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Funny title huh Seriously though, I am tired of the hit and miss of live wallpapers, and other apps working or not working on my beloved Hero, that being said what I have desperately been trying to do is learn Java(a live wallpaper not sticking when all my others do is what started this, it's dumb I know) so I can start programming things to work for our phone(or at least try). I have spent 2 days looking for a good way to learn Java, I have been all over the net hunting for an interactive Java tutorial and have come up empty handed, I found a couple PDFs as well as some online tutorials but they don't explain everything(it seems like they all assume you already know some Java or programming), I am a total beginner and need it all explained, preferably with hands on. I am a fast learner when things are explained and taught properly, I think I could excel at this, so I figure this community is the best place to ask for advice on how and where to proceed, so come on guys help me out what is the best way for a total beginner to proceed, how did you all start, where did you go for help? Again, I am only asking here because I really have spent 2 days looking for a proper tutorial and come up empty handed...THANKS!!
Oh, I can skype if some saintly person feels like teaching.
edit:this is what started my obsession http://www.mediafire.com/?jiynwdnmc1z out of the 6 I have this is the only one that wont stick, so I figured why not try to re-build it my self after comparing it to the ones that do stick(it does run perfectly, just wont stick)
Well if you are a total newbie to programming my best advice is goto your local book store or half-price books(used book store) and find a book on java programing probly too first one would be java progamming for dummies and the second one a more adavaced book go though both of them do the lesson in there and learn by doing best way to do it and then check out the froyo thread for the irc room and if you get stuck ask someone in there oh on here your direct question if you do your homework and give a detialed description of what your working on more people are going to try and help you but this is just my two cents and the extend of my attempt at advice good luck and hope to see your name on an op soon
Wow, I gotta say, I do like that lwp a lot man. Thanks for posting the link to it Good luck on learning Java man. It's not too hard, but once you start scripting with it etc... that's a whole different story, lol
It's good to see someone wants to stop putting up with stuff not working and make it work Honestly, I'd just go to your local library, and check out a bunch of stuff on Java... that's what I did with Python
It's going to take a lot of reading and trial and error to learn java. But a little heads up, the live wallpapers that don't stick, is a driver issue, not a programming issue. I don't know enough about android, so unless there is a line you can add to the header to force software rendering, you can't do much about it.
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Thanks for the responses guys! I really didn't think of grabbing a Dummies book, I figured there would be a good course online, but that's what I'm going to get first thing tomorrow. I figure once I get familiar with it all(maybe a week or two) I will compare the ones that work with the one that doesn't and go from there. I think the first app I would like to work on would be a request from the forum, you guys all help and give back, I think that would be a great way to put the knowledge to good use Well, thanks again, I'm still open to more suggestions, maybe a couple weeks from now I can at least give you guys a neat wallpaper!
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Thanks for the responses guys! I really didn't think of grabbing a Dummies book, I figured there would be a good course online, but that's what I'm going to get first thing tomorrow. I figure once I get familiar with it all(maybe a week or two) I will compare the ones that work with the one that doesn't and go from there. I think the first app I would like to work on would be a request from the forum, you guys all help and give back, I think that would be a great way to put the knowledge to good use Well, thanks again, I'm still open to more suggestions, maybe a couple weeks from now I can at least give you guys a neat wallpaper!
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**** my bad. Not sure I can do that here. Check your pm
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but the wallpaper you are working on is a pirated upload of a paid LWP in the market. The original author of the LWP would probably be happy to help paid customers get it working.
I'm all for you learning how to code up some cool stuff for the community, and I wish you the best, but stealing other people's stuff isn't the way to go.
hmm, was not intentionally "stealing" I paid for it, the developers response is " LWP's don't work on hero, sorry" so I thought I would try to make it work for me, I'm pretty sure if I could provide a way for hero users to use it they would all gladly pay the $1 as I did, as it stands I "pirated", yet another, unusable app, hey hero users come get your free, unusable, paid app
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hmm, was not intentionally "stealing" I paid for it, the developers response is " LWP's don't work on hero, sorry" so I thought I would try to make it work for me, I'm pretty sure if I could provide a way for hero users to use it they would all gladly pay the $1 as I did, as it stands I "pirated", yet another, unusable app, hey hero users come get your free, unusable, paid app
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That's cool...your OP links to a mediafire download for a paid app, so I didn't realize you knew it was paid. It's lame that the guy won't fix it, but I guess those of us slumming it on the hero have to get used to doing things ourselves, eh? Good luck to you...it is a cool LWP.
That wallpaper sticks just fine on my hero. Running Aloysius 2.1 maps version.
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Well if you are a total newbie to programming my best advice is goto your local book store or half-price books(used book store) and find a book on java programing probly too first one would be java progamming for dummies and the second one a more adavaced book go though both of them do the lesson in there and learn by doing best way to do it and then check out the froyo thread for the irc room and if you get stuck ask someone in there oh on here your direct question if you do your homework and give a detialed description of what your working on more people are going to try and help you but this is just my two cents and the extend of my attempt at advice good luck and hope to see your name on an op soon
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Last I checked, this whole site is pirated. If you think about it. It's basically a whole guide on how to hack phones and get free apps. So why are you even putting it out there that the guy is pirating. LOL. Doesn't make any sence but I thought I'de throw that in there.
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Last I checked, this whole site is pirated. If you think about it. It's basically a whole guide on how to hack phones and get free apps. So why are you even putting it out there that the guy is pirating. LOL. Doesn't make any sence but I thought I'de throw that in there.
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Get out. Now. Seriously.
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Last I checked, this whole site is pirated. If you think about it. It's basically a whole guide on how to hack phones and get free apps. So why are you even putting it out there that the guy is pirating. LOL. Doesn't make any sence but I thought I'de throw that in there.
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wow, I seriously apologize for all of this, all I wanted to do was give back to our community, I have been taking for a year plus & thought it was time to step it up a notch, I did not want to start fights, sorry, if any mods want me to take it down I will.(oh,I really paid for it, that's my mediafire account,after it didn't work I pulled it off my phone to try and work with it.) I'm getting my books now, if I get stuck I hope I can post my questions, thanks again guys!
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First off theycallmegq. This site does not promote pirating anything. Read the forum rules posted by binary. Who might just ban you if your not careful.
That being said. I would highly recommend the for dummies set of books for starters. Thats what im doing with linux and programming. Also there is a book specifically on the android platform and development at the book stores as well. Last i checked in the computer at barnes and noble i think it was they were coming out with a new one i think had to do with java and android. There was also a post in here a while back about learning development after you have an understanding of the basics at least. Might want to search for that after a couple of weeks. Good luck with your adventure. Im sure the creator of the lwp wouldnt mind you helping make it better.
I think the poster used an unfortunate choice of words. If this was a site concerning iphone OS development it definately would be considered hacking. Modifying Apple OS in anyway is a NO NO! It was hard for me "At first" to get past the "Openess" of Android. Thats why we sould be screaming anytime we see E-fuses in phones (Motorola) or No sideloading of Apps (AT&T). I for one am thankful to be able to have source code to work with and a group such as this one to help out. My little hero is thankful too ... Without you guys I would have an EVO by now...
As far as Java Programming, do a search on "Java Tutorial". Theres a lot at your finger tips.
Try:
www.javapassion.com
just recently changed to a subscription based site, but first few chapters of each class are free to try and learn, even have an android class strarting at the end of the month.
That LWP works fine for me too.
I know that there are A LOT of books and sites out there for learning java for use in android situations.
I wish to know what some of the best are so that I might purchase them and read them through.
What are your favorites and why?
Whats the best one for the pricing (value for the buck)?
What ones should I stay away from?
To be honest I learned everything I know from searching Google and YouTube. Just get the feel for it before you spend money. I would love to give advise if you need it.
Tommy
Loosid Lyfe Development
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To be honest I learned everything I know from searching Google and YouTube. Just get the feel for it before you spend money. I would love to give advise if you need it.
Tommy
Loosid Lyfe Development
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Cool, As your opinion/advice to a noob in the field, where would you suggest I start off at?
I think I learn better in doing than reading up on it, Thats how it was with webdesign, it was easier to learn while doing than to learn then do.
If that has any influence on where I should start please do let me know
I have learned Java too but now i don't work about it/.
http://www.youtube.com/user/CornboyzAndroid
The guys name is Travis. He made 36 videos.. good stuff. Like I said feel free to email me if you need to.
[email protected]
Enjoy, everyone! This is meant to be a free-for-all of awesomeness.
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
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Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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I know you devs, & also the ones that port the roms work hard, & do your best to provide stable roms for all to enjoy. You do it basically for free and I would hope people like me, that use them, would simply say thank you. I will be honest, & let you all know that I am currently laid off from my job, and I can barely provide for my wife & son, therefore I have not been able to donate any money to help keep yalls moral up, but I hope that in the near future I can. But at the very least, I can say thank you for all you do. I have fun reading & learning from u guys, & as far as the people that complain...I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you, because there are A LOT more satisfied people than there are complaints!
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this and then the thread will get locked, but guess what? I don't care.
I have noticed that there are a lot of Dev's and others posting things here that they do for no other reason than to share. Sure a lot of people want recognition, but at the end of the day no one makes money off of this. That's what the Play Store is for.
I'm sure a lot of people would agree that it is very sad that you can't go through many release threads without somebody getting mad at someone else, and worse, getting mad at the guy/gal who spent hours making something which they then shared for FREE.
I'm not going to sit here and spew the same crap about how people should get along and all that; you have parents for that. I will simply say, "thank you" to all of the developers, modders, themers and anyone else who made an honest attempt to contribute. Before you get frustrated and down, remember that for every person who makes a fuss and angers you to the point of violence, there are at least 50 other users who appreciate your efforts. Thank you for contributing to the community.
Let the flaming commence!
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Amen
Ahhhh! The joys of life
We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free
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We all love to enjoy the work of others as if it were our own. It seems that as we use it ,we believe that it actually is ours {in my mind. Therefore to criticize is warranted and fair. [in my mind of course]. So don"t allow others to get to you. Developers do hard yet rewarding labor with mistakes , goofs, knowledge, and joys- provided that we who enjoy the fruits of their labor appreciate labor is involved and dissapointment is evident to them and us when problems arise. True joy is achieved when constructive comments lead to further development as well as real progress. If all were fired for goofs on the job all nations would be on the dole [if govts could afford it with no tax base]. Love your neighbor as yourself, especially in this case when he's working for free
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Agreed. Constructive critism should always be welcome. The key word, though, is contsructive.
Thank you for you input.
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Agree 100%. People act like they deserve ROMs, themes, mods, ect. You don't. The ROM makers do this for enjoyment. I'm 14 and have a ton of work to do and of course there's school drama. I use Android to get away from all of it. It feels good. Then people reprimand us about how the ROM sucks. It is not cool. I hope this forum gets ynder control fast.
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YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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YOU'RE 14???? Damn bro I respect you immensely.
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Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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Yeah not many people know that. That's why I can't get an update out immediately. Got school aand stuff anyway thank you for the respect.
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I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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I just wonder how you do it. I tried to learn c++ not too long ago but took a break cuz its so hard. Considering Java is about the same difficulty level and that you're able to make and port roms, you got a lot of perseverance and dedication.
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Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.
True dat
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Well thank you again listen. To get into developing for Android, you gotta read a lot and ask questions. I did that, and look where I am so I think you should keep going. PM me with questions if you want. Good luck!
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I totally feel you man I'm 15 and am on the drumline. But I spend all my free time on here always learning something new. Thanks for the input and inspiration.
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Resurrected!
saranhai said:
but most importantly, before all of that, you gotta make the commitment. you can't just decide one day to develop and back down the next day. it doesn't work that way. if you're going to develop, you gotta stick with it till the very end.
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oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.
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oh im on that boat right now, it is difficult to begin into this whole development thing, i've been doing a lot of reading, coding samples on piece of paper, researching the forums for question that im sure were asked but most importantly as Saranhai said is the commitment, im down 100% to learn on my free time not only that but i do try, i really try hard to make this whole thing pay, i can modify apks, i already started creating themes for the theme engine in CM, my next step is theming a whole rom then after that i will learn how to compile from source, port and ultimately my goal is on the launcher, i would love to come up with a different UI as everyone else does at one point.
Sometimes people does not recognize the time you invest as a developer, i don't consider myself a developer as i do fairly basic things, probably my big mistake so far is not asking for help mainly because im afraid of rejection, i asked for help in the past (not on XDA but on another forum) and the dev just got his enjoyment to call me noob, rookie or every single word that is out there to just call me a novice after that i just decided to do not ask any questions and just learn by myself, yeah i have questions about many things and probably is better when someone with experience tells you what to do in case of errors but nothing like your own sacrifice.
i really hope this community gets better, as in any forum you will find people that is down to criticize your work in a good way so you can improve and then there are the a**holes who think you have to fix whatever error they have just because you have to.......Me? if you want an honest and constructive criticism i will tell you what's wrong and probably i wont tell you how to fix it as im fairly new into android development but i can do that, i can try your work and tell you whats wrong with it.
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Wow. Well, people are a little nicer around here, and you can always PM someone. But, like you said, if you learn on your own it's even better.
I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
Teach yourself and get advice is the best way.
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I hate when I take a dump and there's no toilet paper...just saying.
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I did that the other day. My wife keeps the extra rolls in the hallway, so I had to do the ****e shuffle out to the hallway cabinet. Suuuucks.
This is my first app so bare with me. This is an app for my blog about my struggles with combat PTSD and alcoholism. It is a free app. I am trying to get the word out about Soldiers and the struggles they return home too face. Just because they are home does not mean they are not still fighting a battle. Please check it out and give me feedback. I have been a member here for a while and have learned so much from this site so I figured I would post it on here. I did use a app creator site to design it but I am currently trying to learn to develop it from scratch. Thank you!
PlayStore Link
http://tinyurl.com/ckkxs7x
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anyone?
Anyone here with an interest? No Soldiers here? I just need some feedback. I know I took the easy way with the app builder but I plan on learning sdk and eclipse. ADHD kills me when I try to learn lol
We've all had our turn in the barrel brother stay strong. Counseling and therapy helps trust me.. Once you get past the pride and seek help you will get much further and get past your demons. Trust me I did.
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Never been a soldier, not yet at least, but fully support your efforts. PTSD in vets is not really fully understood by the majority of civilians and there definitely need to be more positive outlets for those struggling. I would suggest perhaps also focusing on the families of vets suffering PTSD, addiction, etc. A strong support system clearly can help a lot and helping the family members understand it more might also be useful. In terms of just the app itself, you can tell its young but as you said you're learning so that's not a big deal. Just wanted to say keep up the good work and I appreciate everything you soldiers have done and continue to do.
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Thank you. While the blog is my struggles I have a facebook page with my wife that will be used to help everyone who is effected.
Nice to see an app with a good cause!
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Thanks
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Need a developer
My ability to concentrate is horrible so I am pretty sure its going to take me years to even make the simplest of apps from scratch. Plus I am a active duty Drill Sergeant so I have very little time. I wish Google wouldn't have quit supporting app inventor. Is anyone interested in helping me develop this app from the bottom up? There would be no profit. Any money made from ads or anything would go into a account I plan to establish once I can get registered as a non profit. I will be making nothing from this nor would whoever helped me. This app is purely for raising awareness and hopefully eventually raising money to go towards Veteran groups. If someone would want to help out please let me know. Thank you for considering.
Where you a DS at? I'm sure you can find some geek to put on CQ with you and help. I mean geek as a term of endearment since I was a 31/25 series.
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Hi painandpleasure, I'm not a vet, but most of my family was, but none saw combat. Regardless, I just want to give you a HUGE THANKS for your service and sacrifice. You are the real heroes. Good luck with the app, even if it helps one person, it'll have been worth the effort.
In terms of learning to develop, much of it is just trial and error. You have to be willing to try something and let it all go if it doesn't work. Start by mapping out what you're trying to do, then search for examples you can reference and go from there. I know it's not earth shattering advice, but its something that's worked well for me. There's also a specific developers only section on XDA, maybe post there if you need help.
Best of luck and God bless,
Tovo
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Hi painandpleasure, I'm not a vet, but most of my family was, but none saw combat. Regardless, I just want to give you a HUGE THANKS for your service and sacrifice. You are the real heroes. Good luck with the app, even if it helps one person, it'll have been worth the effort.
In terms of learning to develop, much of it is just trial and error. You have to be willing to try something and let it all go if it doesn't work. Start by mapping out what you're trying to do, then search for examples you can reference and go from there. I know it's not earth shattering advice, but its something that's worked well for me. There's also a specific developers only section on XDA, maybe post there if you need help.
Best of luck and God bless,
Tovo
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Thank you. Eventually I'll probably learn. I found out mit is supporting app developer so I'm gonna start there then import it to eclipse.
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I had an idea for a game last night, but i have no experience making game applications, or any type of application for phones. I'm really looking for someone that knows how to code to maybe bring my idea to light, i feel somewhat confident that my idea is somewhat original in the sense that i don't think I've seen a game of it's type on the play store. I don't want to give any specifics about the game on here to keep my idea my own for purposes of future advances, if i can find someone capable, and willing to be a partner in this goal i have. please send me a PM on here if you feel capable of maybe dabbling in such a project, and we can possibly discuss further the goals i have for this game.
Bump, It's a pretty good idea! lol
Its hard to find a person that'll take up such a request. Its possible but I reckon, the best way you can make your idea into reality is by doing it yourself.
I have had many ideas, and I barely knew any coding languages. So I sat at my desk and researched and asked for help with coding. And guess what? I made my ideas into something that can be used. Like the launcher I wished to create.
Give it a go, you'll benefit from it.
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Its hard to find a person that'll take up such a request. Its possible but I reckon, the best way you can make your idea into reality is by doing it yourself.
I have had many ideas, and I barely knew any coding languages. So I sat at my desk and researched and asked for help with coding. And guess what? I made my ideas into something that can be used. Like the launcher I wished to create.
Give it a go, you'll benefit from it.
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I think if i can find someone willing to take on such a request, i might be interested in getting a kick starter going, i'm still working on the layout of what the game is going to be, i have a lot of ideas for the game, it's just selecting and weeding out what i want and don't need.
Sounds like something interesting. I am not that great with game development so I can't help you out here.
Hopefully someone takes up the step to help you out. Sounds interesting.
Good luck
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krishneelg3 said:
Sounds like something interesting. I am not that great with game development so I can't help you out here.
Hopefully someone takes up the step to help you out. Sounds interesting.
Good luck
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Thank you man, i think i'm going to give your launcher a try it looks nice, and i like google now/search, but if i get my project going, ill let you test out what i got if you would like.