Anyone have a hands on comparison? Initial reports were that the viewing angles were comparable. Now that everyone seems to have gotten their 101s, opinion is the angles are better on the 101. Anyone here have pros/cons on the two?
xguntherc had a GTab, and now has a 101 - we were chatting earlier today on IRC about it.
The viewing angles are better, but it might be because they flipped the screen. So, when you put it on your desk, you can see it better than the GTab.
roebeet said:
xguntherc had a GTab, and now has a 101 - we were chatting earlier today on IRC about it.
The viewing angles are better, but it might be because they flipped the screen. So, when you put it on your desk, you can see it better than the GTab.
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dammit i never caught that, turn the gpad upside down and the dam thing looks great laying flat.. son of a.. Why the hell would they do that?
wlawyer said:
dammit i never caught that, turn the gpad upside down and the dam thing looks great laying flat.. son of a.. Why the hell would they do that?
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I never noticed as we have full 360/4 step rotation... I actually got used tp my ZT-180s with Button on top and cables coming out bottom as I usually had it plugged in to power and usb/adb... so out of habit that's how I've been holding the GTab except for some apps that refuse to rotate as well as launchers like LauncherPro and ADW... now turning the 'right' way up I can at least see what folks were talking about...
I was curious about this as well. I had been trying to decide between the two but broke down and ordered the G Tablet today. Hopefully I made the right decision.
Originally I heard the screens were the exact same model. Then everyone started getting their tabs on Archosfans.com and said the angles were better. Now that I know we can just turn it around if we need a greater angle.
Not to pile-on the Gtablet, but compared to the 101 8gb (not mine):
1. Display has better viewing angles and more touch responsive.
2. Lighter and comfortable to play accelerometer games with it.
3. Accelerometer works correctly (How Hard Is That Vs?)
4. Microsd seen in storage mode (HHITV?)
5. Microsd and USB drives hot-swappable (HHITV?)
6. USB harddrives (FAT32) actually work and also hot-swappable (HHITV?)
7. Uses 2.1 ATM, so no point in comparing performance. That said, Archos opted for basically an Android vanilla UI (HHITV?)
8. Droid X has 3630 and twice the ram, but is weak compared to the Gtablet for Flash, large CBR and PDF files and PSX gaming. Since the 101 has half the ram of the Droid X, my guess is the Archos 101 will be weaker than the Droid X for performance with 2.2.
Simple solution for me is in the future with the Archos "201" which has the Tegra 2 and 512mb ram Great chipset, but with MUCH better build and FW design effort.
Actually, Acer is apparently releasing a 10" Honeycomb tablet with Tegra 2 in early April.....
I initially chose the GTab over the 101 because it was released first. But, going on my experience with my 32, if I had to choose between the GTab/101 I would choose....
...the GTab. Reasons:
- Easy to root, easy to mod. The Archos, on the other hand, is locked down tight.
- APX mode is awesome. Virtually unbrickable.
- SEARS Outlet. One consumer's lack of knowledge is another one's gain.
- Hardware. Yes, the 101 has better support right now. But the Tegra 2 will eventually eat it for lunch. I think its just a matter of time. Flash, in particular, might be a big issue on a 256MB RAM device.
- Froyo. Archos will get to it eventually but they've already disappointed me with their release delays.
The GTab does have more than a few issues, which we all know. But other than the screen angles and h264 high profile support, these are potentially fixable.
Hardware wise, the Viewsonic beats the Archos. If you go to the official BenchmarkPhi website from the BenchmarkPhi app, you'll notice that there are at least two or three Viewsonic G-tablets in the top 10 fastest device list. I didn't see any Archos 101s. The Tegra 2 ARM chip can run is so powerful, we will soon be able to multi-boot Windows 7, Android, Linux, and even Mac OS X.
rushless said:
Not to pile-on the Gtablet, but compared to the 101 8gb (not mine):
1. Display has better viewing angles and more touch responsive.
2. Lighter and comfortable to play accelerometer games with it.
3. Accelerometer works correctly (How Hard Is That Vs?)
4. Microsd seen in storage mode (HHITV?)
5. Microsd and USB drives hot-swappable (HHITV?)
6. USB harddrives (FAT32) actually work and also hot-swappable (HHITV?)
7. Uses 2.1 ATM, so no point in comparing performance. That said, Archos opted for basically an Android vanilla UI (HHITV?)
8. Droid X has 3630 and twice the ram, but is weak compared to the Gtablet for Flash, large CBR and PDF files and PSX gaming. Since the 101 has half the ram of the Droid X, my guess is the Archos 101 will be weaker than the Droid X for performance with 2.2.
Simple solution for me is in the future with the Archos "201" which has the Tegra 2 and 512mb ram Great chipset, but with MUCH better build and FW design effort.
Actually, Acer is apparently releasing a 10" Honeycomb tablet with Tegra 2 in early April.....
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Agreed on all counts, but, for tinkers on the forums... most is all fixable.
roebeet said:
I initially chose the GTab over the 101 because it was released first. But, going on my experience with my 32, if I had to choose between the GTab/101 I would choose....
...the GTab. Reasons:
- Easy to root, easy to mod. The Archos, on the other hand, is locked down tight.
- APX mode is awesome. Virtually unbrickable.
- SEARS Outlet. One consumer's lack of knowledge is another one's gain.
- Hardware. Yes, the 101 has better support right now. But the Tegra 2 will eventually eat it for lunch. I think its just a matter of time. Flash, in particular, might be a big issue on a 256MB RAM device.
- Froyo. Archos will get to it eventually but they've already disappointed me with their release delays.
The GTab does have more than a few issues, which we all know. But other than the screen angles and h264 high profile support, these are potentially fixable.
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Yep, gotta go with Roebeet. nVidia's Tegra2 just puts the smackdown on other available tablets ATM. Plus I think that with flash 256MB of DRAM is going to get a bit cramped, and might offer some difficulties in attempts to upgrade the OS past 2.2.
Software and video playback on the Archos are better ATM, but that seems to me to be exactly what Archos pushes their tablets as: multi-media devices primarily that also happen to be able to function as a tablet. (Sort of like Nook Color, Pandigital Novel, etc. are setup as ereaders w/color screens that also have some extra functionality although in these cases they tend to come with more customized UI making them "look" more like a reader device while Archo left theirs looking like Android, and let's not even talk about TnT... too lengthy for me to go into here.)
Anyways, so far out of Augen Gentouch78, White Pandigital Novel, and gTablet, the gTablet is the ONLY one that I've felt that good about OOB. It is just plain faster and more responsive by FAR than the other two and this is with stock TnT 1.01... (yep, I'm still on stock ATM)
Having owned both the G-Tablet and Archos 101 and doing reviews for both of them at MyTabletLife.com out of the box the Archos 101 wins by far.
With the Archos you get a very capable fast device with the familiar Android interface. Yes with Android 2.1 you cant compare some things, but I think the Archos will only improve with 2.2. My Droid 1 with 256MB or RAM and 600Mhz does just fine with Adobe Flash etc,so I would have to think that the Archos 101 with 1Ghz will be very capable of handling it well.
Viewing angles are much better then the G-Tablet. Though not as good as Galaxy Tab by any means. Neither is the brightness or clarity of the screen.
The Archos 101 is incredibly thin and light which I very much enjoy. I however did like the solid feel of the G-Tablet. Both tablets are well built and I would give a slight edge to the G-Tablet.
Overall expandability and longevity obviously go to the G-Tablet. The development community has worked fast on the G-Tablet and I am unsure if the Archos will have this as Archos had made it difficult in the past.
Right now the G-Tablet is 399 and the Archos 101 8GB is 299,so there is a hundred dollar price difference. I think both devices will be somewhat out of date in just 6 months, so its all about what you want now.....
Thin,light,works great out of box with great media features...
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Powerful, needs to be tinkered with, good development..
CPG
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Thanks for your detailed report! I have had no experience with the Archos -- I can't find one! -- but I'm no surprised that it would be better OOB. But thanks to roebeet et al the g-tablet is now very useable.
One question about viewing angle:
cpg716 said:
Viewing angles are much better then the G-Tablet. Though not as good as Galaxy Tab by any means. Neither is the brightness or clarity of the screen.
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Have you tried to compare the screen of archos 101 with that of the g-tablet, with the latter **turned 180 degree** around (in landscape)? This was mentioned in one of the threads, and to my untrained eyes it makes a hugh difference -- not ipad good, but very useable. Have you tried that?
We still have the harsh reality that basic things that should work, do not on the Gtablet, but work smooth as butta' on the 101:
1. Accelerometer
2. Hotswap of microsd & USB thumbdrives & hard drives
3. Hard drives (fat23) do not appear to work with the Gtablet
4. Microsd not seen in USB storage mode (should be two logical drives- not just the internal).
5. Bluetooth input devices do not appear to work with TnT.
As far as bad things with the 101, not sure I agree with the 256mb ram not being a constraint (how would it not be?), unless you manage tasks with task manager to help out. Setting system apps to exclude and killing third party app should help.
The one issue that bugs me with the 101 is the soft buttons. They get in the way of apps and no practical way for devs to account for them. Either Archos comes up with a way for them to only pop up when needed, or apps will always be cut off and some soft button controls on some apps are not accessible.
case-sensitive said:
Thanks for your detailed report! I have had no experience with the Archos -- I can't find one! -- but I'm no surprised that it would be better OOB. But thanks to roebeet et al the g-tablet is now very useable.
One question about viewing angle:
Have you tried to compare the screen of archos 101 with that of the g-tablet, with the latter **turned 180 degree** around (in landscape)? This was mentioned in one of the threads, and to my untrained eyes it makes a hugh difference -- not ipad good, but very useable. Have you tried that?
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i've been doing this and there is a big difference. i was sitting in a fixed position at my chair with the g on my desk. just by spinning the g upside down then back around you can tell a major difference. i haven't been able to watch movies this way yet.
do you have a fix for the not rec the SD card and you tube playback
wlawyer said:
dammit i never caught that, turn the gpad upside down and the dam thing looks great laying flat.. son of a.. Why the hell would they do that?
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Wait......correct me if I m wrong, but your saying take the gtab apart, flip the screen, and we'll have better viewing angles??????
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Kov695 said:
Wait......correct me if I m wrong, but your saying take the gtab apart, flip the screen, and we'll have better viewing angles??????
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NO TAKING ANYTHING APART -- in landscape mode, just turn your g-tablet around so that the thinner bezel (the one with the camera) faces "down" (i.e. closer to your body).
It means a huge difference in terms of viewing angle. I claim no credit; I found out about this in a recent post but I don't remember where
The Poseidon Adventure move works- better angles. So let us see:
1. No hotswap
2. No USB storage for microsd
3. Accelerometer screwed up
4. LCD panel mounted upside down in relation to standard viewing angles.
Okeedokee
cutterjohn said:
Yep, gotta go with Roebeet. nVidia's Tegra2 just puts the smackdown on other available tablets ATM. Plus I think that with flash 256MB of DRAM is going to get a bit cramped, and might offer some difficulties in attempts to upgrade the OS past 2.2.
Software and video playback on the Archos are better ATM, but that seems to me to be exactly what Archos pushes their tablets as: multi-media devices primarily that also happen to be able to function as a tablet. (Sort of like Nook Color, Pandigital Novel, etc. are setup as ereaders w/color screens that also have some extra functionality although in these cases they tend to come with more customized UI making them "look" more like a reader device while Archo left theirs looking like Android, and let's not even talk about TnT... too lengthy for me to go into here.)
Anyways, so far out of Augen Gentouch78, White Pandigital Novel, and gTablet, the gTablet is the ONLY one that I've felt that good about OOB. It is just plain faster and more responsive by FAR than the other two and this is with stock TnT 1.01... (yep, I'm still on stock ATM)
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Jeepers! If you like the G now, update to TnT Lite 2.0, do the market fix and install the Nvidia patch, you will go into "like" over-drive.
The other issues are too much for me. At least as far as paying $400. get down to $300 and I can put up with more issues.... Assuming they get fixed at some point.
Want to buy another tablet. Passed on Xoom. Priced too high for buggy Honeycomb. KUDOS to roebeet for getting USB on the Xoom to work. Once our Gtab devs get Honeycomb bugs out on XOOM, Gtablet will have a Honeycomb platform.
Almost pulled the trigger on the Ipad2, but read about backlit LED bleeding around the edges. Do like the front and back camera and killer screen. Will hold off on Ipad2 purchase to see if any more hardware issues surface.
My Gtablet has stock 3318 stock with 3.14 enhancement and is quite stable and does everything I need to trade stocks and options, listen to music, watch videos, yahoo mail, Gmail, Facebook. Can't find any reason to change ROMs. If it ain't broken, why fix it.
Google says Froyo isn't optimized for tablets, but FROYO with DEV support on the Gtab is a clear winner and is better than the current Xoom with Honeycomb which still isn't optimized for tablets.
With my modified Solo case, my Gtab is very secure and it helps keep it at the right viewing angles 95% of the time.
Still looking for another tablet, mainly for the wife. Will wait to see what Samsung and other releases will be for the summer and their pricing. But the Gtab is still the dollar for dollar champ and a keeper. Bottom line it works as advertised FINALLY.
Totally agree with you abour value. See my lengthy post at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12064884&postcount=27 for thoughts on the Nook Color as a potential second tablet. Women tend to like the 7" form factor a lot, is all I would add to that.
I am also looking to buy another tablet (Gtab) maily because wife likes so much that I barely have my hands on it.
It is running 3589 i think... the latest stock rom and it running fine.
Personaly, i will change to other rom but she likes to have grocery list, contact list, calendar and etc.
Like you, can wait for honeycomb after devs working on it.
i love my xoom, but i feel like if it had a keyboard dock like the transformer and new galaxy tab, i would love it even more.
am i alone in my desire (excuse the pun, check sig ) for a kb dock? preferably one with a touch pad
imajin said:
i love my xoom, but i feel like if it had a keyboard dock like the transformer and new galaxy tab, i would love it even more.
am i alone in my desire (excuse the pun, check sig ) for a kb dock? preferably one with a touch pad
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Personally I think a keyboard dock is a bit silly. I love my tablet for being totally mobile. If I want a machine with a keyboard (even temporarily), I take one of my netbooks.
If you really need a physical a keyboard, get the Xoom dock and a bluetooth keyboard...mischief managed.
As for Moto or a third party releasing a keyboard dock....highly unlikely. I think the odds of Moto making one, as they are already focusing on recouping some of their losses from the Xoom with new tablets, are nil. A third party might if there was enough of a market for it...but there isn't, so I doubt anyone would.
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Personally I think a keyboard dock is a bit silly. I love my tablet for being totally mobile. If I want a machine with a keyboard (even temporarily), I take one of my netbooks.
If you really need a physical a keyboard, get the Xoom dock and a bluetooth keyboard...mischief managed.
As for Moto or a third party releasing a keyboard dock....highly unlikely. I think the odds of Moto making one, as they are already focusing on recouping some of their losses from the Xoom with new tablets, are nil. A third party might if there was enough of a market for it...but there isn't, so I doubt anyone would.
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i hear you, but wouldn't it be great to have the choice of, err, transforming your tablet into a netbook, instead of having to go out and buy one? i already have a big laptop so i really don't want to go out and buy a netbook. a keyboard dock would have done so nicely.
to be honest, the main reason why i want a dock is for those times when i rdp into my work computer while i'm in bed. i don't think the normal dock and bluetooth kb would work so well when i'm in bed...
you're probably right though, we'll probably never see a kb dock. but i'm seriously hoping that we're both wrong.
Yea, i agree on hoping to get a keyboard dock. It would be nice and easy rather than me having to carry the keyboard and the standard dock around if i go anywhere =P
(btw i like your name imajin )
I currently have an Acer A500 tab, and I mainly chose this for its usb slot(best thing ever created on a tab).
However, I am looking at getting the Asus Prime because I need the Tegra 3...NOW! lol.
I hope you guys can answer my questions.
How do you like your keyboard? I want the keyboard for the usb and super battery life, but It feels like the keyboard would be trouble when you dont want it, or you want to use your tab in portrait mode. Is it an inconvenience carrying around a keyboard for "just in case I need it" situations?
Also can you turn the tab around on the keyboard and fold it so the keys are touching the back of the tab? (I dont think so but thats why I am asking).
I love my Acer and I like the Asus. Amazing tabs with there own pros and cons. But I am very interested in the prime and and help would be appreciated.
I love this tablet. Have had this thing for four days now and I'm very happy with it. And i love the keyboard! I actually thought about not buying the keyboard but I am so happy I did. The extra battery is so great. Can go a long time without needing to charge. You can't turn the tablet around and shut it backwards against the keys. And I have no trouble keeping the tablet handy when im not using it. I definately suggest getting this, especially now that the Prime has the Tegra 3!
Do whatever you can to see the 1015PE and similar Eee PC netbooks by ASUS. Something that made it easier to buy in to the TF101, the keyboard is virtually the same as my netbook, which was just a smidge smaller than my laptop with fn/ctrl swapped. It's as good as you are going to get without a standard keyboard.
I carry mine in a backpack, otherwise my tablet is rarely longer than arms length away and the dock a room away at best. Thus when I'm out, the worst I can get is dealing with my pack
Nevver tried docking it that way but it is inconvienent to desire (or require) portrait mode with the dock. If you have a lame app like PayPal that goes Portrait Only, you pretty much can **** your head to the side or undock.
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