desire is again a bad joke, for example the gmail app crashes on the stock rom. What makes the desire a nice phone is the htc software inside, which is borrowed from winmo.
Don't mistake android with linux. I used linux before win7 came out. From my perspective linux is you. You can make it do whatever the hell you want. It can look the way you want. Android has nothing to do with linux. I rooted mine and if you think you can edit xorg.conf (doesn't exist anyway) or make the trackpad do whatever you want or customise it in the way you did with kde/gnome and compiz, just forget about it. It is just something which borrowed the name linux.
I'm not sure about the mo7 port but there are some brilliant guys in the mo section therefore it is a possibility.
You will be able to transfer stuff easily on the desire. With the apps, you won't get many because there is not enough space (for 10+). Yeahh they will say about apps to sd but what, either you transfer half the app, or you partition the sdcard and then it gets corrupted in 2 days which is sad if you don't have backup.
At the end you might be slightly better off with the desire as we don't know what is going on with mo7 and by the time it arrives the hd2 will be obsolete. The desire is a recent model so it will be ok for a year I guess
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Maybe i should wait til wm7 is released, then maybe htc will release a new android phone that probably will have better software than n1 or desire, or maybe i will even buy something with wm7. OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BUY A FREAKING ASUS P535 that i used to have, witch worked without problems, all the apps worked fine, 3d was a blessing from the god itself. Damn the stupid qualcomm. I am actually very afraid of buying again from HTC. I had such high hopes for the kaiser when i bought it and i am afraid of buying some piece of **** again so im researching all the dirt i can find on the best smartphones.
Thanks freakzone for your time on helping me, i really appreciate it.
edit: i actually thought about customization of android like ubuntu. just imagine a 3d desktop cube on a tiny screen like that

No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it

freakzone said:
No cube here. The desire is quite fast, but I don't use 3d. Android is alright, I only installed several apps like file browser and satnav, it just is not the magic stuff everyone claims it to be. Why don't you go to a store and play with it for a while, thats what I do. If you like it get it
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i guess its either hd2 or desire for me, will go and play with those later today and see witch is better for me. I am so nostalgic about the good old times 2 years ago, having a p535 from asus was the best thing ever, it did everything i wanted it to do, it was fast and very rarely i had to restart it. I think i am going to get the hd2, even though i would like a hardware joypad but i think i can live with touch I'm just too sad that everything these days looks like a bloody iphone: nokias,htc's,samsungs, everything... i just can't stand it! i miss the good old days of wm with a square profiled pda with good, strong hw buttons and wm5

i had a samsung moment until it bricked when i tried to root it and now i got an htc hero love it

freakzone said:
I have a desire. It's alright but its not brilliant. I got it because the carrier didn't offer a hd2. Android is very, very, very irritating. If you think it's linux - beware, it has nothing to do with it. I flashed a dozen roms, radios, rooted it, partitioned sd card. It either kills the sdcard or gets a huge memory leak. And it is not working properly. It is just not a market grade mobile os. It's for kids, women and enthusiasts. On top of that the xda section which deals with the desire is not very friendly.
Htc is about productivity, they were never about 3d graphics.
I don't play games but I would suggest you get HD2 or desire. The other htc models you mentioned are much slower, or think about a samsung, I don't like them but I hear the graphics are better
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I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.

nexus5894 said:
I have no idea how you think Android isn't "market grade"
Especially with sense, it's the best thing out there. You can't think the nearly 8-year-old WinMo 6 is BETTER can you? The HD2 hardly has ANY games on it, Android has few. iPhone is the only really good mobile phone gaming platform, but I'm betting on Android catching up.
The best phone you can get is definitely a Nexus One. If not, get a Desire (or equivalent Incredible) or the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I agree with Android being market grade, but disagree with the general hate fir WinMo i've seen in this thread.WinMo is a dinosaur, but dinosaurs are still big and powerful creatures.
I personally don't like suggesting the N1 because of the problems i've heard of with the soft keys being hard to hit. And (not a very big deal) it only registers two points of contact iirc. My thing is if im going to pay money, i want the best, not something that is that limited.
I like the desire though. I wish more phones would have actual buttons. Between the Desire and the HD2, id get the Desire.
And i doubt the OP has issues with WinMo if he's been using it for years and us considering getting another WinMo phone.
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Anyone think there will be WP7 on the MT4G?

I have been eying the mytouch4G and the HD7 for a while now and what I really like about the HD7 is that it has Windows Phone 7 (which seems nice and it seems to have nice gaming support)...so I also noticed the MT4G has better specs, so I was wondering if I get the MT4G, I would like to put WP7 on it if possible...anyone think its possible or anyone workin on somethin like that already?...or is it a stupid idea? haha...let me know
-thanks!

Windows? Oh man, no way! I came from an HD2 and the HD7 looks so ugly. IMO
But the developers here just might do it.
myTouch4G (Glacier)

Windows mobile is closed sourced like Sense UI, they can't port it due to lack of drivers that would be needed to make the phone work. But that doesn't mean you can't put android on WP7 phones, you can put android on Iphone too.

Yeah, but he's saying he likes the mT4G specs.
Looking at the HD7 i think it's pretty sweet looking - more true to HTC's "usual"design vs the (previously lame & teeny) myTouch models, and similar to the HD2. I'm just glad the Glacier feels so solid or I'd be looking at the HD2 or keeping the Vibrant.
This isn't a WP7 discussion, but unless MS releases regular & beefy updates you're going to be stuck with the likes of orig Android or iOS 1.0 - it appears to be lacking quite a bit, but if MS keeps on it then it may have a chance. If you're that interested in WP7 then consider the HD7 and put Android on it to boot.
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HeavyComponent said:
Windows? Oh man, no way! I came from an HD2 and the HD7 looks so ugly. IMO
But the developers here just might do it.
myTouch4G (Glacier)
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I think you are referring to Windows Mobile....the HD7 does not have windows mobile like the HD2.. the HD7 has Windows Phone 7 (MS' new mobile operating system)...It looks pretty nice and smooth and is built upon specific specs which helps control quality and efficiency...also the gaming support its proclaiming is nice also as the MT4G has great specs (except the 'LCD' screen haha), but it does not have the gaming support for that level of hardware (at least not yet)...
S o my concern here would not so much be to put Android on the HD7 (which should be pretty easy considering the HD7 has basically the same hardware as the HD2), but my concern would be more of whether I could (or would be able to) put WP7 on the higher specc'd phone (the MT4G in this case)...but hearing that they use proprietary drivers makes me think it might not be as easy to put WP7 on the MT4G....

No!!!
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I'm just waiting for him to ask the same question a 3rd time so I can say no once again lol
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stoneyjonez said:
I'm just waiting for him to ask the same question a 3rd time so I can say no once again lol
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so..
will there be WP7 on the MT4G?
jp, hahah..sorry... I just figure that nothing is impossible, so while some may say no...some may still try but I now understand how difficult it may be and why some may say no...
I know that when WM was MS's mobile OS, I did not see any natively Android phones bothering to boot up WM, but since WP7 is seemingly such an improvement - I was thinking maybe the tables may turn...?
Thanks for all the responses though...interesting stuff..

Wp7 an improvement over Android...?
You should probably just return any and alll phones you have for an iPhone with that outlook....
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ESKIMOn00b said:
Wp7 an improvement over Android...?
You should probably just return any and alll phones you have for an iPhone with that outlook....
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you should probably just return all of your school supplies now and for the rest of your life for a decent education in reading...
the statement says that WP7 is an improvement over WM...
and that since Android was a nice alternative OS for WM, now maybe Android users might think that WP7 might be nice to try out on their phone (or somethin along those lines)...

well you will do what you like...
but i cant even imagine perfoming such an atrocity

ESKIMOn00b said:
well you will do what you like...
but i cant even imagine perfoming such an atrocity
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for 1 - XBL games!...?

In my case i'm torn because I am a dev. I love android OS and dev on it as a hobby but I am a .net / windows developer as a trade and its really much easier to dev in .net (Visual studio is 10x better than eclipse) than c++ or Java IMO so I too would like to have the ability to stay on my sweet android os, but boot over to dev when i need to. yes yes, i know i can do emus, but its not a substitute for running on actual hardware.

Considering that the myTouch hasn't even been rooted yet I would say putting any other operating system on it would be a helluva feat!

This turned into a spiffle... I am almost afraid to jump in, but.... I got to. I think the ability to put WP7 on the MT4G would be friggin sweet. Now, now... I know some of you think "Why would someone want to do that"? Because we do, ok?
Freedom of choice baby! It's a beautiful thing!
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Just searching around for some Home apps and stumbled across these win 7 launchers.
Windows Phone Android Lite - haven't tried yet...
7 Launcher - Running now.. a little slow but eeehhh.. it's ok.
Android Seven Lite - Not WP7, rather Windows 7 emulator. Looks decent...

Sorry to reopen such an old thread~
But heres a link to a stable WP7 rom for the mytouch4G, if anyone was still looking for it. Its very smooth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1398347

Skrillz said:
Sorry to reopen such an old thread~
But heres a link to a stable WP7 rom for the mytouch4G, if anyone was still looking for it. Its very smooth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1398347
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That's MIUI with a WP7 theme

If Microsoft went open source, the possibility of WP7 is slim since I assume you'd need to port the drivers to work.
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simply no.
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[Q] Best Smartphone

I am trying to decide on a new phone. The carrier is not an issue, I've had a rooted mytouch, a rooted nexus one, stock evo4g, and currently now have an epic 4g. Multimedia and apps are very important to me, the iphone4 looks good, but my current phone my be better. Am thinking about a windows phone but don't know anything about them. Any suggestions?

If you are looking to mod/play with your phone do not choose a winmo7 phone.. Not quite yet. It simply is what it is and they are so new the apps are not there yet. As far as apps the iPhone in sheer quantity has the most but Android is where the devs are turning to more and more. There are also a lot of apps on android that are not on an iPhone. The new Nexus S is an amazing fast device as I have been playing around with mine and the SAMOLED with its curves and anti smear screen IMO out plays the iPhone4s smaller not quite as bright seeming screen. I work at att and see the thing every day and still feel Samsung has really got the best screen (apps). Windows has done well with this new operating system but is still very new, Apple will be Apple, blackberry is great for non-Gmail email and Android will let people play with what they wanna play with. Depends totally what you plan on doing beyond media and apps

I say go for the HTC Leo. Great perfomance, great screen, and it runs WM 6.5, WM 6.5.x, Android, and soon hopefully WP7

frenkieh said:
I say go for the HTC Leo. Great perfomance, great screen, and it runs WM 6.5, WM 6.5.x, Android, and soon hopefully WP7
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Buying a device with the intent of running two officially unsupported OSs probably isn't the best idea...

Have a look on my signature link you can see what is member prefferences on the best device of 2010
Leo here

Nexus S.
10char

AdrianK said:
Buying a device with the intent of running two officially unsupported OSs probably isn't the best idea...
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If they work why not? He already rooted his old phone so I dont think he ios adverse to playing around and bringing out a phones true potential.

I would say the MyTouch 4G.
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The branded galaxy S phones have the best multimedia support but you already got one so...
Best apps however, go for an iPhone 4. Unfortunately, you can't have the best of both worlds.

samsung galaxy S

Blackberry 9700
Blackberry 9700 Bold.

If you like to experiment with different OS buy Leo and if you don't like it, soon you'll like

HTC of Iphone, anything else is a dissapointment

Well if you don't mind waiting this summer there are going to be a ton of dual core phones our for us to choose from.
Right now I'm rocking a Nexus 1 with 233; I'm going to wait a bit and see what comes out later and see what comes.
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Atrix 4G or Motorola Droid Bionic. Better than the iPhone 4 I am using

evo 3d looks great

You can post for opinions and help in the which should be my next phone thread.
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HTC- Quietly giving up on innovating.

Well, another day, another thread. Here I'd like to talk about HTC and their general lack of the ability to innovate that seems to have come with the release of the hd2. First of all, a little history. HTC's slogan is "quietly brilliant." a slogan that stood true to its name until recent times with devices such as the g1 with its chin that temporarily set a standard for android devices to the PPC 6xxx series which were still perhaps the best phones built for gaming aside from the cliq and its epic d-pad that should be on every phone with a slide out keyboard, all the way on to the hd2 which was an amazing device that could do so much. Its pretty much still a standard by which modders will always compare to other phones. It had a nice 4.3 inch display, nice build quality, a great processor for its time, and while it ran an OS that most had abandoned at that point I was more than happy to be able to play warspear again and emulate some Tekken 3 (before android had its ps1 emulators.) it was great, the problem is I think HTC has over-estimated just how great the device was as now they see fit to release that same exact device over and over with minute tweaks to the hardware and a new OS slapped on. Unless you consider the htc surround and its easy to bend kickstand with shoddy speakers or the g2s broken z hinge innovative then these days you're SOL with HTC. Its the same 4.x inches on a device with way too small a battery often given a power hungry OS to leave less fulfillment and a slightly better processor with each iteration. I'm not saying that HTC is the only company doing this but they used to be the big innovators. I just want to see some thought put into the cellphone market again because there's only so many times you can shove a new motor into the same old car and pass it off as something spectacular.

You're like a tech blogging project gone wrong.

You clearly don't know how devices work, or how to use paragraphs.
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I do apologize for my wall o' text, I am typing from a mobile device and while I do what I can to save face grammatically it's not imperative that I treat it like a thesis paper. I am however fully aware of how these devices work as well as the OSes themselves. I just miss the innovation that HTC once put into their devices.

Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.

pierrekid said:
Seriously...wtf. you have no idea what your talking about. Htc is amazing. From test springs to 3d fricken cameras they are always trying. You have way to much time on your hands buddy. Might wanna take up another hobby instead ranting like teenage girl. Sorry but xda is not your own personal diary...
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3d cameras were innovative... Yeah, then the 80s happened. Sure putting them on a phone is innovative enough but like most of what's come out recently it feels gimmicky at best. There's no call for petty insults, if you're looking for a forum for that sort of thing I might suggest 4chan.

I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.

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The attention whore is at it again to stir up the pot. Get a life.
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my opinion does not match that of the general consensus, oh joy, I get to watch a bunch of people go into rage mode and throw around insults I haven't heard in over a decade again. My favorite.

joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I'm certainly not stating that they'ree not quality devices. I'm often not find of the battery life of them but aside from that they're typically quite nice. I just feel that they lack the level of innovation that they had in the past.

If you haven't noticed already...not single person agrees with you. And my comments weren't insults... their facts. You are complaining like a little girl and using xda as a personal diary...apparently I'm not the only person who thinks so...
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I assume you've yet to learn the clear difference between fact and opinion. Ok, so no one wants to see HTC start innovating as they did before? That's intriguing that we discourage such things now.

HTC started innovating when they gave up on the windows platform and started making android flagships IMO
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joosix9 said:
I just bought the HTC Infuse and yes there are some things i could complain about such as the battery location, or speaker quality, but overall it is a great phone. This is my first HTC and i feel that they have some great features, especially some of the sense ones.
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I think you mean HTC Inspire
The Infuse is made by Samsung but somewhat similar.

All 1 of their android flagships that was just a souped up mytouch 3g with a bigger screen and better processor... Yeah, no thanks. Hardware-wise HTC was more innovative in their winmo offerings as painful as it is to realize.

No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.

He's hard to please.

Daeva said:
No, HTC is going strong.
HTC has a bright future ahead of them, they have also launched Htcdev.com now, giving us access to source code and their OpenSense SDK and able to unlock bootloaders.
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I know they are, doesn't change the fact that their hardware lacks the innovation that made them the mobile giants they are.

The latest devices? Not innovating? You serious sir?

Seems Like he means. That HD2 was the best phone at that time when it was releaed. It has no enemies. It was killer of all phones..
On latest HTC´s is most problem the Qualcomm Chipset. Mainly their GPU.. Evo 3D is great innovation due 3D Cameras and display. This one is very good.
I know what should help HTC on their innovations.
1. Changing Platform. Sorry Qualcomm.. I am using old MSM7201A.. (Yeah its slow.. But at the time it was great And crappy Intel Xscale 624MHz. Even using overclocked GPU at my kernel is really great.. Its better than locked Adreno 200 and above GPu´s)..
2. Getting proper GPU drivers (nice shiny and fast)
3. Unlocked Bootloader by default. (Not that web thing. That will void your warranty)
4. Sense as open source.. Not Sense SDK.. That will help devs to make Apps look like sense interface.
5. Creating Better Battery Life. WinMo devices hitted 2days +
6. Better quality/louder speaker .
And a lot more.. Just need to think

What's so special about the hd2

So I was wondering what is so special about the hd2 that it can run android, wm, wp7, ubuntu and meego. I love android, and but I would like to try out wp7
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yerand said:
So I was wondering what is so special about the hd2 that it can run android, wm, wp7, ubuntu and meego. I love android, and but I would like to try out wp7
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You listed the reasons why people like HD2, it's development it amazing and the phone is nice to use...And the Sensation or any Android won't be getting WP7, Winmo or any closed source projects. Publicly porting WP7 is illegal and Microsoft or whoever will send the dev a cease & desist letter or email. You are not allowed to port Windows ROMs to non windows phone(Android, iOS,etc).

Ace42 said:
You listed the reasons why people like HD2, it's development it amazing and the phone is nice to use...And the Sensation or any Android won't be getting WP7, Winmo or any closed source projects. Publicly porting WP7 is illegal and Microsoft or whoever will send the dev a cease & desist letter or email. You are not allowed to port Windows ROMs to non windows phone(Android, iOS,etc).
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So how did the HD2 get it, that is not running Windows Phone 7?

Joshhedge said:
So how did the HD2 get it, that is not running Windows Phone 7?
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Its a windows phone, by default it comes with Windows Mobile 6.5.
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Joshhedge said:
So how did the HD2 get it, that is not running Windows Phone 7?
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Chilled26 said:
Its a windows phone, by default it comes Windows Mobile 6.5.
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This...This one feature allows it to use any Microsoft ROM, any Linux relatives(Android, unbuntu,etc) are open so HD2 can use them. WebOS & iOS are two that we won't be ported to other phones.

Ace42 said:
This...This one feature allows it to use any Microsoft ROM, any Linux relatives(Android, unbuntu,etc) are open so HD2 can use them. WebOS & iOS are two that we won't be ported to other phones.
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Exactly, I always have my HD2 as my wp7 phone or backup phone .
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My sister has one, but she keeps it TMOUS stock. So boring, lol.
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Ace42 said:
You listed the reasons why people like HD2, it's development it amazing and the phone is nice to use...And the Sensation or any Android won't be getting WP7, Winmo or any closed source projects. Publicly porting WP7 is illegal and Microsoft or whoever will send the dev a cease & desist letter or email. You are not allowed to port Windows ROMs to non windows phone(Android, iOS,etc).
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So technically there is no hardware limitation stopping someone from porting wp7 to the sensation... just microsoft's lawyers? :/

yerand said:
So technically there is no hardware limitation stopping someone from porting wp7 to the sensation... just microsoft's lawyers? :/
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There is also the qhd screen, wp7 only supports 800x480.
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gonintendo said:
There is also the qhd screen, wp7 only supports 800x480.
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And it only currently supports only single core phone.
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My HD2 finally went out on me. The touchscreen no longer works.
I have never been so sad about a phone ever.
Don't know if I'll get it fixed.
It was an amazing phone.
I flashed so many roms with it.
It started all this craziness for me.
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What is so special about the HD2, is the ability to run so many dif roms/ports. It is a devs dream phone to work with. It is also very easy to flash rom/radios onto. It is so easy even I did it several times with mine, and I am really stup-it when it comes to stuff like that.
The phone has its quirks.. but overall it is a great phone. I had mine for 3 years before I sold it ($350. thats more then I paid for it new BTW) and never had a single problem with it. I would still have it if not for the Sensation.
It really is to bad that wp7 had to ruin the run/development of win op platform. There are so many possibilities still to be developed for it. Take a look at the HD2 forums and it is amazing what they have done and continue to do with that op system.

Ok then how about HTC Wizard? I have mine now...and the battery still keep alive about 4 hours...
Mine is Qtek branded - basically HTC's commercial brand in those times...
Remember that Wizard has started with WM5 and they put even wm6.5 on it...(to not mention wm6.0, and wm6.1). I dont think they managed to run WMP7 on it...
From my oppinion Wizard was a phone that will go in history with glory.
That cute slide keyboard...
Was to bad the absence of an internally GPS but paired with a Nokia LD-3W bluetooth GPS was perfect...

wolfee said:
What is so special about the HD2, is the ability to run so many dif roms/ports. It is a devs dream phone to work with. It is also very easy to flash rom/radios onto. It is so easy even I did it several times with mine, and I am really stup-it when it comes to stuff like that.
The phone has its quirks.. but overall it is a great phone. I had mine for 3 years before I sold it ($350. thats more then I paid for it new BTW) and never had a single problem with it. I would still have it if not for the Sensation.
It really is to bad that wp7 had to ruin the run/development of win op platform. There are so many possibilities still to be developed for it. Take a look at the HD2 forums and it is amazing what they have done and continue to do with that op system.
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Wow, I didn't realise it has maintained so much value... I should sell mine, after all it is a great phone.

lozonw said:
My HD2 finally went out on me. The touchscreen no longer works.
I have never been so sad about a phone ever.
Don't know if I'll get it fixed.
It was an amazing phone.
I flashed so many roms with it.
It started all this craziness for me.
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The exact same thing happened to my HD2 a couple of weeks ago. I believe it will cost me $100 to replace the digitalizer, but not sure if it's worth replacing as my back-up phone.

bubu782001 said:
Ok then how about HTC Wizard? I have mine now...and the battery still keep alive about 4 hours...
Mine is Qtek branded - basically HTC's commercial brand in those times...
Remember that Wizard has started with WM5 and they put even wm6.5 on it...(to not mention wm6.0, and wm6.1). I dont think they managed to run WMP7 on it...
From my oppinion Wizard was a phone that will go in history with glory.
That cute slide keyboard...
Was to bad the absence of an internally GPS but paired with a Nokia LD-3W bluetooth GPS was perfect...
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+1 for the HTC Wizard. Is was my first smartphone (T-Mobile MDA). The wizard is the OG gangsta of smartphone modding.
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I doubt that any device can top the hd2 in development at this point .. Winmo 6.5/6.5.3, wp7/7.5, ubuntu, android 2.1/2.2/2.3, win95, sense 2.0/2.1/3.0/3.5 and probably when ics source code released it will go on it too .. totally loved that phone
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I love my hd2's so much I have 2 as my "backup" phones I probably flash at least twice a week on them. The funny thing is of the 7 phones I've been through this year alone I can happily say the HD2 is the only phone that has never let me down and is still mine and my g/f's "go to" phone whenever our dailies take a crap or am awaiting to get a replacement or between phones....
I realize they are not pulling off some 4,000+ quadrant scores but at the same time none of my other phones have stayed intact or lasted as long as my HD2's have...I'm actually glad HTC provided all the crappy quirks such as sleep of death lcd, hardware button failures, short battery life and most importanly WinMo 6.5 and crappy initial firmwares as it only accelerated development for a means to Android on the HD2 Plus not to mention all the people that unknowingly sold their "bricked" hd2 for dirt cheap(as low as $75 in my neck of the woods on CL).
I hope my answer satisfies the OP.

Sorry guys, I am closing this thread as it does not belong to the SENSATION forum...