Hi Peeps
Whilst browsing the Android market recently, I came across various apps that can free up some memory by compressing lost wasted space left after uninstalling apps etc.... disk fragmentation etc...
I have an unrooted HTC Desire.
Are any of these type of apps any good? Do they work? Or is it just a load of hot air?
If they are of some benefit, can anyone recommend a solid one?
Thanks for reading, and for your help as always.
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Anyone got any thoughts?
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Can you share a link or a name or something like that? Never saw something like "defragmenting" on Android.
HTC desire by default has an ext3 partition I thought(I might be wrong, it's maybe YAFFS and I don't know anything about its fragmentation!), and ext3 don't really defragment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation
BTW, if it's an unrooted device, I don't think there's any chance something like that would work.
Will see if I can find one, i knew I should've written it down!
I did think being unrooted would rule it out though, so thanks for getting back to me
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Maybe not all features.
My internal sdcard came formatted as vfat, which does require defragmentation after too much use. And messing with sdcard contents doesn't require root. I'm not sure I would trust such an app, though - at least, not without a full backup and checking that it can't send data out to its servers.
Dodgylegs said:
Hi Peeps
Whilst browsing the Android market recently, I came across various apps that can free up some memory by compressing lost wasted space left after uninstalling apps etc.... disk fragmentation etc...
I have an unrooted HTC Desire.
Are any of these type of apps any good? Do they work? Or is it just a load of hot air?
If they are of some benefit, can anyone recommend a solid one?
Thanks for reading, and for your help as always.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Sounds like nonsense to me, apps by definition clean up after themselves, at least internally.. Some of them do leave data on the SD card either by design or by accident.
khaytsus said:
Sounds like nonsense to me, apps by definition clean up after themselves, at least internally.. Some of them do leave data on the SD card either by design or by accident.
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I agree with you. I think those people selling 'defragging' apps are just in it for the money, assuming they are paid apps.
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I only just learned today how you can move apps to the sd card. I stored almost all my programs on my tilt2 on the card, but I did not realize you could do that with this phone.
I don't, I use S2EXT and create a ext3 partition on the sd giving me moar storage space for apps. I ran into a lot of issues moving things to sd causing apps to act goofy.
I don't move any apps to my sd, and you really don't need to unless your going to have a hundred or so apps..
Zero. I'm a recovering apps2sd user.
I got tired of having to swap skins temporarily on the sense-based gb ROM I'm running, to get the icons for apps I've put in folders to show correctly.
Not to mention, they run faster.
SD cards are best for all that big stuff, like music, pics, vids, roms, etc.
The way I see it, If you have that many apps that would require spilling over to the SD card, some house cleaning is in order.
I don't install apps to SD card either. According to Titanium, I've got 90 apps installed. I've still got over 600 MB free of internal storage (using CM7). All of my big stuff is on SD card such as music and videos.
henrybravo said:
I don't install apps to SD card either. According to Titanium, I've got 90 apps installed. I've still got over 600 MB free of internal storage (using CM7). All of my big stuff is on SD card such as music and videos.
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Good lord, I hope those 90 aren't all user apps.
Something tells me they are....
Scott_S said:
Good lord, I hope those 90 aren't all user apps.
Something tells me they are....
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I have 96 user apps. 608MB free on my own custom Sense ROM.
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Scott_S said:
Good lord, I hope those 90 aren't all user apps.
Something tells me they are....
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Indeed they are. LOL
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Indeed they are. LOL
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You and id10terrordfw are nuts.
Next question is how many of those do you actually USE?
And you've succeeded in making me curious as to how many I have...
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48, with 906mb free. Sure seems like a lot.
That's probably because user apps doesn't necessarily mean ONLY apps intentionally downloaded to the phone that are not present in the base ROM or something, I guess.
Unless you are running out of memory which is virtually impossible for most its not necessary.
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You and id10terrordfw are nuts.
Next question is how many of those do you actually USE?
And you've succeeded in making me curious as to how many I have...
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48, with 906mb free. Sure seems like a lot.
That's probably because user apps doesn't necessarily mean ONLY apps intentionally downloaded to the phone that are not present in the base ROM or something, I guess.
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You got me curious so I scanned through my user app list. I actually use almost all of them, albeit some not as frequently as others. I guess I'm just an app junkie as a holdover from my iPhone days. Switching from iPhone to Android a couple of months ago was quite the expensive proposition app-wise. I've probably spent over $100 in the google and amazon markets combined. I'm one of those "gotta have the pay version" type of people, to support the devs and I hate ads in my apps.
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You got me curious so I scanned through my user app list. I actually use almost all of them, albeit some not as frequently as others. I guess I'm just an app junkie as a holdover from my iPhone days. Switching from iPhone to Android a couple of months ago was quite the expensive proposition app-wise. I've probably spent over $100 in the google and amazon markets combined. I'm one of those "gotta have the pay version" type of people, to support the devs and I hate ads in my apps.
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Luckily I had only bought a couple of apps for my blackberry. That os, at that time, just seemed too clunky... I knew there had to be, or at least would be in the future, something better... Enter Android.
Buying paid versions of the apps is just the right thing to do. Though I only consider buying a paid-version app that I've been able to at least test drive first by way of a free/ad supported version beforehand.
(Oh, and did I mention, donating to devs here on XDA is the right thing to do, as well. )
none here as well, i still have plenty of free space on the internal memory while my SD card is almost full, i've been actively deleted things i don't need off the card, so i'd imagine it would be THAT much more full.
None.
All my 70+ apps are on the internal memory, and none on SD.
I have an android phone n was wondering it I need this protecting to take space n battery of my phone. Does anyone thing It's truly necessary thanks
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Absolutely useless.
CorradoSud said:
Absolutely useless.
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Thank you I though so to since It's runs on Linux right
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Yes it runs linux but taking care on the battery and space is needed for good responsiveness from your mobile on multitasking.
I found the program alright, if not a little battery draining. But turning off the seemingly-hourly backups and just doing them manually every so often helped, and I managed to locate my phone in somebody's pocket at a party
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I have an android phone n was wondering it I need this protecting to take space n battery of my phone. Does anyone thing It's truly necessary thanks
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its better to be safe than sorry. there have been viruses that have spread on android phones (ex. droiddream)
the gps location and scream features are worth it.
Any antivirus isn't so worth using as an antivirus YET, but in a few months/years, they will be our saviours. See...right now there aren't many malware around that can harm you if you don't root your phone or download untrustworthy apps. But there will be soon, as for example a serious one called "Droiddream", discovered not so long ago.
(Can't post outside links yet, but just google "Droiddream" and you'll have a read at how bad viruses will get in not so long)
If you're careful with what you download on your phone, you should be fine. If you're constantly trying new apps and downloading various things you might want to at least have a slight peace of mind!
It's hard to be careful with what you download if the Android Market itself spreads malware. So yes, use an antivirus app just in case that trustworthy app from the market turns out not so trustworthy after all.
Hi, guys,
I just got fed up of the bloatware that is all over my DHD and decided to at least try to change the things around.
If you want, lend the petition a hand
change.org/petitions/htc-corporation-don-t-ship-preinstalled-non-removable-apps-on-android-phones-ex-facebook
Dafuq?
Have you tried searching for methods in removing it?
There are obviously ways of doing that including rooting and installing a ROM without them.
There should be an easier way to do that, and I'm with the op on this.
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Hi, guys,
I just got fed up of the bloatware that is all over my DHD and decided to at least try to change the things around.
If you want, lend the petition a hand
change.org/petitions/htc-corporation-don-t-ship-preinstalled-non-removable-apps-on-android-phones-ex-facebook
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Can you give a direct Link? Xda app ans so on...
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This can be done via a root and titanium backup/pro you can uninstall any system app or freeze it so it isnt in effect
Two Root Tools (My faves)
z4Root
GingerBreak
And App to remove or freeze
TitaniumBackup
The new Sony Xperia S permits the removal of default apps. Your money are the best 'petition'
Of course we can just root and do that, but the OP has a point. Rooting and all things related are fine for people who are interested, but normal people shouldn't have to bother with all that. When they buy a smartphone and expect it to work right, it should. If they see an app they don't feel like having in their phones, whether for memory reasons or app drawer clutter, they should be able to remove it by the regular uninstall method in a minute and move on to something else. Only a small percentage of of the number of phones sold till now are rooted. So the OP has a point, the manufacturers should stop bundling uninstallable crapware in their phones.
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Of course we can just root and do that, but the OP has a point. Rooting and all things related are fine for people who are interested, but normal people shouldn't have to bother with all that. When they buy a smartphone and expect it to work right, it should. If they see an app they don't feel like having in their phones, whether for memory reasons or app drawer clutter, they should be able to remove it by the regular uninstall method in a minute and move on to something else. Only a small percentage of of the number of phones sold till now are rooted. So the OP has a point, the manufacturers should stop bundling uninstallable crapware in their phones.
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Talk to the carriers. They are to blame for most of the bloatware apps. The OEM only add them because the carriers make them and in the end if they ask them to do it then they will add them.
the problem of rooting though is that you loose your warranty.
HTC rejected my defective DHD because of this reason
os2222 said:
the problem of rooting though is that you loose your warranty.
HTC rejected my defective DHD because of this reason
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You can just flash a return to stock package. That's what I do to make my phone look completely stock with no traces of root.
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While I'm all for some applications being removable, there are some reasons why they are not at the moment:
The Android OS has only two app classes: user and system.
System applications have elevated rights and cannot be removed by the user.
User applications run within the permission system and can be removed.
Before we can have removable pre-installed apps, we would need to have a third class of applications (core), which would distinguish between removable system apps and not removable system apps.
Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here
Anybody??
Removing the bloat will only free up space on your system partition, not /data where your downloaded apps are stored. I'm not sure if anyone has repartitioned the One S yet, though.
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It should be possible, though, I did it on my HTC Hero
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370963
Habarug said:
It should be possible, though, I did it on my HTC Hero
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370963
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Your HTC Hero prolly had S-OFF or a similar removal of protections in place. As of now, without S-OFF we cannot repartition, becaue we cannot write to locked areas of the NAND / NVRAM (whatever it is exactly...) and therefore we can't resize partitions.
Nope, no S-off
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the question is another: can we physically change the sd-card hosted inside the phone with another one of a bigger capacity? (32 / 64 gb like in the HTC Mozart)
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the question is another: can we physically change the sd-card hosted inside the phone with another one of a bigger capacity? (32 / 64 gb like in the HTC Mozart)
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That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)
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That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)
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Run some read/write speed tests, you'd be pretty lucky to get an SD card that could put up the numbers this phone does. It's a very tiny chance it's an SD card, but I refuse to give up hope until it's proven.
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me too, as I am getting up to 18mb read and I backup a lot, so it is welcome
I am converted to no sd card phones, as the memory here is fine for me--got dropbox/google drive etc if needed
If you have decent coverage in your area you can try google play. And I'm pretty sure you can download the music directly to your phone from it, if the area you'll be in is spotty.
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thebluecoat said:
Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here
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Does anybody actually read the specs before they buy something ? HTCs website says its 10gb user available storage and so does the back of the T-Mobile box it comes in !
KillaHurtz said:
Does anybody actually read the specs before they buy something ? HTCs website says its 10gb user available storage and so does the back of the T-Mobile box it comes in !
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Do you... He said he read the fourms and was aware of the 10gb user space.
I think he's asking if that can be changed.
And to answer that, without S-Off I don't think so.
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You definitely won't without s-off. Or, more likely an exploit like Blackrose which was developed for the N1. Where it simulates s-off to resize partitions. But, is not true s-off as related to the secure flag. I don't know if it is easy for dev to look at Blackrose in N1 sub-forum and carry that over to One S--
So were talking about this:
4 GB's for the OS, 1 GB for the system apps (after potential resize). Gaining only 1 GB for the User. Increasing the User avalible space to 11GB's.
That seems like a lot of work for only 1GB. Unless someone could trim the OS down by half. 13GB usable....hmmm!
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Another solution could be a usb host mode... Don´t know if that is possible?
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Just found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629134
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That's assuming its an actual SD Card, and not some memory soldered in place (most likely)
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Even so, we have some very talented solder techs here at work, if somebody can find a higher capacity direct replacement chip...
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Even so, we have some very talented solder techs here at work, if somebody can find a higher capacity direct replacement chip...
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Hi,
did anyone figured out which IC is used for storage?
Cheers
I read somewhere in one of these forums that someone did have success changing the sd card to a 32gb. And he even posted a video on how to open the device.
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thebluecoat said:
Hello All!
Just got HTC One S in the mail today, I was aware of the limited storage of the phone by reading the forums here, users said I should have around 10GB of "user" storage. Quite far from the advertised 16 haha!
I understand the ~2GB is dedicated to apps etc.
My question is:
Has anyone figured out how to repartition the storage in order to decrease app storage, and increase user storage? (maybe by a different rom etc?)
I personally wouldn't mind having 1GB of app space just to fit a few more albums of music (I love music on my phone)
I'm thinking even if I used nobloat to remove the t-mobile preloaded stuff, I would only increase the application storage (which does nothing for but increase just the application storage space?)
Somebody give me some help here
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I don't think that's going to be possible with out S-Off. Which as far as I know hasn't been achieved yet.
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I have just bought an ASUS TF300 and apps can't be moved. Reading online, people say its because ICS doesn't allow it - so what happens when the DS gets ICS?
Not true. Search the net. For example:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-vivid/163799-apps-sd-ics.html
And even if it was true - with 1.1GB of internal memory, why would anyone care? And why would anyone want to move the apps to SD even now?
At least in the versions i tried, there is no switch to allow it/do it automatically, but in the memory -settings there is a utility that 1 clean the cache, 2 move apps 2 sd/remove apps, and 3 remove older messages.
Seen and used on ice cream saga and ice-ds
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Jack_R1 said:
Not true. Search the net. For example:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-vivid/163799-apps-sd-ics.html
And even if it was true - with 1.1GB of internal memory, why would anyone care? And why would anyone want to move the apps to SD even now?
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To save space from the internal storage maybe?
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userdesires said:
To save space from the internal storage maybe?
HTC Desire S~Tapatalk 2
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Save space for what? For having unused internal space and having your apps load much slower and experiencing multiple bugs when mounting/unmounting SD card, like "disappearing" apps?
Having lots of empty (wasted) internal space, taking unnecessary space from SD card and making the system work worse than it can is a great and smart idea, right? Or maybe not. Just like having zillion MB of free RAM. What can you do with free RAM? You can't eat it, it doesn't generate money, and it doesn't do anything useful - just sits there, eating phone's electrical charge and not working. Or, in other word, being wasted.
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Save space for what? For having unused internal space and having your apps load much slower and experiencing multiple bugs when mounting/unmounting SD card, like "disappearing" apps?
Having lots of empty (wasted) internal space, taking unnecessary space from SD card and making the system work worse than it can is a great and smart idea, right? Or maybe not. Just like having zillion MB of free RAM. What can you do with free RAM? You can't eat it, it doesn't generate money, and it doesn't do anything useful - just sits there, eating phone's electrical charge and not working. Or, in other word, being wasted.
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Perhaps I am ignorant, but I understood the more free RAM the better, eg the faster. Not so?
It appears from the replies that there are clunky work arounds, but in essence, yes, in ICS there is no Apps to SD. I better hope I have less than 1GB of Apps then
al89nut said:
Perhaps I am ignorant, but I understood the more free RAM the better, eg the faster. Not so?
It appears from the replies that there are clunky work arounds, but in essence, yes, in ICS there is no Apps to SD. I better hope I have less than 1GB of Apps then
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This you understood wrong. Free ram is wasted ram.
And for apps2sd, of course it works in ICS. Some apps do that even without asking so I have to move them manually back to internal mem.
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Some apps do that even without asking so I have to move them manually back to internal mem.
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This is one of the most annoying things about apps2sd, in Gingerbread also. Even if I force the apps by setting pmInstallLocation to internal, those of them defined by their creator in Manifest as "prefer to SD" won't obey - and each update I have to move them back to internal. Very annoying.
The question is simple and the answer is simple too.
Apps in SD, running slow and buggy and after reboot, it might missing sometimes. The only advantage are, it saves internal storage and no need to install apps after reset. Correct me If I'm wrong.
Now close this thread for good.
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NOT TRUE AT ALL!
This is the Android 4.0.4&sense 3.6 for Desire S(OTA,HTC China).
Obviously,it supports move the apps to sdcard.
anazhd said:
The question is simple and the answer is simple too.
Apps in SD, running slow and buggy and after reboot, it might missing sometimes. The only advantage are, it saves internal storage and no need to install apps after reset. Correct me If I'm wrong.
Now close this thread for good.
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I agree, what a pointless thread!
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I agree, what a pointless thread!
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Thanks. When I have time I will hunt down the various threads from a year or so back saying what a good thing moving apps was and how beneficial it was to the phone's operation.
al89nut said:
Thanks. When I have time I will hunt down the various threads from a year or so back saying what a good thing moving apps was and how beneficial it was to the phone's operation.
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Yes, at wildfire, desire and such devices, because they had pretty small internal storage that got filled pretty fast. The ds has enough internal storage and if you're not using at least a class 6 sd it will slow the moved apps down, so my advice stay with internal you won't ever fill it except you install about 300 - 500 apps (depending how much games are included not using the sd).
Requested to be closed, because it's based on outdated informations.
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Tectas said:
Yes, at wildfire, desire and such devices, because they had pretty small internal storage that got filled pretty fast. The ds has enough internal storage and if you're not using at least a class 6 sd it will slow the moved apps down, so my advice stay with internal you won't ever fill it except you install about 300 - 500 apps (depending how much games are included not using the sd).
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I disagree; with many games now coming with 1.5gb of data needed this question is entirely relevant.
In fact on ics the move to sd function is disabled. Can provide a ss if needed. Samsung and a few other manufacturers have also confirmed this.
Just my 2pence.
very good job answering the OP's question all. games and apps nowadays are using around 50MB by default (i'm looking at you chrome, grabatron, and google play music), sometimes with additional space being used for on-device caching. at that rate, even with 2GB on-device storage, 20-40 solid modern apps could eat that up in no time, and i know that there are apps out there that take up more space than normal (webster's dictionary (300MB), friggin' MYST (700MB), etc). whats worse, google lifted the market restriction for apps all the way up to 4GB earlier this year. go ahead and try to imagine a 4GB app on 2GB of internal storage.
once you fill up internal storage, your phone will stop doing the things you like it to do, like download text messages, sync email, and keep apps up to date. apps on SD is a real need for some persons. apps2sd or link2sd are good options for apps that you don't use frequently or that don't require extreme speed to complete (like titanium backup, which runs on a schedule once a week in the middle of the night; i really don't care how long it takes to load).
and now the bad news. on some (perhaps most) ics devices (like the optimus 4x and galaxy s3), the ability to move apps to SD is just completely gone. any sd card app mover you install will tell you this and will refuse to do anything. this is because the ROM is configured to use the SD card as secondary storage (it's mounted at /mnt/sdcard/external_sd instead of /mnt/sdcard, and also perhaps formatted differently?).
grain of salt time. my phone has 1.4GB internal storage free. at what point do i start getting worried and consider moving apps to SD? i'd say 100MB is a good time to think about alternative storage, or cleaning out old apps. but, that's just me. i'm not a huge storage user, but do consider the possibility that someone will want that feature.
Ics not supporting moving applications to external sd card
al89nut said:
i have just bought an asus tf300 and apps can't be moved. Reading online, people say its because ics doesn't allow it - so what happens when the ds gets ics?
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idiot google has removed the feature apps2sd from ics and upwards versions.
big apps (games) are automatically installed on sd card